History YMMV / SuperRobotWarsZ

21st Mar '17 9:39:51 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Hibiki gets another MidSeasonUpgrade in the form of the "Geminion Ray" for ''Tengoku-hen'' [[spoiler:upon reaching the Quarrelling Twin Spheres Third Stage]], which had many players saying he's not "{{Badass}} enough for it because it's so good": "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqyWirssA0&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM&index=46 The Taikyoku Overaiser]]".

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** Hibiki gets another MidSeasonUpgrade in the form of the "Geminion Ray" for ''Tengoku-hen'' [[spoiler:upon reaching the Quarrelling Twin Spheres Third Stage]], which had many players saying he's not "{{Badass}} "badass enough for it because it's so good": "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqyWirssA0&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM&index=46 The Taikyoku Overaiser]]".



** Mixed alongside AuthorsSavingThrow and TookALevelInBadAss: when ''Anime/TheBigO'' debuted in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsDestiny'', it was [[TierInducedScrappy near useless]] by that game's [[GameBreakingBug broken standards]] and many players were pleasantly surprised after seeing it in action in ''Z'', where it's one of the best units and becomes better through weapon management, making it a nigh-GameBreaker with its high defense, range, and high stats from [[Anime/TheBigO Roger Smith]] (more accurately, his skill set, allowing him to make use of the "Attack Again" pilot skill[[note]]If the defending enemy's skill stat is 20 points lower than the pilot's skill stat, the pilot may initiate a second attack in the same combat phase[[/note]]). It seemed like the developers were issuing an apology for its sheer shafting in ''Destiny''.

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** Mixed alongside AuthorsSavingThrow and TookALevelInBadAss: TookALevelInBadass: when ''Anime/TheBigO'' debuted in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsDestiny'', it was [[TierInducedScrappy near useless]] by that game's [[GameBreakingBug broken standards]] and many players were pleasantly surprised after seeing it in action in ''Z'', where it's one of the best units and becomes better through weapon management, making it a nigh-GameBreaker with its high defense, range, and high stats from [[Anime/TheBigO Roger Smith]] (more accurately, his skill set, allowing him to make use of the "Attack Again" pilot skill[[note]]If the defending enemy's skill stat is 20 points lower than the pilot's skill stat, the pilot may initiate a second attack in the same combat phase[[/note]]). It seemed like the developers were issuing an apology for its sheer shafting in ''Destiny''.
20th Mar '17 12:41:48 PM advent_child
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[Anime/TheBigO Big Fau]] is probably one of the most pathetic bosses in franchise history, rivaling the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Evangelion Unit-01]] in ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha Super Robot Wars Alpha 3]]'', due to having fairly weak attacks and such a low accuracy stat that players won't need to use Spirit Commands. The only hard part is destroying the [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Overdevils]] which can be done easily, so long as players are careful. He's followed by another easy battle with unlimited turns in the scenario to get the SR Point.
** Despite being a DuelBoss against whom only [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna F. Seiei and the Exia]] are available, [[spoiler:[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Alejandro Corner in the Alvaaron]]]] can be made into this in ''Hakai-hen''. It only has around 20,000 HP, and if the Exia' weapons have been decently upgraded, Setsuna has his "Ace Bonus"[[note]]Deal 50% more damage to Gundams and/or units equipped with GN Drives or GN-Tau Drives[[/note]], and you've cast his "Soul" Spirit Command[[note]]Deal 2.5 times the damage for the next attack[[/note]], he can easily deal damage in excess of 30,000 with a single strike.
** In the same spirit as the above, ''Saisei-hen'' gives us [[spoiler:[[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Wiseman]]]] as a boss for the second half of the final ''Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS'' scenario between him and [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Chirico Cuvie]]. The anti-climactic part is not one super-unit, but instead controls a mob of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Blood Suckers]] with about 12,000 HP each, but no special features; these Blood Suckers can be finished in one attack [[spoiler:Of course, this is what Wiseman wants]].

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* AntiClimaxBoss: AntiClimaxBoss
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[[Anime/TheBigO Big Fau]] is probably one of the most pathetic bosses in franchise history, rivaling the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Evangelion Unit-01]] in ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha Super Robot Wars Alpha 3]]'', due to having fairly weak attacks and such a low accuracy stat that players won't need to use Spirit Commands."Spirit Commands". The only hard part is destroying the [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Overdevils]] which can be done easily, so long as players are careful. He's followed by another easy battle with unlimited turns in the scenario to get the SR Point.
** Despite being a DuelBoss against whom only [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna F. Seiei and the Exia]] are available, [[spoiler:[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Alejandro Corner in the Alvaaron]]]] can be made into this in ''Hakai-hen''. It only has around 20,000 HP, {{Hit Point}}s, and if the Exia' Exia's weapons have been decently upgraded, Setsuna has his "Ace Bonus"[[note]]Deal Bonus" unlocked[[note]]Deal 50% more damage to Gundams and/or units equipped with GN Drives or GN-Tau Drives[[/note]], and you've players cast his "Soul" Spirit Command[[note]]Deal 2.5 times the damage for the next attack[[/note]], he can easily deal damage in excess of 30,000 with a single strike.
** In the same spirit as the above, ''Saisei-hen'' gives us [[spoiler:[[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Wiseman]]]] as a boss for the second half of the final ''Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS'' scenario between him and [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Chirico Cuvie]]. The anti-climactic part is not one super-unit, but instead controls rather a mob of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Blood Suckers]] with about 12,000 HP {{Hit Point}}s each, but yet no special features; these Blood Suckers can be finished in one attack attack. [[spoiler:Of course, this is what Wiseman wants]].wants to happen]].



* BestLevelEver: ''Z'' scenario 36 - "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Operation Angel Down]]". Instead of pitting [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Shinn Asuka against Kira Yamato]], it's hero vs. hero for the entire cast. Anime/MazingerZ vs. Manga/GetterRobo? [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Aquarion]] vs. [[Anime/{{Gravion}} God Gravion]]? [[Anime/{{Xabungle}} Xabungle and Walker Gallia]] fighting [[Franchise/{{Gundam}} Universal Century Gundams]]? Yes, yes and yes.
** In ''Saisei-hen'', just about everyone loves [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDFetkztTIA Scenario 29]]. The battle occurs in the middle of a city on fire and numerous events occur in rapid succession: [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ali Al-Saachez and Graham Aker]] can be fought, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Lucrezia Noin]] joins ZEXIS, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Trowa Barton]] regains his memory and returns to the party, there's a tiny window to play around with the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] reappears and trades [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Zechs Marquise]] for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Wing Gundam Zero]], the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 00 Gundam]] gets the [[MechaExpansionPack 0 Raiser]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Allelujah Haptism and Marie Parfacy]] reunite with new attacks for their units AND Allelujah and [[SplitPersonality Hallelujah]] fuse personalities to become a true SuperSoldier.

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* BestLevelEver: BestLevelEver
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''Z'' scenario 36 - 36: "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Operation Angel Down]]". Instead of pitting [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Shinn Asuka against Kira Yamato]], it's hero vs. hero for the entire cast. Anime/MazingerZ vs. Manga/GetterRobo? [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Aquarion]] vs. [[Anime/{{Gravion}} God Gravion]]? [[Anime/{{Xabungle}} Xabungle and Walker Gallia]] fighting [[Franchise/{{Gundam}} Universal Century Gundams]]? Yes, yes and yes.
** In ''Saisei-hen'', just about everyone loves [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDFetkztTIA Scenario 29]]. The 29]]: the battle occurs in the middle of a city on fire and numerous events occur in rapid succession: succession - [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ali Al-Saachez and Graham Aker]] can be fought, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Lucrezia Noin]] joins ZEXIS, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Trowa Barton]] regains his memory and returns to the party, there's a tiny window to play around with the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] reappears and trades [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Zechs Marquise]] for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Wing Gundam Zero]], the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 00 Gundam]] gets the [[MechaExpansionPack 0 Raiser]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Allelujah Haptism and Marie Parfacy]] reunite with new attacks for their units AND Allelujah and [[SplitPersonality Hallelujah]] fuse personalities to become a true SuperSoldier.



** The FinalBattle of ''Jigoku-hen''. [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil As expected from the trailers]], the eponymous Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann is playable; awesome already, [[spoiler:until EVERYONE in Z-BLUE reaches size "infinity" as per the series to combat the [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Anti-Spiral]]]].

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** The FinalBattle of ''Jigoku-hen''. ''Jigoku-hen'': [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil As as expected from the trailers]], the eponymous Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann is playable; awesome already, [[spoiler:until EVERYONE in Z-BLUE reaches size "infinity" as per the series to combat the [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Anti-Spiral]]]].



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: When a rumor that "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-O1X9GDJD4 Back Alley Space Boy]]" wouldn't be the theme to ''Anime/DaiGuard'' was disproved, the Internet went nuts, given it's probably one of the best instrumentals in ''Hakai-hen''. The same can be said of the arrangement for "HEATS" and "Kanjite Knight".
** While the {{Leitmotif}} for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Crowe Broust]] in ''Hakai-hen'', "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzaLOZwnMI Close Game Life]]", is a little underwhelming, his MidSeasonUpgrade theme "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aaddvtbgs&feature=related The Unbreakable]]" in ''Saisei-hen'' more than makes up for it.
** On the villains' side, we have [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Asakim Dowin]] and his incredibly catchy "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_1WNsvGZM Black Stranger]]". Likewise, there's the strangely heroic-sounding "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAl-MxsHFpk Untrue Crystal]]", as well as the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2dL3LAstk various]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0y7KpuauQ Ark]]-[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNusv4Wu-cY&feature=related Saber]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcwW_hYlULY&feature=related themes]], [[AndZoidberg plus]] "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNYYJfHhV0&feature=relmfu The Song of the Homicidal Doll]]". Finally, [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Uther Insaraum]] and "The King's Love is for His People" [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUeVmboXtk&feature=relmfu may be one of the best]] boss {{Leitmotif}}s in [=SRW=] to date.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: CrowningMusicOfAwesome
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When a rumor that "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-O1X9GDJD4 Back Alley Space Boy]]" wouldn't be the theme to ''Anime/DaiGuard'' was disproved, the Internet went nuts, given it's probably one of the best instrumentals in ''Hakai-hen''. The same can be said of the arrangement for "HEATS" and "Kanjite Knight".
** While the {{Leitmotif}} for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Crowe Broust]] in ''Hakai-hen'', "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzaLOZwnMI Close Game Life]]", is a little underwhelming, his MidSeasonUpgrade theme "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aaddvtbgs&feature=related The Unbreakable]]" in ''Saisei-hen'' more than makes up for it.
** On the villains' side, we have [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Asakim Dowin]] and his incredibly catchy "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_1WNsvGZM Black Stranger]]". Likewise, there's the strangely heroic-sounding "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAl-MxsHFpk Untrue Crystal]]", as well as the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2dL3LAstk various]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0y7KpuauQ Ark]]-[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNusv4Wu-cY&feature=related Saber]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcwW_hYlULY&feature=related themes]], [[AndZoidberg plus]] "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNYYJfHhV0&feature=relmfu The Song of the Homicidal Doll]]". Finally, [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Uther Insaraum]] and "The King's Love is for His People" [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUeVmboXtk&feature=relmfu may be one of the best]] boss {{Leitmotif}}s in [=SRW=] to date.



*** Special mention goes to Scenario 29 of ''Saisei-hen'', where a background music named "The Advance of Warhorses" pop up at the beginning, which makes Chirico go nuts. This song is remade from the original ''Red Shoulder March'' of ''Armored Trooper VOTOMS'', since Banpresto couldn't purchase the song's license, but this version is very well-conceived. [[LongSongShortScene Too bad players only get to hear it in a few scenarios or so]], nor can they set it as a unit's music.
** In ''Jigoku-Hen'', we have [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWB7DKwsgM Tomorrow In Sight]] the theme of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Hibiki]] and then his MidSeasonUpgrade theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikcahRn4fg The Hope Called Taboo]]. Next is the theme of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Advent]][[spoiler: while he was a good guy]] theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPZCnQfjmY The Son of Sun]] and [[FanNickname Space Hobo]] [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Gadlight Meonsam]] theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1zYzV06ig Lost Soldiers]].
** In ''Tengoku-hen'', we have the Sidereal:
*** Gaia Emperor Australis[[spoiler:/Dimensional General Wildark]] theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuKhA95KUU The Delusional God of War]].
*** Barbiel the Needle's theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cjq5aOYfEo Sabbath of Resentment]].
*** Shikuu who already appeared in ''Jigoku-Hen'' as a PostFinalBoss has his ominous theme [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDBs7N8e4A&index=29&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Assemblage Of Corpses]].
*** Straus[[spoiler:actually Elunaluna Burnstraus]] theme is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjketD1--8s&index=51&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Soaring Golden Ox]].
** Hibiki gets another MidSeasonUpgrade in the form of the Geminion Ray [[spoiler: upon reaching the Quarrelling Twin Spheres Third Stage]] which got many people saying that he is not badass enough for it because the it is so good:[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqyWirssA0&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM&index=46 The Taikyoku Overaiser]].
** The theme of the final boss [[spoiler:Supreme God Z]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZEmXc_Ciw&index=54&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM The God Who Watches Over The End]]
* CrossoverShip: Shinn and [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Setsuko Ohara]], and through that, Shinn has mellowed enough to [[FixFic fix some of his more objectionable personality problems]] from his home series. It helps they still care for each other when they meet again in ''Saisei-hen'', and things escalate in ''Tengoku-hen'' when [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Lunamaria Hawke]], who is an OfficialCouple with Shinn, directly asks if he actually likes Setsuko.
** [[CodeGeass Kallen Kouzuki]] and Chirico, of all people. They had much chemistry since ''Hakai-hen'', spent much time fighting along together, and even some ShipTease moments (some in front of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Fyana]], even).
* DemonicSpiders: Or "[[IncrediblyLamePun DAMONic]] [[FanNickname Spiders]]", as the case may be. Dimensional Beasts have high HP, barriers, can inflict StandardStatusEffects, good accuracy/evasion rates (and will only go higher due to their "[[CriticalStatusBuff Prevail]]" skill[[note]]The lower the HP, the greater the increase to accuracy/evasion/critical/armor stats[[/note]]) and HP/EN regeneration. As someone on Website/SomethingAwful put it, "It's like someone decided [[Anime/MacrossPlus the Ghost X9]] should be [[UpToEleven more annoying]]".
** DifficultySpike ensues when facing those Dimensional Beasts with MAP weapons in ''Hakai-hen''. In the last scenario, a few carry stats akin to a MiniBoss and their MAP weapons ''[[FriendlyFireproof do not hit allies]]''.
** Thankfully in ''Saisei-hen'', Bull- and Rhino-type Dimensional Beasts have less HP, don't have HP/EN regeneration and barriers. [[ThisIsGonnaSuck That is, until the Artificial-type appear mid-game]], as the weaker ones are even ''stronger'' than the old Rhino-types.
** ''Saisei-hen'' Scenario 15 introduces the Axio Burglars. Each are equipped with a "Jamming Device" which makes allied units two grids around them given accuracy/evasion rate increases by 10%, ''and'' these bonuses stack if they're adjacent to one another. This makes evasive {{Real Robot}}s like [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer King Gainer]] or a [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Scopedog]] very prone to their strong attacks (their strongest even reduces Will), while it's almost impossible to hit them without using Spirit Commands. [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Marilyn Catto]] in her Axio Burglar/Pearl Fang only makes it worse, since she's always there to lead them and boosts their/her accuracy/evasion rates with her "Command" pilot skill[[note]]Unit projects a command field; allies within the field receive accuracy/evasion bonus rates depending on the distance from the unit.[[/note]] ''and'' her unit's own "Jamming Device".
** One ''Saisei-hen'' scenario pits players against a large number of Blood Suckers. Unlike the ones Chirico faces later, these Blood Suckers are surprisingly accurate and agile, especially if players make the mistake of not taking them down in one shot, allowing their "Prevail" to kick in. The fact the scenario takes place indoors, rendering any unit bigger than a size "M" non-usable, doesn't help.
** In ''Jigoku-hen'', this honor goes to the [[Anime/TheBigO mass-produced Bigs]]. While most {{Mook}}s in the game can be dealt with a OneHitKO by a strong enough unit, the Bigs easily endure attacks from fully upgraded ones thanks to their large size, enormous armor rating and their pilots' defense stat. They also come in hordes, particularly in their last appearance for a playthrough.
** In ''Tengoku-hen'', the ELS have the same assimilation mechanic as the [[Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor Festum]] from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsUX'', where each successful attack reduces a pilot's Will by 10. Those unlucky enough to have their Will reduced below 80 are automatically destroyed without respect to {{Hit Point}}s. Finally, they have the natural ability to bypass barriers and the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill[[note]]Negate damage penalties when attacking larger units[[/note]].
** A few scenarios [[spoiler:before the mandatory "Shinka" event]] in ''Tengoku-hen'', the game pits players against quite a number of Angeloi Alca. These aren't quite the prior {{Mook}} units fought time to time, as they are now piloted by ''level 75'' pilots, with each Angeloi Alca boasting an armor rating of '''3200'''. Unless offensive-based Spirit Commands are used, destroying one will become difficult, as all the while players are getting smacked by these units' astounding accurate and damaging attacks.

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*** ** Special mention goes to Scenario 29 of ''Saisei-hen'', where a background music named "The Advance of Warhorses" pop pops up at the beginning, which makes Chirico go nuts. This song is remade from the original ''Red Shoulder March'' of ''Armored Trooper VOTOMS'', since Banpresto couldn't purchase the song's license, but this version is very well-conceived. [[LongSongShortScene Too bad players only get to hear it in a few scenarios or so]], nor can they set it as a unit's music.
** In ''Jigoku-Hen'', ''Jigoku-hen'', we have [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWB7DKwsgM Tomorrow In Sight]] the theme of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Hibiki]] and then Sight]]", {{Leitmotif}} for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Hibiki Kamishiro]], along with his MidSeasonUpgrade theme [[https://www.{{Leitmotif}} "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikcahRn4fg The Hope Called Taboo]]. Next is the theme of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Advent]][[spoiler: while he was a good guy]] theme [[https://www.Taboo]]". Furthermore, [[spoiler:pre-FaceHeelTurn]] [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Advent]] with "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPZCnQfjmY The Son of Sun]] Sun]]" and [[FanNickname Space Hobo]] [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Gadlight Meonsam]] theme [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1zYzV06ig Lost Soldiers]].
Soldiers]]" for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Gadlight Meonsam]].
** In ''Tengoku-hen'', we have the Sidereal:
"[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Sidereal]]":
*** Gaia Emperor Australis[[spoiler:/Dimensional General Wildark]] Australis' theme [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuKhA95KUU The Delusional God of War]].
War]]".
*** Barbiel the Needle's theme [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cjq5aOYfEo Sabbath of Resentment]].
Resentment]]".
*** Shikuu Shikuu, who already appeared in ''Jigoku-Hen'' as a PostFinalBoss PostFinalBoss, has his ominous theme [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDBs7N8e4A&index=29&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Assemblage Of Corpses]].
Corpses]]".
*** Straus[[spoiler:actually Elunaluna Burnstraus]] Straus' theme is [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjketD1--8s&index=51&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Soaring Golden Ox]].
Ox]]".
** Hibiki gets another MidSeasonUpgrade in the form of the Geminion Ray [[spoiler: upon "Geminion Ray" for ''Tengoku-hen'' [[spoiler:upon reaching the Quarrelling Twin Spheres Third Stage]] Stage]], which got had many people players saying that he is he's not badass "{{Badass}} enough for it because the it is it's so good:[[https://www.good": "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqyWirssA0&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM&index=46 The Taikyoku Overaiser]].Overaiser]]".
** The theme of the final boss FinalBoss [[spoiler:Supreme God Z]] [[https://www.for ''Tengoku-hen'' "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZEmXc_Ciw&index=54&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM The God Who Watches Over The End]]
End]]".
* CrossoverShip: CrossoverShip
**
Shinn and [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Setsuko Ohara]], and through that, Shinn has mellowed enough to [[FixFic fix some of his more objectionable personality problems]] from his home series. It helps they still care for each other when they meet again in ''Saisei-hen'', and things escalate in ''Tengoku-hen'' when [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Lunamaria Hawke]], who is an OfficialCouple with Shinn, directly asks if he actually likes Setsuko.
** [[CodeGeass [[Anime/CodeGeass Kallen Kouzuki]] and Chirico, of all people. They Chirico: they had much chemistry since ''Hakai-hen'', spent much time fighting along together, alongside one another, and even some ShipTease moments (some in front of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Fyana]], even).
* DemonicSpiders: Or DemonicSpiders
**
"[[IncrediblyLamePun DAMONic]] [[FanNickname Spiders]]", as the case may be. be: "[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Dimensional Beasts Beasts]]" have high HP, {{Hit Point}}s, barriers, can inflict StandardStatusEffects, good accuracy/evasion rates (and will only go higher due to their "[[CriticalStatusBuff Prevail]]" pilot skill[[note]]The lower the HP, the greater the increase to accuracy/evasion/critical/armor stats[[/note]]) and HP/EN regeneration. As someone one user on Website/SomethingAwful put it, "It's like someone decided [[Anime/MacrossPlus the Ghost X9]] should be [[UpToEleven more annoying]]".
** *** DifficultySpike ensues when facing those Dimensional Beasts with MAP weapons in ''Hakai-hen''. In the last scenario, a few carry stats akin to a MiniBoss and their MAP weapons ''[[FriendlyFireproof do not hit allies]]''.
**
allies]]''. Thankfully in ''Saisei-hen'', Bull- and Rhino-type Dimensional Beasts have less HP, {{Hit Point}}s, don't have HP/EN regeneration and barriers. barriers...[[ThisIsGonnaSuck That that is, until the Artificial-type appear mid-game]], as the weaker ones are even ''stronger'' than the old Rhino-types.
** ''Saisei-hen'' Scenario 15 introduces the Axio Burglars. Each are "Axio Burglars", each equipped with a "Jamming Device" which makes allied units two grids around them given accuracy/evasion rate increases by 10%, ''and'' these bonuses stack if they're adjacent to one another. This makes evasive {{Real Robot}}s like [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer King Gainer]] or a [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Scopedog]] very prone to their strong attacks (their strongest even reduces Will), while it's almost impossible to hit them without using Spirit Commands. [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Marilyn Catto]] in her Axio Burglar/Pearl Fang Burglar (later "Pearl Fang") only makes it worse, since she's always there to lead them and boosts their/her accuracy/evasion rates with her "Command" pilot skill[[note]]Unit projects a command field; allies within the field receive accuracy/evasion bonus rates depending on the distance from the unit.[[/note]] unit[[/note]] ''and'' her unit's own "Jamming Device".
** One ''Saisei-hen'' scenario pits players against a large number of Blood Suckers. Unlike the ones Chirico faces later, later (see AntiClimaxBoss), these Blood Suckers are surprisingly accurate and agile, especially if players make the mistake of not taking them down in one shot, allowing their "Prevail" to kick in. The fact the scenario takes place indoors, rendering any unit bigger than a size "M" non-usable, doesn't help.
** In ''Jigoku-hen'', this honor goes to the [[Anime/TheBigO mass-produced Bigs]]. While Bigs]]: while most {{Mook}}s in the game can be dealt with a OneHitKO by a strong enough unit, the Bigs easily endure attacks from fully upgraded ones thanks to their large size, enormous armor rating and their pilots' defense stat. They also come in hordes, particularly in their last appearance for a playthrough.
play-through.
** In For ''Tengoku-hen'', the ELS "[[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer ELS]]" have the same assimilation mechanic as the [[Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor Festum]] "[[Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor Festum]]" from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsUX'', where each successful attack reduces a pilot's Will by 10. Those unlucky enough to have their Will reduced below 80 are automatically destroyed without respect to {{Hit Point}}s. Finally, they have the natural ability to bypass barriers and the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill[[note]]Negate damage penalties when attacking larger units[[/note]].
** A few scenarios [[spoiler:before the mandatory "Shinka" event]] in ''Tengoku-hen'', the game ''Tengoku-hen'' pits players against quite a number of Angeloi Alca. These aren't quite the prior {{Mook}} units fought from time to time, as they are now piloted by ''level 75'' pilots, with each Angeloi Alca boasting an armor rating of '''3200'''. Unless offensive-based Spirit Commands are used, destroying one will become difficult, as all the while players are getting smacked by these units' astounding accurate and damaging attacks.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Shiony Regis]] from ''Hakai-hen'' is a mostly non-combatant villain who's a SmugSnake at times, but she utterly ''dominates'' the ''Second Z'' fanart.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ EnsembleDarkhorse
** [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2
Shiony Regis]] from ''Hakai-hen'' is a mostly non-combatant villain who's a SmugSnake at times, but she utterly ''dominates'' the ''Second Z'' fanart.



* FanficFuel: What were the missing Z-BLUE members doing in ''Tengoku-hen''? According to [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Gain Bijou]], who sent a letter to [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Rand Travis]] off-screen, they're busy fighting the [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Sidereal]] faction, providing plenty of {{Fanfic}} material.
* FoeYay: A one-sided affair with Advent and Hibiki. [[spoiler: The moment Advent declared that he loves Hibiki in the FinalBoss scenario is what cemented it.]]
* GoddamnedBats: In ''Saisei-hen'', any enemy faction aligned with the Earth Federation will get [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Mobile Dolls]] with "Support Defend"[[note]]Unit can provide defensive support to an adjacent ally[[/note]] and most have barriers like "Planet Defensors"[[note]]Nullify damage below 2000[[/note]]. Attacks will constantly be blocked if players haven't been upgrading their units' weapons, not to mention the Dolls hit hard with the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill.

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* FanficFuel: What were the missing Z-BLUE members doing in ''Tengoku-hen''? According to [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Gain Bijou]], who sent a letter to [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Rand Travis]] off-screen, they're busy fighting the [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Sidereal]] Sidereal faction, providing plenty of {{Fanfic}} material.
* FoeYay: A one-sided affair with Advent and Hibiki. [[spoiler: The Hibiki - [[spoiler:the moment Advent declared that the former declares he loves Hibiki in the FinalBoss scenario is what cemented it.]]
it]].
* GoddamnedBats: GoddamnedBats
**
In ''Saisei-hen'', any enemy faction aligned with the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Earth Federation Federation]] will get [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Mobile Dolls]] Dolls]]" with the "Support Defend"[[note]]Unit Defend" pilot skill[[note]]Unit can provide defensive support to an adjacent ally[[/note]] and most have barriers like "Planet Defensors"[[note]]Nullify damage below 2000[[/note]]. Attacks will constantly be blocked if players haven't been upgrading their units' weapons, not to mention the Dolls hit hard with the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill.



* GoodBadBugs: ''Saisei-hen'' has two that [[GameBreaker trivializes the game]]. The first one is available so long as clear data from ''Hakai-hen'' is present, and players choose to start a new game via data linking. Progressing to the screen where it asks if the player wants to continue, then back-tracking to the title screen causes 500,000 credits to be added to the link data credit total; this can be repeated indefinitely.
** The second one is a minor, but significant one. In the ''Second Z'', it's possible to leave space on the sub-order menu before enacting sub-orders, thus a player is allowed to go back and fill those spaces and activate orders for them if they wish to. In ''Hakai-hen'', filled rows are locked out, but in ''Saisei-hen'' it's possible to visit an unfilled row, switch to a filled row (by pressing the L or R buttons while holding down the triangle button), then swap out one pilot for another who hasn't been given orders yet. This means the player is no longer forced to choose who gets sub-orders when the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters cast becomes too large]].
** In ''Tengoku-hen'', it is possible to use the D-Trader part, "Insalaum's Treasure"[[note]]Cast the spirit command "Love" on the user.[[/note]] ''twice'' in one scenario just by having Hibiki, in Genion, use the item, then immediately transforming into [[SuperMode Genion GAI]] and the item is now usable again. Same thing will result when changing from Genion GAI to Geminion Ray.
** On the bad side of the bugs, if players use [[Anime/{{Macross 7}} Basara's]] "Try Again" song on Nono then transforming [[Anime/{{Diebuster}} Nono's EVO-4]] to Buster Machine No. 7[=/=]Diebuster the status buffs are removed.
* HilariousInHindsight: An image from ''Z'' made the rounds during the game's initial release, showing a man in a black and gold outfit with a full face mask, talking to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] and saying "They call that man 'Orange'." [[CodeGeass Guess what series]] debuts in ''Hakai-hen''?
** ''Hakai-hen'' included a [[Anime/{{Macross7}} Fire Bomber]] CD as an equippable part as a ContinuityNod to the fact several ''Macross Frontier'' characters (particularly [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ozma Lee]]) are fans. We get to see them {{Squee}} in person, since ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' is in ''Saisei-hen''.
** Famitsu once posted a hoax article for a fake entry called "Super Robot Wars U" as an AprilFools joke. Among the series listed was ''Anime/DaiGuard''. Cue the cast listing for ''Hakai-hen''.
** The term "Char's Counterattack" has always been a bit of a misnomer in that movie, since [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Char Aznable]] and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Neo Zeon]] are the aggressors. [[spoiler:The spin on this in ''Jigoku-hen'' makes this no longer a case]].
** [[http://i.imgur.com/TylcPSK.jpg This]] {{Yonkoma}} from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment'' featuring the [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Tuataa De Danaan]]. Again, this is no longer the case in ''Jigoku-hen'' [[spoiler:as it is converted into a '''flight-capable, space-faring battleship''']].
** ''Sousei no Aquarion Evol'' made the [[MyFutureSelfAndMe interactions]] between the casts of both [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Aquarion]] [[Anime/AquarionEvol shows]] hilariously ironic. Specifically, [[spoiler:while ''Tengoku-hen'' had Apollo and Kagura on pretty good terms right from the start, ''Aquarion Love'' had the two hate each other at first smell, which triggered the fight between Apollo in Solar Aquarion and Kagura in Aquarion Evol]].
* HolyShitQuotient: A playable Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in ''Jigoku-hen'' already set the tone following its reveal in the promotional trailers, but to transform into the [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]? '''WOW'''.
** The entire Axis ColonyDrop event in ''Jigoku-hen'': sure, multiple [=SRWs=] have used it before, but to see [[spoiler:Char reveal he's not the one dropping the asteroid, use Axis to perform space-time recovery, ''lead'' all of Z-BLUE in stopping its descent, '''AND''' pull a XanatosGambit in case it happens]]? All this is done as "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Beyond the]] [[AwesomeMusic Time]]" plays in the background.

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* GoodBadBugs: GoodBadBugs
**
''Saisei-hen'' has two that [[GameBreaker trivializes the game]]. The game]]: the first one is available so long as clear data from ''Hakai-hen'' is present, and players choose to start a new game via data linking. Progressing to the screen where it asks if the player wants players want to continue, then back-tracking to the title screen causes 500,000 credits to be added to the link data credit total; this can be repeated indefinitely.
** *** The second one is a minor, but significant one. In bug: in the ''Second Z'', it's possible to leave space on the sub-order menu before enacting sub-orders, sub-orders for party members who are not sortied out into combat, thus a player is players are allowed to go back and fill those spaces and activate orders for them if they wish to. In ''Hakai-hen'', filled rows are locked out, but in ''Saisei-hen'' ''Saisei-hen'', it's possible to visit an unfilled row, switch to a filled row (by pressing the L or R buttons while holding down the triangle button), then swap out one pilot for another who hasn't been given orders yet. This means the player is no longer forced to choose who gets sub-orders when the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters cast becomes too large]].
** In ''Tengoku-hen'', it is it's possible to use the D-Trader part, part "Insalaum's Treasure"[[note]]Cast the spirit command "Love" on the user.[[/note]] ''twice'' in one scenario just by having Hibiki, Hibiki in Genion, the Genion use the item, then immediately transforming into [[SuperMode "[[SuperMode Genion GAI]] GAI]]" and the item is now usable again. Same thing will The same result will occur when changing from the Genion GAI to the Geminion Ray.
** On the bad side of the bugs, if players use [[Anime/{{Macross 7}} Basara's]] the "Try Again" song from [[Anime/{{Macross 7}} Basara Nekki]] on Nono [[Anime/{{Diebuster}} Nono]], then transforming [[Anime/{{Diebuster}} Nono's EVO-4]] EVO-4 to Buster Machine No. 7[=/=]Diebuster 7/Diebuster]], the status buffs {{Status Buff}}s are removed.
* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight
**
An image from ''Z'' made the rounds during the game's initial release, showing a man in a black and gold outfit with a full face mask, talking to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] and saying "They call that man 'Orange'." [[CodeGeass [[Anime/CodeGeass Guess what series]] debuts makes its [=SRW=] debut in ''Hakai-hen''?
** ''Hakai-hen'' included a [[Anime/{{Macross7}} Fire Bomber]] CD as an equippable part as a ContinuityNod to the fact several ''Macross Frontier'' characters (particularly [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ozma Lee]]) are fans. We get to see them {{Squee}} in person, since ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' is in ''Saisei-hen''.
** Famitsu
*** Likewsie, ''Famitsu'' magazine once posted a hoax article for a fake entry called "Super Robot Wars U" as an AprilFools joke. Among the series listed was ''Anime/DaiGuard''. Cue ''Anime/DaiGuard'': cue the cast listing for ''Hakai-hen''.
** ''Hakai-hen'' included a "[[Anime/{{Macross7}} Fire Bomber]]" music CD as an equippable part, serving as a ContinuityNod to the fact several ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'' characters (particularly [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ozma Lee]]) are fans. Players get to see them {{Squee}} in person since ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' is in ''Saisei-hen''.
** The term "Char's Counterattack" has always been a bit of a misnomer in that movie, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack movie]], since [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Char Aznable]] and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Neo Zeon]] Zeon]]" are the aggressors. [[spoiler:The spin on this in ''Jigoku-hen'' makes this no longer a case]].
case]] (see HolyShitQuotient below).
** [[http://i.imgur.com/TylcPSK.jpg This]] {{Yonkoma}} from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment'' featuring features the [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic ''[[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Tuataa De Danaan]].Danaan]]''. Again, this is no longer the case in ''Jigoku-hen'' [[spoiler:as it is converted into a '''flight-capable, space-faring battleship''']].
** ''Sousei no Aquarion Evol'' ''Anime/AquarionEVOL'' made the [[MyFutureSelfAndMe interactions]] between the casts of both the [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Aquarion]] [[Anime/AquarionEvol shows]] hilariously ironic. Specifically, original show]] and ''EVOL'' ironic: [[spoiler:while ''Tengoku-hen'' had Apollo has [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Apollo]] and Kagura [[Anime/AquarionEVOL Kagura]] on pretty good terms right from the start, ''Aquarion Love'' had the two hate each other at first smell, which triggered the fight between Apollo in the Solar Aquarion and Kagura in the Aquarion Evol]].
EVOL]].
* HolyShitQuotient: HolyShitQuotient
**
A playable Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in ''Jigoku-hen'' already set the tone following its reveal in the promotional trailers, but to transform into the [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann "[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]? Lagann]]"? '''WOW'''.
** The entire Axis ColonyDrop event in ''Jigoku-hen'': sure, multiple [=SRWs=] have used it before, but to see [[spoiler:Char reveal he's not the one dropping the asteroid, but rather use Axis to perform space-time recovery, ''lead'' all of Z-BLUE in stopping its descent, '''AND''' pull a XanatosGambit in case it happens]]? the drop does happen]]? All this is done as "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Beyond the]] [[AwesomeMusic Time]]" plays in the background.



** Likewise, ''Tengoku-hen'' with [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Bonta-kun]]. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUOI6zz-Yr0 Most bosses]] are essentially ineffective against it.
* MemeticMutation: Shiony has probably become the most memetic character in the entire franchise, only rivaling [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsK Mist Rex]] for the top slot. Look at how much fanart exists for her compared to how little there is for the other ''Hakai-hen'' originals. Unlike Mist, Shiony's memetic status is due to the fanbase realizing how she acts tough while being a ShrinkingViolet, overreacting to just about anything; in turn, the fandom latched onto her personality quirks and ran with it, as opposed to being the result of an accidental rumor in Mist's case. WordOfGod even acknowledged her memetic status by using her portrait in ''Saisei-hen'' for a civilian met in-game. Some fans actually find her {{Moe}} due to being an IneffectualSympatheticVillain (she's upstaged by her villainous partners, nor is she that hard of a boss).
** It can be debated as she mainly appears in the ruins of the country she used to lead. Same goes for the fanart amount, with [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Marguerite]] [[GagBoobs Pistail]] being the close second.
** Crowe's million-dollar debt is slowly reaching this level.
** "Wrong Tetsujin!" stemming from the fan reaction to the 1980s series being used over the original or 2004 one.
* MoralEventHorizon: [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Shikuu]] crosses it [[spoiler:when he kills the pregnant [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Annalotta Stohls]], causing the Geminides race to go extinct]]. Mitigated slightly when ''Tengoku-hen'' revealed [[spoiler: [[EvenEvilHasStandards he spared her twin offspring]]]].
* MostAnnoyingSound: "[[Anime/EurekaSeven MOKYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN]]!" Whoever decided the [[Anime/EurekaSeven Nirvash]] should do that ''every time it attacks'' should be shot.
** "Main Theme" for ''Dancougar Nova'' is so over-the-top serious it quickly gets annoying. Then there's the delayed yell in the Dancougar Nova's final attack, courtesy of [[Anime/DancougarNova Aoi Hidaka]] (more specifically, a young Aoi[[note]]In the show's FinalBattle against [[spoiler:the original {{Anime/Dancougar}}, when they use the "Dankuudangaiken", it shows a young Aoi. The other pilots helped her out of a HeroicBSOD where she was imagining herself when she was a little girl]][[/note]]).
* MostWonderfulSound: The sound the "[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Twin Satellite Cannon]]" makes when it locks on, right before it fires is absolutely ''glorious''.
** "Main Theme" for ''Dancougar Nova'' counts as this for those who were afraid they'd be stuck with the rather bad rendition of "Tori no Uta" that the ''Z'' series uses. Sadly, since this theme is technically meant for use by Nova Eagle, it does not appear in ''Saisei-hen'' or ''Jigoku-hen'', since the Dancougar is acquired much earlier or is already combined.
** Simon and his shout of "[[ThisIsADrill Giga Drill Break]]", [[spoiler:particularly in the ''Jigoku-hen'' finale of the ''Gurren Lagann'' plot while using the titular galaxy-sized HumongousMecha]].
* {{Narm}}: Take a look at the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Sazabi's "All Range Attack"]] when it uses its beam sabers. It looks like a child throwing a temper tantrum at the robot.
* NeverLiveItDown: In Z3.2 Sumeragi, has a one-off line excusing a bunch of nonreturning characters by way of saying "nah, let's split our force to keep the enemy busy", and /m/ turned that into "Sumeragi gets rid of everybody".

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** Likewise, ''Tengoku-hen'' with [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Bonta-kun]]. "[[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Bonta-kun]]": [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUOI6zz-Yr0 Most most bosses]] are essentially ineffective against it.
* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation
**
Shiony has probably become became one of the most memetic character characters in the entire franchise, only rivaling [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsK Mist Rex]] for the top slot. Look slot, after her appearance: look at how much fanart exists for of her compared to how little there is for the other ''Hakai-hen'' originals. Unlike Mist, However, unlike Mist (who owes it due to being TheScrappy), Shiony's memetic status is due to the fanbase realizing how she acts tough while being a ShrinkingViolet, overreacting to just about anything; in turn, the fandom latched onto her personality quirks and ran with it, as opposed to being the result of an accidental rumor in Mist's case. WordOfGod even acknowledged her memetic status by using her portrait in ''Saisei-hen'' for a civilian met in-game. Some fans actually find her {{Moe}} due to being an IneffectualSympatheticVillain (she's upstaged by her villainous partners, nor is she that hard of a boss).
boss when fought against).
** It can be debated as she mainly appears in If the ruins number of the country she used to lead. Same goes for the fanart amount, with [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Marguerite]] [[GagBoobs is considered, [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Marguerite Pistail]] being the and her GagBoobs come at a close second.
second for the ''Z'' trilogy.
** Crowe's million-dollar debt[[labelnote:Explanation]]InUniverse, Crowe pilots the "Brasta" to work off his enormous financial debt; unfortunately, he continues to accumulate ''more'' debt is slowly reaching this level.
by way of DisasterDominoes and an expensive MidSeasonUpgrade to the Brasta.[[/labelnote]]
** "Wrong Tetsujin!" stemming Tetsujin!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Stems from the fan reaction to the 1980s series being used over the original or 2004 one.
one[[/labelnote]].
* MoralEventHorizon: [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Shikuu]] crosses it [[spoiler:when he kills the pregnant [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Annalotta Stohls]], causing the Geminides race to go extinct]]. Mitigated slightly when ''Tengoku-hen'' revealed [[spoiler: [[EvenEvilHasStandards [[spoiler:[[EvenEvilHasStandards he spared her twin offspring]]]].
* MostAnnoyingSound: MostAnnoyingSound
**
"[[Anime/EurekaSeven MOKYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN]]!" Whoever decided from the [[Anime/EurekaSeven Nirvash]] should do Nirvash Type-3]], because it says that ''every time it attacks'' should be shot.
attacks''.
** "Main Theme" for ''Dancougar Nova'' ''Anime/DancougarNova'' is so over-the-top serious it quickly gets annoying. Then there's annoying, including the delayed yell in the Dancougar Nova's final attack, courtesy of [[Anime/DancougarNova Aoi Hidaka]] (more specifically, a young Aoi[[note]]In the show's FinalBattle against [[spoiler:the original {{Anime/Dancougar}}, when they use the "Dankuudangaiken", it shows a young Aoi. The other pilots helped her out of a HeroicBSOD where she was imagining herself when she was a little girl]][[/note]]).
* MostWonderfulSound: MostWonderfulSound
**
The sound the "[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Twin Satellite Cannon]]" makes when it locks on, right before it fires fires, is absolutely ''glorious''.
glorious.
** "Main Theme" for ''Dancougar Nova'' counts as this for those who were afraid they'd be stuck with the rather bad rendition of "Tori no Uta" that the ''Z'' series trilogy uses. Sadly, since this theme {{Leitmotif}} is technically meant for use by the Nova Eagle, it does not appear in ''Saisei-hen'' or ''Jigoku-hen'', since the Dancougar is acquired much earlier or is already combined.
** Simon [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Simon]] and his shout of "[[ThisIsADrill Giga Drill Break]]", [[spoiler:particularly in the ''Jigoku-hen'' finale of the ''Gurren Lagann'' plot while using the titular galaxy-sized HumongousMecha]].
* {{Narm}}: Take a look at the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Sazabi's "All Range Attack"]] when it uses its [[LaserBlade beam sabers.sabers]]. It looks like a child throwing a temper tantrum at the robot.
* NeverLiveItDown: In Z3.2 Sumeragi, Mixed with MemeticMutation - in ''Tengoku-hen'', Sumeragi has a one-off line excusing a bunch of nonreturning non-returning characters by way of saying "nah, "No, let's split our force forces to keep the enemy busy", and /m/ busy". Unfortunately, the {{Mecha}} board of Website/FourChan turned that this line of dialogue into one where it essentitally states "Sumeragi gets rid of everybody".



** [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ The Edel Bernal's]]]] ultimate attack: first he creates a rip in the fabric of spacetime, briefly showing off a rather ominous looking eye before a massive, rainbow-colored horde of evil...somethings...burst out in a massive stream, with the boss' mech leading them like some demented band leader, and with the horde making a cacophony of creepy impish giggling. They swoop up, grab the hapless victim(s) and carry them into a dimension of pure rainbow insanity. They then get swarmed by a mass of blobs which is then assails by giant sperm, then eaten by a much larger one-eyed blob, which then collides with MORE one-eyed blobs, zooming out all the while, until suddenly the mass is blasted by at least a dozen lasers, until finally the final boss' mech looms large, [[spoiler: The Edel]] makes a rather wiggly cut-in, completely with a disturbing expression of pure elation and with a "BYE-BYE", before finally ending the madness by ramming his gigantic spear into the whole mess. Definitely a contender for creepiest attack in the series, tied with the BigBad in ''Alpha 3''.
** Dimensional Beasts increasingly become this.
** The [[spoiler:FinalBoss']] [[https://youtu.be/5XlRSiaDEoQ attack]] in ''Tengoku-hen'': bombarding the enemy with horrific visions of universal death and destruction rivals that of [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsAlpha Keisar Ephes]] and his "End of the Galaxy" attack]].
* NightmareRetardant: Shikuu's {{Leitmotif}} would actually be scary if the distorted voice playing in the background didn't sound like someone burping.
** The final attack from [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Barbiel the Needle]] would actually be creepy if the deer that appears during the SuperMovePortraitAttack wouldn't give viewers [[Disney/{{Bambi}} mental images from another animated movie featuring a deer whose mother was killed by a hunter]].

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** The ultimate attack from [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ The Edel Bernal's]]]] ultimate attack: first Bernal]]]]: he creates a rip in the fabric of spacetime, space-time, briefly showing off a rather ominous looking eye before a massive, rainbow-colored horde of evil...somethings...burst out in a massive stream, with the boss' mech leading them like some demented band leader, and with the horde making a cacophony of creepy impish giggling. They swoop up, grab the hapless victim(s) and carry them into a dimension of pure rainbow insanity. They then get swarmed by a mass of blobs blobs, which is then assails assailed by giant sperm, "giant sperm", then eaten by a much larger one-eyed blob, which then collides colliding with MORE one-eyed blobs, zooming out all the while, blobs. The camera zooms out, until suddenly the mass is blasted by at least a dozen lasers, FrickinLaserBeams, until finally the final boss' mech looms large, [[spoiler: The large and [[spoiler:The Edel]] makes a rather wiggly cut-in, completely SuperMovePortraitAttack, complete with a disturbing expression of pure elation and with elation. With a "BYE-BYE", before finally ending word of "Bye-Bye, he ends the madness by ramming his a gigantic spear into the whole mess. Definitely a contender for creepiest attack in the series, franchise, tied with the BigBad in ''Alpha 3''.
** The physical appearance of the Dimensional Beasts Beasts, including their origins, increasingly become this.
** The [[spoiler:FinalBoss']] FinalBoss' [[https://youtu.be/5XlRSiaDEoQ attack]] in ''Tengoku-hen'': bombarding the enemy with horrific visions of universal death and destruction rivals that of [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsAlpha [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsAlpha3 Keisar Ephes]] and his "End of the Galaxy" attack]].
* NightmareRetardant: NightmareRetardant
**
Shikuu's "Assemblage of Corpses" {{Leitmotif}} would actually be scary if the distorted voice playing in the background didn't sound like someone burping.
** The final attack from [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Barbiel the Needle]] would actually be creepy if the A deer that appears during the SuperMovePortraitAttack wouldn't give [[SuperMovePortraitAttack pilot cut-in]] for Barbiel the Needle's strongest attack: while the imagery should be creepy, viewers state they recall [[Disney/{{Bambi}} mental images from of another animated movie featuring a deer whose mother was killed by a hunter]].



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, alongside AuthorsSavingThrow and TookALevelInBadAss: When ''Anime/TheBigO'' debuted in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsDestiny'', it was [[TierInducedScrappy near useless]] by that game's [[GameBreakingBug broken standards]] and many players were pleasantly surprised after seeing it in action in ''Z'', where it's one of the best units and becomes better through weapon management, making it a nigh-GameBreaker with its high defense, range, and Roger Smith's high stats (more accurately, his skill set, allowing him to make use of the "Attack Again" pilot skill[[note]]If the defending enemy's skill stat is 20 points lower than the pilot's skill stat, the pilot may initiate a second attack in the same combat phase[[/note]]). It seemed like the developers were issuing an apology for its sheer shafting in ''Destiny''.
** Anime/{{Godmars}} as well, which was a scrappy unit in the same game due to the same bug and if it was destroyed, it was an instant game over. Although the same "game over" situation is in ''Hakai-hen'', Godmars is rendered as an ass-kicking tool of destruction that's nearly unstoppable. One fan on the Website/GameFAQs board described it as "two trucks duct-taped together with an atomic bomb", [[EarthShatteringKaboom which is an oddly accurate description of Godmars itself]]. It also helps that after the ''Godmars'' finale, the bomb is disposed of safely and there's now no game-ruining risk involved with using it.
** [[Manga/GetterRobo Getter-3]] in ''Hakai-hen'' is no longer a situational unit (at best): it's actually pretty good unit.
** If there's one pilot and unit people ragged on the most out of the ''Gundam 00'' pilots it's the Allelujah and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Kyrios Gundam]] for not being quite up to snuff with the other Celestial Being Gundams. Cue a 180 with the Arios in ''Saisei-hen'' winning fans over with better specs, having what many consider the best opening "[[SuperMode TRANS-AM]]" animation, an eventual ability to unleash Hallejuah and watching the machine jump between [[TransformingMecha jet/robot configurations]] in detailed animations.
** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Nena Trinity]] in the ''Second Z'': while she's still an evil psychotic bitch, what made her so hated in her home series ([[spoiler:killing Louise Halevy's family at a wedding on a total whim]]) is altered: she and her brothers bomb a political party [[spoiler:Louise's parents happened to be at]], apparently under orders. Nena's still the culprit, but doesn't hold '''sole''' culpability, and it being politically-driven rather than done ForTheEvulz makes her come off as less reprehensible.
** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Quess Paraya]] loses most of her {{Yandere}} traits in ''Jigoku-hen'', while [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Gyunei Guss]] doesn't take to his DragonWithAnAgenda situation from the film as much, [[spoiler:so much so that he assists Z-BLUE with pushing Axis back]].
** In its prior ''Z'' appearances, the [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X and Gundam Double X]] can only use the "Satellite Cannon" so long as the moon is out in scenarios. Unfortunately, the games neglect to tell players whether the moon is out or not. ''Tengoku-hen'' retools this mechanic by allowing the weapon's use so long as its pilot hits the Will requirement. Provided the moon appears in the scenario, the weapon takes one turn to charge; if not, two turns. After Scenario 33, regardless of whether the moon appears or not, the attack can be used every turn.
* ScrappyWeapon: Gurren Lagann's "Dreidel Burst" MAP attack consumes a lot of EN, can only hit five enemies at most, cannot be used post-movement, nor is it available in space-based scenarios, and can't hit enemies in the air unless the Gurren Lagann has an equippable part that gives all its weapons a terrain rating in air (having flight alone won't cover it, since it's canon flight upgrade doesn't change this attack's properties). Unfortunately, most players feel the machine performs sub-optimally in the air. At least it is replaced by Giga Drill Maximum in later games.
* SpiritualLicensee: The ''Z'' saga is one to the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy, if it took center stage for ''Super Robot Wars''. The [[spoiler:Supreme God Sol/Z]] is a parallel to the [[EldritchAbomination Reapers]] - an InUniverse force with NighInvulnerability [[spoiler:that has been wiping out civilizations for millions of years. Both entities feature a cycle of destruction and rebirth on a cosmic scale]]. The ability of [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Advent]]]] to brainwash characters by being in close proximity to them is similar to Reaper [[MoreThanMindControl Indoctrination]]. [[spoiler:The fact that he pretends to be an ally of Z-BLUE and plans to use the Supreme God for his own agenda]] is a slight [[CounterpartComparison nod]] to the Illusive Man.
* TearJerker: Many from the various franchises, but especially [[spoiler:the death of [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Aki]], which can be averted through GuideDangIt by getting invisible "points", putting her in stasis until a method to stop the bomb in her is discovered]]. Also doubles as PlayerPunch, as many players mercilessly slaughter [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Gaizock]] forces responsible for it in revenge. [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Kappei]] even changes character portraits from his usual smile to an angry expression for the rest of the scenario, along with a change in character description in the encyclopedia.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap
** Mixed
alongside AuthorsSavingThrow and TookALevelInBadAss: When when ''Anime/TheBigO'' debuted in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsDestiny'', it was [[TierInducedScrappy near useless]] by that game's [[GameBreakingBug broken standards]] and many players were pleasantly surprised after seeing it in action in ''Z'', where it's one of the best units and becomes better through weapon management, making it a nigh-GameBreaker with its high defense, range, and Roger Smith's high stats from [[Anime/TheBigO Roger Smith]] (more accurately, his skill set, allowing him to make use of the "Attack Again" pilot skill[[note]]If the defending enemy's skill stat is 20 points lower than the pilot's skill stat, the pilot may initiate a second attack in the same combat phase[[/note]]). It seemed like the developers were issuing an apology for its sheer shafting in ''Destiny''.
** Like the previous example, Anime/{{Godmars}} as well, which was a scrappy unit in the same game ''Destiny'' due to the same bug and if it was destroyed, it was an instant game over. Although the same "game over" situation is in ''Hakai-hen'', Godmars is rendered as an ass-kicking tool of destruction that's nearly unstoppable. One fan on the Website/GameFAQs board described it as "two trucks duct-taped together with an atomic bomb", [[EarthShatteringKaboom which is an oddly accurate description of Godmars itself]]. It also helps that after the ''Godmars'' finale, the bomb is disposed of safely and there's now no game-ruining risk involved with using it.
** %%** [[Manga/GetterRobo Getter-3]] in ''Hakai-hen'' is no longer a situational unit (at best): it's actually pretty good unit.
** If there's one pilot and unit people ragged on the most out of the ''Gundam 00'' pilots it's the Allelujah and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Kyrios Gundam]] for not being quite up to snuff with the other Celestial Being Gundams. Cue a 180 with the Arios in ''Saisei-hen'' winning fans over with better specs, having what many consider the best opening "[[SuperMode TRANS-AM]]" animation, an eventual ability to unleash Hallejuah and watching the machine jump between [[TransformingMecha jet/robot configurations]] in detailed animations.
** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Nena Trinity]] in the ''Second Z'': Z'' duology: while she's still an evil psychotic bitch, what made her so hated in her home series ([[spoiler:killing Louise Halevy's family at a wedding on a total whim]]) is altered: she and her brothers bomb a political party [[spoiler:Louise's parents happened to be at]], apparently under orders. Nena's still the culprit, but doesn't hold '''sole''' culpability, and it being politically-driven rather than done ForTheEvulz makes her come off as less reprehensible.
** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Quess Paraya]] loses most of her {{Yandere}} traits in ''Jigoku-hen'', while [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Gyunei Guss]] doesn't take to his DragonWithAnAgenda situation from the film as much, [[spoiler:so much so that he assists [[spoiler:even having him assist Z-BLUE with pushing Axis back]].
** In its prior ''Z'' appearances, the [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X and Gundam Double X]] can only use the "Satellite Cannon" so long as the moon is out in scenarios. Unfortunately, the games neglect to tell players whether the moon is out appears or not. ''Tengoku-hen'' retools this mechanic by allowing the weapon's use so long as its pilot hits the Will requirement. Provided the moon appears in the scenario, the weapon takes one turn to charge; if not, two turns. After Scenario 33, regardless of whether the moon appears or not, the attack can be used every turn.
* ScrappyWeapon: Gurren Lagann's "Dreidel Burst" MAP attack consumes a lot of EN, can only hit five enemies at most, cannot be used post-movement, nor is it available in space-based scenarios, and can't hit enemies in the air unless the Gurren Lagann has an equippable part that gives all of its weapons a terrain rating in the air (having flight alone won't cover it, since it's canon [[MechaExpansionPack flight upgrade upgrade]] doesn't change this attack's properties). Unfortunately, most players feel the machine performs sub-optimally in the air. At least it air, regardless. Fortunately, Dreidel Burst is replaced by Giga "Giga Drill Maximum Maximum" in later games.
* SpiritualLicensee: The ''Z'' saga is one trilogy to the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy, if it took center stage for ''Super Robot Wars''. The Wars'' - the [[spoiler:Supreme God Sol/Z]] is a parallel to the [[EldritchAbomination Reapers]] - Reapers]], an InUniverse force with NighInvulnerability [[spoiler:that has been wiping out civilizations for millions of years. Both entities feature a cycle of destruction and rebirth on a cosmic scale]]. The ability of [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Advent]]]] [[spoiler:Advent]] to brainwash characters by being in close proximity to them is similar to Reaper [[MoreThanMindControl Indoctrination]]. [[spoiler:The "[[MoreThanMindControl Indoctrination]]" and [[spoiler:the fact that he pretends to be an ally of Z-BLUE and plans to use the Supreme God for his own agenda]] is a slight [[CounterpartComparison nod]] to the "The Illusive Man.
Man".
* TearJerker: TearJerker
**
Many from the various franchises, but especially [[spoiler:the death of [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Aki]], which can be averted through GuideDangIt by getting invisible "points", putting her in stasis until a method to stop the bomb in her is discovered]]. Also doubles as PlayerPunch, as many players mercilessly slaughter [[Anime/{{Zambot "[[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Gaizock]] Gaizock]]" forces responsible for it in revenge. [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Kappei]] even changes character portraits from his usual smile to an angry expression for the rest of the scenario, along with a change in character description in the encyclopedia.



*** ''Jigoku-hen'' {{Retcon}}s [[spoiler:Euphemia being NotQuiteDead, where events reveal [[Anime/CodeGeass Lelouch Lamperouge]] was defeated by the [[Anime/CodeGeass Black Knights]], thus following the normal "Don't Trust Zero Route" where Euphemia is KilledOffForReal]].
*** Even "[[AxCrazy Batshit]]" Ryouma, of all people, screams for [[spoiler:Kamina]] in the same manner he does whenever [[Manga/GetterRobo Musashi]] bites the dust.
** Before heading off to fight the FinalBoss in ''Jigoku-hen'', Z-BLUE uses the teleport/warp points inside the [[spoiler:[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren]]]] to go home and visit their friends. Everyone gets to have what could be their last time with the people they love, the exception being Noriko. Although the party is quick to brighten her spirit, it's still a sad moment [[spoiler:considering [[Anime/{{Gunbuster}} Kazumi Amano]] isn't present in ''Jigoku-hen'']].
** ''[[{{Interquel}} Rengoku-hen]]'' pulls one with Setsuko [[spoiler:after acquiring the Virgola Glory S: her Sphere of the "Sorrowful Maiden" is going into a form of overdrive. For the entire scenario this happens, Setsuko sounds almost suicidial]].
* ThatOneBoss: The Overdevil, [[Anime/TurnAGundam Turn X]] and [[Anime/EurekaSeven Dewey Novak's flagship Ginga-gou]] in ''Z''

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*** ''Jigoku-hen'' {{Retcon}}s [[spoiler:Euphemia being NotQuiteDead, where events reveal [[Anime/CodeGeass Lelouch Lamperouge]] was defeated by the [[Anime/CodeGeass "[[Anime/CodeGeass Black Knights]], Knights]]", thus following the normal "Don't Trust Zero Route" where Euphemia is KilledOffForReal]].
*** Even "[[AxCrazy Batshit]]" Ryouma, [[Manga/GetterRobo Ryouma Nagare]], of all people, screams for [[spoiler:Kamina]] in the same manner he does whenever [[Manga/GetterRobo Musashi]] Musashi Tomoe]] bites the dust.
** Before heading off to fight the FinalBoss in ''Jigoku-hen'', Z-BLUE uses the teleport/warp points inside the [[spoiler:[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren]]]] to go home and visit their friends. Everyone gets to have what could be their last time with the people they love, the exception being Noriko.[[Anime/{{Gunbuster}} Noriko]]. Although the party is quick to brighten her spirit, it's still a sad moment [[spoiler:considering [[Anime/{{Gunbuster}} Kazumi Amano]] isn't present in ''Jigoku-hen'']].
** ''[[{{Interquel}} Rengoku-hen]]'' pulls one with Setsuko [[spoiler:after acquiring the Virgola "Virgola Glory S: S": her Sphere of the "Sorrowful Maiden" is going into a form of overdrive. For the entire scenario this happens, Setsuko sounds almost suicidial]].
* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss
**
The Overdevil, [[Anime/TurnAGundam Turn X]] and [[Anime/EurekaSeven Dewey Novak's flagship Ginga-gou]] in ''Z''



** [[spoiler:Level 99 Gaioh in ''Saisei-hen'', provided the player is progressing on hard difficulty and picked the second of a particular conversation choice]].
** [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Haman Karn]] in ''Jigoku-hen'', during the "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Day of the Unicorn]]" event, thanks to god-like evasion rates and having no one on the allied roster with accuracy-increasing Spirit Commands at their disposal.

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** [[spoiler:Level 99 Gaioh [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Gaioh]] in ''Saisei-hen'', provided the player is players are progressing on hard difficulty and picked the second of a particular conversation choice]].
** [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Haman Karn]] in ''Jigoku-hen'', ''Jigoku-hen'' during the "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Day of the Unicorn]]" event, thanks to god-like evasion rates and having no one on the allied roster with accuracy-increasing Spirit Commands at their disposal.



** [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Leonard Testarossa in the Belial]] for ''Tengoku-hen'' in Scenario 16, due to his machine's "Lambda Driver" reducing damage by a whopping ''90%'', effectively giving him more than 150000 HP. If players are on the hard difficulty, Leonard will also unlock his "Ace Bonus".
** All enemy Sphere Reactors are this, but once [[Character/SuperRobotWarsZ Straus]] gets serious in ''Tengoku-hen'', he ascends to be a level 70 boss when most allied pilots are just hitting the mid-40s. Worse, his unit contains an eleven-ranged ALL attack with incredibly high accuracy and can perform three actions per turn.
* ThatOneLevel: The final scenario for Rand on EX-Hard Mode is ''insanely'' annoying, both because of its length and the sheer DifficultySpike the BigBad is compared to the previous scenarios. SaveScumming is almost a must to avoid an {{Unwinnable}} situation.
** Some of the special scenario requirements are near impossible to beat without a great deal of luck and SaveScumming. The only real way to beat ''Z'' on EX-Hard Mode while getting the SR Points and hidden ending points and such is LevelGrinding repair units (making Rand's route a little easier since the Gunleon has this ability) to high levels as soon as you get a scenario without a time limit.

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** [[LightNovel/FullMetalPanic Leonard Testarossa in the Belial]] for ''Tengoku-hen'' in Scenario 16, due to his machine's "Lambda Driver" reducing damage by a whopping ''90%'', effectively giving him more than 150000 HP.{{Hit Point}}s. If players are on the hard difficulty, Leonard will also unlock his "Ace Bonus".
** All enemy Sphere Reactors are this, but once [[Character/SuperRobotWarsZ Straus]] Straus gets serious in ''Tengoku-hen'', he ascends to be a level 70 boss when most allied pilots are just hitting the their mid-40s. Worse, his unit contains an eleven-ranged ''eleven-ranged'' ALL attack with incredibly high accuracy and can perform three actions per turn.
* ThatOneLevel: ThatOneLevel
**
The final scenario for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Rand Travis]] on [[HarderThanHard EX-Hard Mode Mode]] is ''insanely'' annoying, both because of its length and the sheer DifficultySpike the BigBad is compared to the previous scenarios. SaveScumming is almost a must to avoid an {{Unwinnable}} situation.
** Some of the special scenario requirements are near impossible to beat without a great deal of luck and SaveScumming. The only real way to beat ''Z'' on EX-Hard Mode while getting the SR Points and hidden ending points and such is LevelGrinding repair units (making Rand's route a little easier since the Gunleon "Gunleon" has this ability) to high levels as soon as you get a scenario without a time limit.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The ''Second Z'' being on a handheld attracted a large number of complaints, as well as the removal of the "TRI-Battle System". A combination of these two things has also limited returning series to their key cast members and units only. Additionally, the fact [[WhatCouldHaveBeen it was planned to be a PlayStation 2 game]] had some fans upset, as the [=PSP=] is seen as a downgrade in terms of graphical capabilities.
** Replacing the ''Eureka Seven'' TV series with the not-so-well received movie in ''Hakai-hen'' had fans crying it was ruined now that the Nirvash is no longer broken, since many consider the film version of the machine as garbage. With ''Eureka Seven'' totally removed from ''Tengoku-hen'', nearly all players agree this is not a step in the right direction regarding the ''Z'' series.
** ''Macross Frontier'' units are rendered size "M" rather than "S" in ''Hakai-hen'', and no longer have their "Pinpoint Barrier" unit ability[[note]]Nullify damage below 1000[[/note]] from ''L'', which means they're no longer {{Game Breaker}}s. Naturally, people complained; however, the barrier does return in ''Saisei-hen''.
*** What's funny is ''L'' [[MisBlamed got the size wrong, too]]: the [[Anime/MacrossFrontier VF-25 Messiah]] is roughly the same height as medium-sized mainstays Mazinger Z and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam RX-78-2 Gundam]], making it too large to be considered "small". ''L'' worked them in due to a lack of small units (it only had the [[Anime/KotetsuJeeg Jeegs]] and the Anime/{{Iczer}}s), but ''Hakai-hen'' has enough small units to restore them to their original size.
** Part of the fanbase complained "Tori no Uta" and "[[Anime/MacrossFrontier LION]]" (and by extension, the entire soundtrack of ''Macross Frontier'') is much better in ''L'' than it is in the ''Second Z''. Don't even try to mention "[[FinishingMove Absolute Nova Beast Attack]]" for the ''Dancougar Nova''. Likewise, ''Macross 7'' gets a bit of a flak for not including some of their songs, mostly "Angel Voice" and "Holy Lonely Night". This may have been the reason why ''Jigoku-hen'' began allowing custom [=BGMs=].
** ''Jigoku-hen'' wasn't kind to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yui]] when they made [[Creator/HikaruMidorikawa his quotes to enemies and bosses]] as generic, lacking the entire "Target, X enemy." that fans loved both in ''Hakai'' and ''Saisei''. Fortunately, this was brought back in ''Tengoku''.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Although Advent and his Asclepus wind up rescuing [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Hibiki Kamishiro]] in dynamic moments, he pulls a HeroicSacrifice to imbalance the "Sphere of the Quarreling Twins", allowing Hibiki to acquire it for himself]]. Arguably subverted [[spoiler:when it's a ThanatosGambit for him to become the vessel for the Supreme God Z to recreate the universe in his own image]].
* TheScrappy: The Angels, sans Advent, are hated by a lot of players for their one-dimensional personalities, barely interesting plots, over hyped as the ultimate villains only for them to hold a lot of the VillainBall, having HolierThanThou personalities by claiming that everything they say is "beyond human comprehension", and being generic villains that fans wonder how would any of the other series villains would even think these guys were the greatest beings in the universe. It's a blessing to players that [[spoiler: Advent finally kills them off to become the FinalBoss of the entire saga.]]
* TheWoobie: Setsuko; Uther might've surpassed her for this status in ''Saisei-hen''.
** Hibiki: [[spoiler:his mother was manipulated into killing her son, but is DrivenToSuicide because she wouldn't harm him. One of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ The Four Angels]] murders Hibiki's father and sister in front of him just to see the boy's reaction. In ''Jigoku-hen'', Hibiki loses his friend Advent when fighting [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Gadlight Meonsam]], except Advent turns out perfectly well in ''Tengoku-hen'', only to betray him and Z-BLUE since he was EvilAllAlong. To make matters worse, Maki the nurse is one of Advent's subordinates AND Advent was the culprit responsible for killing his family. Fellow Genion co-pilot [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Suzune Saijou]] has her hidden personality "Ambriel" emerge and takes over, pulling a FaceHeelTurn. Finally, Ambriel reveals the Genion was intended for Suzune's use, ''not'' Hibiki, making everything up to that point in ''Tengoku-hen'' basically an accident on his account]]. Fortunately, Hibiki does toughen up, and turns into an IronWoobie at the core.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks
**
The ''Second Z'' duology being on a handheld attracted a large number of complaints, as well as the removal of the "TRI-Battle System". A combination of these two things has also limited returning series to their key cast members and units only. Additionally, the fact [[WhatCouldHaveBeen it was planned to be a PlayStation 2 game]] had some fans upset, as the [=PSP=] Sony UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable is seen as a downgrade in terms of graphical capabilities.
** Replacing the ''Eureka Seven'' ''Anime/EurekaSeven'' TV series with the not-so-well received movie in ''Hakai-hen'' had fans crying it was ruined now that the Nirvash is no longer broken, since many consider the film version of the machine as garbage. With ''Eureka Seven'' totally removed from ''Tengoku-hen'', nearly all players agree this is not a step in the right direction regarding the ''Z'' series.
** ''Macross Frontier'' units are rendered size "M" rather than "S" in ''Hakai-hen'', and no longer have their "Pinpoint Barrier" unit ability[[note]]Nullify damage below 1000[[/note]] from ''L'', ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsL'', which means they're no longer {{Game Breaker}}s. Naturally, people complained; however, the barrier does return in ''Saisei-hen''.
*** What's funny is ''L'' [[MisBlamed got the size wrong, too]]: the [[Anime/MacrossFrontier "[[Anime/MacrossFrontier VF-25 Messiah]] Messiah]]" is roughly the same height as medium-sized mainstays Mazinger Z and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam RX-78-2 Gundam]], Gundam]]", making it too large to be considered "small". ''L'' worked them in due to a lack of small units (it only had the [[Anime/KotetsuJeeg Jeegs]] and the Anime/{{Iczer}}s), but ''Hakai-hen'' has enough small units to restore them to their original size.
** Part of the fanbase complained "Tori no Uta" and "[[Anime/MacrossFrontier LION]]" (and by extension, the entire soundtrack of ''Macross Frontier'') is much better in ''L'' than it is in the ''Second Z''. Z'' duology. Don't even try to mention "[[FinishingMove Absolute Nova Beast Attack]]" for the ''Dancougar Nova''. Likewise, Nova''; likewise, ''Macross 7'' gets a bit of a flak for not including some of their songs, mostly "Angel Voice" and "Holy Lonely Night". This may have been the reason why ''Jigoku-hen'' began allowing custom [=BGMs=].
** ''Jigoku-hen'' wasn't kind to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yui]] Yuy]] when they made [[Creator/HikaruMidorikawa his quotes to enemies bosses and bosses]] enemies]] as generic, generic as possible, lacking the entire "Target, X enemy." enemy" that fans loved both in ''Hakai'' and ''Saisei''. the ''Second Z'' duology. Fortunately, this was brought back in ''Tengoku''.
''Tengoku-hen''.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Although Advent and his Asclepus wind up rescuing [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Hibiki Kamishiro]] in dynamic moments, he pulls a HeroicSacrifice to imbalance the "Sphere of the Quarreling Twins", allowing Hibiki to acquire it for himself]]. Arguably subverted Subverted [[spoiler:when it's a ThanatosGambit for him Advent to become the vessel for the Supreme God Z to recreate the universe in his own image]].
* TheScrappy: "[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZWalkingSpoilers The Angels, Four Angels]]", sans Advent, [[spoiler:Advent]], are hated by a lot of players for their one-dimensional personalities, barely interesting plots, over hyped over-hyped as the ultimate villains for the ''Z'' series, only for them to hold a lot of the VillainBall, having HolierThanThou personalities by claiming that everything they say is "beyond human comprehension", and being generic villains that fans wonder how would howwould any of the other series villains would even think these guys were the greatest beings in the universe. It's a blessing to players that [[spoiler: [[spoiler:when Advent finally kills them off to become the FinalBoss of the entire saga.]]
saga]].
* TheWoobie: Setsuko; TheWoobie
** Setsuko, though
Uther might've surpassed her for this status in ''Saisei-hen''.
** Hibiki: [[spoiler:his mother was manipulated into killing her son, but is DrivenToSuicide because she wouldn't harm him. One of [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ The the Four Angels]] Angels murders Hibiki's father and sister in front of him just to see the boy's reaction. In ''Jigoku-hen'', Hibiki loses his friend Advent when fighting [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Gadlight Meonsam]], Gadlight, except Advent turns out perfectly well in ''Tengoku-hen'', only to betray him and Z-BLUE since he was EvilAllAlong. To make matters worse, Maki the nurse is one of Advent's subordinates AND Advent was the culprit responsible for killing his family. Fellow Genion co-pilot [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Suzune Saijou]] has her hidden personality "Ambriel" emerge and takes over, pulling a FaceHeelTurn. Finally, Ambriel reveals the Genion was intended for Suzune's use, ''not'' Hibiki, making everything up to that point in ''Tengoku-hen'' basically an accident on his account]]. Fortunately, Hibiki does toughen up, and turns into an IronWoobie at the core.
core.
9th Mar '17 5:21:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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%%* TheyJustDidntCare: Many people feel this way about many things from the Z3 games. These include, but are not limited to:
%%** The Attack Animations:
%%** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks:
%%** The removal of some series:
9th Mar '17 2:21:22 PM WolfThunder
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* UpToEleven: ''Saisei-hen'' is the only [=SRW=] to date to surpass the [[http://akurasu.net/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars/Z2.2/Series number of series in a single game]] previously set by ''Alpha 3''.

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* UpToEleven: ''Saisei-hen'' is the only [=SRW=] to date to surpass the [[http://akurasu.net/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars/Z2.2/Series number of series in a single game]] previously set by ''Alpha 3''.
9th Mar '17 2:15:38 PM WolfThunder
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%%* TheyJustDidntCare: Many people feel this way about many things from the Z3 games. These include, but are not limited to:
%%** The Attack Animations:
%%** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks:
%%** The removal of some series:
24th Oct '16 3:56:07 PM nombretomado
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** Anime/{{Godmars}} as well, which was a scrappy unit in the same game due to the same bug and if it was destroyed, it was an instant game over. Although the same "game over" situation is in ''Hakai-hen'', Godmars is rendered as an ass-kicking tool of destruction that's nearly unstoppable. One fan on the {{GameFAQs}} board described it as "two trucks duct-taped together with an atomic bomb", [[EarthShatteringKaboom which is an oddly accurate description of Godmars itself]]. It also helps that after the ''Godmars'' finale, the bomb is disposed of safely and there's now no game-ruining risk involved with using it.

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** Anime/{{Godmars}} as well, which was a scrappy unit in the same game due to the same bug and if it was destroyed, it was an instant game over. Although the same "game over" situation is in ''Hakai-hen'', Godmars is rendered as an ass-kicking tool of destruction that's nearly unstoppable. One fan on the {{GameFAQs}} Website/GameFAQs board described it as "two trucks duct-taped together with an atomic bomb", [[EarthShatteringKaboom which is an oddly accurate description of Godmars itself]]. It also helps that after the ''Godmars'' finale, the bomb is disposed of safely and there's now no game-ruining risk involved with using it.
26th Jun '16 12:28:53 PM WolfThunder
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* TheyJustDidntCare: Many people feel this way about many things from the Z3 games. These include, but are not limited to:
** The Attack Animations: This is especially jarring for some people since, because this is the first licensed ''Super Robot Wars'' game on an HD console, it ''should'' look awesome.
** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks: No crossover Inazuma Kick.
** The removal of some series: ''Anime/EurekaSeven'' is probably the biggest one.
26th Jun '16 2:12:57 AM WolfThunder
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** The Attack Animations:
** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks:
** The removal of some series:

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** The Attack Animations:
Animations: This is especially jarring for some people since, because this is the first licensed ''Super Robot Wars'' game on an HD console, it ''should'' look awesome.
** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks:
Attacks: No crossover Inazuma Kick.
** The removal of some series:series: ''Anime/EurekaSeven'' is probably the biggest one.
26th Jun '16 2:06:53 AM WolfThunder
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* TheyJustDidntCare: Many people feel this way about many things from the Z3 games. These include, but are not limited to:
** The Attack Animations:
** The lack of Crossover Combination Attacks:
** The removal of some series:
26th May '16 8:22:36 AM salvadorfranz
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* TheScrappy: The Angels, sans Advent, are hated by a lot of players for their one-dimensional personalities, barely interesting plots, over hyped as the ultimate villains only for them to hold a lot of the VillainBall, having HolierThanThou personalities by claiming that everything they say is "beyond human comprehension", and being generic villains that fans wonder how would any of the other series villains would even think these guys were the greatest beings in the universe. It's a blessing to players that [[spoiler: Advent finally kills them off to become the FinalBoss of the entire saga.]]
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