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* IKnewIt:
** The fandom's general reaction in Retrace LI when it's revealed that [[spoiler:Reim is the contractor of the chain 'March Hare'. Mochizuki was not exactly subtle in hinting this.]]
** Retrace LVI, in which [[spoiler:Reim is revealed to be alive and kicking. Turns out that March Hare's power is faking death. Guaranteed, this theory showed up at least once in every PH forum on the Web.]] For the most part, the fandom was pleasantly surprised that they were right.
** Retrace LXIX, which confirms [[spoiler:the assumption that Alice and the Intention of the Abyss are the children of Lacie.]]
*** [[spoiler:As well as the fact that Glen is the father. Except it wasn't the [[LegacyCharacter "Glen"]] most fans had expected ([[BrotherSisterIncest and for good reason]]).]]


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* {{Jossed}}: A lot of people were guessing that [[spoiler:Elliot Nightray would be Glen Baskerville's next vessel]], from several [[RedHerring hints]]. Retrace LVIII disproved this theory.
** A lot of people were also guessing that [[spoiler:B-Rabbit was a chain that turned its contractor into the next B-Rabbit, hence the mention of B-Rabbit always "ending" its own contractor, Alice being human 100 years ago, and Oz slowly gaining B-Rabbit's powers from her in the present.]] Retrace LXX through LXXIV ''inverts'' that hypothesis, [[spoiler:with Oz being revealed to be the original Chain B-Rabbit whom Alice stole her powers from]].

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* EvilIsSexy:
** Lottie. And the author is aware of that.
** Glen Baskerville also has his fangirls. [[spoiler:Specifically, all the Glens have his own fangirls.]]
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* MemeticMutation: After the painful revelations of the [[WholeEpisodeFlashback Jack's Intention arc]], it became a reoccurring joke by fans to advertise the series by promising that it was [[TastesLikeDiabetes about the sweet adventures of a family]] [[SchmuckBait and their stuffed animal rabbit.]] Usually including a {{Moe}} gif and/or [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial descriptions of how "cute" and "innocent" and "totally not mind-scrambling" the series is.]]

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* MemeticMutation: After the painful revelations of the [[WholeEpisodeFlashback Jack's Intention arc]], it became a reoccurring joke by fans to advertise the series by promising that it was [[TastesLikeDiabetes about the sweet adventures of a family]] family [[SchmuckBait and their stuffed animal rabbit.]] Usually including a {{Moe}} gif and/or [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial descriptions of how "cute" and "innocent" and "totally not mind-scrambling" the series is.]]

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* RelationshipWritingFumble:
** A very large part of the fandom ships Break and Sharon, despite the fact that Sharon sometimes refers to Break as "big brother" and Break is heavily implied to have been in love with Sharon's mother before her death. Although the intention is quite clear on Jun Mochizuki's part, their relationship isn't depicted as particularly sibling-like, and it certainly doesn't seem like a father-daughter relationship. Sharon and Break frequently blush around each other, occasionally fight LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and usually don't act, through displaying their maturity and understanding of one another, as though there is as large an age gap between them as there is in reality.
** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. Though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,'' many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency. But as so many people interpreted this relationship as romantic, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as she had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic relationships. (See FanPreferredCouple here or ShipSinking on the main page.)

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PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: A very large part of the fandom ships Break and Sharon, despite the fact that Sharon sometimes refers to Break as "big brother" and Break is heavily implied to have been in love with Sharon's mother before her death. Although the intention is quite clear on Jun Mochizuki's part, their relationship isn't depicted as particularly sibling-like, and it certainly doesn't seem like a father-daughter relationship. Sharon and Break frequently blush around each other, occasionally fight LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and usually don't act, through displaying their maturity and understanding of one another, as though there is as large an age gap between them as there is in reality.
** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. Though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,'' many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency. But as so many people interpreted this relationship as romantic, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as she had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic relationships. (See FanPreferredCouple here or ShipSinking on the main page.)
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** Other ships include Oz x the cookies he found in the Abyss, Alice x [[TrademarkFavoriteFood meat]], Gilbert x [[NiceHat his hat]], and the list goes on...

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** Other ships include Oz x the cookies he found in the Abyss, Alice x [[TrademarkFavoriteFood meat]], Gilbert x [[NiceHat his hat]], hat, and the list goes on...
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* FoeYay:
** Break and Lottie had some before and during the Isla Yura Mansion arc, but as they haven't interacted since, we can't say for sure where this is going.
** Vincent also seems to have some sort of fixation on Break, having once told him, "I like you the most." Hell, [[AllThereInTheManual an official guidebook]] had Break in both Vincent's "likes" list ''and'' in his ''dislikes'' list. For his part, Break despises Vincent and wants nothing more than to kill him for poisoning Sharon.
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* FanNickname:
** The Intention of the Abyss is called Alyss or White!Alice by many fans.
** The author of the series, Jun Mochizuki, frequently has her name shortened to "Mochijun" by the fans.
** Elliot was also referred to as Elly by some of the fanbase, even before Mochizuki [[AscendedFanon commenced usage of the pet name herself]].
** Isla Yura will probably never be known to the English-speaking fandom as anything other than "Creeper".
** Some fans have begun referring to [[spoiler:post-Elliot's-death]] Leo as [[spoiler:"Gleo" after it is revealed that he is the next incarnation of Glen Baskerville.]]
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* AbandonShipping: Shipping [[spoiler:Jack and Alice]] was pretty common due to the vague but abundant ShipTease in the beginning of the manga. It turned out the girl seen with [[spoiler:Jack]] in those happy flashbacks was [[spoiler:the Intention of the Abyss, not Alice]]. In addition, it was eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Jack was a [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who was obsessed with the girls' mother, gradually driving Alice to suicide and the Intention to insanity]]. It's completely understandable why this ship was promptly abandoned.

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* AbandonShipping: Shipping [[spoiler:Jack and Alice]] was pretty common due to the vague but abundant ShipTease in the beginning of the manga. It turned out the girl seen with [[spoiler:Jack]] in those happy flashbacks was [[spoiler:the Intention of the Abyss, not Alice]]. In addition, it was it's eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Jack was a [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who was obsessed with the girls' mother, gradually driving Alice to suicide and the Intention to insanity]]. It's completely understandable why this ship was promptly abandoned.
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** [[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24652-1/pandora-hearts/chapter-23.html Lottie]]. And the author is [[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24663-1/pandora-hearts/chapter-34.html aware of that]].

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** [[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24652-1/pandora-hearts/chapter-23.html Lottie]]. Lottie. And the author is [[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24663-1/pandora-hearts/chapter-34.html aware of that]].that.
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** * Jack Vessalius is the true mastermind behind the events of the work. [[spoiler:The [[BastardBastard illegitimate son of a noble]], Jack fled from his home, and lived on the streets until he met a girl from the Baskerville family. Wanting to meet her again, Jack uses his noble family's name to be able to see her. When the Baskerville girl was sacrificed to the Abyss, Jack, obsessed with getting to see her again, decided to throw the whole world into the corrupted Abyss to bring it to her. Causing the catastrophic Tragedy of Sablier, Jack blames the Baskerville and Nightray families while painting himself as the hero, going on to seek a chance to recreate it. Manipulating Oz's entire life to fulfill what he believed to be the wish of his beloved, Jack is ultimately a TragicVillain, even finally redeeming himself after accepting the errors of his ways]].

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** * Jack [[spoiler:Jack Vessalius is the true mastermind behind the events of the work. [[spoiler:The The [[BastardBastard illegitimate son of a noble]], Jack fled from his home, and lived on the streets until he met a girl from the Baskerville family. Wanting to meet her again, Jack uses his noble family's name to be able to see her. When the Baskerville girl was sacrificed to the Abyss, Jack, obsessed with getting to see her again, decided to throw the whole world into the corrupted Abyss to bring it to her. Causing the catastrophic Tragedy of Sablier, Jack blames the Baskerville and Nightray families while painting himself as the hero, going on to seek a chance to recreate it. Manipulating Oz's entire life to fulfill what he believed to be the wish of his beloved, Jack is ultimately a TragicVillain, even finally redeeming himself after accepting the errors of his ways]].
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* ThreesomeSubtext: Oz, Alice, and Gil, in a mostly platonic fashion but it's still absolutely there. With the caveat that WordOfGod states that of all of Oz's potential love interests it's ''Echo'' who Oz had the most romantic chemistry with, the connection between the three main characters runs very deep. Oz and Alice kissed when making their contract, Gil's devotion to Oz has been heavily insinuated to be romantic in nature, Gil and Alice are literally commented to bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and that's just scratching the surface. And then at the end of the series after Oz and Alice sacrifice themselves, Gil sobs for both of them and holds them tightly before they disappear, and then declares that due to his extended lifespan, he intends on [[IWillWaitForYou living long enough to meet their reincarnations so they can all be together again]]. Oz and Alice, in turn, respond that they look forward to seeing him again. And they ''do'' reunite, 100 years later. Regardless if it's romantic or not, it's hard to call that anything but love.

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* ThreesomeSubtext: Oz, Alice, and Gil, in a mostly platonic fashion but it's still absolutely there. With the caveat that WordOfGod states that of all of Oz's potential love interests it's ''Echo'' who Oz had the most romantic chemistry with, the connection between the three main characters runs very deep. Oz and Alice kissed when making their contract, Gil's devotion to Oz has been heavily insinuated to be romantic in nature, Gil and Alice are literally commented to bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and that's just scratching the surface. And then at the end of the series after Oz and Alice sacrifice themselves, Gil sobs for both of them and holds them tightly before they disappear, and then declares that due to his extended lifespan, he intends on [[IWillWaitForYou living long enough to meet their reincarnations so they can all be together again]]. Oz and Alice, in turn, Alice respond to him in turn that they look forward to seeing him again. And they the three of them ''do'' reunite, 100 years later. Regardless if it's romantic or not, it's hard to call that anything but love.
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* ThreesomeSubtext: Oz, Alice, and Gil, in a mostly platonic fashion but it's still absolutely there. With the caveat that WordOfGod states that of all of Oz's potential love interests it's ''Echo'' who Oz had the most romantic chemistry with, the connection between the three main characters runs very deep. Oz and Alice kissed when making their contract, Gil's devotion to Oz has been heavily insinuated to be romantic in nature, Gil and Alice are literally commented to bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and that's just scratching the surface. And then at the end of the series after Oz and Alice sacrifice themselves, Gil sobs for both of them and holds them tightly before they disappear, and then declares that due to his extended lifespan, he intends on [[IWillWaitForYou living long enough to meet their reincarnations so they can all be together again]]. Oz and Alice, in turn, respond that they look forward to seeing him again. And they ''do'' reunite, 100 years later. Regardless if it's romantic or not, it's hard to call that anything but love.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's pretty obvious even to a first-time reader/viewer that [[spoiler: Raven is a grown-up Gilbert]]. Perhaps this is intentional, as the true twist here is why [[spoiler: if Gilbert grew up, why didn't Sharon and Break, which leads to the true reveal that 10 years has passed, and that Chain contractors don't age.]]

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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's pretty obvious even to a first-time reader/viewer that [[spoiler: Raven is a grown-up Gilbert]]. Perhaps this is intentional, as the true twist here is why [[spoiler: if Gilbert grew up, why didn't Sharon and Break, which leads to the true reveal that 10 years has passed, and that some Chain contractors don't age.]]
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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's pretty obvious even to a first-time reader/viewer that [[spoiler: Raven is a grown-up Gilbert]]. Perhaps this is intentional, as the true twist here is why [[spoiler: if Gilbert grew up, why didn't Sharon and Break, which leads to the true reveal that 10 years has passed.]]

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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's pretty obvious even to a first-time reader/viewer that [[spoiler: Raven is a grown-up Gilbert]]. Perhaps this is intentional, as the true twist here is why [[spoiler: if Gilbert grew up, why didn't Sharon and Break, which leads to the true reveal that 10 years has passed.passed, and that Chain contractors don't age.]]
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* {{Woolseyism}}: Most English translations of ''[=PandoraHearts=]'' are surprisingly one-to-one--even leaving the "ore" and "boku" differentiation, which can be difficult for English readers as English doesn't have such a variety of personal pronouns. However, there is a notable aversion of this in the Yen Press translation regarding the full name of B-Rabbit. Most translate the B-Rabbit's full Japanese title, "Chizome no Kuro Usagi" (literally "Black Rabbit of Blood-dye"), into English as "Bloodstained Black Rabbit," with "dye" switched with its rough synonym "stain" and used as an adjective. The Yen Press translation, however, translates this title to "Bloody Black Rabbit," which aside from being technically less accurate, has some [[DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch connotation issues]] depending on the English-speaking audience in question.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Most English translations of ''[=PandoraHearts=]'' are surprisingly one-to-one--even leaving the "ore" and "boku" differentiation, which can be difficult for English readers as English doesn't have such a variety of personal pronouns. However, there is a notable aversion of this in the Yen Press translation regarding the full name of B-Rabbit. Most translate A more one-to-one translation of the B-Rabbit's full Japanese title, "Chizome no Kuro Usagi" (literally "Black Rabbit of Blood-dye"), into English would be something like "Black Rabbit of Bloodstains," though it's most commonly written in fan translations as "Bloodstained Black Rabbit," with "dye" switched with its rough synonym "stain" and used as an adjective. The Yen Press translation, however, translates this title to "Bloody Black Rabbit," which which, aside from being technically less ''less'' accurate, has some [[DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch connotation issues]] depending on the English-speaking audience in question.
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* CreepyAwesome: [[BunnyEarsLawyer Break]]. A Badass OneManArmy who's [[LetsGetDangerous occasio]][[BewareTheSillyOnes nally]] [[AxCrazy out of]] [[SociopathicHero his]] [[SoftSpokenSadist mind]]. [[EnsembleDarkhorse And the fans love him for that]].

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* CreepyAwesome: [[BunnyEarsLawyer Break]]. A Badass OneManArmy who's [[LetsGetDangerous occasio]][[BewareTheSillyOnes nally]] [[AxCrazy [[BewareTheSillyOnes occasionally]] out of]] of [[SociopathicHero his]] [[SoftSpokenSadist mind]]. [[EnsembleDarkhorse mind. And the fans love him for that]].that.



** Glen Baskerville, real name Oswald, is the mysterious leader of [[Characters/PandoraHeartsTheBaskervilleHousehold the Baskerville family]]. Having ordered the slaughter of the population of Sablier [[spoiler: to spare them the horrifying fate within [[Characters/PandoraHeartsTheAbyss the Abyss]] centuries in the past, Glen returns in the present time by taking over the body of his reincarnation and assumes direct leadership over the Baskerville clan once again. Able to force skilled schemers like Rufus Barma and even the below-mentioned Jack Vessalius to the limits of their wits, Glen ultimately almost attains his goal of altering the timeline by killing his own sister to prevent the events of the series from occurring, only stopping when he realizes his own hypocrisies and hollowness of his goals [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist hidden behind good intentions]].]]

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** Glen Baskerville, real name Oswald, is the mysterious leader of [[Characters/PandoraHeartsTheBaskervilleHousehold [[Characters/PandoraHeartsBaskervilleHousehold the Baskerville family]]. Having ordered the slaughter of the population of Sablier [[spoiler: to spare them the horrifying fate within [[Characters/PandoraHeartsTheAbyss the Abyss]] centuries in the past, Glen returns in the present time by taking over the body of his reincarnation and assumes direct leadership over the Baskerville clan once again. Able to force skilled schemers like Rufus Barma and even the below-mentioned Jack Vessalius to the limits of their wits, Glen ultimately almost attains his goal of altering the timeline by killing his own sister to prevent the events of the series from occurring, only stopping when he realizes his own hypocrisies and hollowness of his goals [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist hidden behind good intentions]].]]
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** Elliot Nightray, in contrast to his blunt nature, shows a really dorky side when he was gushing over Xerxes Break and the Holy Knight series.
** Glen Baskerville. Just look at him at that time when he squeezes his cheeks bemusedly after Jack says that he's looking sterner than normal.
** Echo whenever she is talking to Oz. Just look at the way she tries to cheer up an imprisoned Oz by reading him a story and then gets distressed over the punch line being missing.
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* ShipSinking: Nearly every pairing got sunk by the time the epilogue came out. [[spoiler:Some examples are Oz and Alice dying after separating the Core of the Abyss and White Alice, Break died in Sharon's arms and same with Echo dying in Oz's arms, Rufus Barma dying 3 years after the fiasco in Sablier without getting together with Cheryl, and Vincent cut off his ties to Ada due to being a Baskerville. The only ones that got together are Sharon and Reim.]]
** WordOfGod says Oz and Alice were not meant to be together romantically, because their relationship is [[PlatonicLifePartners "in another level"]]. However, she says they are both each other's most important person and will stay like this as long as they are Oz and Alice.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Although the shippers of this fandom are unusually tame and don't tend to enjoy ship wars, there are occasional clashes between those who ship Oz with Alice and those who ship Oz with Gilbert. Oddly enough, the people who ship Oz with Gilbert and the people who ship Oz with Echo don't seem to fight, though nobody can exactly say why. However, the people who ship Oz and Alice and the people who ship Oz and Echo ''have'' been known to fight.
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** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. Though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,''many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency. But as so many people interpreted this relationship as romantic, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as she had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic relationships. (See FanPreferredCouple here or ShipSinking on the main page.)

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** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. Though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,''many ''However,'' many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency. But as so many people interpreted this relationship as romantic, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as she had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic relationships. (See FanPreferredCouple here or ShipSinking on the main page.)
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** A very large part of the fandom shipped Break and Sharon in spite of the fact that Sharon sometimes refers to Break as "big brother" and how Break is heavily implied to have been in love with Sharon's mother Shelly before her death. Although the intention is quite clear on Jun Mochizuki's part, their relationship isn't depicted as particularly sibling-like, and it certainly doesn't seem like a father-daughter relationship. Sharon and Break care about each other above all else, which could be a platonic thing, but they frequently blush around each other, occasionally fight LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and usually don't act, through displaying their maturity and understanding of one another, as though there is as large an age gap between them as there is in reality.
** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. They kiss at the beginning of the manga (though admittedly, for non-romantic reasons) and dance together at Oz's second Coming of Age ceremony; Oz frequently proclaims Alice to be as dear as the sun to him and has {{Yandere}} tendencies for Alice in the earlier parts of the manga; Alice is possessive and jealous when Oz pays attention to others more than her and proclaims Oz to be her "property"; and though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,''many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency as Oz developed out of a flirt and were much more focused on in the anime than in the manga to begin with. But as so many people interpreted this relationship differently, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as [[FanNickname MochiJun]] had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic tensions. Yet, she directly stated that Oz and Alice ''do'' care for each other beyond measure, but that their relationship is "on another level" and that they never were and will never be in romantic love with each other. Some of the fandom grew to appreciate their relationship even more because its implications posit non-romantic relationships as being as important and central as romantic ones--or, cynically, because [[ShipToShipCombat it freed up Oz and Alice for other possible ships]]--but others in the fandom were left either confused or pissed.

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** A very large part of the fandom shipped ships Break and Sharon in spite of Sharon, despite the fact that Sharon sometimes refers to Break as "big brother" and how Break is heavily implied to have been in love with Sharon's mother Shelly before her death. Although the intention is quite clear on Jun Mochizuki's part, their relationship isn't depicted as particularly sibling-like, and it certainly doesn't seem like a father-daughter relationship. Sharon and Break care about each other above all else, which could be a platonic thing, but they frequently blush around each other, occasionally fight LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and usually don't act, through displaying their maturity and understanding of one another, as though there is as large an age gap between them as there is in reality.
** Oz and Alice's relationship has a bit more of a BrokenBase regarding whether it is this or not. A large amount of the fandom shipped them, particularly in the series' early days, but even those who didn't still assumed they would be the OfficialCouple of the series because many of their early interactions involved a lot of elements usually reserved for romantic couples. They kiss at the beginning of the manga (though admittedly, for non-romantic reasons) and dance together at Oz's second Coming of Age ceremony; Oz frequently proclaims Alice to be as dear as the sun to him and has {{Yandere}} tendencies for Alice in the earlier parts of the manga; Alice is possessive and jealous when Oz pays attention to others more than her and proclaims Oz to be her "property"; and though Though they develop out of their more obsessively devoted behaviors, it is clear at the end of the series that they still care for each other beyond measure. ''However,''many of their obsessive or possessive tendencies work largely as [[spoiler:foreshadowing for the fact that Oz was once quite literally her property, whom she killed herself to protect]], and these shippy moments went down in frequency as Oz developed out of a flirt and were much more focused on in the anime than in the manga to begin with. frequency. But as so many people interpreted this relationship differently, as romantic, Jun Mochizuki's unambiguous sinking of the ship during an interview took much of the fandom by surprise, as [[FanNickname MochiJun]] she had previously been very subtle and ambiguous regarding possible romantic tensions. Yet, she directly stated that Oz and Alice ''do'' care for each other beyond measure, but that their relationship is "on another level" and that they never were and will never be in romantic love with each other. Some of relationships. (See FanPreferredCouple here or ShipSinking on the fandom grew to appreciate their relationship even more because its implications posit non-romantic relationships as being as important and central as romantic ones--or, cynically, because [[ShipToShipCombat it freed up Oz and Alice for other possible ships]]--but others in the fandom were left either confused or pissed.main page.)
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** The anime has some seriously awesome music, particularly [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AayHUbAFb1Y "Every Time You Kissed Me"]], which serves as [[spoiler: Lacie's theme]].
** Don't forget [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsese8D-lDk Bloody Rabbit]]. When that song comes on, you know something awesome is gonna happen.

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** The anime has some seriously awesome music, particularly [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AayHUbAFb1Y [[https://youtu.be/IV6s7IKxocU "Every Time You Kissed Me"]], which serves as [[spoiler: Lacie's theme]].
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** What were you expecting? It's composed by Music/YukiKajiura after all.



** The OP [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acn4jdw7HPs "Parallel Hearts"]] by Fiction Junction is gorgeous ''and'' badass simultaneously.

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** The OP [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acn4jdw7HPs [[https://youtu.be/3Ac01YI0X2Q "Parallel Hearts"]] by Fiction Junction is gorgeous ''and'' badass simultaneously.
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* JerkassWoobie: Vincent, [[spoiler:Break, but especially Jack]].



* TheWoobie:
** Elliot.
** [[BrokenHero Oz]]. ''[[DarkAndTroubledPast Oz.]]'' '''''[[AndIMustScream Oz.]]'''''
** Gilbert and Vince too. Say what you will, but those two have gone to [[IncrediblyLamePun hell and back.]]
** Leo too. [[spoiler:His best friend is now dead, and he feels like everything that's gone wrong is all his fault. That's not getting to the many orphan children (who he cares for enough to consider his siblings) dying.]]
** Alice, Break, Echo... it's actually easier to count who ''isn't'' a Woobie.
** Elliot ''deserves repeating''. It's pretty clear the author loves to torture her characters, but Elliot gets the brunt of it by ''far''.
*** Then came the recent chapters, [[SerialEscalation and Elliot seems so lucky in comparison to]] [[spoiler:[[ItsAllMyFault Leo]] [[GrandTheftMe and]] [[TomatoInTheMirror Oz]].]]
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** * Jack Vessalius is the true mastermind behind the events of the work. [[spoiler:The [[BastardBastard illegitimate son of a noble]], Jack fled from his home, and lived on the streets until he met a girl from the Baskerville family. Wanting to meet her again, Jack uses his noble family's name to be able to see her. When the Baskerville girl was sacrificed to the Abyss, Jack, obsessed with getting to see her again, decided to throw the whole world into the corrupted Abyss to bring it to her. Causing the catastrophic Tragedy of Sablier, Jack blames the Baskerville and Nightray families while painting himself as the hero, going on to seek a chance to recreate it. Manipulating Oz's entire life to fulfill what he believed to be the wish of his beloved, Jack is ultimately a TragicVillain, even finally redeeming himself after accepting the errors of his acts]].

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** * Jack Vessalius is the true mastermind behind the events of the work. [[spoiler:The [[BastardBastard illegitimate son of a noble]], Jack fled from his home, and lived on the streets until he met a girl from the Baskerville family. Wanting to meet her again, Jack uses his noble family's name to be able to see her. When the Baskerville girl was sacrificed to the Abyss, Jack, obsessed with getting to see her again, decided to throw the whole world into the corrupted Abyss to bring it to her. Causing the catastrophic Tragedy of Sablier, Jack blames the Baskerville and Nightray families while painting himself as the hero, going on to seek a chance to recreate it. Manipulating Oz's entire life to fulfill what he believed to be the wish of his beloved, Jack is ultimately a TragicVillain, even finally redeeming himself after accepting the errors of his acts]].ways]].

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