Headscratchers / Tekken 3

• I've always been confused/curious of how Jin Kazama was conceived.
  • Jin was obviously conceived out of wedlock. Supposedly Jun had some sort of "soft spot" for Kazuya at some point, but there is never anything that suggests that the feeling was mutual or that the two were even in love. Kazuya clearly had his own issues going on and (from what I understand) didn't take part in his son's upbringing which is one of the reasons why Jin uses his mother's last name. So I guess my question is. . .was the conception of Jin consensual? Did Kazuya actually have affection for Jun at some point but left because he knew about his cursed bloodline and didn't want to involve her? Or did he, as they say, "have his way then go on his way"?
  • It was pretty much an "one night stand" with her, one would guess. The story of 6 does make it clear that their relationship was consensual - Kaz did feel attraction for Jun and viceversa. They most likely had a one night stand while competing in the second King of Iron Fist (Tekken 2), but then their relationship went to nowhere as Kaz was soon knocked out and dropped into a volcano by Hei (only to reappear several decades later, courtesy of the G Corporation) and Jun herself went missing after her fateful encounter with Ogre prior to the third tournament.
  • The problem with the idea that Kazuya and Jun had a consensual relationship/one night stand is that Jun hates Kazuya. Her backstory is that she is an animal rights activist who joined the tournament because she had heard that Kazuya was breeding genetically engineered fighting animals such as Roger and Alex and wanted to stop him. To go from that to having sex with the guy seems unlikely. And when you consider that the series narrative does seem to imply at several points that Jun and Angel are in fact the same person, then that leads us to the unfortunate conclusion that it was Devil and Angel as Kazuya and Jun that had sex in order to create Jin. Go and watch the end of the opening cinematic to Tekken 2: Angel clearly isn't lovingly embracing Devil there - that's a red-eyed Kazuya.
  • Jun doesn't hate Kazuya; she's pretty much the poster girl for All Girls Want Bad Boys within the franchise. She's been consistently portrayed as wanting to redeem Kazuya and free him from his own evil, in both Tekken 2 and now in Tekken 8. That should be a clear indicator that she truly loves him to some degree. If anything, Kazuya is more likely the one who hates Jun (not viceversa), or at the very least he despises her, given how he has completely given in to evil and scoffs at her attempts to redeem him, perhaps deeming such notions of redemption as "pathetic", not to mention he knows Jin (his enemy) was born out of his relationship with her. In Kazuya's Tekken Tag 2 ending, he necklifts Unknown's body (actually he grabs her by her face, but you get the idea) and drains her power/energy/lifeforce to boost his own Devil powers and then drops her like a lifeless, empty husk, flying away and leaving her to die there. Seriously, how would you think Jun hates Kazuya? It's more like 'the other way' around. However, Kazuya's descent into villainy was gradual, and at the time of Tekken 2, when he met Jun for the first time, may not have been complete (for sure he assimilated Devil into his own during the events of the fourth tournament, i.e. much later in the story). Kazuya may still have had some humanity back then, which might explain why he was attracted to Jun in the first place.
• If Paul went on to fight Ogre in the third tournament, does that mean Jin lost to him in the final then was chosen to fight True Ogre because he was second?
  • Possibly. Paul was the only one whose record in the third tournament was actually mentioned, but it's unknown how well Jin fared. Presumably, he'd have to be of high standing in the tournament ladder if he killed True Ogre after Paul finished bulldozing the rest of the competition.
• Eddy's father's plan to "protect" his son. Does he really think that prison would be safe? Or, more importantly, that being sent to prison for several years, possibly for life, would be better than simply going into hiding?
  • He must have known Christie's grandfather was in the knick, to get Eddy out of a riot and teach him Capoeira. That actually seems kind of believable.
• Why was Christie's Grandfather in Jail?
  • From an writer's standpoint, I'd say plot convenience. But it's possible he was framed.
• Jun dislikes deception, yet she tells her son if anything happened to her to find Heihachi. Not Michelle? Or Lei? Or Angel? Someone she should know all about how deceitful he is? What, the fact he keeps bears enough to sway her?
  • Is there any canon proof that Jun actually knows Michelle, Lei or Angel beyond beating them up at tournaments? and that supposes she actually faced them in the first place. What I have always wondered is why in-universe she didn't send him off to Asuka Kazama's family.
  • Supplemental material such as comics and films suggests she does, and if you look at Angel's ending it's strongly hinted that Jun is The Lancer to her. But if they're out let's look at the idea below, who does Jun get along with? Nina, retrospectively, and I think she was okay with Baek as well, as in more positive than most of the cast. But why Heihachi of all people? Just chalk it up to having horrible taste in men?
    • No, Jun is not The Lancer to Angel; Jun is The Hero of 2 while Angel is more of the Big Good. Jun is The Hero of Tekken 2 (because both Heihachi and Kazuya are evil, Jun is out to stop Kazuya while all the other fighters are side characters), and both Jun and Angel are working towards the same goal (redeeming or otherwise turning Kazuya good) but they are NOT teaming up, they aren't working in concert, and they are dealing with Kazuya's redemption in their own separate, independent ways — Jun is dealing directly with Kazuya, while Angel is dealing with Devil. In fact, while it is hinted that Angel is aware of Jun (in her ending), the reverse is not hinted to be true, Jun doesn't even seem to know about Angel's existence. The only connection between Jun and Angel is their common goal of redeeming Kazuya and that they both apparently can dispel the effects of the Devil Gene on him (a trait also shared with Asuka as seen in her Tekken 5 ending) but there is no connection or relationship between them otherwise. Even so, the Kazama's dispelling of the Devil Gene to "purify" the Mishimas is, as of Tekken 6, being treated as an Aborted Arc, with Asuka being entangled in a rivalry with Lili and Jun still "missing" while the Mishimas (including Jin, of course) are still feuding among themselves.
    • Now that you mention it, considering she doesn't seem to get along with Asuka in Tag tournament 2, it's possible she's estranged from that side of the family. It would explain why she never told Jin to go to them and sent him to Heihachi instead.
    • I headcanon the idea that the new Darker and Edgier Jun that we see in Tag 2 is actually the kind of agent that her Kazama clan intended her to be, as if it had removed all of her 'weakness' so to speak, and restored her to what was considered her default state, or prime. It's possible that the Kazama clan were rather ruthless in their morality and that Jun wasn't all flower power initially, but rather grew away from her clan and became the iconic caring Jun (possibly due to her relationship with Kazuya, or being a mother to Jin).
  • My guess, in response to why Jun told Jin to find Heihachi, was because Heihachi made her An Offer You Can't Refuse; either she allows Jin to be raised by him (and to be fair, he does raise Jin better than Kazuya... until Jin kills Ogre, ruining his latest scheme), OR he'll send Guns For Hire to drag Jin away if he's told to live with somebody else, and then would do only God knows what to him afterwards. Jun was caught between a rock and a hard place, and thus took the option that would give Jin more time to train before inevitably needing to come to blows with Heihachi.
  • He would have gone home short a couple of limbs if he tried. Jun kicked Devil's ass and could handily handle either Ogre. She wouldn't just break Heihachi's arm she'd rip it right off.
    • Ok, to add an ademendum to the last part, Jin would only go to Heihachi AFTER Jun died (which, thanks to Ogre, probably made it happen FAR faster than what Jun intended) - and again, if she sent Jin to somebody else, they wouldn't just face Heihachi chasing after them, but the entire TEKKEN Force, (which, in even the earliest games, were depicted as a full-fledged N.G.O. Superpower). In essence, if Jun sent Jin to Michelle or Lei, they would have a "You and What Army?" moment when Heihachi sics the TEKKEN Force on them - and likely would've lost in that moment too.