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* MeaningfulName: The island the prison is on, Carnate, like Incarnate.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: In the first game, Dr. Killjoy's and Horace's, as they can be over in a matter of ''seconds'' if you know what you're doing.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: In All the bosses in the first game, game are very easy. Especially [[PuzzleBoss Dr. Killjoy's and Horace's, as they Killjoy]], whose boss fight can be over in a matter of ''seconds'' if you know what you're doing.where all the projectors are.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: This series, particularly the first game, isn't subtle about how the prison system is cruel and dehumanizing for both inmates and guards.
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* FridgeBrilliance: In 'Ties That Bind,' the Creeper was (in life) a serial killer and pimp who would murder women, mostly prostitutes. He displays massive misogynistic tendencies, as well as an intense mistrust for women, and will encourage Torque to do the same. [[spoiler:And if you're playing on the Good side of things, Jordan betrays you, leaving the player with the possibility that the Creeper's twisted advice was actually useful.]]
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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
** In 'Ties That Bind,' the Creeper was (in life) a serial killer and pimp who would murder women, mostly prostitutes. He displays massive misogynistic tendencies, as well as an intense mistrust for women, and will encourage Torque to do the same. [[spoiler:And if you're playing on the Good side of things, Jordan betrays you, leaving the player with the possibility that the Creeper's twisted advice was actually useful.]]
** In 'Ties That Bind,' the Creeper was (in life) a serial killer and pimp who would murder women, mostly prostitutes. He displays massive misogynistic tendencies, as well as an intense mistrust for women, and will encourage Torque to do the same. [[spoiler:And if you're playing on the Good side of things, Jordan betrays you, leaving the player with the possibility that the Creeper's twisted advice was actually useful.]]
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** In ''Ties That Bind'', Dr. Killjoy sounds less husky and more clear. That's because he's now using relatively modern television technology, rather than old time projectors. So of course he'll have better sound quality.
* GoodBadBugs: When played on modern operating systems, Noosemen will fall through the floor when trying to attack Torque. This makes one of the most annoying and paranoia inducing enemies in the game completely harmless.
* GoodBadBugs: When played on modern operating systems, Noosemen will fall through the floor when trying to attack Torque. This makes one of the most annoying and paranoia inducing enemies in the game completely harmless.
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* {{Narm}}: The final boss fight against Blackmore should be a serious climax with your nemesis spouting taunts with his deep, soothing voice and occasionally casting lightning bolts at you... then you see his SuperMode, which sounds exactly like yours, but, instead of transforming into a hulking, blade-armed brute, his arms just extend and twist like bad rubber hose, making him look like he's scratching his head and crotch like a monkey or that he's doing a bad kung-fu pose. That, and his cowering gesture whenever you transform right in front of him can spoil the mood.
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* NightmareFuel: It's a goddamn SurvivalHorror game, ''were you expecting [[SweetDreamsFuel lollipops]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny laughter?!?!]]''
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* NightmareFuel: It's a goddamn SurvivalHorror game, ''were you expecting [[SweetDreamsFuel [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel lollipops]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments laughter?!?!]]''
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Depending on your actions, Torque himself can be responsible for beating Carmen to death, drowning Malcolm in the bathtub, and throwing Cory out the window to his death. What's worse, you can happily butcher every surviving C.O. and inmate you come across, revealing Torque to be an unrepentant mass murderer.]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Depending on your actions, Torque himself can be responsible for beating Carmen to death, drowning Malcolm in the bathtub, and throwing Cory out the window to his death. What's worse, you can happily butcher every surviving C.O. and inmate you come across, revealing Torque to be an unrepentant mass murderer.]]
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* CompleteMonster:CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Depending on your actions, Torque himself can be responsible for beating Carmen to death, drowning Malcolm in the bathtub, and throwing Cory out the window to his death. What's worse, you can happily butcher every surviving C.O. and inmate you come across, revealing Torque to be an unrepentant mass murderer.]]
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** ''The Suffering'': [[SoftSpokenSadist Hermes T. Haight]]—pronounced "hate"--is one of the many spirits haunting Carnate Island, and the most sadistic. In life, Hermes was the former executioner at Abbott State Penitentiary, where he killed prisoners in a variety of ways--including [[TheSpock Horace Gage]] via the electric chair, condemning him to a life as an electric phantom--before settling on [[DeadlyGas a clear, odorless gas]], having done so for decades. Becoming curious as to how his victims felt during the execution process, he studied their corpses and phone conversations before deciding to get a taste of his own gas, killing himself. As a spirit, he haunts Carnate, killing various prisoners and guards with his green gas, including ones trying to escape the island from the Malefactors. Attempting to make [[PlayerCharacter Torque]] unleash his inner beast, he later tries to kill him by trapping him in a gas-filled room. Near the end, [[EnemyMine he's forced to help Torque cross a gap]], doing so by gassing an escaping bus and using it as a bridge. A self-described professional [[JustFollowingOrders claiming to be doing his job]], Hermes enjoys the freedom death has given him in regards to killing people, managing to be worse than the actual monsters infesting Carnate.
** ''The Suffering: Ties That Bind'': [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain The Creeper]], originally Luther Stickwell, is a misogynistic, homophobic SerialKiller who haunts what's left of Baltimore. In life, Luther was a former pimp who abused, raped, and murdered several prostitutes before becoming a killer of women, with a body count ranging between 50 and 200. As the Creeper, he continues his killing spree, slaughtering women in a variety of ways, whether it be decapitating them, hanging them in the sewers, burning them alive, or impaling them from behind. He keeps the [[AndIMustScream still-living]] torsos of three women under his trench coat, using them as CombatTentacles to kill his victims. He loves bragging about his past exploits to Torque, seeing real men as strong and brutal. If Dr. Killjoy pits him against Torque, Creeper will be ecstatic about killing him, thinking that he's stealing his glory. A psychotic murderer who repulses many, the Creeper manages to outdo even [[BigBad Blackmore]] in evil.
** ''The Suffering'': [[SoftSpokenSadist Hermes T. Haight]]—pronounced "hate"--is one of the many spirits haunting Carnate Island, and the most sadistic. In life, Hermes was the former executioner at Abbott State Penitentiary, where he killed prisoners in a variety of ways--including [[TheSpock Horace Gage]] via the electric chair, condemning him to a life as an electric phantom--before settling on [[DeadlyGas a clear, odorless gas]], having done so for decades. Becoming curious as to how his victims felt during the execution process, he studied their corpses and phone conversations before deciding to get a taste of his own gas, killing himself. As a spirit, he haunts Carnate, killing various prisoners and guards with his green gas, including ones trying to escape the island from the Malefactors. Attempting to make [[PlayerCharacter Torque]] unleash his inner beast, he later tries to kill him by trapping him in a gas-filled room. Near the end, [[EnemyMine he's forced to help Torque cross a gap]], doing so by gassing an escaping bus and using it as a bridge. A self-described professional [[JustFollowingOrders claiming to be doing his job]], Hermes enjoys the freedom death has given him in regards to killing people, managing to be worse than the actual monsters infesting Carnate.
** ''The Suffering: Ties That Bind'': [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain The Creeper]], originally Luther Stickwell, is a misogynistic, homophobic SerialKiller who haunts what's left of Baltimore. In life, Luther was a former pimp who abused, raped, and murdered several prostitutes before becoming a killer of women, with a body count ranging between 50 and 200. As the Creeper, he continues his killing spree, slaughtering women in a variety of ways, whether it be decapitating them, hanging them in the sewers, burning them alive, or impaling them from behind. He keeps the [[AndIMustScream still-living]] torsos of three women under his trench coat, using them as CombatTentacles to kill his victims. He loves bragging about his past exploits to Torque, seeing real men as strong and brutal. If Dr. Killjoy pits him against Torque, Creeper will be ecstatic about killing him, thinking that he's stealing his glory. A psychotic murderer who repulses many, the Creeper manages to outdo even [[BigBad Blackmore]] in evil.
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* ParanoiaFuel: It's implied, particularly in the second game, that there's ''nowhere humans have lived'' that doesn't have an evil enough past for Malefactors to spawn there if something triggers them to.
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* ThatOneBoss: Hermes in the first game. Not because of the actual fight, which is [[AnticlimaxBoss very easy]], but because of the ''timing''. Once you've closed all the other vents, it should be a simple task of using the steam vent to blow him into the oven. But Hermes has a nasty habit of spawning in that vent then immediately moving away, making it a repetitive task of luring him back and trying to turn the steam valve before he flees. It turns what should be a twenty second boss fight into one that can last twenty minutes.
* ThatOneBoss: Hermes in the first game. Not because of the actual fight, which is [[AnticlimaxBoss very easy]], but because of the ''timing''. Once you've closed all the other vents, it should be a simple task of using the steam vent to blow him into the oven. But Hermes has a nasty habit of spawning in that vent then immediately moving away, making it a repetitive task of luring him back and trying to turn the steam valve before he flees. It turns what should be a twenty second boss fight into one that can last twenty minutes.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: In the first game, Dr. Killjoy's and Horace's, as they can be over in a matter of ''seconds'' if you know what you're doing.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The plot of ''Ties That Bind'' is basically the same as the first game. Torque dealing with amnesia and his insanity, while on a quest to learn whether or not he murdered his family. The problem is the first game's ending decisively answered that question. So it's possible to play through the series and, bizarrely, learn in the first game that Torque is innocent, then play ''Ties That Bind'' to learn he isn't.
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** The sound of a Gorger feeding is known to turn the stomachs of the hardiest players.
** The Creeper's voice would be terrifying even if his dialogue in the game was about fluffy puppies instead of his exploits as an abusive pimp and misogynistic serial killer.
** The sound of a Gorger feeding is known to turn the stomachs of the hardiest players.
** The Creeper's voice would be terrifying even if his dialogue in the game was about fluffy puppies instead of his exploits as an abusive pimp and misogynistic serial killer.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Dr. Killjoy. There's a reason he was brought back for the sequel.
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* DemonicSpiders: The Infernas were probably the all around fastest enemies in the game, could soak up a lot of damage, could hem you in by setting the ground on fire, possessed an area of effect attack, and always came in groups (and Jesus Christ, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment they were FAST]]!).
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* DemonicSpiders: The Infernas were probably the all around fastest enemies in the game, could soak up a lot of damage, could hem Infernas. They move extremely fast and are hard to hit, trail fire just by moving so you in by setting the ground on fire, possessed an rapidly run out of movement room, have both a direct and area of effect fire attack, and always came come in groups (and Jesus Christ, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment they were are FAST]]!).
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** NightmareRetardant: ...on the other hand, some players feel the ability [[MoreDakka to shoot them down with an]] ''[[GatlingGood M-60]]'' an M60]] kind of messes things up.
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* CompleteMonster:
** Luther Stickwell (a.k.a. "The Creeper") from the first game is a pimp, serial killer, paedophile, homophobe, murderous ghost... honestly, what can you say about a character that bonded three prostitutes to his stomach and turned them into CombatTentacles? And there was that one line: ''"Remember, blood's the '''best''' lubricant!"''
** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
** Luther Stickwell (a.k.a. "The Creeper") from the first game is a pimp, serial killer, paedophile, homophobe, murderous ghost... honestly, what can you say about a character that bonded three prostitutes to his stomach and turned them into CombatTentacles? And there was that one line: ''"Remember, blood's the '''best''' lubricant!"''
** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive.alive when found.
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The first game also had friendly allies that included both inmates and Corrections Officers. Heck, two C.O.s, Luthor and Sergei, were the nicest characters in the game.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: At least in the first game the outbreak is confined to Carnate Island. The only people there are [[SerialKiller Serial Killers]], mass murderers, and {{Jerkass}} Corrections Officers.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: At least in the first game the outbreak is confined to Carnate Island. The only people there are [[SerialKiller Serial Killers]], mass murderers, and {{Jerkass}} Corrections Officers.alive.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: At least in the first game the outbreak is confined to Carnate Island. The only people there are [[SerialKiller Serial Killers]], mass murderers, and {{Jerkass}} Corrections Officers.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind'': That Bind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind]]: besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind]]: ThatBind'': besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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** Luther Stickwell (a.k.a. "The Creeper") from the first game is a pimp, serial killer, paedophile, homophobe, murderous ghost... honestly, what can you say about a character that bonded three prostitutes to his stomach and turned them into CombatTentacles? And there was that one line: ''"Remember, blood's the '''best''' lubricant!"''
** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind]]: besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
** Luther Stickwell (a.k.a. "The Creeper") from the first game is a pimp, serial killer, paedophile, homophobe, murderous ghost... honestly, what can you say about a character that bonded three prostitutes to his stomach and turned them into CombatTentacles? And there was that one line: ''"Remember, blood's the '''best''' lubricant!"''
** Copperfield the Slavehunter from ''Ties ThatBind]]: besides his obsessive hunting of runaway slaves and their innocent ancestors, it's revealed that his hounds are starved before a hunt so that runaways will be horribly mauled or eaten alive when found.
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* DemonicSpiders: The Infernas were probably the all around fastest enemies in the game, could soak up a lot of damage, could hem you in by setting the ground on fire, possessed an area of effect attack, and always came in groups (and Jesus Christ, [[RedundancyDepartmentOfRedundancy they were FAST]]!).
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* DemonicSpiders: The Infernas were probably the all around fastest enemies in the game, could soak up a lot of damage, could hem you in by setting the ground on fire, possessed an area of effect attack, and always came in groups (and Jesus Christ, [[RedundancyDepartmentOfRedundancy [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment they were FAST]]!).
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* NightmareFuel: It's a goddamn SurvivalHorror game, ''were you expecting [[SweetDreamFuel lollipops]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny laughter?!?!]]''
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* NightmareFuel: It's a goddamn SurvivalHorror game, ''were you expecting [[SweetDreamFuel [[SweetDreamsFuel lollipops]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny laughter?!?!]]''
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* NightmareFuel: ''It's a goddamn horror game''.
** NightmareRetardant: ...on the other hand, some players feel the ability to shoot them down with an ''M-60'' kind of messes things up.
** NightmareRetardant: ...on the other hand, some players feel the ability to shoot them down with an ''M-60'' kind of messes things up.
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* NightmareFuel: ''It's It's a goddamn horror game''.
SurvivalHorror game, ''were you expecting [[SweetDreamFuel lollipops]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny laughter?!?!]]''
** NightmareRetardant: ...on the other hand, some players feel the ability [[MoreDakka to shoot them down withan ''M-60'' an]] ''[[GatlingGood M-60]]'' kind of messes things up.
** NightmareRetardant: ...on the other hand, some players feel the ability [[MoreDakka to shoot them down with
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** If you read Ranse Truman's note during the load screen of "Lifetime Companion" and then finish your playthrough under Evil morality, you will realize what Ranse meant in his writing...
** If you read Ranse Truman's note during the load screen of "Lifetime Companion" and then finish your playthrough under Evil morality, you will realize what Ranse meant in his writing...
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** The Creeper's voice would be terrifying even if his dialogue in the game was about fluffy puppies instead of about his exploits as an abusive pimp and misogynistic serial killer.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: At least in the first game the outbreak is confined to Carnate Island. The only people there are [[SerialKiller Serial Killers]], mass murderers, and {{Jerkass}} Corrections Officers.