- Jossed by Return to Monkey Island, where we finally see the Secret. It's apparently another t-shirt... Or is it?
- Especially when we know that LeChuck was already evil and unaccounted-for while Morgan was being killed (since we don't know what he did before entering the courtroom).
- Confirmed!
- although her REAL killer might not be who she claimed it was, because...
When Morgan broke into the Marquis's home, she stabbed herself and waited for Guybrush to find her. Acting on The Voodoo Lady's orders, She lied when she told him that LeChuck was the one who killed her. Once Guybrush left the lab, the fake body dissolved and Morgan was sent back to the afterlife to await further orders.
- Problem with that theory. If Morgan was against the ghost pirate's defeat, then why did she willingly perform one-half of the final coup de grace against him?
- Agreed, but she arguably didn't kill him, The bit after the end credits made it look like she captured him and brought him to the Voodoo Lady. If that is, in fact, what happened, then she wasn't helping Elaine kill LeChuck, but rather helping the Voodoo Lady. Elaine thought she was killing him once and for all, but was really playing the part of a Unwitting Pawn.
- But that just raises even more problems, considering that Charles L. Charles was LeChuck in disguise.
- Steal 37 oz. of blood stained silver: Morgan was paid with lots of Silver coins, and the floor in Desinge's lab was covered in blood when she was stabbed.
- Ultimate Insult: There should still be one in Melee Island.
- Midas Diamond: The Goodsoup ring.
- Voodoo doll: Voodoo Lady.
- Enchanted root beer bottle: Not impossible to find.
Also that means that Guybrush could use the Feast for the Senses recipe again for another thing.
- Jossed, at least for now. But with a next season confirmed, who knows what's next?
- Not sure about this one. The Dev. Team commented that the prologue of Tales is actually the ending to an unseen adventure of Guybrush's, and features him improvising the recipe, as is typical at the end of an adventure. So it's more likely that the gag is that he made one for whatever reason at the beginning of the non-existent Monkey Island 5, and the one we saw was the second one he made.
- He does reverse the Feast for the Senses in Episode Five, though, by creating a sensory blandness to depower La Esponja.
- Almost certainly. The guy's come back five times already, what's once more?
- It looked to me more like Guybrush's voodoo hand, in the preserving jar that the Marquis de Singe was using to regenerate himself, actually... Given that we have no clue to the exact timing, my guess is... Well, next WMG!
- Guybrush's voodoo hand is lying on the table amongst the other knick-knacks. The thing in the jar is almost certainly LeChuck's skull - the guy has a really tiny head between the gigantic hat, lips and beard.
- LeChuck's skull is tiny but not that tiny and in the last shot you can see the thing from behind where it appears to be rather flat. What we are seeing here is LeChuck's Charming Belt Buckle Morgan brought back from the Thieves Den.
- Also, when the focus is on the jar, you can hear what sounds like Earl Boen's muffled voice.
- Guybrush's voodoo hand is lying on the table amongst the other knick-knacks. The thing in the jar is almost certainly LeChuck's skull - the guy has a really tiny head between the gigantic hat, lips and beard.
Now, notice that Guybrush's hand is back on him in the main ending. The most logical place for the voodoo'd hand and artifact to be, therefore, after it was abandoned at Ep 4's ending... Is the afterlife. Right where only ghosts - like LeFlay - can touch it... At least, normally.
The holes to be filled, are how the Voodoo Lady reached LeFlay (presumably taking some time, but not being outside the realm of possibility - after all, no one bested her as the swordmaster, so she was still at the Crossroads), and LeFlay finding the thing - that second one takes a lot longer.The length of time involved is more than just the length of the credits... Enough for significant establishing to be set up.
Perhaps we'll be playing, not Monkey Island 7 (remember, ToMI is 6, not 5!), but rather 8, with The Stinger in fact representing a key piece of 7's ending? In this case, this nonexistent 7 could also have the hallmark of being the first Monkey Island where you don't play as Guybrush - and with semi-rival-franchise Ace Attorney switching it's POV to Edgeworth for it's next round, well, who at Telltale who knows about that series wouldn't want to make a gag about that?
- If this turns out to be true, my guess is that the real Elaine ended up marrying Wally (who ALSO took the finale of Curse as an opportunity to "disappear") and the two lived happily (or at least pirate-free) ever after.
- We're using body-double WMG to try to justify Elaine's change in voice actor? Well then why don't we theorize that LeChuck killed Guybrush between the second and third games, and someone else with blond hair decided to steal his reputation and pass himself off as Guybrush? That would certainly explain his hairstyle change, and maybe his Compressed Vice fear of porcelain.
- That's the fun of WMG, friend. The possibilities are literally ENDLESS!
- Jossed by Dominic Armato's appearance in the Special Editions, though.
- That's the fun of WMG, friend. The possibilities are literally ENDLESS!
- She has never told Guybrush her name, regardless of his insistence in asking. Perhaps all the Voodoo Ladies have different names, and if more than one of them revealed their name to the same person the jig would be up.
- Hilarious in Hindsight: When Guybrush asks in Curse, she mentions that she is "known by many names on many different islands". Wow.
- In chapter 5 of Tales, Guybrush has the option of asking Galeb if he knows "the" Voodoo Lady. He replies, "Which one?" Everyone else in the series seems sure that there is only one Voodoo Lady. This can't just be chalked up to Galeb's personality; he may know something we don't.
- She has been seen on Melee Islandâ„¢, Scabb Island, Plunder Island, and Flotsam Island. The last of the four is especially significant because it's infamous for its inability to leave, but even forgiving that she's not exactly the most mobile person in the Caribbean (see chapter 3 of Tales).
- Considering her vague confirmation as The Chessmaster of the series in Tales, I wouldn't put this sort of gambit past her.
- But then why or how would he join LeChuck's undead army in Curse? So he could see his son again?
- My money is on this: Murray's head was reattached to his body between Revenge and Curse (and was subsequently knocked off again when Guybrush saved Elaine during the seige of Plunder), but the trauma of having it removed in the first place gave him amnesia. One day, he might remember his past and his son. Until then, he'll be the TERROR OF THE SEAS!
- Isn't the skull destroyed when Guybrush turns it into a voodoo doll?
- All LucasArts universes are somehow connected.
- At the end of Loom, the Loom universe was split in half when the Great Loom was Unmade. Both halves of the universe deteriorated and gradually broke down into nothingness. Before this happened, some denizens fled through tears in the Pattern and escaped to other universes (e.g. Cob and Gull).
- In the first two Monkey Island games, the Monkey Island universe is a figment of Guybrush's imagination, as he is only a child running around in a theme park. It is a highly unstable reality.
- The Voodoo Priest of Revenge was one of the surviving spellweavers during the Undead invasion of Loom Island. His walking stick is a weaving distaff; his cloak and skullmask keep his face covered. His world and the Monkey Island world were connected through tears in the fabric of reality, in both worlds. Also, LeChuck's Fortress is quite possibly the remains of The Forge. The "Voodoo Priest" is able to understand that this universe is based on the unstable childhood imagination of a young boy named Guybrush, a fact also known by the Voodoo Lady (who in Secret of Monkey Island warns Guybrush to be careful what he learns about his world).
- The special voodoo doll made for LeChuck was something that only a Weaver could have crafted. The Voodoo Priest promised that it would send Guybrush to "a dimension of infinite pain". Sewn into the doll and the magical needle were powerful Rending drafts.
- Because the Monkey Island universe was a figment of Guybrush's imagination, everything in that universe was linked to Guybrush himself. So when LeChuck first stabbed the voodoo doll beneath Monkey Island, it tore Guybrush into two pieces, and thus Rended the Monkey Island universe as well. It was similar to what happened to the Great Loom in the Loom universe.
- One half of the universe remained as Guybrush the child’s imagination. Eventually, when his day at the park ended, real-world Guybrush stopped daydreaming. Everything in this half of the universe disappeared as young Guybrush returned to reality. It is possible that characters such as the Men of Low Moral Fiber, Largo LaGrande, and the Voodoo Priest were on this side of the rift.
- The other half of the universe was split off as a living imprint of Guybrush's daydream. Since this half was cut off from real-world Guybrush's imagination, it is no longer affected by his every thoughts. It becomes a stable reality in is own right.
- In the game itself: from the point LeChuck first stabs Guybrush's voodoo doll, the universe has been split, and the two new universes are trying to reconcile themselves from the chaos. The gameplay we see comes from both universes simultaneously.
- From the point in which we see LeChuck's glowing eyes, everything we see in the Monkey Island games comes from the newly-created, stabilized universe. This is the only Monkey Island universe that still exists.
- Do you mean Morgan and Noogie? I don't remember Bugeye dying. (Though Morgan and Bugeye would make an awesome Crack Pairing.)
- Yeah, I meant Noogie.
- Sadly, with Telltale being closed down, this is unlikely to happen.
- Do you mean Morgan and Noogie? I don't remember Bugeye dying. (Though Morgan and Bugeye would make an awesome Crack Pairing.)
For further analogies refer to The Magician's Nephew: remember that Polly and Diggory have the magic rings that transport them to an in-between world that connects England, Charn, Narnia and others. The basement-sort of area that makes up the last part of the game is the in-between world, and the ticket is an item that allows travel out of it. It does seem you can reach the between-world just by going underground far enough from the Carrebean pirate-world - Hollow World or The World Below maybe? But once they leave they revert back to being children (Year Inside, Hour Outside + whatever effect let it happen to the Pevenses) and they still remember everything. The magic/curse that affected LeChuck remained with him however. Possible explanation for the retcon in subsequent games: they find their way back. Perhaps they *want* to find their way back: LeChuck for the power, Guybrush for the adventure.
Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: The dream sequence. Okay, it is referenced later on as the solution to a puzzle but three games and 19 years later, we still have no idea why it happened or what the fuck it was supposed to mean.
My little pet theory on this has always been that the dream was a hallucination induced by Lechuck, who appears to Guybrush in the dream so that he can collect from him the things he needs to make the voodoo doll of him. The "dream Lechuck" that appears is really an astral projection of Lechuck.
- Our Guybrush, maybe still kiddie or adult, is actually an admitted patient in a psycho asylum. Since that day he as a kid went to that "Big Whoop Amusement Park" and wandered a bit too far, until he got into the staff area (where he may got in contact with a female park staff who tried to "help" him back to his parents, but he managed to slip further) and into underground tunnels.
- His big brother Chucky found him and tackled him first, and there has been some struggle. Their parents followed closely, but then am accident happened - something involving helium tanks or some stock explosive (the likes of which we saw in LeChuck's fortress before Guybrush blew it up.) - that killed his brother Chucky and his parents.
- Guybrush himself survived, but with guilt-induced trauma such great that he became insane and escaped into his delusional fantasy world, based on pirate-themed adventure in the amusement park that day, ever since.
- How many days, months or years have passed we may never know, but poor Guybrush is still living in all "piratey adventure" in his mind where his bigger, bully-type brother become created anew into the form of a ghost/undead/demon enemy which slayed his(their) parents - instead of the reality where Guybrush himself caused all their deaths.
- Then throw in some Voodoo, to make all of the situations that eventually lead to their fates more "magical" and out of Guybrush's control, with desire of a lost child seeking comfort and guidance from a mentor-parents substitute creating the Voodoo Lady.
- And thus followed his obsession to talk and interact with skeletons of his parents (or corpse-digging other people's parents for that matter).
- Then add in a romantic interest who is elder, more powerful women - just like the female staff he encountered on that day.
- And the ultimate ending of that adventure would most likely be: Guybrush reconciled with his brother Chucky after an epic fight where he wins, and they both return as kids just like in that big day's reality, then go home safely with their parents. The ending which, alas, will never become true. Never. Only fulfilling the "oracle" of Voodoo Lady to at last seek and bravely confront Big Whoop - the truth associated with his greatest guilt - could he redeem himself and his sanity, escape this world of delusion, and earn the true "happy ending" of the games.
- This theory also explains Guybrush's childlike personality - he's still stuck in the period of his life where he was a little boy playing pirates.
- GLaDOS: Don'tthinkaboutit Don'tthinkaboutit Don'tthinkaboutit...
- Wheatley: Hmmm, I'm going to say true.
- 42.
- Jossed by Return to Monkey Island.
- He said it would send Guybrush into 'a dimension of infinite pain'. You can't (Generally) die in Lucasarts adventure games and the voodoo doll's effects are very painful...
Also, Guybrush may have some other memory related problems. He has a hard time remembering the Voodoo Lady between games, for example. His fondness for telling long, very detailed stories of his adventures is not just his ego - it's the need to make sure he remembers exactly what happened.
- Jossed. According to Return, it's just another t-shirt.
- "I found the Secret of Monkey Island and all I got was this stupid T-shirt!"
- Confirmed... to an extent. At the end of Return to Monkey Island, Guybrush opens the chest of The Secret and it's a shirt with that exact quotation. Granted, the ambiguity on the authenticity of the ending is part of the point of the story, so The Secret might not be the T-shirt, but it might as well be.
- There's also the small matter of his coat changing colour from black to blue while he was in there.