History YMMV / Survivor

26th May '17 3:38:00 PM MummyGaGa
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*** Some fans felt this way for the new tie vote rules in which there being no revote and they will automatically go to a discussion on who to vote out as they felt that the twist was rigged for huge idol finders.

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*** Some fans felt this way for the new tie vote rules in which there being no revote and they will automatically go to a discussion on who to vote out as they felt that the twist was rigged for huge idol finders. Come to the actual season, there was absolutely zero ties due to the fear of a lot of castaways having to go to rocks causing fans to believe that certain strategic elements were removed from the game such as attempting to split the votes and the possible risks that could with it such as one person flipping.


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*** Generally speaking, the massive amount of advantages and idols in that season made it very hard for the viewers to keep track at home. This comes full circle where at the final six, the amount of idols along with legacy advantage caused fan favorite Cirie to be voted out just solely by default as everybody else was immune.


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** The Legacy Advantage has been accused of this. While many fans can enjoy the concept of it on paper, many fans would have preferred if the legacy advantage was known to the other players in ''Millennials Vs. Gen-X'' and ''Game Changers'' making it more for interesting drama. Instead, only the holders of that legacy advantage knew about that twist.
26th May '17 3:18:12 PM MummyGaGa
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many people were very skeptical of ''Survivor: Blood vs. Water'' with the return of Redemption Island and many people thought the ''Blood vs. Water'' format will be a ScrappyMechanic. However, as it turns out, many people enjoyed it to the point where it was refused in San Juan Del Sur and it was the season that got Survivor out of it's DorkAge.

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Many people were very skeptical of ''Survivor: Blood vs. Water'' with the return of Redemption Island and many people thought the ''Blood vs. Water'' format will be a ScrappyMechanic. However, as it turns out, many people enjoyed it to the point where it was refused in San Juan Del Sur and it was the season that got Survivor out of it's DorkAge.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the Panama/Cook Islands idol received criticism for having the idol holder basically be immune for a majority of the game, they changed the rules for the hidden immunity in Survivor: Fiji so that you can only play it after the votes are casted but before they are read thus the idol holder may still be able to go home. {{Subverted}} in Cagayan with the Tyler Perry Idol though.

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After the Panama/Cook Islands idol received criticism for having the idol holder basically be immune for a majority of the game, they changed the rules for the hidden immunity in Survivor: Fiji so that you can only play it after the votes are casted but before they are read thus the idol holder may still be able to go home. {{Subverted}} in Cagayan with the Tyler Perry Idol though.


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** With the very infamous BrokenBase involving Michele's win in ''Kaoh Rong'' causing people to accuse of a biter jury, Jeff Probst stated that he ended up changing the Final Tribal Council in ''Game Changers'' to make the jury less bitter about the events that went on in the game.
26th May '17 9:31:13 AM JMW929
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** Other honorable mentions go to Rob Cesternino from ''The Amazon'', Jonny Fairplay from ''Pearl Islands'', Cirie Fields from ''Panama'' and even more so in ''Micronesia'', Jessica "Sugar" Kiper and Kenny Hoang from ''Gabon'', Stephen Fischbach from ''Tocantins'', Jonathan Penner in ''Philipinnes'', Malcolm Freberg from ''Philippines'' and ''Caramoan'', Spencer Bledsoe during his second chance in ''Cambodia'', Aubry Bracco and Cydney Gillion from ''Kaoh Rong'', and David Wright from ''Millennials vs. Gen-X'', who all arguably played the best games in their seasons, despite not winning.

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** Other honorable mentions go to Rob Cesternino from ''The Amazon'', Jonny Fairplay from ''Pearl Islands'', Cirie Fields from ''Panama'' and even more so in ''Micronesia'', ''Micronesia'' and ''Game Changers'', Jessica "Sugar" Kiper and Kenny Hoang from ''Gabon'', Stephen Fischbach from ''Tocantins'', Jonathan Penner in ''Philipinnes'', Malcolm Freberg from ''Philippines'' and ''Caramoan'', Spencer Bledsoe during his second chance in ''Cambodia'', Aubry Bracco and Cydney Gillion from ''Kaoh Rong'', and David Wright from ''Millennials vs. Gen-X'', who all arguably played the best games in their seasons, despite not winning.
26th May '17 9:30:23 AM JMW929
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* MagnificentBastard: Richard Hatch from ''Borneo'', Tina Wesson from ''The Australian Outback'', Brian Heidik from ''Thailand'', Chris Daugherty from ''Vanuatu'', Yul Kwon from ''Cook Islands'', Todd Herzog from ''China'', Parvati Shallow from ''Micronesia'', Kim Spradlin from ''One World'', John Cochran from ''Caramoan'', Tyson Apostol from ''Blood Vs. Water'', Tony Vlachos from ''Cagayan'', Natalie Anderson from ''San Juan Del Sur'', and Jeremy Collins from ''Cambodia''. Sandra Diaz-Twine was less outright manipulative, but she was able to win ''twice'' (''Pearl Islands'' and ''Heroes Vs. Villains'').

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* MagnificentBastard: Richard Hatch from ''Borneo'', Tina Wesson from ''The Australian Outback'', Brian Heidik from ''Thailand'', Chris Daugherty from ''Vanuatu'', Yul Kwon from ''Cook Islands'', Todd Herzog from ''China'', Parvati Shallow from ''Micronesia'', Kim Spradlin from ''One World'', John Cochran from ''Caramoan'', Tyson Apostol from ''Blood Vs. Water'', Tony Vlachos from ''Cagayan'', Natalie Anderson from ''San Juan Del Sur'', and Jeremy Collins from ''Cambodia''.''Cambodia'' and Sarah Lacina from ''Game Changers''. Sandra Diaz-Twine was less outright manipulative, but she was able to win ''twice'' (''Pearl Islands'' and ''Heroes Vs. Villains'').



** Other honorable mentions go to Rob Cesternino from ''The Amazon'', Jonny Fairplay from ''Pearl Islands'', Cirie Fields from ''Panama'' and even more so in ''Micronesia'', Jessica "Sugar" Kiper and Kenny Hoang from ''Gabon'', Stephen Fischbach from ''Tocantins'', Jonathan Penner in ''Philipinnes'', Malcolm Freberg from ''Philippines'' and ''Caramoan'', Spencer Bledsoe during his second chance in ''Cambodia'', Aubry Bracco and Cydney Gillion from Kaoh Rong, and David Wright from Millennials vs. Gen-X, who all arguably played the best games in their seasons, despite not winning.

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** Other honorable mentions go to Rob Cesternino from ''The Amazon'', Jonny Fairplay from ''Pearl Islands'', Cirie Fields from ''Panama'' and even more so in ''Micronesia'', Jessica "Sugar" Kiper and Kenny Hoang from ''Gabon'', Stephen Fischbach from ''Tocantins'', Jonathan Penner in ''Philipinnes'', Malcolm Freberg from ''Philippines'' and ''Caramoan'', Spencer Bledsoe during his second chance in ''Cambodia'', Aubry Bracco and Cydney Gillion from Kaoh Rong, ''Kaoh Rong'', and David Wright from Millennials ''Millennials vs. Gen-X, Gen-X'', who all arguably played the best games in their seasons, despite not winning.
25th May '17 7:21:46 AM TheGingerArtist
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* UnfortunateImplications: A number of people online have noticed that the attitude Sarah (a straight ciswoman) had towards Zeke (a gay transman) comes of less about acceptance and concern for him, but more of a WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. The way she comes off is less about Zeke's feelings and how this forced outing affected ''his'' life, but rather how his situation affected ''her'' life, and changed ''her'' as a person, and her admitting at the reunion about her being worried about how ''her'' family would react to this. The way she presents it makes it sound like she’s making the situation about herself and her feelings, like “See? I love Zeke even if he’s transgender! It’s changed me! I’m a good person!”. And it only adds another reason why people find her to be TheScrappy.

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* UnfortunateImplications: A number of people online have noticed that the attitude Sarah (a straight ciswoman) had towards Zeke (a gay transman) comes of less about acceptance and concern for him, but more of a ItsAllAboutMe and WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. The way she comes off is less about Zeke's feelings and how this forced outing affected ''his'' life, but rather how his situation affected ''her'' life, and changed ''her'' as a person, and her admitting at the reunion about her being worried about how ''her'' family would react to this. The way she presents it makes it sound like she’s making the situation about herself and her feelings, that she should be praised for being tolerant, like “See? I love Zeke even if he’s transgender! It’s changed me! I’m a good person!”. And it only adds another reason why people find her to be TheScrappy.
25th May '17 6:56:54 AM stephen
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** Tai in Game Changers, although it is completely self-inflicted. His tactless game moves and poor social skills slowly cause every single one of his friends and allies to turn against him, with Brad ultimately using intimidation and bullying tactics to force Tai into compliance. It is clear during the finale that Tai is completely miserable. Didn't stop him from trying as hard as he could to make it to the end, though.
25th May '17 5:17:21 AM MummyGaGa
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** ''Game Changers'' has been accused of this. To start things off, there is even more [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choices]] than in ''Caramoan''. There is a bunch of [[ScrappyMechanic hated twists]], the poorly edited double boot episode which became one of the most hated episodes in the show's history, Jeff Varner's infamous comments towards Zeke in the former's boot episode, an incohesive storyline, and a generally disliked boot order with fan favorites like Sandra, Malcolm, Ciera, and Tony all going out in the pre-merge leaving most of the post-merge castaways as [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]]—if not complete {{Scrappy}} characters—or OutOfFocus.

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** ''Game Changers'' has been accused of this. To start things off, there is even more [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choices]] than in ''Caramoan''. There is a bunch of [[ScrappyMechanic hated twists]], the poorly edited double boot episode which became one of the most hated episodes in the show's history, Jeff Varner's infamous comments towards Zeke in the former's boot episode, an incohesive storyline, and a generally disliked boot order with fan favorites like Sandra, Malcolm, Ciera, and Tony all going out in the pre-merge leaving most of the post-merge castaways as [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]]—if not complete {{Scrappy}} characters—or OutOfFocus. Plus, the winner of that season manages to become one of the least well-liked winners of the show and [[CaptainObviousReveal her win was extremely obvious]] in which after the season beforehand ended up trying their best to avert the CaptainObviousReveal, fans became less forgiving of that trope.
25th May '17 1:13:55 AM MummyGaGa
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Towards the more recent seasons of Survivor, they tend to edit some winners to the point that they will obviously win. Honorable mentions for this trope goes to J.T., Boston Rob, Kim, Cochran, Tyson, Mike, and Jeremy.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: Towards the more recent seasons of Survivor, they tend to edit some winners to the point that they will obviously win. Honorable mentions for this trope goes to J.T., Boston Rob, Kim, Cochran, Tyson, Mike, Jeremy, and Jeremy.Sarah.
24th May '17 9:40:44 PM toadgamer80
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** ''San Juan del Sur'' had a less GenreSavvy cast and the gender ratio was upset by the medevac of two sisters. Also, the fans who did watch show before hand had gotten voted out in the middle of the game. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap However]], it did pick up mid-way with it's idol plays, blind-sides, unpredictability, and very likable winner. Cambodia also helped fans look back on it more kindly after it's returning players made an impressive showing.
24th May '17 9:38:18 PM toadgamer80
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** ''Game Changers'' has been accused of this. To start things off, there is even more [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choices]] than in ''Caramoan''. There is a bunch of [[ScrappyMechanic hated twists]], the poorly edited double boot episode which became one of the most hated episodes in the show's history, Jeff Varner's infamous comments towards Zeke in the former's boot episode, an incohesive storyline, and a generally disliked boot order with fan favorites like Sandra, Malcolm, Ciera, and Tony all going out in pre-merge leading most of the post-merge castaways being [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]] if not complete {{Scrappy}} characters.

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** ''Game Changers'' has been accused of this. To start things off, there is even more [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choices]] than in ''Caramoan''. There is a bunch of [[ScrappyMechanic hated twists]], the poorly edited double boot episode which became one of the most hated episodes in the show's history, Jeff Varner's infamous comments towards Zeke in the former's boot episode, an incohesive storyline, and a generally disliked boot order with fan favorites like Sandra, Malcolm, Ciera, and Tony all going out in the pre-merge leading leaving most of the post-merge castaways being as [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]] if Characters]]—if not complete {{Scrappy}} characters.characters—or OutOfFocus.
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