History YMMV / Survivor

3rd Feb '18 10:33:20 PM MummyGaGa
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** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', Zeke ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie.

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** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', Zeke ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie.
3rd Feb '18 10:31:58 PM MummyGaGa
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** According to Jeff Probst, the universally panned Final Four twist in ''Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers'' was added to the game for the more savvy players to make it to the end and win in which in that same reason why production changed the final two to the final three. While the final three has a huge BrokenBase in itself, it lacks many of the complaints that the final four twist has such as undermining the significance of winning the final immunity, and removing fundamental social strategy from the game.

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** According to Jeff Probst, the universally panned Final Four twist in ''Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers'' was added to the game for the more savvy players to make it to the end and win in which in that is the same reason why production changed the final two to the final three. While the final three has a huge BrokenBase in itself, it lacks many of the complaints that the final four twist has such as undermining the significance of winning the final immunity, and removing fundamental social strategy from the game.



** John Cochran from ''South Pacific'' and ''Caramoan'' has a considerable hatedom on several Survivor boards, due to his insufferable personality and sexism, as well as flipping on his tribe, leading to a very predictable post merge in South Pacific. He also admitted to playing up the "bullying" storyline to the cameras so he would get more screentime and to be edited as an underdog. Despite this, he was brought back for ''Caramoan'' as a "Favorite", and had several things go his way: his tribe consisted of his friends, he got several advantages, and he rode to the end for an easy win.



** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', both Zeke and Brett ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett stating that he does not want to go with rocks and only David wanted to go with rocks despite it being a group decision to go with rocks. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie.

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** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', both Zeke and Brett ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett stating that he does not want to go with rocks and only David wanted to go with rocks despite it being a group decision to go with rocks.Brett. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie.



** Ben from the same season above. The poor man is an ex-Marine who has seen actual combat and suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder cannot hang around a campfire when the sticks start to snap and pop in the flames, because it makes him think of explosions going off. He tells us in confessionals that he regrets a lot of things he did or couldn't do in the Marines. Then Joe finds the stones to mouth off to him and berate his loyalty to the Marine code, which absolutely ''infuriates'' Ben and gets them into a bitter rivalry. Worse, his decision to make a drastic move under the guidance of Devon backfires when Chrissy becomes extremely territorial and rejects him for causing JP to be booted out despite using that as a springboard to eliminate Joe- which was all Devon's idea. Ben gets to see his wife on the family reunion challenge... and Chrissy wins. Chrissy snubs the ''hell'' out of him and prevents him from being with his wife. Not only does Chrissy turn herself into TheScrappy in doing so, but that encourages Ben to inflict a little {{Revenge}} on Chrissy, concoct a fake Hidden Immunity Idol to go along with the real one he just found, and raise a stink back at camp. Ben goes wild and causes his whole tribe to lose faith in him and he has to play his idol... managing to block a ''complete and total shut-out vote'' against him, eliminating Lauren in a lucky break (and due in part to her own IdiotBall incident). But that leaves Ben still on the outs and very much erratic and backslid to his days of doing bad things he regrets.

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** Ben from the same season above. The poor man is an ex-Marine who has seen actual combat and suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder cannot hang around a campfire when the sticks start to snap and pop in the flames, because it makes him think of explosions going off. He tells us in confessionals that he regrets a lot of things he did or couldn't do in the Marines. Then Joe finds the stones to mouth off to him and berate his loyalty to the Marine code, which absolutely ''infuriates'' Ben and gets them into a bitter rivalry. Worse, his decision to make a drastic move under the guidance of Devon backfires when Chrissy becomes extremely territorial and rejects him for causing JP to be booted out despite using that as a springboard to eliminate Joe- which was all Devon's idea. Ben gets to see his wife on the family reunion challenge... and Chrissy wins. Chrissy snubs the ''hell'' out of him and prevents him from being with his wife. Not only does Chrissy turn herself into TheScrappy in However, doing so, but that so encourages Ben to inflict a little {{Revenge}} on Chrissy, concoct a fake Hidden Immunity Idol to go along with the real one he just found, and raise a stink back at camp. Ben goes wild and causes his whole tribe to lose faith in him and he has to play his idol... managing to block a ''complete and total shut-out vote'' against him, eliminating Lauren in a lucky break (and due in part to her own IdiotBall incident). But that leaves Ben still on the outs and very much erratic and backslid to his days of doing bad things he regrets.
21st Jan '18 7:55:51 AM MummyGaGa
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** 2017 can be viewed as this for Survivor thanks to the game having many [[ScrappyMechanic Scrappy Mechanics]] during the year that screwed over fan favorites such as Malcolm, Cirie, and Devon out of the game. It is not common for many fans to fear that this show is becoming like ''Series/BigBrother''.



** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', both Zeke and Brett ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett stating that he does not want to go with rocks and only David wanted to go with rocks despite it being a group decision to go with rocks. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie,.

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** Also from ''Millennials vs. Gen X'', both Zeke and Brett ended up gaining some haters for going after David with his anxiety issues along with Brett stating that he does not want to go with rocks and only David wanted to go with rocks despite it being a group decision to go with rocks. In addition, Zeke failed to live up some hype Jeff Probst stated about him stating that he was the main reason the main reason to watch this season and was overshadowed by players such as David, Adam, Michaela, and Jay. It only got worst he was cast for Survivor: Game Changers instead of some of the more popular male castaways of his first season. Out of the two of them, only Zeke got pulled out from the scrappy heap in Game Changers... for a bit as he regained his status as a {{Scrappy}} character due to his idiotic betrayal of Andrea and Cirie,.Cirie.



** The final four twist in ''Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers'' where the final immunity winner gets to pick one person to come with them in the end, and the other two get to make fire. After Ben has won, there has been many accusations of Survivor rigging the game for Ben to win, and Devon getting screwed over.

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** The final four twist in ''Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers'' where the final immunity winner gets to pick one person to come with them in the end, and the other two get to make fire. After Ben has won, there has been many accusations of Survivor rigging the game for Ben to win, and Devon getting screwed over. Not only that, but the twist has almost been complained for removing the significance of winning the final immunity challenge as well as any of the social strategy.


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* TaintedByThePreview:
** ''South Pacific'' was hit hard by this. After coming out what is considered to be a very poorly received season, many fans were upset that Jeff Probst tries to recreate that season.
** ''Caramoan'' and ''Game Changers'' was also hit hard by this as well thanks to the [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choices]] those seasons had. Even more so when the spoilers were leaked for the latter's season when many fans were upset that the more "game-changing" castaways went out pre-merge.
18th Jan '18 11:52:11 AM MummyGaGa
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A major criticism for Redemption Island, South Pacific, and One World is the amount of pagonging (aka a strategy that was invented in the first season) those seasons and how certain alliances that were made very early in the game went to the end together (which happened in the first season as well). Nobody complained about this in Borneo since the show was more about the adventure then strategy at the time but with the show increasingly becoming more about strategy, more people complained about that. The seasons afterwords seems to realize this and does certain things to avoid this problem by either featuring contestants who had a previous relationship of sorts (either through having at least one tribe full of returning players, doing a Blood vs. Water season, or both), doing seasons with three tribes in them, or both.

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A major criticism for Redemption Island, South Pacific, and One World is the amount of pagonging (aka a strategy that was invented in the first season) those seasons and how certain alliances that were made very early in the game went to the end together (which happened in the first season as well). Nobody complained about this in Borneo since the show was more about the adventure then strategy at the time but with the show increasingly becoming more about strategy, more people complained about that. The seasons afterwords seems to realize this and does certain things to avoid this problem by either featuring contestants who had a previous relationship of sorts (either through having at least one tribe full of returning players, doing a Blood vs. Water season, or both), doing seasons with three tribes in them, or both.both.
** According to Jeff Probst, the universally panned Final Four twist in ''Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers'' was added to the game for the more savvy players to make it to the end and win in which in that same reason why production changed the final two to the final three. While the final three has a huge BrokenBase in itself, it lacks many of the complaints that the final four twist has such as undermining the significance of winning the final immunity, and removing fundamental social strategy from the game.
6th Jan '18 9:00:00 AM Maddoxsort
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** ''All-Stars'': The bigger threats (read, winners and strategists) were voted out Pre-Merge. And due to contestants having a tight bond in the show, the castaways took the game personally, leading to a Final Tribal Council that mostly consist of [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Reason Why You Speeches]]. Not help by the fact that the winner being one of the more irrelevant contestants of the series who mostly gotten votes because of jury hating the other finalist, who redeemed his eligibility in the fanbase.

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** ''All-Stars'': The bigger threats (read, winners and strategists) were voted out Pre-Merge. And due to contestants having a tight bond in the show, the castaways took the game personally, leading to a Final Tribal Council that mostly consist of [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Reason Why You Speeches]]. Not help by the fact that the winner being one of the more irrelevant contestants of the series who had mostly gotten votes because of jury hating the other finalist, who redeemed his eligibility in the fanbase.
6th Jan '18 8:58:42 AM Maddoxsort
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*** The final four Immunity Challenge and subsequent firemaking challenge
6th Jan '18 8:57:53 AM Maddoxsort
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** The other options in the tackle box on the ''Exile'' ship that Debbie got to choose from when she picked the extra vote. They were a fake idol kit and an advantage for her tribe at her next immunity challenge. By principle, she could only choose one. The fake idol kit was especially interesting because it took away the difficulty of passing off a phony idol in a creative way.
** As literally as you can get with this trope, the extra vote Lauren obtained in ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was wasted on her because she neglected to bring it with her to Tribal Council and told people about it. Not only that, she had a two-piece idol that she split with Mike... who then tossed his half into the fire. Lauren blew ''two'' advantages in one night ''and'' got eliminated by the use of an idol by Ben.
** Subverted with the Super Idol of ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers''. Chrissy decides to let it die, but eventually tries to use it as a convincing fake Hidden Immunity Idol with normal effects by pairing it with instructions Ryan kept from an idol he played earlier in the game. While the effect of the idol was gone, it still managed to be useful... at least until Ben saw right through the ruse, having already found the real deal again.
6th Jan '18 8:46:59 AM Maddoxsort
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** Ben Driebergen is a likable guy, but he begins to engulf nearly the entire season by the end due to being played up as an unstoppable force in many ways. Then, to make matters worse, the reunion for ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was considered a pile of baloney in the online circles for basically being absent of nearly any input from anyone ''except'' Ben and the last six players in the game. Early prominents like Roark and Patrick and even midway threats Alan, Ali, and Joe were voiceless the whole time. We don't hear about JP's sister and her importance to his motivation to play outside of secret scenes posted online, let alone hear much out of JP all season at all. Not even first boot Katrina got a word, and she has a compelling backstory just like Ben's (was once wheelchair-bound by sickness). It was clearly the season of Big Ben.

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** Ben Driebergen is a likable guy, but he begins to engulf nearly the entire season by the end due to being played up as an unstoppable force in many ways. Then, to make matters worse, the reunion for ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was considered a pile of baloney in the online circles for basically being absent of nearly any input from anyone ''except'' Ben and the last six seven players in the game. Early prominents like Roark and Patrick and even midway threats Alan, Ali, and Joe were voiceless the whole time. We don't hear about JP's sister and her importance to his motivation to play outside of secret scenes posted online, let alone hear much out of JP all season at all. Not even first boot Katrina got a word, and she has a compelling backstory just like Ben's (was once wheelchair-bound by sickness). It was clearly the season of Big Ben.



* CriticalDissonance: In this [[http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jeff-probst-survivor-san-juan-del-sur----blood-vs-water-wasnt-what-we-hoped-but-next-season-delivers-17209.php Interview]], Jeff believes that ''Caramoan'' was a great season. Fan does not share his opinion on Caramoan.

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* CriticalDissonance: In this [[http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jeff-probst-survivor-san-juan-del-sur----blood-vs-water-wasnt-what-we-hoped-but-next-season-delivers-17209.php Interview]], Jeff believes that ''Caramoan'' was a great season. Fan Fandom does not share his opinion on Caramoan. Caramoan is also widely derided for having a useless reunion where a SpotlightStealingSquad is king and the rest of the cast might as well just be replaced with cardboard cutouts.
6th Jan '18 8:45:13 AM Maddoxsort
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** Ben Driebergen is a likable guy, but he begins to engulf nearly the entire season by the end due to being played up as an unstoppable force in many ways. Then, to make matters worse, the reunion for ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was considered a pile of baloney in the online circles for basically being absent of nearly any input from anyone ''except'' Ben and the last six players in the game. Early prominents like Roark and Patrick and even midway threats Alan, Ali, and Joe were voiceless the whole time. Not even first boot Katrina got a word, and she has a compelling backstory just like Ben's (was once wheelchair-bound by sickness).

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** Ben Driebergen is a likable guy, but he begins to engulf nearly the entire season by the end due to being played up as an unstoppable force in many ways. Then, to make matters worse, the reunion for ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was considered a pile of baloney in the online circles for basically being absent of nearly any input from anyone ''except'' Ben and the last six players in the game. Early prominents like Roark and Patrick and even midway threats Alan, Ali, and Joe were voiceless the whole time. We don't hear about JP's sister and her importance to his motivation to play outside of secret scenes posted online, let alone hear much out of JP all season at all. Not even first boot Katrina got a word, and she has a compelling backstory just like Ben's (was once wheelchair-bound by sickness). It was clearly the season of Big Ben.
6th Jan '18 8:44:10 AM Maddoxsort
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** Ben Driebergen is a likable guy, but he begins to engulf nearly the entire season by the end due to being played up as an unstoppable force in many ways. Then, to make matters worse, the reunion for ''Heroes Vs. Healers Vs. Hustlers'' was considered a pile of baloney in the online circles for basically being absent of nearly any input from anyone ''except'' Ben and the last six players in the game. Early prominents like Roark and Patrick and even midway threats Alan, Ali, and Joe were voiceless the whole time. Not even first boot Katrina got a word, and she has a compelling backstory just like Ben's (was once wheelchair-bound by sickness).
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