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Headscratchers: Kamen Rider Gaim
  • How come Bravo's pre-henshin song is the American-based guitar instead of the European-based trumpets? Gladiators were a European thing (Greece/Rome's European).
    • The Guitar sound seems to be the 'Evil' sound, since the only other rider to have it is Bushin Gaim from the movie
      • It seems to be a theme for Wild Card Riders who owe allegience to no side. The Riders to have used the theme so far are Bravo (who very much holds his own values above everything else), Blood Orange Gaim (who is a faction unto himself) and the mass-production Drivers that can be used (and potentially abused) by anyone.
  • In #6, after Kurokage and Gridon are defeated by Gaim and Ryugen respectively, they lose their lock seeds to them, requiring Ryoji and Hideyasu to buy new ones from Sid. However, why did Gaim not lose his lock seed to Zangetsu when Zangetsu defeated him? In the same way, why did Baron not lose his banana lock seed to Kurokage and Gridon when they defeat him?
    • Well, Gaim vs. Zangetsu was in Inves Forest, so it may not work there. As for when Kaito got taken out...maybe it only works when it's one Rider vs. one Rider?
    • It might have to do with the rank on their Seeds. If you notice, the Acorn and Pinecone Lockseeds are a different level (B and C respectively) compared to the other Lockseeds.
    • Gaim vs Zangetsu wasn't an official fight, Zangetsu just decided to try to kill Gaim because he didn't approve of him.
    • We have now seen that when a Rider loses to another Rider in Helheim forest, they don't lose their Lock Seeds to them like they do in their world. Still does not explain why Kaito didn't lose his banana Lock Seed when Ryoji and Hideyasu defeated him. Perhaps a possible explanation is that he was defeated by two Riders instead of being a one-on-one fight, thus the Lock Seed couldn't "decide" which Rider to go to amongst Kurokage and Gridon.
    • It might be because Kurokage and Gridon's Lock Seed classes where too low for that effect to work on Baron's Banana Lock Seed.
    • It could even be attributed to the two on one nature. Maybe the Lockseed wasn't sent to either because there wasn't a way to divide it between Gridon and Kurokage.
    • Lockseeds are only lost in Invess games fights. If it's just 1 on 1 then out in the street then it doesn't count. Gridon and Kurokage weren't technically in a match with Baron so he wouldn't have lost his lock.
  • Mitcchy's fight was broadcasted like Kouta's was. We've seen that at least 2 people from his school watch Invess games. Isn't he worried that someone from school might find out about him being a Beat Rider?
    • Would he honestly care? I think he cares more about if his brother would find out, and considering he didn't even look at the list of Riders...
    • #7 shows that DJ Sagara is connected to the Yggdrasill Corporation, monitoring the Riders and managing information control. One wonders why he is not telling Takatora either...
  • Team Gaim sure is successful as a dance unit...for only ever performing to the same song.
    • Oh for the love of... first of all, we don't follow them all the time. Also, like they said in #7, they're just doing it for fun; it's not a professional dance thing.
      • Point is, they have a large fanbase (with their own fan goods) that seems surprisingly content with their signature beat being played at every performance. Which has nearly become a once-per-episode occurrence (even dream!Mai dances to it).
    • Well we've established at least some people show up just for the Invess games or the Riders. Maybe they all just really like the song or don't care and just come to watch the dancing.
    • It's similar to how Otoya Kurenai is a master violinist who only ever plays one song.
  • Okay, so regular Lockseeds have the serials of LS-## and Energy ones have ELS-##. I get that. But what about the Kachidoki Lockseed and its KLS-##? What kind of seed-type is that?
    • Maybe a multitude of fruits? The shape of the Lockseed brings to mind a box of oranges (which is popular in Japan).
    • Bingo! New images show that the interior of the Lock Seed seems to include cuts of all of Gaim's fruits (Orange, Pineapple, Strawberry, Watermelon), and seemingly those of the New Generation Riders (Melon, Lemon, Peach, Cherry). It also has a hidden faceplate of Gaim's updated form, which requires a key to access. How this is going to be created, is ANYONE'S guess at this point. Interestingly, the multi-fruit cuts and faceplace are together, making it seem that the Kachidoki Lock grants two forms and not just one...
  • Are Energy Lockseeds artificial Lockseeds, or are they enhanced Lockseeds?
    • It seems like Ryoma made them based off the data he obtained from the various Locks the Beat Riders used.
  • How did the Beat Riders manage to jailbreak the Lockseeds?
    • As was stated in the episode Sid told them how to jailbreak the Lockseeds.
  • Did Kouta steal one of the mass-production Sengoku Drivers as well? Because I keep seeing people claim he did...
    • It was not shown that he has one. We only saw Baron steal a belt which will be used by Armored Rider Knuckle.
    • Yeah, many people got confused by Kaito grabbing the Spare Driver and then in the next scene see Kouta grab a Driver also. Thing is, that Driver is his own personal one, and that's where the confusion hits.
  • Since the Genesis Drivers don't have faceplates, what would happen is they switched lock seeds? For example is Zangetsu Shin capable of getting Lemon Energy Arms or would he just turn into Duke?
    • Well although we have no evidence one-way or another the most likely option is that the New Generation Rider would get the Arms.
    • Baron's Lemon Energy Arms has his own logo on it despite the logos being on the fruit armour so this pretty clearly indicates that they'd just being wearing each others armour. Not that it'll happen.
  • So the Beat Riders decide to hold a huge dance off to regain good press, but how exactly is that supposed to help them redeem themselves? And more to the point, why does them dancing suddenly get so much positive attention from people? As far as everyone knows, they are still responsible for the invading Invess. Shouldn't everyone still be bashing them, instead of the positive acclaim they got at the end of episode 18?
    • The summary I read gave me the impression that Mai was also getting the teams to swear off the Inves Game.
    • The city held the Beat Riders responsible for the Inves attacks, which they believe started because of the Inves Game, which in turn started as a way for the different teams to assert dominance over each other. By having all the teams dancing together, they're symbolically swearing off the Inves Game, and from there, apologizing for/shaking off the blame for the attacks.
  • So let me get this straight: Yggdrasil's goal is to prevent Helheim from taking over the world. Okay, logical... But then they decide to hand Lockseeds, devices that can rip open portals to Helheim, to kids who abuse them like no tomorrow and might cause more rips, something they don't want... Why? Sure, there's the fact that they want to scapegoat them when the invasion begins, but do they have anything to gain from that other than causing more rips which is detrimental to their goal? The Sengoku Drivers at least have a reason to be handed out to kids as they need test subjects, though why they don't decide to hand them to anyone who wants to fight the Inves, therefore helping their cause is up in the air. Needless to say, there's a lot of holes in Yggdrasil's plan.
    • The Drivers and Lockseeds can't open portals by themselves. The only way to create portals is to use a Lock Vehicle which was handed out by Sid but seen as major violation of their goals.
    • Since the cracks are opening naturally anyway (and speeding up, if Ryouma is to be believed), having the Beat Riders open more is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. As for the matter of their choices, they wanted a two step plan. A) Have a bunch of kid scapegoats that could be easily blamed when more Inves and cracks appear, it would be assumed to be their fault. And B) Eventually some would likely learn the truth like Kouta and Kaito. They, or Takatora to be specific would be hoping that a few would join up with them. Kaito might not, but Takatora seems to have trust in Kouta.
    • Takatora did state that the cracks were opening so fast, that they didn't have enough manpower. It's possible they just didn't have the test subjects in their group. The more that know, the larger the possibility of a security breach. Also the Lock Seeds being handled out were controlled, if Armored Rider wasn't an idiot like Oren, they have complete control over Inves. Like Kaito.
  • Or it could be that they're trying to find a way to control the cracks. Since Lockseeds open up cracks intentionally, Yggdrasil can actually monitor how, when and where the cracks open, along with figuring out a way to stop them permanently.
  • Why is it that, during a certain episode, Micchy would suddenly turn off an archived footage of Yuya turning Inves just as Kouta was watching said video? Aren't they both looking for their dance group's leader?
    • Because he doesn't want Kouta to know he killed his best friend.
    • You saw how Kouta reacted to Hase getting killed and him reacting to the city in Helheim! I'd imagine if he found out he killed Yuya, he'll go catatonic out of grief and guilt!
      • I was right. Kouta did not handle the fact his first Inves kill was really Yuuya very well.
  • Speaking of above, what the fuck was Yuya thinking?! Was it really necessary to eat that fruit?
    • It was shown multiple times that the fruit is VERY inciting, despite it looking like an alien spawn
    • Precisely. Be it the smell, or some other manipulation, everyone that sees the fruit has wanted to eat it. Kouta was about to also when he first saw it...until his attention was broken.
  • For all his talk about strength, and all everyone else talks up the character, why the hell has Baron LOST most of his fights? I get that he's trying to find strength, but you'd think he'd have some competence to start with.
    • Sometimes to find true strength, one must first realize how little they posses in the first place.
    • Classic jobbing. Look at a character like Vegeta, if you really want to see a jobber in action.
  • Oren has a Lockvechile and he knows it can be used to open a crack, how'd he get stuck in there?
    • Either due to Rule of Funny, or he forgot it (as in, he didn't have that particular seed on him when he jumped in). Considering how much information he's missing, it's not impossible, since he was unaware that wearing the belt and putting in lock seeds would have kept him fed.
  • Speaking of Oren, his being able to ignore the temptation of the Helheim fruit is interesting. It's been implied that the fruit is practically hypnotic in it's effect on people, and he had more reason than most to be susceptible due to already being hungry. Survival Training or not, how did he not fall under the fruit's spell?
    • Looking at 2 people who have eaten, we have Yuuya who is a teenager and wasn't informed of the fruit's effects and Hase who did know, but wanted power from it. On the other hand we have Oren, who is not only older, but has training that's drilled into him. Soldiers are broken down and built back up during the training process. Even then Oren shows signs of almost cracking, it's likely if given enough time he'd have succumb.
    • Part of his Hidden Depths. Just as in the beginning we see him as this wacky character but then he turns out to be an ex-military total Badass, it also turns out that his mind is strong enough that he shakes off the lure of the fruits even after he's gone a long time without eating.
  • Where has the consensus that Redyue is female come from? Is it due to an official statement? Translations of the Overlord Language or how Redyue speak Japanese since I can't seem to find an answer.
  • So wait, nobody noticed the massive pile of Lockseeds behind Mitsuzane? They weren't consumed, since there were no Inves beyond the Elementary Inves and almost everyone was focused on the stage after the fight... Unless Mitsuzane was a quick enough thinker to clean up after himself.
  • At the end of #28, Sid destroys the machines keeping Yggdrasill's artificial crack open. #29 reveals he also destroyed their supply of Cool Bikes, so they have to ask the Beat Riders to go after him. But then in #31, the Kurokage Troopers come flying in on Dandeliners. What.
    • I'm pretty sure Sid only destroyed their means into Helhem. Dandeliners cannot make cracks like the bikes.
    • However, it would be pretty stupid for Yggdrasil, or rather Ryouma, to not have those features out into them.
  • How did Ryoma remove his brain and put it into Hikaider's body and back into his own like putting a bandage on and taking it back off? There should be repercussions, like Ryoma's body being dead due to lack of said brain. And why did he think that was a good idea in the first place?
    • UmůHollywood Science? Artistic Licence Biology? Hey, is that a Komori Inves? Run for your life!
    • The Kikaider series is well known for people doing the same thing, so you can just Hand Wave it as just a homage as part of the crossover and leave it at that.
  • How the hell did Takatora beat the crap out of Micchy in their fight? We were told since the new riders appeared that sengoku drivers can't match the genesis driver, save for genesis cores attached or really powerful locks, ie Suika, Kachidoki, Kiwami. You can't even say it's because he's a better fighter because Kouta beat Oren with the genesis core, plus Sid was a crappy fighter but Kaito beat him easily once their powers were matched. It gets really ridiculous when Micchy had to fight dirty just to get the edge.
    • It is literally just the skill edge. Takatora was the first of the Gaim Riders so he's probably got months worth of training more than any of the others. It's also worth noting that Micchy hasn't actually been fighting as much as Kouta or the others for various reasons. His strength is more in his Manipulative Bastard abilities, to the point that his primary edge against Kouta was less the Zangetsu Shin powers and more putting Kouta into a Heroic BSOD by making him think Takatora had turned on him. So Micchy has less training than the other Riders because his skill is more in the ability to manipulate people, and he's going up against the very first of the Gaim Riders who probably has months if not a year more of training than even Kouta. It kind of makes sense that even the raw power of the Zangetsu Shin suit can't compensate enough for Micchy's inexperience, so Takatora gets the upper hand even though on paper his powers are weaker.
    • All of what you said was invalidated by what was already typed up. It's been shown that it doesn't matter whether you're a better fighter, genesis driver has you beat.
    • The answer is plain and simple Takatora was/is the better fighter. And there was no indication that Sid was a crappy fighter, although he was probably the weakest of the energy riders.
    • All of the Genesis Riders (minus Kaito) had to work together just to beat Takatora, and even then they had the element of surprise. He also managed to hold his own against Kachidoki arms briefly. Mitcchy in the same suit could barley take on Kaito and Kouta who was barley trying. Mitcchy is quite honestly a shitty fighter. Takatora, on the other hand is an amazing fighter.
  • Adding to that, Takatora was the previous Zangetzu Shin, and probably knew the abilities of the armour very well. He was also using another suit that he was very familiar with, and as we already mentioned before, he was up against an opponent that was simply an inferior fighter. Micchi had nothing in his favour in that fight except for raw firepower from the Genesis Driver, and a psychological edge from begin willing to cross lines that Takatora simply can't.
  • In episode 38, given there are 6 riders in Zawame, why did they send Peco and Mai out to collect supplies unguarded by a rider? While they certainly couldn't have seen Micchy coming, the city is literally crawling with Inves which could easily fatally wound them without a rider to protect them, and it has been well established that the Helheim fruits (which turn people into Inves) that are now in every corner of the city have an incredible alluring effect to non-Sengoku rider wearers. Surely they could have spared someone like Jonouchi to protect them from Inves/knock them out if they are attracted to Helheim fruits.
  • One thing that continues to bother me with each passing episode is: why hasn't Kouta given his Genesis Core to Kaito? Now that he has Kachidoki and Kiwami Arms, there's no real reason for him to keep using the Jinba forms, and it would be a heck of a lot easier for Baron to attach the Genesis Core when he's in a pinch than to completely switch Drivers each time.
    • Jinba forms have added bonuses his other forms don't like super senses and super speed. And Kaito could just remove the core from his Genesis driver and hook it up to his Sengoku driver
    • The problem with Kaito using just a Genesis core is the fact there's no costume made for him to upgrade to
  • Okay so with the Mysterious Girl being Mai. We all kinda knew it was coming. My beef, even when we didn't have confirmation, is why the hell didn't she just plainly say, "Don't use that driver or you *depends on who she's talking to*? I mean she doesn't even have the Homura excuse of she tried that and it didn't work. The only thing she gives are very cryptic not even helpful lines to the effect of, "Using that driver will see your fate." Let's run down a check list of all the things she could've said to each individual.
    • Kouta: "Hey Kouta, that monster there is a person, your best friend will grow up into a psychopath, and if you trust that DJ guy it'll fuck you over." And let's also keep in mind she could've popped up at anytime. She could've said to Kouta when he was depressed about killing Yuya, "Hey dude, Sagara is about to give you a power up, take that one then don't trust him anymore, it'll screw you over. Then go out and find those Overlord dudes and tell Takatora about them. Also, Micchy hates your guts at this point, do something about that."
    • Micchy: Hey, I know you like Mai and all, well try the direct approach, that doesn't work, get over it. Don't keep any secrets from your friends, it'll drive you crazy, and for fuck's sake, get a therapist."
    • Takatora: "Don't be an ass and try and kill Kouta, he'll be a good ally. Drop the ominous big bad b.s. . Take an actual interest in your brother's personal life and you both go to counseling. Also, beware of your obviously evil friends. It won't work out well."
    • Mai: "Micchy has an obvious crush on you, do something about it."
    • Oren: "Actually listen to the other riders, it'll save you a lot of time and make you be relevant and actually helpful earlier on."
    • Kaito: "Hey, Marvelous's emo understudy, I know you have a power boner and all but why don't you try not being a dick for once. It just might help you out in the long run."
    • She can't control the time travel nor what she says.
    • That doesn't make since though since Sagara AKA Helheim itself said she can do anything she wanted. Yet she can't do something simple as say something non cryptic. The Overlord Queen could talk normally. They bring up how she isn't saying what she wants but that's about it.
    • .... No, no he didn't. He said it was worth a shot and then told her altering time was hard to do even with the power of the fruit. Also the Queen wasn't fused with the power of the fruit and time travelling.
  • How did Minato transform into Marika using Ryoma's Genesis Driver? Even with the Peach Energy Lockseed the Genesis driver should still be using the base Duke body to make Duke Peach Energy Arms. It can't just be that the Lockseed determines the rider suit because both Baron and Duke have Lemon Energy Arms, so clearly the Driver must have a designated base suit that equips the Arms just like the Sengoku Drivers. So how did Minato get a different base body?
    • The official site, after they finally got around uploading a profile for Lemon Baron, months later, explains that Baron's Genesis Driver has data of the Sengoku Driver. So, Baron remains with the same form in spite of using Lemon Energy due to that data, while the other Genesis Driver belts depend on the lockseed used - Keep in mind that the transformation of the Genesis Riders is different from the original ones.The undersuit only appears when the Energy Arms itself reaches the user, while with the Sengoku Driver, the undersuit appears independently of the lockseed.Also, according to the official site, in spite of Lemon Baron not looking like an Energy Rider undersuit, it is supposed to be one, with the component names and descriptions being tweaked versions of Duke's (although modified when applicable, like Duke having some kind of superior multiplated leg armor that Baron's description doesn't mention since the suit doesn't have one physically - Baron's description just says that the leg armor becomes stronger) and often being mentioned as superior to the standard Sengoku Driver undersuit.
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