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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IZfMWoQtg interactions]] with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters. It's one thing to [[spoiler:use a red sun room and Kryptonite-knuckled gauntlets to beat up a Superman clone]], even if it concludes with [[spoiler:straddling the supine Superman clone to taunt "''who's your daddy''"]], it's another to grab him and wail, "''Why did you leave me? WHY''?!"

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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IZfMWoQtg interactions]] with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters. It's one thing to [[spoiler:use a red sun room and Kryptonite-knuckled gauntlets to beat up a Superman clone]], clone while shirtless]], even if it concludes with [[spoiler:straddling the supine Superman clone to taunt "''who's your daddy''"]], it's another to grab him and wail, "''Why did you leave me? WHY''?!"
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* CompleteMonster: In this AnimatedAdaptation of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]], a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film, despite being a secondary villain. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob banks, then uses the robot to take a [[BusFullOfInnocents school bus full of children hostage]] and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4-year-old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with him, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.

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* CompleteMonster: In this AnimatedAdaptation of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]], a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film, despite being a secondary villain. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob banks, then uses the robot to take a [[BusFullOfInnocents school bus full of children hostage]] and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really Superman--really a Superman clone) who clone--who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4-year-old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with him, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.
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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a [[BusFullOfInnocents school bus full of children hostage]] and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.

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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, In this AnimatedAdaptation of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] Toyman]], a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. film, despite being a secondary villain. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman banks, then uses the robot to take a [[BusFullOfInnocents school bus full of children hostage]] and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old 4-year-old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, with him, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.
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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.

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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a [[BusFullOfInnocents school bus full of children hostage hostage]] and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.
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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recpatured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.

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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recpatured recaptured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.
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* CompleteMonster: Despite being a secondary villain, [[PsychopathicManchild Toyman]] a psychopath with an unhealthy obsession with children, is the most repulsive villain in the film. After Superman seemingly dies, a crime wave hits Metropolis and Toyman uses a [[SpiderTank giant robot spider]] to rob bank. Toyman then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to drop the bus off a building]] if the cops don't let him keep the money he stole. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board. Lois and the child are saved by a seemingly returned Superman (really a Superman clone) who easily defeats and captures Toyman. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center. The police manage to subdue him, but not before Toyman kills a 4 year old girl. Upon hearing this, the Superman clone becomes enraged and confronts the recently recpatured Toyman. Toyman complains that [[ItsAllAboutMe Superman is violating his rights]] and the Superman clone responds by dropping Toyman to his death. Toyman was such a vile excuse for a human being, that after dealing with, the Superman clone snapped and went from a decent hero to a KnightTemplar.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Lex Luthor had invented a cure for muscular distrophy, but withholds it until he can modify it to be more profitable. In ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueGodsAndMonsters'', Lex appears to be in bad need of that medicine himself.
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* AdaptationDistillation: The story works out well, considering the sheer volume of things that had to be cut to fit the storyline into one movie.
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IZfMWoQtg interactions]] with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.

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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IZfMWoQtg interactions]] with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters. It's one thing to [[spoiler:use a red sun room and Kryptonite-knuckled gauntlets to beat up a Superman clone]], even if it concludes with [[spoiler:straddling the supine Superman clone to taunt "''who's your daddy''"]], it's another to grab him and wail, "''Why did you leave me? WHY''?!"

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* FanDumb: The crew was told to tell the entire story, The Return Of Superman included. They had about an hour and a half worth of movie to do it in. Therefore, a ''lot'' was going to have to be cut or changed in order to fit. Some people were unable to accept that.
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* AdaptationDistillation: The story works out well, considering the sheer volume of things that had to be cut to fit the storyline into one mo

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* AdaptationDistillation: The story works out well, considering the sheer volume of things that had to be cut to fit the storyline into one momovie.

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* AdaptationDistillation: The story works out well, considering the sheer volume of things that had to be cut to fit the storyline into one movie.
* CompleteMonster: Toyman, who has no qualms about killing children.
** Luthor comes off as a Complete Monster as well. He [[spoiler: cures muscular dystrophy, but orders the cure stretched out so it will require lifetime treatments, and abandons an AIDS cure]] and [[spoiler: shoots Mercy, his faithful servant, because she's the only witness to Lex's actions]].

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* AdaptationDistillation: The story works out well, considering the sheer volume of things that had to be cut to fit the storyline into one movie.
* CompleteMonster: Toyman, who has no qualms about killing children.
** Luthor comes off as a Complete Monster as well. He [[spoiler: cures muscular dystrophy, but orders the cure stretched out so it will require lifetime treatments, and abandons an AIDS cure]] and [[spoiler: shoots Mercy, his faithful servant, because she's the only witness to Lex's actions]].
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* BloodierAndGorier / DarkerAndEdgier: The sheer graphicness of the violence in the movie along with Toyman's paedophilia seem to be an exercise in seeing how much the moviemakers could get away with now that the rating was PG-13.
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* BloodierAndGorier / DarkerAndEdgier: The sheer graphicness of the violence in the movie along with Toyman's paedophilia seem to be an exercise in seeing how much the moviemakers could get away with now that the rating was PG-13.
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* CompleteMonster: Toyman is presented as a child murderer with tones that imply he's a pedophile. And this isn't about [[MemeticMolester people reading certain things a certain way either]]--WordOfGod confirms it. On the commentary track, Bruce Timm [[NotUsingTheZWord wouldn't come out and call him a pedophile]], but did say Toyman had "an unhealthy interest in children" and Duane Capizzi mentioned ''LexLuthorManOfSteel'' as an influence and that story not only implied but at one point actually stated that Toyman was a pedophile.

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* CompleteMonster: Toyman is presented as a child murderer with tones that imply he's a pedophile. And this isn't Toyman, who has no qualms about [[MemeticMolester people reading certain things a certain way either]]--WordOfGod confirms it. On the commentary track, Bruce Timm [[NotUsingTheZWord wouldn't come out and call him a pedophile]], but did say Toyman had "an unhealthy interest in children" and Duane Capizzi mentioned ''LexLuthorManOfSteel'' as an influence and that story not only implied but at one point actually stated that Toyman was a pedophile.killing children.



** When Clone Superman rescues the cat, you're not sure if he's going to return the cat to the old lady or ''kill it in front of her''.

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** When Clone Superman rescues the cat, you're not sure if he's going to gonna return the cat to the old lady or ''kill it in front of her''.
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.

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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised quite a few eyebrows. His interactions [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IZfMWoQtg interactions]] with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.
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** When Clone Superman rescues the cat, you're not sure if he's going to return the cat to the old lady or ''kill it in front of her''.
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Clone Superman walking into a random barber shop and ''performing surgery on himself.'']]

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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Clone Superman walking into a random barber shop and ''performing brain surgery on himself.'']]
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised ... quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.
* {{Squick}}: Suspicious of Luthor, Clone Superman casually walks into a beauty parlor and sits at one mirror in what at first is a really bizarre scene. [[spoiler: He then uses his x-ray vision to spot the kryptonite encased in lead that Luthor planted in his brain. He THEN surgically removes it with his heat vision and a pair of scissors.]] We don't see any of this, but it's no wonder one of the workers fainted.
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised ... raised quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.
* {{Squick}}: Suspicious of Luthor, Clone Superman casually walks into a beauty parlor and sits at one mirror in what at first is a really bizarre scene. [[spoiler: He then uses his x-ray vision to spot the kryptonite encased in lead that Luthor planted in his brain. He THEN then surgically removes it with his heat vision and a pair of scissors.]] We don't see any of this, but it's no wonder one of the workers fainted.
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised ... quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone]] Superman in the red sun room don't help matters.

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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised ... quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone]] Superman [[spoiler:clone Superman]] in the red sun room don't help matters.
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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeLogic Why a mirror reflects his x-ray is a bit of a perplexing question.]]]]
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* HoYay: Lex Luthor's obsession raised ... quite a few eyebrows. His interactions with [[spoiler:clone]] Superman in the red sun room don't help matters.
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* RatedMForMoney
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* TearJerker: Lois going to Ma Kent and admitting how torn up Superman's death has left her.
** Ma Kent has a particularly effective one during Superman's "death", breaking down in her own home after having just watched her own (adopted) son die on national television. Not to say Lois didn't have a good one at that moment either, as he died right in her arms having never told her he was Clark Kent (even though she knew it already, she just wanted him to admit it).
** This troper lost it at "last year for Halloween I dressed as Superman, now I want to do it every year" and started bawling like a baby.
** [[spoiler: The death of the Clone Superman, telling the real Superman to protect the city.]]
** For me, it was the scene Superman actually sacrificed himself to stop Doomsday. Both this movie and the story it was loosely based on define who Superman is, a man who would fight to death for his adopted planet and everyone on it.
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** For me, it was the scene Superman actually sacrificed himself to stop Doomsday. Both this movie and the story it was loosely based on define who Superman is, a man who would fight to death for his adopted planet and everyone on it.
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** The death of the Clone Superman, telling the real Superman to protect the city.

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** [[spoiler: The death of the Clone Superman, telling the real Superman to protect the city.
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* {{Squick}}: Suspicious of Luthor, Clone Superman casually walks into a beauty parlor and sits at one mirror in what at first is a really bizarre scene. [[spoiler: He then uses his x-ray vision to spot the kryptonite encased in lead that Luthor planted in his brain. He THEN surgically removes it with his heat vision and a pair of scissors.]] We don'ts ee any of this, but it's no wonder one of the workers fainted.

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* {{Squick}}: Suspicious of Luthor, Clone Superman casually walks into a beauty parlor and sits at one mirror in what at first is a really bizarre scene. [[spoiler: He then uses his x-ray vision to spot the kryptonite encased in lead that Luthor planted in his brain. He THEN surgically removes it with his heat vision and a pair of scissors.]] We don'ts ee don't see any of this, but it's no wonder one of the workers fainted.

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