Warhammer 40,000

Just curious. Personally I would recommend Terminators, they are far more fluffy for Iron Warriors.

Yeah.

Plus, they have that super good deal with the Terminator Lords Cadre. 60 bucks for 5 Terminators and a Terminator Lord? And those normally cost 50 and 25? Sold.

Those are the deals I like. Not he Formation ones where it's just "all the formation, no value at all". Like, come on GW. You could at least make the Helldrake Terror Pack have one at 25% off

edited 4th Apr '17 12:48:43 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Yeah, Games Workshop can be a bit hit and miss with their bundles. Some of them are very good, while others aren't any different to buying the stuff individually.

Yeah, like the only reason I'd be buying the Chaos Rhino by itself now is because I have a squad of 10 Chaos Marines without a transport, as the Start Collecting: Chaos Space Marines doesn't have one.

The Chaos Space Marine Desolator squad though? 55 for 10 Chaos Marines and a Chaos Rhino? Fuck yes.

My only problem is that the Havocs are 40 for 5 and they're all resin. Whyyyyyyyyy

edited 4th Apr '17 2:15:27 PM by BlackSunNocturne

And that's why the real Havoc squad is called a "Devastator Squad and a bunch of leftover bitz".

Yeah. The only issue is like, you can only get the Chaos Heavy weapons in the Havoc kit.

Come on GW. Update the frigging Havocs and make them plastic.

Chaos tanks come with a little sprue that you use to replace the barrel on a heavy bolter, lascannon, or missile launcher to make it more chaotic. About the only thing it's actually missing is the autocannon.

Fair point. But like, it's mildly annoying is all.

In other news: One of the people at my FLGS brought in his bitz box and I got some more Chaos Marine bitz. And a few Servo Skulls with a big IV on their foreheads.

edited 5th Apr '17 10:50:14 PM by BlackSunNocturne

For today's 2nd Edition Thursday, an Ork unit that has barely been mentioned since that time: Madboyz

Madboyz were Orks who, due to a fault in the gene that creates Oddboyz, were even crazier than your average Ork with minds full of distractions that drive them insane. A player could only have a single mob of between 5 and 30 Madboyz in their army at a cost of 10 points each. Madboyz had the basic profile of an Ork M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T4 W1 I2 A1 Ld7 and were equipped with bolt pistols, an axe, frag stikkbombz and flak armour. For wargear options, any Madboy could replace their bolt pistol with a bolter for 1 point per model while any model could take additional Assault Weapons^note  Chainsword (2 points); Power Axe (7 points); Power Sword (6 points); Sword or Axe (1 point); Autopistol (1 point); Bolt Pistol (2 points); Hand Flamer (6 points); Plasma Pistol (4 points) and Stikkbombz^note Krak (3 points) or Melta (5 points).

Madboyz also follow the following special rules:

Madmob: Madboyz always fought as a single mob on their own and couldn’t benefit from Leadership bonuses from Ork characters. The only exception to this is that, due to being unconsciously drawn towards them, Madboyz can use the Leadership of a Weirdboy Warphead if they were within 2” of them.

Mad: Madboyz were extremely unpredictable, their minds swirling with strange ideas or sudden moments of enthusiasm. They also tend to act as a single group; if one Madboy thinks he lost his boot for example, the entire mob would become obsessed with finding it. To represent this the mob had to roll on the following Madboy Chart at the start of the battle:

1. Fear – The Madboyz fear every enemy unit^note  1- A unit charged by a Fear causing unit had to take a Leadership test. If the test was failed then the unit had to flee if they were outnumbered by the fear causing unit or fight at half WS if not outnumbered; 2 - Models wanting to charge a Fear causing model had to test and if they failed then they couldn't move but could fire as normal; 3 - At the end of a close combat phase where a unit is fighting a Fear causing unit then they must take a Break test even if they wouldn't normally have done so ; 2. Stupidity – The Madboyz must test for Stupidity at the start of each of their turns^note If failed Stupid models: 1-Must roll a D6 in close combat with a result of 1-3 meaning they cannot attack; 2-Roll a D6 every movement phase with a 1-3 meaning they move randomly while a 4-6 meaning they don’t move at all; 3-They cannot shoot; 3. Hatred – The Madboyz hate every enemy unit^note 1-Have a Leadership of 10; 2-Re-roll attack dice in the first turn of hand-to-hand combat; 3-Have to follow up into another enemy model if possible after winning a combat; 4. Frenzy – The Madboyz are subjected to frenzy^note 1-Must charge if possible; 2-Double their Attack characteristic; 3Cannot parry in close combat; 4- Have to follow up into another enemy model if possible after winning a combat; 5-Immune to all other psychology; 5. Immune to Psychology – The Madboyz are immune to all psychological effects and automatically pass any and all Leadership based tests; 6. Crazy – The Madboyz become totally crazed, becoming Immune to Psychology as in result 5 as well as gaining +1 to a random characteristic (1=M, 2=WS, 3=BS 4=S, 5=T, 6=A).

At the start of each subsequent turn the Ork player had to roll a D6 with a result of 1-5 meaning that nothing happens but a result of a 6 resulting in the Madboyz changing their minds and the player had to roll on the Madboy Chart again.

been hearing some disturbing rumblings about the new 8e rules.... mostly that assault is going to get massive buffs (e.g. Space Marines being able to assault out of drops on turn 1!!!!), templates are gonna go and be replaced with random wound allocation... I just hope these ain't true....

This reminds me, these fiery-eyed orks in Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine, that do a ton of melee damage, I could never identify. Were they actually madboyz?

Could be, I've not played the game so I don't know. This is what the (1st Edition) Madboy models looked like◊

Miniwargamer Jay talked about some of the changes he heard about at Adepticon.

I haven't had a chance to look at but these are the latest rumors I have seen, one of which has been debunked from an apparently reliable source.

Wait, so Orks have Madboyz, Weirdboyz, and Oddboyz?

Oddboyz is the collective term for the Ork specialists (Meks; Painboyz; Weirdboyz; Brewboyz; etc.) Weirdboyz are the Ork psykers with Warpheads being the Weirdboy equivalent of Big Meks, Bad Docs etc. Madboyz are what happens when the gene that creates these specialists is damaged.

edited 6th Apr '17 7:41:26 AM by SebastianGray

I've heard so many mutually incompatible rumours about 8th edition rules at this point that I've just stopped paying attention to them. We'll know when we know.

Same here.

Also, so I have a question: Has anyone here ever used gloss primer as a primer? 'cause I accidentally bought gloss black spray primer and already used some of it thinking it was flat black, so now I can't really return it I mean, I can paint over it with regular black paint, but...

edited 6th Apr '17 12:57:08 PM by BlackSunNocturne

have you used it and do you still have a receipt? cos you could just get a refund

Used it already. That's how I found out it was gloss black.

As to the receipt, I don't have it. I could likely just ask the store owner about it, as he's cool with that. Plus, he knew I was meaning to buy flat black instead of gloss black.^note The cans are exactly the same look and right next to each other, and the words saying what type of primer is really small

Question? How xenophobic was the emperor pre-heresy?

He felt it was more important to eradicate all xenos instead of informing his sons about the actual dangers.

Hell, Eldrad even warned Fulgrim about the dangers of Chaos, and Fulgrim was like "nah, dad said don't trust the xenos".

From what I understood, Empy badly misunderstood how the setting's Gods Need Prayer Badly works, and thought simply erasing all knowledge of Chaos would destroy it.

The flaw in that plan was that Chaos feeds on emotions, not just conscious worship.

About that. She Who Thirsts aside (and that's a really big one), the Eldar never actually seem to be in any danger of falling to Chaos? They're that good at anti-corruption?

Either that, or he was pretending to be so ignorant specifically because of the inevitable outcome of such a path... because it really is the least bad option possible to him.

More or less, yes. It helps that unlike the Imperium, every Eldar is thoroughly taught about the nature of Chaos and the dangers of dealing with it in any other way than unconditional enmity. The Harlequins at the very least regularly make performances on the topic everywhere they go in the Eldar diaspora (Craftworlds, Exodite worlds, even the Dark Eldar know better than to touch them), though the ones about Slaanesh require the participation of Solitaires to play the role of She Who Thirsts.

edited 7th Apr '17 5:08:15 AM by MarqFJA