Code Geass

So I saw Shin Hyuga claim that Suzaku wanted "hell and suffering" like him. What sort of implication does this leave?

I mean, Shin Hyuga is a chaos loving lunatic, at least from what I saw of him so far.

Is this a Call-Forward to his activities as Knight of Zero or could this refer to more...

@lavendermintrose:

Well, I'm sorry I don't agree with you. While I do agree that Lelouch deserved some karmic punishment, I think that what was done about it was nonsensical and stupid. And I still think people like Ohgi, Villetta and Cornelia didn't get what they deserved. Especially Villetta, whom I see as a selfish woman who sides with whoever is more convenient to her at the moment. I will even say that I am disappointed she got a happy ending, and if I am missing the point of the show, well... tough.

Well what good would it do to kill her or Cornelia. It would spark hate and likely ruin Lelouch's game. I still think the truth should come out and not be the focus of the world since it would be no different than the end of Watchmen.

At this point, it would do no good. That's why I wish it wouldn't have to come to the point where we are forced to let them become Karma Houdini. I am the sort of person who thinks people should reap what they have sown.

(top of page) it says that Shin really is the warped person everyone wants Lelouch and Suzaku to be, and he projects his own stuff onto everyone else. See his confrontation with Leila in episode 4. Also Suzaku almost killing Lelouch and then being horrified about it in episode 5. Because he doesn't want to be like Shin.

As for the karma issue, it's an issue of philosophy in general, but I just think it's a sad sort of life and a sad world when you're always trying to punish someone instead of forgiving them. Which is why I like shows like this, where everyone can be happy together, forgive each other, and allow each other to change and grow. That's what peace is.

Your philosophy is completely alien to me, and the peace you speak of is a false peace. I think forgiveness is a great thing... but I also think that it cannot be given. It must be EARNED. Those who do wrong must repent, understand that they did wrong, and sincerely change their ways before they can be forgiven. That's why I cannot and won't like shows like this, Naruto or A Certain Magical Index. I am more comfortable with, say. Cross Ange in which everyone gets what they deserve and bad people aren't mgically forgiven in the end

edited 17th Feb '16 3:17:10 PM by JG98

Your entire statement makes no sense in the context of Code Geass anyway.

I would imagine Naruto would despise Lelouch's idea of world peace.

edited 17th Feb '16 7:49:59 PM by Mizerous

Yeah I think the issue most people took with Suzaku during the show's run was his insistence that he had the moral high ground.

Yeah, the perplexing thing about Villetta is she never really has a Heel Realization or Heel–Face Turn. She only sides with the B Ks after they make the decision to try and kill Lelouch and make a deal with Britannia.

Like to the very least, as harsh as I am on Ohgi, he did have reasonable build up to be disillusioned by Zero. Villetta though was a straight up Karma Houdini.

edited 26th Feb '16 9:18:05 AM by Lionheart0

Cornelia also really didn't have a Heel–Face Turn even if she did lose her sister. Then again I guess the ending just got rid of any loose-ends besides the many it created funny enough. I guess like Kallen the other Japanese moved on from hating Britannians and vice-versa.

edited 26th Feb '16 10:41:45 AM by Mizerous

In case someone wants to know, there's an ongoing manga translation project for Code Geass: Oz the Reflection. I think it's a decent spin-off with a fairly likable group of Britannian characters. It should be worth checking out for those who felt that sort of angle wasn't explored enough during the TV series.

I'd say Cornelia actually had a relative but logical change of heart, in that she stopped caring so much about defending Britannian supremacy and became more interested in clearing the name of her sister. She was technically fighting, albeit unintentionally, on the same side as Lelouch during the attack on the Geass Order/Cult. Later, she realized that Schneizel's plan for the world was wrong and tried to oppose it. That's not full redemption nor absolute forgiveness, but it is a more constructive modification of her original perspective. S1 Cornelia may not have done either of those things.

Real talk: Karma is mostly a lie. According to the history of the world, including current global affairs, good people aren't always rewarded and bad people aren't always punished for their actions. We simply like to tell many stories where that usually happens in order to make us feel better and try (often failing) to make the next generation more respectful of the status quo.

edited 27th Feb '16 12:46:47 AM by Madonis

Total agreement on Cross Ange still having a more reasonable ending karma/forgiveness-wise.

For Ohgi, it isn't so much that he didn't get punished for betrayal, but he was none too careless himself, culpable in a few ways of what he accused Zero, and was rewarded in spite of it, and causing Lelouch's final turn. In a way he's the Jay Leno of anime.

Cornelia's "There may no longer be any honor in war" line is super narmy considering what she was responsible for.

Villetta, yeah, straight up opportunist who was also responsible for some of what Ohgi held against Lelouch. She definitely had him by the balls.

My idea of balancing the karmic scales would be for, say, Kaguya to force Ohgi to resign under threat of manufactured scandal, Villetta to be secretly detained and forced into watching over Schneizel, and Kallen to have their baby adopted under the Lamperouge surname.

B-ut that would start conflict :O

Not if it were done on the down low.

Ohgi would resign, Villetta disappears from society, and Cornelia who I forgot to mention, I guess ends up in permanent house confinement.

Ohgi and Villetta are the main reasons I hated how the Black Knights betrayal went down. If they suffered something instead of getting the happiest of endings, I wouldn't have hated them so much.

Well I'm guessing people wanted a happy ending so them suffering would have ruined that. Believe me I know people who did enjoy Villetta and Ougi's relationship.

edited 5th Mar '16 9:49:05 AM by Mizerous

It was an undeserved happy ending for them both. And considering two of the main characters met decidedly bad ends, one of which was because of them.

And the thing is, I actually liked Ohgi before he got derailed by the relationship.

Not to mention, also ironically, I found myself defending another Megan Hollingshead dub voiced character, Mai Valentine, in a series that involved another aloof and troubled antihero, who I felt on the converse got a little too much sympathy in spite of hardly giving a crap.

edited 5th Mar '16 1:16:40 PM by azul120

So did I.

So Ougi is the Joey to Villetta's Mai :P

Except the wrong roles becoming/staying the more successful in both cases, lol.

Does anything think there will be more Code Geass stuff or will the OVA be the end of the series...

Once Oz the Reflection is over that's the end of the well.

So. This is a thing. That exists.

Oh, I'd been wondering if anyone from here was going to pick up on that.

In other news, the 5th Akito the Exile OVA was released and subbed a few days ago,