Warhammer 40,000

The current Spawn models are a bit meh but I remember when you had to convert your own Spawn out of metal models. Then came the old metal Chaos◊ Spawn models◊ that were better.

Honestly, I'd leave off Shapeshifter Swan Song for the Chaos Spawn, but everything else seems solid.

Got my copy of The Warmaster special edition. It's pretty cool.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele

On the Spawn tropes no that I have had time to look through them. Most of them seem to be good but I wouldn't include Who Wants to Live Forever? as most of the information I have read on them indicates that they don't last long and those that do (such as Foulspawn, and Fantasy's Scalya, are special characters).

From what I could tell through a bit of googling, Giant Chaos Spawn (i.e. the ones that do exhibit this longevity) come from a sourcebook titled Imperial Armour Index: Forces of Chaos, page 55 specifically. Does anyone have a copy of said book?

You expect a mere physical representation to be able to capture the Eldritch Abomination-ness of a Chaos Spawn?

It seems like the perfect fit for how a Chaos Spawn is constantly shapeshifting without rhyme or reason against their will.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

"The swan song is a metaphorical phrase for a final gesture, effort, or performance given just before death or retirement."

I mean, given that becoming a chaos spawn is a bad end for followers who weren't able to become Daemon Princes, you might be able to argue that the chaos spawn itself is a swan song for the poor sap it used to be, but that feels like a stretch.

They're told absolutely nothing about the Fallen and deliberately stuck in the most dangerous roles by the DA IIRC.

Ah the Forge World ones, you didn't make that clear in the example I will have to see if I can find some of my old Imperial Armour books. I would say they count as abnormal, even by Chaos Spawn standards. I would still say that Spawn of any type wouldn't count as Who Wants to Live Forever? as that trope is about regretting immortality and regret requires some form of rational thought, something Spawn have a little trouble with.

This is what the leaks/previews I have seen seem to indicate yes. In addition the Dark Angels Primaris have actually been told by Guilliman to specifically find out what is going on with the Chapter due to his meeting with Cypher.

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Anyway time for 2nd Edition Thursday. This will probably be the last one until the new year unfortunately due to time constraints.

For today’s 2nd Edition Thursday: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith.

Uriah Jacobus used to cost 115 points and had stats of M4 WS6 BS6 S4 T5 W3 I6 A3 Ld10 and was equipped with carapace armour, a shotgun (Short range 0-4"; Long Range 4-18" at -1 to hit. Choice of firing solid shot - S4, D1, D6+4 Vehicle Armour Penetration, Special: Infantry models, except Terminators, hit are knocked back 2" and knocked over on a D6 roll of 4+ Knocked over models had to spend the next turn standing up. - or Scatter Shot S3, D1, D6+3 Vehicle Armour Penetration, Special: 1" radius blast), a chainsword and frag & krak grenades. Uriah also had the a Rosarius, the Litanies of Faith & the Banner of Sanctity.

Rosarius: Awarded to those of great faith, a Rosarius is the shield of the Emperor and contains a conversion field generator. A conversion field gaves the bearer an additional save of 4, 5 or 5 on a D6. This was an extra save that was always taken before an armour save and was not subject to saving throw modifiers. A successful save caused a blinding flash of light with a radius equal to the strength of the attack in inches. Any models within this area that had no eye protection would be blinded on a roll of 4, 5 or 6 on a D6 until the beginning of their next turn. While blinded, models couldn’t move or shoot, and fought in hand-to-hand combat with a WS of 1.

Litanies of Faith: It may take a single Adept the whole of his life to write out a scroll containing the Litanies of Faith. The bearer can choose certain hymnals and chants to inspire their followers to greater feats of faith. A character who led a squad in the Sacred Rites (see below) with the Litanies of Faith rolled 2 dice and chose which result to apply.

Banner of Sanctity: The Banner of Sanctity was woven by the daughters of King Ellesan of Solstice from the finest threads. Foes who see the banner are filled with awe and dread. Friendly troops following the banner will fight their utmost for the honour of the Emperor. Any unit within 12” of the Banner could roll 3 dice for their Leadership tests and choose the lowest 2. Any unit led by a character bearing the Banner of Sanctity could ignore close combat fumbles^note rolls of a 1 that gave the opponent bonuses in combat and count any 6’s they roll as a critical hit^note giving them +1 to their combat score, not just the second and subsequent 6’s.

If he led the army then Uriah had a strategy rating^note used to work out who had the first turn of 3.

For special rules, Uriah had the Sacred Rites and Steadfast rules.

Sacred Rites: Uriah could lead a squad in a Sacred Rite before the battle began by rolling on the following chart to see what bonus the squad gained: 1 – No effect; 2 – The squad is immune to Fear and Terror; 3 – The squad has the Frenzy rule; 4 – The squad gains +1 Leadership; 5 – The squad has the hatred rule for the enemy; 6 – Every model in the squad has a 4+ save against psychic powers; 7 – The squad automatically passes all psychology and Break tests. As a Missionary Mighty Hero Uriah’s squad had +1 to the D6 roll.

Steadfast: Immune to Psychology and Break tests. He also never fled for any reason so if he was with a unit that ran then he remained where he was.

edited 14th Dec '17 12:07:12 AM by SebastianGray

I have the Forge World Chaos book if you needed something from it?

As do I but it only includes the rules not the background. I will have to see if I can find my older Forge World books.

I am guessing the line in question is (from the 40K wikii):

But as I said, the fact that Spawn of all sizes are mindless disqualifies it from the trope in question.

EDIT: Found it in the 7th Edition Imperial Armour: Apocalypse book^note page 75 to be exact. The line I quoted above is there, as is the fact that the Giant Chaos Spawn is a "mindless sub-human horror" so I would say it cannot count as Who Wants to Live Forever? which, I believe, requires the character to suffer their immortality

edited 14th Dec '17 8:48:11 AM by SebastianGray

A World Eater that became obsessed with getting the highest, greatest kill-count ever, thinking a little too much about it, and adding ever, greater more extravagant skulls to his collection. He perfected his fighting style, but was unable to meet his own ever growing standards. In time, he finds he enjoys the act of killing more than the deaths itself, the sensation of grind flesh as he cleaves through hapless victims.

An Emperor's Children swordsman that once sought to perfect his skill but eventually found himself striking peak to his abilities. Now he cares only for the application of those skills, of the endless slaughter as indulges his bloodlust with no other care. He can barely feel his sword biting their flesh anymore, he only enjoy the fields of carnage around him afterwards.

A Thousand Son's sorcerer upon a pilgrimage to understand the great mysteries of Chaos and the universe. In time, he comes to understand far too much. He sees the endless cycle of pointless struggle, trapped within the spinning machinations of uncaring gods. He stumbles with despair and wishes there was some greater power that actually cared for him.

A Death Guard plague doctor that set upon the task to create greater and deadlier diseases. Twisting were his thoughts and imagination as he concocted virulent agents of ever growing complexity. He dared to hope that he would make the disease that would end them all. Little did he notice that his concoctions began to resemble mutagens more than anything else.

And the fickle Chaos gods laugh at their stupid henchmen's disappointment.

And Malal who is totally murder everyone onces he get out the retconium...any moment now!

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Praise the Omnissiah! Our idol Techpriestess Megane sings!

Todays Forge World release is a Lucis-Alpha Pattern Warlord Titan bundle that allows you to get one for £143 less than usual.

I really like that paint scheme. It's too bad they're so bloody expensive, I wouldn't mind tackling one but that much money would get me a nice new laptop.

Totally agree. Despite how much I love the models I would only ever get one if I won the lottery.

• is going to inherit over 12k in April, part of him really wants to burn some of it on a Warlord

on the Chaos Spawn point, I'd also thrown in More Teeth than the Osmond Family, unless that is already there

advancing the front into TV Tropes

Wow, did 40k just get a Vocaloid?

Is a techpriest singing about love heresy?

edited 15th Dec '17 8:02:20 AM by Rotpar

They're more mantelpieces than anything though. Not gonna see much play, but hey, for the hobbyist side it's great.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

oh I know, my shop has an unofficial "anyone who tries to play a Warlord Titan WILL be beaten around the head with said Titan" rule

advancing the front into TV Tropes

I doubt that'll be really necessary, they're 6k points as of Chapter Approved. I did the math for funsies and it turns out a Farseer, a minimum unit of Banshees and about 2500 points of Warlocks can one-round it in melee. Or just those same points in Genestealers.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

News on the Sly Marbo release◊

He will apparently get a proper release some time in 2018 however.

I guess I could just switch out for Involuntary Shapeshifter until someone actually makes a trope for "constant involuntary shapeshifting between one moment and the next", then.

No, you're talking about an character who feels that their immortality is Blessed with Suck. Who Wants to Live Forever? is strictly about how immortality (either generally or a specific form thereof) sucks so much within the bounds of a given setting that it counts as a Fate Worse than Death. A character whose immortality has driven them so insane they're no longer capable of forming any rational thoughts (and thus technically unable to feel regret over their immortality) still counts as Who Wants to Live Forever?.

The word "mindless" is often used to mean "incapable of rational and/or higher-level thought" rather than literally having no mind. The former usage is what appears to be the case with Chaos Spawn, given that when left to their own devices, they pretty much act like animals... albeit hyper-aggressive, omni-malevolent animals that don't really need to eat.

That should be a general trait for Daemons... and I'm surprised it's not already there in the character sheet. <adds appropiate entry>

@God of Awesome: Black Crusade kinda makes this canon, in fact. The Tome of Excess splat says that Slaanesh draws power even from followers of other Chaos Gods, as long as they feel the appropiate emotion/sensation. A Khornate warrior who takes pride in the martial skills that he works hard to perfect, for example.

@Techpriestess Idol Megane: We need more cute techpriestesses.

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Updated the trope list for Chaos Spawn. Any further feedback?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Is one of the reason other gods like khrone hate slaanesh....not that khrone need any reason to hate actually.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"