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Madagascar is the only place spared the virus.Cause, A) if they're going to go down similar paths to the original humans have to come from somewhere, and B) who can resist the Pandemic 2 joke?
Rodman will find a cure for the plague but the side effects will be loss of speech.That seems to be a logical way for humans to lose the ability to speak in any potential sequels. - or, the plague itself causes loss of speech? It's seen to affect the throat. And the people who don't lose their speech become horribly scarred mutants.
Humans with at least a certain level of mental handicap will be immune to the 113 plagueThis starts a downward spiral in the surviving human population until, eventually... y'know. I like to think that Rodney the kindly-but-slow zookeeper gets a happy-ish ending.
Koba will be the ape that causes them to enslave mankind
Caesar gets his mate in the sequelOne of the chimps shipped off to GenSys is named Cornelia, and he takes a meaningful look at her empty cage before laying siege to the facility. I think there's a deleted scene of them looking into each others' eyes, but that could be completely off-base.
The company that was developing 112 is OscorpWhy else would Harry be one of the researchers?
Hunsiker never caught the plagueNah, that was just a nosebleed.
This takes place in the same universe as LimitlessIn Limitless, there is a drug that enhances your brain function, making you become hyperintelligent. Sounds exactly like the drug they gave the apes. Since the Limitless pills didn't kill you, they must be the earlier drug, the 112 that some other lab technician (there's other people working there besides Franklin and Rodman) that decided to sell the drug on the streets.
Jacobs survives the fall.Not only that, but he survives the plague, which instead mutated him. He becomes the leader of the mutants. He'll develop a deep hatred for apes, much similar to Governor Breck from Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.
In the sequel, Koba will betray Caesar.Caesar's stance is to not kill humans and just stay out of the way in their own land. Koba doesn't want that, he want revenge. He will betray Caesar to take command of the apes and go to war.
Ape society...Will develop similar to the apes in the original novel. With large cities and steampunk-like vehicles. Their (main) religion will be a mixture of Christianity and other bits of various mythologies. They worship a God-like being similar to Semos from the 2001 film, who created "the ape in his own image". The Lawgiver would be a well-known prophet, a la Moses and Muhammad.
The human survivors of the plague will be the ones most susceptible to Alzheimer's.The new serum/virus was based on the original, which had positive effects on Alzheimer's patients. The new serum/virus kills people, but maybe its effects are less severe on people who have, or who are likely to develop, Alzheimer's disease. The mentally deteriorated humans in the original movie will be their descendants.
The next movie will involve Caesar attempting to rescue Will from the 113Because this plot point NEEDS RESOLUTION, DAMMIT.
The next film won't follow the first chronologically, it will be in the distant future.Lost astronauts. They get back to Earth. You know the rest. Except for one small detail...
The "They blew it all to hell" Statue of Liberty scene will happen at the beginning of the sequel.Since it's hardly a surprise anymore, but, goddammit, it's so iconic it has to happen. The lost astronauts from the Mars expedition come back and realize right away they're on Future!Ape!Earth and the plot goes on from there.
The idea that humans actually are apes will be a dangerous heresy in Ape society.Pop biology quiz, which species is the closest relative of chimpanzees? Gorillas? No. Orangutans? No. Yep, it's Homo sapiens. Which would boost another dangerous idea, namely, that apes are in fact Not So Different from the evil humans. Expect the returning astronauts to be (even more) persecuted because they spread this idea.
The grand unifiying sequel theoryTaking many of the points above and the old movies as a base: There will be a three-sided conflict between Caesar and Will who want a peaceful coexistence between the apes and the humans, the US government that considers the apes as the source of the plague and Koba who wants to Kill All Humans. Koba kills Caesar during a police raid and convinces the other apes that he was killed by humans, taking over the gang and declaring war on mankind. Another battle ensues, where it is revealed that Koba was actually Caesar's murderer before he dies. Maurice then takes over as ruler of the apes and establishes both the Ape Shall Never Kill Ape rule and that apes and humans can't coexist, eventually becoming The Lawgiver and giving rise to the political dominance of orangutans in the next centuries. The astronauts won't come back until the third movie.
The "5 years later" caption was add after production by someone who understand how long it takes to chimpanzees to mature.It doesn't make sense otherwise since the story doesn't seem to progress as much as it should 1. Nobody seem to notice that Will father is a fully functional adult again and ask how it happened.
2. There are apparently no incidents with Jerkass neighbor despite the fact that after the first incidents it seem like he was planning to do something about the ape situation.
3. If Will and Caroline been dating for that long, how come she doesn't know where he works? The only way all those thing would make sense is if only a few months were intended to pass.
A sequel would have an extreme downer ending.Looking at how ROTPOTA leaves the various characters this is only a natural conclusion for the next movie, or spread out with several.
Will and Caroline, with most of humanity, will be dead due to the virus. Caesar, like his cinematic basis, has a "live and let live" outlook on ape/human relations. This implies that he will also be overthrown and/or murdered at the end and replaced by a more anti-human ape, possibly Koba. The effects of the plague and the growth of ape society will lead to the world where apes rule and humans are no more than slaves/scientific research subjects that the astronauts will return to.
Children of Men is a sequel to the movie.The virus mutates so it is not so virulent, it merely removes reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits, the apes experience a great birth rate.
Caesar can talk because he was born from an ALZ ape.It's been mentioned many times that even though ALZ would make apes smart enough to talk, their vocal cords are still not formed properly. But unlike the other apes, Caesar wasn't treated with the ALZ, he was born super-intelligent. Caesar was a second-generation ALZ ape, and it's possible that his vocal cords were formed to allow him to speak once he learned how. If this is true, then the children of the apes from the movie will be able to talk as well.
The script for ROTPOTA was given to the the writers by aliens, and is a script for The Dark Knight Saga distorted by Recursive TranslationThe aliens managed to find the scripts to the three Dark Knight movies, and decided that they were interesting. However, since they're aliens, their word for "Human" and "Ape" is the same. The aliens made a few copies in human languages, and one was left behind. The writers found the script, and while it was confusing in places, they understood most, and had the idea to use it for a POTA prequel. They edited a few bits to make the story work, like making ALZ-113/12 (What Scare-crow's toxin had been distorted into) infectious and intelligence-enducing, and setting the story in San-Francisco. The parallels are numerous, when you think about it. Caesar/Batman, an orphan, The Hero who has a strict no-killing policy (but sometimes does not save people, for example Jacobs in the helicopter/Ra's on the train) and a disturbing gravelly voice, is taken in by a very old man (by ape standards) who cared for his parent(s). He is initially trust-worthy of his enemy (Rocket/Ra's), but learns that he and his followers are evil. After about halfway in the movie/trilogy, he comes into conflict with the police. Koba/Joker, a scared and bitter ape with a Nightmare Fuel smile, kills a corrupt black man who wears a Badass Suit and is (possibly) the second movie in the series's villain. Jerkass Neighbour/Bane, sends Caesar/Batman to prison, who then meets/hallucinates Rocket/Ra's, highly protective of little girls and is responsible for almost destroying gotham/destroying the world. Buck/Tumbler, I have no evidence for this other than they're both pretty strong, kind of sort of look like each other, and they both come in black. Maurice/Scrapped Robin concept? He's Caesar's sidekick, he has warmer colours to contrast the other apes black, and Maurice once worked at a circus. The characters match up roughly, but not perfectly. However, the most damning piece of evidence I have is the title: Rise.
Humans DO blow it all upThe ALZ plague ravages the Earth. Apes around the world, in Zoos, are released by the staff when they can no longer care for them, or they escape on there own. Apes in the wild, come into contact with infected humans and gain enhanced intelligence. As the humanity falls to the effects of the plague, the intelligence enhanced apes, move into cities, out of curiosity or perhaps looking for resources, and come into regular contact with the surviving humans. This leads to conflict and tension with the traumatized survivors of the ALZ plague. Remnants of governments attempt to destroy any bands of the now, much better organized and tool-using apes. Suspicion rules and as apes are found to be increasingly well organized and become a notable presence in human cities and towns, the surviving military still in control of WoMD launch them at cities around the world in order to destroy the apes, since humans cannot mount any effective armed forces against them. Leaders in parts of the world that are attacked, in turn, launch there own weapons and the destruction of humanity is complete, paving the way for a true planet of the Apes. From the original Conquest: of the POTA, it is mentioned that the pet plague, while killing off common animals, also had a subtle effect on humans as well. Humans in the original story line, were made slightly weaker by physically, and it was implied mentally as well. Not severely so, but the effect was there. In the reboot, expect the effects of the ALZ virus to be much more pronounced, and probably will become fixed in the human genome. So in addition to being radiation scarred, they will be dumb as posts. Caesars band will become the key Ape tribe, as Caesar has the power of speech and can pass that on to his children. The North American Apes could become the most advanced in the world. So in the end, Humans could well end up blowing it all up anyhow, if only in a somewhat different set of circumstances. The few surviving humans that were NOT effected by the effects of ALZ plague, and retain there intelligence, will become the equivalent of the original series New York mutants(though they may not necessarily inhabit the ruins of NYC in this time-line. They will be mutated and weak, but still retain there intelligence and harbour an enduring hatred of all apes, blaming them(incorrectly) for the fall of man, and will become the Apes primary behind-the-scenes enemy.
All of the films from the original series will be remadeGoing by the fact that Rise was a pseudo-remake of Conquest, this will become a five part series that will remake the other films:
In Dawn, Gary Oldman will play James Franco's characterAccording to rumors Franco will not return for the sequel except for a posible cameo. After signing in for the movie, Oldman said that he was playing the leader of a team of surviving scientists in the ruins of San Francisco, and that the sequel took place 15 years after Rise. Oldman and Franco are only 20 years apart in age.
Hunsiker survived the Simian Flu and is now part of (if not leader of) the Anti-Ape Association.The movie ends with him getting a nosebleed, but if you look at the Simian Flu website, the first fatality according to the OPHA is a pilot named Mark Rowan. Also note the PSA that plays says that only one of ten victims survives the Simian Flu. Hunsiker was that one of ten, and, keeping in mind that he lived next door to Caesar for years, and that Caesar bit off his finger, he'd have plenty of reason (if erroneously) to believe Caesar infected him, giving him a grudge against apes. And at the bottom of the website it says its brought to the internet by the Anti-Ape Association. Sounds like something Hunsiker would join if not found, hmmmm?
When the astronauts return to Earth, one of the primitive mute humans they will meet will be played by Andy Serkis.Because he has already played a handful of CGI characters. If they make a movie without Caesar, Serkis should at least come back in a human role.
The apes in the zoo were bitten by the apes who had the ALZ-113.Thus explaining how the apes in the zoo knew where to go.
When the movies get to the ape-dominated future, the wild humans will be played by birracial actors like the Eloi in The Time Machine
Gary Oldman will be the villain in Dawn.
In the future, the humans will be entirely covered in body paint not unlike the apes in DawnBesides the Call Back and Irony involved, it would take out the silly 60s cavemen look from the original, and allow the actors to appear more nude without getting a R-rating because it will fall under National Geographic Nudity.
In Dawn, Caesar will reuse the line from Battle, "That's my father."The trailer shows Caesar in Will's home, watching footage of Will and himself. This will be similar to the scene in Battle for the Planet of the Apes, during which Caesar found audio and video stills of his parents in San Francisco.
Koba will kill Caesar in Dawn.Caesar is the only ape of his kind who has lived with and seen the good in humans. Other apes want to be at war with them forever. Koba will be the one to kill Caesar, but he will be caught and punished for breaking the law, "Ape shall not kill ape."
The astronauts will use the stars to figure out that they are on Earth.They will figure it out sooner than Taylor did in the first film.
One of the astronauts will be named Taylor.They refer to him as "Taylor" in interviews.
The third film's ending will be more optimistic than any of the previous films.It would be something new.
In the third film, the apes will be like humans of the early 21st century.They would be using any technology and clothes that we have had up until 2016, when the movie comes out, just like how in the original novel the apes were like people of the 1960s.
Possible titles for future films.
The Stinger for Dawn will show the Icarus.And it will be heading back to Earth. At the end of the scene, the caption "2,000 Years Later" will appear with ominous music before it cuts to black and/or back to the credits.
We will see the fall of the Statue of Liberty.It would be a nod to the 1968 film.
There will be a total of six movies.This is a valuable franchise for Fox. The 2016 movie will probably be the end of the Caesar trilogy, and then there will be a Taylor trilogy that takes place 2,000 years later.
In Dawn, the death of River at the hands of humans will cause the war.In the trailer, Caesar says that he does not want a war. Malcolm later says that the apes will only attack if Caesar's family is threatened. The humans, or a human (possibly Dreyfus) will shoot Caesar's older son, River, to death, provoking Caesar into leading the apes into war.
The events on the Simian Flu website happen later than the site says.When the website was first launched on July 18 2013, this is what was written:
The lack of consistency in the chronology is an homage to Battle for the Planet of the Apes.To this day, people still argue over what year Battle takes place.
Rise ends on August 5, 2016.The website for Dawn contains a video showing the changes in major cities affected by Simian Flu since 8/5/2016. August 5 is the date that Rise came out in 2011, so it seems fitting. This would mean that Caesar was born in 2008 and that he went to Muir Woods for the first time in 2011.
Dawn begins on September 26, 2026.Related to the above. The video on the Dawn website ends with the date 9/26/2026.
Koba will say a General Ursus' line from Beneath or a variation of it.Ursus' line was, "The only good human...is a dead human!" Koba will either say this line exactly the same or say it in a more primitive-sounding way, like, "Only good human...dead human!" Koba does hate humans, after all.
The ending of Dawn will suggest potential for humans and apes to live prosperously together, and the next movie will end with apes taking over all civilization on Earth.Dawn, like Battle, will end with Caesar believing that humans and apes could live prosperously someday. The next film could be inspired by the 2770 scene in Battle and show the Lawgiver telling the story of Caesar to apes and humans, both of which can speak. The movie will then show what happens between then and the astronauts returning to Earth. Unlike the original film series in which time travel altered aspects of history, the Lawgiver's teachings will be altered by apes who believe that they should dominate the humans. This could result in orangutans and gorillas becoming more culturally dominant than the chimpanzees, just like in the 1968 film. The Stinger for the third film would recreate the opening scene of the 1968 film that shows Taylor recording his thoughts about traveling through the wormhole. The scene would take place as the ship passes through the year in which the third film takes place.
In a future film, gibbons will unite with humans to overthrow the chimpanzees, orangutans, and gorillas.Gibbons have never really been featured in this franchise. It would be interesting if they felt left out and decided to help the humans conquer the other apes.
The third film will focus on the war between humans and apes and be on a larger scale.It could show various battles across the U.S. and perhaps beyond, depicting the fall of the Statue of Liberty.
The reason that the sequel was not about the time of the Simian Flu outbreak is that it would have been too similar to Contagion.Which actually came out shortly after Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
The apes already control the Earth.We've only seen the San Francisco area. For all we know, all other areas of the world have already been taken over by apes who wish to inhabit buildings and use human technology.
The people of the north whom Dreyfus' people contacted are apes.It would be a twist in the next movie if it picks up right after.
Alpha, Caesar's father, wants to commit genocide against humans.Alpha must have been mad that the humans took his mate Bright Eyes away from him. Imagine how much more mad he would be if he was aware that she was pregnant at the time. If the ALZ-113 is airborne and spread across the globe, perhaps it increased the intelligence of apes across Africa. Between Bright-Eyes' capture and Caesar's uprising, Alpha could have already been captured and taken somewhere in America, perhaps hoping that he could be reunited with Bright Eyes. My bet is that it would be somewhere in New York like the Central Park Zoo, if only to show what becomes of the Statue of Liberty if Alpha appears in the next film. I could imagine him leading his own army of apes across the nation, slaughtering humans along the way. If such an army makes it to San Francisco, they could defeat the humans who reside there. It would be even more tragic if Alpha killed Caesar for defending the humans, not realizing that Caesar is his son until he sees the birth mark. He would then repeat to himself, "I killed my son," just like how Caesar repeated, "You killed my son," after learning that Aldo killed Cornelius in Battle. If this were the next movie, it could be called Alpha of the Planet of the Apes.
Caesar dominating Rocket in Rise is a Take That to the 2001 film.For the 2001 film, Terry Notary was a stunt performer and even did stunts for Tim Roth's politically powerful chimpanzee character Thade. In Rise, Notary portrays Rocket, a chimpanzee who is the alpha male in the San Bruno Primate Shelter until Caesar unleashed Buck the gorilla and terrifies Rocket into submitting to him. Caesar then becomes the leader of the apes. Therefore, the filmmakers were saying that Rise was better than the 2001 film. They may have also been saying that the pentalogy, which featured a chimp leader named Caesar, is better than the 2001 film. This may also explain why Rocket does not have a very large role in Dawn.
Malcolm and his family will not appear in the third film.Caesar told him that they should leave. It would also follow the trend of human characters not returning in the sequel. (Will only returned in a video.)
Caesar's younger son will be named Aldo.They did not want to give his name away in Dawn because then the audience would already know that he would end up killing Caesar's other son Blue Eyes just as Aldo from Battle had killed Caesar's son Cornelius.
Lesser apes have not had their intelligence increased by the ALZ 113.We have not seen any gibbons so far. It is possible that they have been unaffected (at least positively) by the 113. In the future, great apes may cage and/or enslave them. Ape scientists, perhaps named Cornelius and Zira, will create a drug that increases their intelligence, leading to the rise of lesser apes against great apes, mirroring the plot of Rise of the Planet of the Apes ironically.
The new films are ape versions of the X-Men film series.Both franchises are owned by 20th Century Fox. X-Men: First Class and Rise of the Planet of the Apes showed the origins of Charles Xavier and Caesar respectively. Both characters gathered their kind together in that film. Koba is an analog of Magneto since he works with Caesar in the movie, but he ends up killing someone vengefully at the end just as Magneto did at the end of First Class. Their targets, Sebastian Shaw and Steven Jacobs, ensured that experiments were carried out on them. Darwin and Buck die fighting these antagonists. X-Men: Days of Future Past and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes were both released in 2014. Magneto and Koba both attempt to commit genocide against humans even though Xavier and Caesar want mutants and apes respectively to co-exist peacefully with them. Maurice is an analog of Hank Mc Coy / Beast since both characters are loyal to their leaders.
There will be no nuclear war.Malcolm says that nuclear power gave out.