History YMMV / TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012

19th Jun '17 5:23:53 PM jameygamer
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* CatharsisFactor: In the ''When Worlds Collide'' two-parter, Agent Bishop really picked up the JerkAssBall, from attacking the Mona Lisa and her commander without trying to understand the situation to insulting and blaming her and the Salamandrians for [[spoiler: Lord Dregg's attack on Earth]]. Towards the end, when [[spoiler: Mona Lisa decides to stay on Earth to be closer to Raphael, Agent Bishop objects angrily and this time gets his head punched off by Raph in a satisfying manner, promptly shutting him down after behaving like a JerkAss for much of the two-parter]].

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* CatharsisFactor: In the ''When Worlds Collide'' two-parter, Agent Bishop really picked up the JerkAssBall, from attacking the Mona Lisa and her commander without trying to understand the situation to insulting and blaming her and the Salamandrians for [[spoiler: Lord Dregg's attack on Earth]]. Towards the end, when [[spoiler: Mona Lisa decides to stay on Earth to be closer to Raphael, Agent Bishop objects angrily and this time gets his head punched off by Raph in a satisfying manner, promptly shutting him down after behaving like a JerkAss for much of the two-parter]].
19th Jun '17 11:37:29 AM overman2099
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** On some level, the Newtralizer is supposed to be one of the more serious villains in the show. As a Salamandrian assassin, he's a brutal and powerful WalkingArmory who's a tough match for the Turtles and has little regard for whether or not he harms innocent people. He's also the one who [[spoiler: took Sal Commander's eye]]. However, every time he opens his mouth and says "Rokka Rokka," the Newtralizer comes off as less of a KnightOfCerebus and more of a goofy reptilian version of [[TheMuppets Fozzy Bear]].

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** On some level, the Newtralizer is supposed to be one of the more serious villains in the show. As a Salamandrian assassin, he's a brutal and powerful WalkingArmory who's a tough match for the Turtles and has little regard for whether or not he harms innocent people. He's also the one who [[spoiler: took Sal Commander's eye]]. However, every time he opens his mouth and says "Rokka Rokka," the Newtralizer comes off as less of a KnightOfCerebus and more of a goofy reptilian version of [[TheMuppets Fozzy Fozzie Bear]].
19th Jun '17 11:33:44 AM overman2099
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** On some level, the Newtralizer is supposed to be one of the more serious villains in the show. As a Salamandrian assasin, he's brutal and powerful WalkingArmory who's a tough match for the Turtles and has little regard for whether or not he harms innocent people. He's also the one who [[spoiler: took Sal Commander's eye]]. However, every time he opens his mouth and says "Rokka Rokka," the Newtralizer comes off as less of a KnightOfCerebus and more of a goofy reptilian version of [[TheMuppets Fozzy Bear]].

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** On some level, the Newtralizer is supposed to be one of the more serious villains in the show. As a Salamandrian assasin, assassin, he's a brutal and powerful WalkingArmory who's a tough match for the Turtles and has little regard for whether or not he harms innocent people. He's also the one who [[spoiler: took Sal Commander's eye]]. However, every time he opens his mouth and says "Rokka Rokka," the Newtralizer comes off as less of a KnightOfCerebus and more of a goofy reptilian version of [[TheMuppets Fozzy Bear]].
19th Jun '17 11:32:23 AM overman2099
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** On some level, the Newtralizer is supposed to be one of the more serious villains in the show. As a Salamandrian assasin, he's brutal and powerful WalkingArmory who's a tough match for the Turtles and has little regard for whether or not he harms innocent people. He's also the one who [[spoiler: took Sal Commander's eye]]. However, every time he opens his mouth and says "Rokka Rokka," the Newtralizer comes off as less of a KnightOfCerebus and more of a goofy reptilian version of [[TheMuppets Fozzy Bear]].
19th Jun '17 11:19:57 AM overman2099
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* CatharsisFactor: In the ''When Worlds Collide'' two-parter, Agent Bishop really picked up the JerkAssBall, from attacking the Mona Lisa and her commander without trying to understand the situation to insulting and blaming her and the Salamandrians for [[spoiler: Lord Dregg's attack on Earth]]. Towards the end, when [[spoiler: Mona Lisa decides to stay on Earth to be closer to Raphael, Agent Bishop objects angrily and this time gets his head punched off by Raph in a satisfying manner, promptly shutting him down after behaving like a JerkAss for much of the two-parter]].
14th Jun '17 12:45:47 AM Chris116
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** [[spoiler: Bradford likes his mutation into Rahzar despite it being much more horrific looking than his Dog Pound mutation, since it allowed him to regain some of his ninja speed. Subverted in "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman", where it is shown he still wants to be human again.]]

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** [[spoiler: Bradford likes his mutation into Rahzar despite it being much more horrific looking than his Dog Pound mutation, since it allowed him to regain some of his ninja speed. Subverted in "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman", where it is shown that while he's more comfortable in his Rahzar form, he still wants to be human again.]]



** The transition to short arcs for the duration of the final season. While some fans are pleased that this will prevent ArcFatigue that has plagued the series since its' beginning, other fans see it as a sign of failure on the writers' part since they've been unable to maintain long story arcs like the show's 2003 predecessor.



** "Mikey Gets Shellacne" is started by Michelangelo using prototype Retro-Mutagen on himself, which will have the side effect of making him explode due to the incompleteness of it, because he completely ignored the labels telling him ''not to use it''. To a more minor extent, the other characters ignore Mikey thanks to him messing up when he says that Baxter is probably at his lab, which, considering Baxter's personality, [[DumbassHasAPoint actually wouldn't be very far-off]]. The entire episode ends up resulting in [[spoiler:a far more powerful Chris Bradford, who mutated into Rahzar thanks to it]].

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** "Mikey Gets Shellacne" is started by Michelangelo using prototype Retro-Mutagen on himself, which will have the side effect of making him explode due to the incompleteness of it, because he completely ignored the labels telling him ''not to use it''. To a more minor extent, the other characters ignore Mikey thanks to him messing up when he says that Baxter is probably at his lab, which, considering Baxter's personality, [[DumbassHasAPoint actually wouldn't be very far-off]]. The entire episode ends up resulting in [[spoiler:a a far more powerful Chris Bradford, who mutated into Rahzar thanks to it]].it.


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** Some of the mutant names bestowed upon the Turtles' allies and foes by Mikey come off as grating and forced. Mikey coming up with the name "Rahzar" in particular is rather cringeworthy ("rah yourself, you razor-faced dog") and later boasts that "they" call him Rahzar now. Some fans prefer to call the mutants by their human names (particularly Fishface, since Xever Montes is a AwesomeMcCoolName in the first place). WordOfGod clarified that behind the scenes, the crew calls the mutants by whatever name comes to mind, but as far as official production and credits, the characters are credited by their mutant name (or most current form in the case of Rahzar).
28th May '17 4:31:24 PM ShorinBJ
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** Donatello. You either think his crush on April is cute or {{Squick}}. His crush on April was viewed by fans as cute and even endearing during early season one, then suddenly it stopped being referenced to for a few episodes, then it came back but extremely flanderized. More focus starts getting put on it and we get to see [[TheSmartGuy Donnie]] makes less than [[IdiotBall rational]] choices because of it. Then there was Operation: Breakout. Raph tells Donnie to leave him out of his attempts at impress April. (Raph clearly didn't like being used like that and was offering some [[SincerityMode advise he seemed to think was helpful.]]) So what does Donnie do? He basically goes [[spoiler: on a VERY dangerous rescue mission, [[WhatAnIdiot by himself]], without [[TooDumbToLive telling anybody]], to get April's dad away from the Kranng. Not only that but he almost gets himself and Mr. O'Neil killed multiple times.]] All to impress April.

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** Donatello. You either think his crush on April is cute or {{Squick}}. His crush on April was viewed by fans as cute and even endearing during early season one, then suddenly it stopped being referenced to for a few episodes, then it came back but extremely flanderized. More focus starts getting put on it and we get to see [[TheSmartGuy Donnie]] makes less than [[IdiotBall rational]] choices because of it. Then there was Operation: Breakout. Raph tells Donnie to leave him out of his attempts at impress April. (Raph clearly didn't like being used like that and was offering some [[SincerityMode advise advice he seemed to think was helpful.]]) So what does Donnie do? He basically goes [[spoiler: on a VERY dangerous rescue mission, [[WhatAnIdiot by himself]], without [[TooDumbToLive telling anybody]], to get April's dad away from the Kranng.Kraang. Not only that but he almost gets himself and Mr. O'Neil killed multiple times.]] All to impress April.



** Seth Green's voice as Leo in Season 3. Whereas Dominic Catrambone managed to sound almost exactly like Jason Biggs, Seth Green sounds nowhere near it, being borderline baritone. Some don't mind it, others do. At the very least, it's given a reason for why it happened, in contrast to many other cartoons that change voice actors without the in-universe characters noting the change: [[spoiler:Shredder damaged his vocal chords to the point of being unrepairable.]]

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** Seth Green's voice as Leo in Season 3. Whereas Dominic Catrambone managed to sound almost exactly like Jason Biggs, Seth Green sounds nowhere near it, being borderline baritone. Some don't mind it, others do. At the very least, it's given a reason for why it happened, in contrast to many other cartoons that change voice actors without the in-universe characters noting the change: [[spoiler:Shredder damaged his vocal chords cords to the point of being unrepairable.]]



*** April manages to do it again just two episodes later in "The Croaking" in which she acts as an instigator towards Mikey's bad behaviour. Kid trashes the house multiple times (making a mess with thrown around food, wasting said food, AND breaking furniture) in which his brothers understandably get mad and [[TeamDad Raph leaves him to clean up the mess]]. When Mikey [[spoiler: runs away from the group]] April blames every other member but herself, trying to claim the event was caused by mistreatment that [[UnreliableNarrator was never shown onscreen]]. She then takes it a step further and unrightfully yells at Raph for being "inconsiderate", despite the fact he had to take up a lot of responsibility after [[WhamEpisode the season two finale]] and was acting as a ReasonableAuthorityFigure when he decided to make Mikey clean up his mess. All of this and the fact that her words seemed to genuinely hurt Raph has caused... negative reactions to say the least.

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*** April manages to do it again just two episodes later in "The Croaking" in which she acts as an instigator towards Mikey's bad behaviour.behavior. Kid trashes the house multiple times (making a mess with thrown around food, wasting said food, AND breaking furniture) in which his brothers understandably get mad and [[TeamDad Raph leaves him to clean up the mess]]. When Mikey [[spoiler: runs away from the group]] April blames every other member but herself, trying to claim the event was caused by mistreatment that [[UnreliableNarrator was never shown onscreen]]. She then takes it a step further and unrightfully yells at Raph for being "inconsiderate", despite the fact he had to take up a lot of responsibility after [[WhamEpisode the season two finale]] and was acting as a ReasonableAuthorityFigure when he decided to make Mikey clean up his mess. All of this and the fact that her words seemed to genuinely hurt Raph has caused... negative reactions to say the least.



** Even by this shows standards, "Pizza Face" is just...out there.

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** Even by this shows show's standards, "Pizza Face" is just...out there.



** The quality of this version of the turtles is arguably the most divided when it comes to the fans reactions of the whole franchise.

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** The quality of this version of the turtles is arguably the most divided when it comes to the fans fans' reactions of the whole franchise.



** While fans rejoiced that Bebop and Rocksteady are finally appearing, they are heavily divided over 2 things. The first is their [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140501013812/tmnt/images/a/ab/Bebop%26Rocksteady.jpg drastically different character designs]]. The second thing is the fact that they're completely different characters from the other versions. Basically, instead of the lovable idiots from the 80's and comics universes, Bebop is an eccentric hi-tech thief who speaks in slang, and Rocksteady is a Russian arms dealer, who is also a collector of antique military weapons, and is after Shredder's helmet.

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** While fans rejoiced that Bebop and Rocksteady are finally appearing, they are heavily divided over 2 things. The first is their [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140501013812/tmnt/images/a/ab/Bebop%26Rocksteady.jpg drastically different character designs]]. The second thing is the fact that they're completely different characters from the other versions. Basically, instead of the lovable idiots from the 80's 80s and comics universes, Bebop is an eccentric hi-tech thief who speaks in slang, and Rocksteady is a Russian arms dealer, who is also a collector of antique military weapons, and is after Shredder's helmet.



** The fact that the Kraang as a whole have seem to have replaced long time BigBad Shredder as the main villain of the entire series.

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** The fact that the Kraang as a whole have seem to have replaced long time longtime BigBad Shredder as the main villain of the entire series.



** The show being much more heavily MerchandiseDriven, and seeing as that influenced both of the previous TMNT cartoons that's saying a lot. Every single episode either introduces a new mutant or mutates a previously established character [[spoiler: even if they're already a mutant in characters like Bradford's case]], and even ones that don't somehow find a way to get a new form or costume in for one of the characters which appear in the toyline a few months later. While not so bad in more story-centric episodes, it also has led to many MonsterOfTheWeek filler episodes, most infamously the first third of season 3, which derail the story completely just to bring in yet another mutant. Combine that with the number of times the show has gone on hiatus and it's led many people to start losing interest.
*** To a lesser extent, it becomes relatively obvious that they try to dress-up the Turtles with their various outfits at least once a season (most notably their {{LARP}} outfits and Mikey's Turflytle costume) to promote their EnvironmentSpecificActionFigure, which often leads to filler episodes and BigLippedAlligatorMoment to justify it.

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** The show being much more heavily MerchandiseDriven, and seeing as that influenced both of the previous TMNT cartoons cartoons, that's saying a lot. Every single episode either introduces a new mutant or mutates a previously established character [[spoiler: even if they're already a mutant in characters like Bradford's case]], and even ones that don't somehow find a way to get a new form or costume in for one of the characters which appear in the toyline a few months later. While not so bad in more story-centric episodes, it also has led to many MonsterOfTheWeek filler episodes, most infamously the first third of season 3, which derail the story completely just to bring in yet another mutant. Combine that with the number of times the show has gone on hiatus and it's led many people to start losing interest.
*** To a lesser extent, it becomes relatively obvious that they try to dress-up dress up the Turtles with their various outfits at least once a season (most notably their {{LARP}} outfits and Mikey's Turflytle costume) to promote their EnvironmentSpecificActionFigure, which often leads to filler episodes and BigLippedAlligatorMoment to justify it.



** The various [[ScheduleSlip hiatuses]], especially in Season 4. Fans are starting to lose their patience and beginning to wonder if the show's even worth waiting for considering the sheer amount of times they happen. Not helping the fact is that sometimes only four or three episodes will air before the show takes a break for well over ''two months''. Other fans, however, don't mind the various breaks; given the quality of the show and how much time and effort it takes for each episode, some people assume the hiatuses are necessary for the sake of ironing out any errors. Said fans also realize that as the show progresses, more characters are introduced and more fight scenes occur, thus resulting in more time for animation for said scenes and characters. Then there are the fans who do have a problem with the hiatuses, but put up with them [[BetterOnDVD and just binge-watch each season after they're complete]].

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** The various [[ScheduleSlip hiatuses]], especially in Season 4. Fans are starting to lose their patience and beginning to wonder if the show's even worth waiting for considering the sheer amount of times they happen. Not helping the fact is that sometimes only four or three episodes will air before the show takes a break for well over ''two months''. Other fans, however, don't mind the various breaks; given the quality of the show and how much time and effort it takes for each episode, some people assume the hiatuses are necessary for the sake of ironing out any errors. Said fans also realize that as the show progresses, more characters are introduced and more fight scenes occur, thus resulting in more time for animation for said scenes and characters. Then there are the fans who do have a problem with the hiatuses, but put up with them [[BetterOnDVD and just binge-watch each season after they're complete]]. And some fans don't even notice, because they just wait for it all to come out on DVD.
28th May '17 4:21:35 PM ShorinBJ
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** Karai after ''Enemy of My Enemy''. While she has every reason to be angry at the turtles, it doesn't change the fact that she's knowingly and willingly helping the Kraang take over the world just to get revenge on the turtles.

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** Karai after ''Enemy of My Enemy''. While she has every reason to be angry at the turtles, it doesn't change the fact that she's knowingly and willingly helping the Kraang take over the world just to get revenge on the turtles. Then she tries to kill April, just to take away someone the turtles and Splinter care about. No matter that she believes Splinter killed her mother, only a truly evil person would do this.
22nd May '17 5:29:22 PM jameygamer
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** Hattori Tatsu quickly established himself as a new, competent, very strong villain for both Karai and the Turtles, [[BlindWeaponmaster despite being bind]]. The show seemed like it was setting up Tatsu to [[spoiler:replace Shredder]] and be an ArcVillain for Karai or a DiscOneFinalBoss in general. Instead, [[spoiler:he's killed by Kavaxas in the same episode as his debut, thus eliminating any chance of him returning in Season 5]].

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** Hattori Tatsu quickly established himself as a new, competent, very strong villain for both Karai and the Turtles, [[BlindWeaponmaster despite being bind]].blind]]. The show seemed like it was setting up Tatsu to [[spoiler:replace Shredder]] and be an ArcVillain for Karai or a DiscOneFinalBoss in general. Instead, [[spoiler:he's killed by Kavaxas in the same episode as his debut, thus eliminating any chance of him returning in Season 5]].
19th May '17 8:42:46 PM Etheru
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** Xever/Fishface is slightly more popular than his partner Chris Bradford/Dogpound, due in part to having a more [[DanceBattler visually appealing, unique fighting style]]. It probably helps that the audience learns far more about him than they've learned about his partner. [[spoiler:He's also lasted longer than any of the other Foot Clan members in the Shredder's inner circle, the others having either defected or just outright died.]]

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** Xever/Fishface is slightly more popular than his partner Chris Bradford/Dogpound, due in part to having a more [[DanceBattler visually appealing, unique fighting style]]. It probably helps that the audience learns far more about him than they've learned about his partner. [[spoiler:He's also also, come Season 5, lasted longer than any almost all of the other Foot Clan members in the Shredder's inner circle, the others having either defected or just outright died.]]
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