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** Talpa's method of summoning more Nether Spirits in the climax of episode 9 sounds less like a creepy, mystical incantation and more like he's rehearsing for an opera show.
--> Talpa: "Ariiiiise! Riiiiiiise! Riiiiiiiiiise!"
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* MagnificentBastard: [[NobleDemon Anubis Dohji]], youngest and leader of the Dynasty's four warlords, was [[FallenHero once a brilliant young warrior]] seduced by the promises of Lord Talpa. Becoming the [[TheDreaded Warlord of Cruelty]], Anubis immediately centers in on the Ronin leader Ryo Sanada with numerous plans and schemes to lure him into an honorable duel. Easily proving himself a match for the entire Ronin force himself at times, Anubis also remained ahead of the other Warlords who coveted his position. Upon realizing the depths of Talpa's evil, Anubis takes back his destiny and [[HeelFaceTurn becomes the successor to the heroic Ancient One]], helping to plot the downfall of the Dynasty and guiding the Ronins to defeat Talpa. Upon encountering Kayura, last of the Ancient One's clan and possessed by Talpa's evil, Anubis dons the Armor of Cruelty once more to face her, expelling Talpa's right hand Badamon from her at cost of a fatal wound and securing her redemption and ultimate salvation of the world at [[HeroicSacrifice the cost of his own life]].
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I looked up the origin of that phrase. Ryo essentially called Sekhmet's mom a whore. I'm impressed they got away with that in the dub! XD


* {{Narm}}: One of the more (in)famous lines from the dub is Ryo's "[[YourMom Your mother wears army boots!]]" That said, [[NarmCharm it's a favorite line amongst fans, despite its inherent silliness.]]

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* {{Narm}}: One of the more (in)famous lines from the dub is Ryo's "[[YourMom Your mother wears army boots!]]" That said, [[NarmCharm it's a favorite line amongst fans, despite its inherent silliness.fans,]] thanks to [[DemographicallyInappropriateHumour the cheesy dub script managing to sneak in a dirty joke.]]
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* FanNickname: The Ancient often gets called "Raiden" because of his resemblance to the 1995 Film/MortalKombat movie's depiction of Raiden, even though the original Japanese version of the series predates the entire Franchise/MortalKombat franchise by 4 years, and the movie by 7 years. (Though the dub was airing around the same time as film's original theatrical release.)

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* FanNickname: The Ancient often gets called "Raiden" because of his resemblance to the 1995 Film/MortalKombat movie's ''Film/MortalKombatTheMovie'''s depiction of Raiden, even though the original Japanese version of the series predates the entire Franchise/MortalKombat franchise by 4 years, and the movie by 7 years. (Though the dub was airing around the same time as film's original theatrical release.)
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* FoeYay: The official Ronin[=/=]Warlord rivalries are sources. The rivalry between Anubis[=/=]Shuten and Ryo breaks the mold, but takes the FoeYay to the next level. Rowan and Kayura definitely had their moments of this, too:
--> Rowen: It looks like I'm falling for you, Kayura!
--> Kayura: You know I'll only break your heart!

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* FoeYay: FanNickname: The official Ronin[=/=]Warlord rivalries are sources. The rivalry between Anubis[=/=]Shuten and Ryo breaks the mold, but takes the FoeYay Ancient often gets called "Raiden" because of his resemblance to the next level. Rowan 1995 Film/MortalKombat movie's depiction of Raiden, even though the original Japanese version of the series predates the entire Franchise/MortalKombat franchise by 4 years, and Kayura definitely had their moments of this, too:
--> Rowen: It looks like I'm falling for you, Kayura!
--> Kayura: You know I'll only break your heart!
the movie by 7 years. (Though the dub was airing around the same time as film's original theatrical release.)
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I remember seeing this on multiple online sources, including Anime News Network.


* HilariousInHindsight: Given that series is often compared to ''Saint Seiya'', the fact that Ryo's voice actor Creator/TakeshiKusao wound up being the modern day voice actor for Capricorn Shura [[note]] Creator/KojiTotani declined to reprise his role prior to his death in 2006[[/note]] would definitely count as this.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Given that series is often compared to ''Saint Seiya'', the fact that Ryo's voice actor Creator/TakeshiKusao wound up being the modern day voice actor for Capricorn Shura [[note]] Creator/KojiTotani declined to reprise his role prior to his death in 2006[[/note]] would definitely count as this. (Though Kusao had voiced Wolf Nachi from episodes 60-114 of the 80's Anime, taking over for Creator/HideyukiTanaka.)

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** It doesn't help that both of their voice actors share the same last name (possibly married?).



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The series was a major part of the early anime boom in North America, and has nostalgic fans there to this day. Interestingly, its success is sometimes blamed as being at the expense of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'''s. Despite capitalizing on the latter's success in Japan, this series was localized in English much sooner because it didn't require nearly as much censorship to air on children's television. By the time ''Seiya'' was finally localized for North American audiences, it was often seen as a ripoff of this.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The series was a major part of the early anime boom in North America, and has nostalgic fans there to this day. Interestingly, its success is sometimes blamed as being at the expense of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'''s. Despite capitalizing on the latter's success in Japan, this series was localized in English much sooner because it didn't require nearly as much censorship to air on children's television. By the time ''Seiya'' was finally localized for North American audiences, it was often at the time seen as a ripoff of this.


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* HilariousInHindsight: Given that series is often compared to ''Saint Seiya'', the fact that Ryo's voice actor Creator/TakeshiKusao wound up being the modern day voice actor for Capricorn Shura [[note]] Creator/KojiTotani declined to reprise his role prior to his death in 2006[[/note]] would definitely count as this.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: The [[spoiler:new armors]] in ''Message'' are rather garish and ugly.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: The [[spoiler:new armors]] in ''Message'' are rather garish and ugly.ugly.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The series was a major part of the early anime boom in North America, and has nostalgic fans there to this day. Interestingly, its success is sometimes blamed as being at the expense of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'''s. Despite capitalizing on the latter's success in Japan, this series was localized in English much sooner because it didn't require nearly as much censorship to air on children's television. By the time ''Seiya'' was finally localized for North American audiences, it was often seen as a ripoff of this.
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I fixed a grammatical error.


* CommonKnowledge: The most commonly cited reason on the Internet for why the English voices of some of the characters were different in episode 2 was that some of the voice actors were out sick on the day of recording. The actual reason behind the voice changes is that episode 2 was that said episode was dubbed before episode 1 to serve as a test pilot for the dub. When the English dub was successfully picked up, [[TheOtherDarrin the voices of Kento, Cale, Dais, and Mia had changed,]] and episode 2 wasn't redubbed with the permanent voice cast.

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* CommonKnowledge: The most commonly cited reason on the Internet for why the English voices of some of the characters were different in episode 2 was that some of the voice actors were out sick on the day of recording. The actual reason behind the voice changes is that in episode 2 was that said episode was dubbed before episode 1 to serve as a test pilot for the dub. When the English dub was successfully picked up, [[TheOtherDarrin the voices of Kento, Cale, Dais, and Mia had changed,]] and episode 2 wasn't redubbed with the permanent voice cast.
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* "CommonKnowledge": The most commonly cited reason on the Internet for why the English voices of some of the characters were different in episode 2 was that some of the voice actors were out sick on the day of recording. The actual reason behind the voice changes is that episode 2 was that said episode was dubbed before episode 1 to serve as a test pilot for the dub. When the English dub was successfully picked up, [[TheOtherDarrin the voices of Kento, Cale, Dais, and Mia had changed,]] and episode 2 wasn't redubbed with the permanent voice cast.

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* "CommonKnowledge": CommonKnowledge: The most commonly cited reason on the Internet for why the English voices of some of the characters were different in episode 2 was that some of the voice actors were out sick on the day of recording. The actual reason behind the voice changes is that episode 2 was that said episode was dubbed before episode 1 to serve as a test pilot for the dub. When the English dub was successfully picked up, [[TheOtherDarrin the voices of Kento, Cale, Dais, and Mia had changed,]] and episode 2 wasn't redubbed with the permanent voice cast.
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* "CommonKnowledge": The most commonly cited reason on the Internet for why the English voices of some of the characters were different in episode 2 was that some of the voice actors were out sick on the day of recording. The actual reason behind the voice changes is that episode 2 was that said episode was dubbed before episode 1 to serve as a test pilot for the dub. When the English dub was successfully picked up, [[TheOtherDarrin the voices of Kento, Cale, Dais, and Mia had changed,]] and episode 2 wasn't redubbed with the permanent voice cast.
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GCPTR isn't YMMV.


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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Uncensored nudity managed to get past Creator/CartoonNetwork's censors. ''Twice''.

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* {{Macekre}}: ''Ronin Warriors'' averts this. Excluding the name changes to characters and attacks (as well as some editing around of scenes in the first two episodes), the dub stays as faithful to the original show as possible. Characters die, the level of violence stays practically untouched, and [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar a brief flash of a naked Lady Kayura was even left intact]]. (Not even Cartoon Network caught that last one.) The dub's adherence to a faithful adaptation made ''Ronin Warriors'' one of the least-Macekred shows of its time.

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* {{Macekre}}: ''Ronin Warriors'' averts this. Excluding the name changes to characters and attacks (as well as some editing around of scenes in the first two episodes), the dub stays as faithful to the original show as possible. Characters die, the level of violence stays practically untouched, and [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar a brief flash of a naked Lady Kayura was even left intact]].intact. (Not even Cartoon Network caught that last one.) The dub's adherence to a faithful adaptation made ''Ronin Warriors'' one of the least-Macekred shows of its time.
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* {{Padding}}: The ''Message'' [=OVA=] has a ratio of about 6 monologues/ClipShow montages to every actual plot point. Not all of the monologues are bad per se, but there's no excuse for Suzunagi's '''''10+ MINUTE''''' monologue on the seasons.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Sage, popularly shipped with Rowan, Ryo, Cale, Anubis, and Mia.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything.

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BaseBreakingCharacter: The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put the armor on in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time (as is common for [[ShonenDemographic shonen]] series), combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put the armor on in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time (as is common for [[ShonenDemographic shonen]] series), combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.scenario.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: The [[spoiler:new armors]] in ''Message'' are rather garish and ugly.
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** Both Japanese and American fans have said that ''Message'' is too difficult to follow. WordOfGod said the [=OVA=] was not meant for entertainment purposes, but as a way for the characters to [[MoreThanMeetsTheEye express themselves and the world of the armors]].

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** Both Japanese and American fans have said that ''Message'' is incoherent and too difficult to follow.follow (especially with Suzunagi's motivations and the conclusion of her plot). WordOfGod said the [=OVA=] was not meant for entertainment purposes, but as a way for the characters to [[MoreThanMeetsTheEye express themselves and the world of the armors]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put the armor on in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put the armor on in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, time (as is common for [[ShonenDemographic shonen]] series), combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.

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%%%% This doesn't say anything about "sexy" and the only "evil" part is indirect by saying she doesn't stay evil.
%%%* EvilIsSexy: Lady Kayura, at least until [[spoiler:her HeelFaceTurn later on.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put on armor in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put on the armor on in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put on armor in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put on armor in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers.PsychicPowers, and she goes about subjecting them to a ''vicious'' AndIMustScream scenario.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: At the end of the series, [[spoiler:Lady Kayura has been freed from her BrainwashedAndCrazy status, and the Warlords have come to their senses and made a HeelFaceTurn. Do they do anything in the final battle? Nope.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: At the end of the series, [[spoiler:Lady Kayura has been freed from her BrainwashedAndCrazy status, and the Warlords have come to their senses and made a HeelFaceTurn. Do they do anything in the final battle? Nope.]]]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suzunagi in ''Message''. She's clearly supposed to be a kind of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but the fact remains that she's going after the ''heroes'' of the series, who only put on armor in order to survive and defend the human world from Talpa. The fact that they were [[HarmfulToMinors minors]] at the time, combined with their monologues indicating that they were traumatized by their circumstances, appears to escape her despite her PsychicPowers.
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** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli--and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s--crying.]]

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** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli--and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s--crying.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: At the end of the series, [[spoiler:Lady Kayura has been freed from her BrainwashedAndCrazy status, and the Warlords have come to their senses and made a HeelFaceTurn. Do they do anything in the final battle? Nope.
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A character cannot be a Scrappy and a Base-Breaking Character at the same time.


* TheScrappy: Depending on which segment of the fandom you ask, this can be either Yuli, Mia, Lady Kayura, Suzunagi, or ''all four''.
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** In the first OVA, ''Gaiden'', Ryo falls in love with Luna ([[spoiler:who is later killed by the BigBad]]). Seiji and Nasuti flirt with each other a few times in ''Samurai Troopers'', but the dub ignores this. Rowen is part of a fan-preferred couple with Lady Kayura, despite the fact that she is physically twelve. Fanfiction writers often ignore those relationships in favor of gay relationships between the heroes.
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--> Ryo: Listen! Listen to me everybody... before it's too late.

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--> Ryo: Listen! Listen to me everybody...everyone... before it's too late.
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** The English language version of this lives and breathes Narm thanks to TotallyRadical dialogue, and a number of lines that get repeated ''alot'' thanks to Toonami's preview commercials. In particular in a first episode line:
--> Ryo: Listen! Listen to me everybody... before it's too late.

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* EvilIsSexy: Lady Kayura, at least until [[spoiler:her HeelFaceTurn later on.]]

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EvilIsSexy: Lady Kayura, at least until [[spoiler:her HeelFaceTurn later on.]]



* FridgeBrilliance: Why can Kayura handle just about anyone save [[spoiler:Ryo using the Inferno Armor]]? Because [[spoiler:she's the last of the line of Ancients, one of whom was able to defeat the very source of the armors in the first place]].

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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Why can Kayura handle just about anyone save [[spoiler:Ryo using the Inferno Armor]]? Because [[spoiler:she's the last of the line of Ancients, one of whom was able to defeat the very source of the armors in the first place]].



* HoYay: '''''DAMN.''''' ...er, this was bound to be a factor given the CastFullOfPrettyBoys. The heroes are all in their early-teens, but the show doesn't have any romantic component to speak of. When you further consider how close-knit their friendship is--and how most of them are from broken families--you can't help but wonder.

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* HoYay: '''''DAMN.''''' ...er, this was bound to be a factor given the CastFullOfPrettyBoys.
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The heroes are all in their early-teens, but the show doesn't have any romantic component to speak of. When you further consider how close-knit their friendship is--and how most of them are from broken families--you can't help but wonder.



* TearJerker: [[spoiler:White Blaze's sacrifice. But [[BackFromTheDead he got better]].]]

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[[spoiler:White Blaze's sacrifice. But [[BackFromTheDead he got better]].]]
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He's a Scrappy, not this trope.


** In that same fandom, Yuli gets more hate than the majority of the characters despite only being [[ThinkOfTheChildren eight years old]] and having been [[ParentsInDistress separated from his parents]].

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