History YMMV / RoninWarriors

29th Jul '16 8:04:42 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything.

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The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything.
26th Mar '16 6:09:26 PM MagBas
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* BaseBreaker: The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything. Kayura and Suzunagi are constantly accused of being {{Mary Sue}}s.

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* BaseBreaker: The canon females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything. Kayura and Suzunagi are constantly accused of being {{Mary Sue}}s.



** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli--and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s--crying.]]

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** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli--and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s--crying.]]
27th Jan '16 7:18:12 PM SirSapphire
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** It's noted that Ryo is TheHero, but not TheLeader. The good guys don't ''have'' a leader because they're Ronin, or masterless Samurai.
14th Aug '15 3:42:13 PM StevieWillShowYou
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* BaseBreaker: The canon females (especially Mia, Kayura, and Suzunagi) are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything, while Kayura and Suzunagi are constantly accused of being {{Mary Sue}}s.
** In the NA fandom Yuli gets more hate than the majority of the characters despite only being around [[ThinkOfTheChildren eight years old]] and having been [[ParentsInDistress separated from his parents]].
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Lord Talpa (Arago)]] was a [[EvilOverlord brutal conqueror]] who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and {{mind rape}}s him into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa [[BadBoss betrays his men]] for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. He shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Defined by his {{greed}}, hunger for power, and cruelty, Talpa is [[CardCarryingVillain proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past]].
* EvilIsSexy: Lady Kayura, at least until [[spoiler: her HeelFaceTurn later on.]]
* FoeYay: The official Ronin/Warlord rivalries are sources. The rivalry between Anubis/Shuten and Ryo breaks the mold, but takes the FoeYay to the next level. Rowan and Kayura definitely had their moments of this too.

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* BaseBreaker: The canon females (especially females--especially Mia, Lady Kayura, and Suzunagi) are Suzunagi--are either admired or loathed in the [[AmericansHateTingle American fandom]]. Mia is seen as either a PluckyGirl who does what she can despite her lack of fighting skills or a DamselScrappy who gets in the way of everything, while everything. Kayura and Suzunagi are constantly accused of being {{Mary Sue}}s.
** In the NA fandom that same fandom, Yuli gets more hate than the majority of the characters despite only being around [[ThinkOfTheChildren eight years old]] and having been [[ParentsInDistress separated from his parents]].
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Lord Talpa (Arago)]] was a [[EvilOverlord brutal conqueror]] who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and Warlords; when their [[TheDragon Warlord leader Anubis]] begins to waver wavers in his conviction, convictions, Talpa tortures and {{mind rape}}s him into servitude before absorbing the lot of them Warlords to regain his corporeal form. Talpa [[BadBoss betrays his men]] for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. He shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she outlives her usefulness is over]] usefulness]], and he eventually has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Defined by his {{greed}}, hunger for power, and cruelty, Talpa is [[CardCarryingVillain proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past]].
* EvilIsSexy: Lady Kayura, at least until [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her HeelFaceTurn later on.]]
* FoeYay: The official Ronin/Warlord Ronin[=/=]Warlord rivalries are sources. The rivalry between Anubis/Shuten Anubis[=/=]Shuten and Ryo breaks the mold, but takes the FoeYay to the next level. Rowan and Kayura definitely had their moments of this too.this, too:



** Also, why is the final battle with Talpa such a TearJerker? [[spoiler:Because it's a mirror image of the first battle between the Ronins and Talpa. The first time around, Ryo was on the outside of Talpa's body while his friend's souls were trapped within, [[KillUsBoth binding Talpa with their powers and begging Ryo to destroy them all.]] Logically, poor Ryo couldn't go through with it. In the final battle with Talpa, the positions are reversed. Ryo is fused with Talpa, binding the villain with ''his'' power, begging his friends (now on the outside) to destroy ''him.'' They have no alternative but to go through with it because by this time, they're out of options. It's a good thing for Ryo the Jewel of Life was nearby, otherwise the series would have had a Bittersweet Ending... ]]
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Uncensored nudity managed to get past Creator/CartoonNetwork's censors ''twice''.
* HoYay: '''''Damn.''''' ...er, this is bound to be a factor given the CastFullOfPrettyBoys. The heroes are all in their early-teens, but the show doesn't have any romantic component to speak of. When you further consider how close-knit their friendship is (and the fact that many of them are from broken families), you can't help but wonder although Seiji constantly made smooth passes at Nasuti in the original version. Ryo also does fall in love with Luna in the 1st OVA, ''Gaiden''. [[spoiler: Sadly, she is killed by the BigBad.]]
** Seiji and Nasuti have minor flirtation in YST which is completely removed in the dub. Rowen is also part of a fan preferred couple with Lady Kayura, despite the fact she is physically twelve. However, both of these pairings as well as Ryo's relationship with Luna are often ignored by fanfiction writers in favor of homosexual relationships.
** The Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei manga calls the series a "rite of passage" for Yaoi Fangirls.
* {{Macekre}}: Surprisingly averted; with the exception of character and attack names, and some editing around of scenes in the first two episodes, the dub is incredibly faithful to the original show, right down to allowing character deaths and leaving the level of violence practically untouched. Hell, [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar a brief flash of Lady Kayura naked was even left untouched!]]
* {{Narm}}: One of the more (in)famous lines from the dub is Ryo's YourMom moment.
--> "Your mother wears army boots!"
** NarmCharm: That said, it's a favorite line amongst fans despite how silly it is.
* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still people who look down on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to ''Franchise/SailorMoon.'' YST debuted four years before the ''Manga/SailorMoon'' manga started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series for Creator/{{Toonami}} they pretty much promoted the show as such, sometimes airing episodes of each series back-to-back and creating promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.
** Inverted in the Latin American fandom, but with SaintSeiya, who was broadcasted at the same network and at the same slot.
* TheScrappy: Depending on which segment of the fandom you ask, this can be either Yuli, Mia, Lady Kayura, Suzunagi, or even ''all four''.
* SeasonalRot: Many North American fans dislike the final story arc, ''Message,'' due to the episodes relying on the heavy usage of stock footage from the TV series and second [=OVA=] to accompany the character monologues.
** Both Japanese and American fans have said that ''Message'' is too difficult to follow. But WordOfGod has stated that the [=OVA=] was not meant for entertainment purposes, but it was a way for the characters to [[MoreThanMeetsTheEye express themselves and the world of the armors]].

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** Also, why is the final battle with Talpa such a TearJerker? [[spoiler:Because it's a mirror image of the first battle between the Ronins and Talpa. The first time around, Ryo was on the outside of Talpa's body while his friend's souls were trapped within, [[KillUsBoth binding Talpa with their powers and begging Ryo to destroy them all.]] Logically, poor all]]. Poor Ryo couldn't didn't want to go through with it. In the final battle with Talpa, the positions are reversed. reversed: Ryo is fused with Talpa, binding the villain with ''his'' power, power and begging his friends (now on the outside) to destroy ''him.'' They have no alternative but to go through with it because by this time, they're out of options.they have no other options left. It's a good thing for Ryo the Jewel of Life was nearby, otherwise the series would have had a Bittersweet Ending... ]]
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Uncensored nudity managed to get past Creator/CartoonNetwork's censors ''twice''.
censors. ''Twice''.
* HoYay: '''''Damn.'''''DAMN.''''' ...er, this is was bound to be a factor given the CastFullOfPrettyBoys. The heroes are all in their early-teens, but the show doesn't have any romantic component to speak of. When you further consider how close-knit their friendship is (and the fact that many is--and how most of them are from broken families), you families--you can't help but wonder although Seiji constantly made smooth passes at Nasuti in wonder.
** In
the original version. first OVA, ''Gaiden'', Ryo also does fall falls in love with Luna in the 1st OVA, ''Gaiden''. [[spoiler: Sadly, she ([[spoiler:who is later killed by the BigBad.BigBad]]). Seiji and Nasuti flirt with each other a few times in ''Samurai Troopers'', but the dub ignores this. Rowen is part of a fan-preferred couple with Lady Kayura, despite the fact that she is physically twelve. Fanfiction writers often ignore those relationships in favor of gay relationships between the heroes.
** The ''Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei'' manga calls ''Samurai Troopers'' "a rite of passage" for yaoi fangirls.
* {{Macekre}}: ''Ronin Warriors'' averts this hard. Excluding the name changes to characters and attacks (as well as some editing around of scenes in the first two episodes), the dub stays as faithful to the original show as possible. Characters die, the level of violence stays practically untouched, and [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar a brief flash of a naked Lady Kayura was even left intact]]. (Not even Cartoon Network caught that last one.) The dub's adherence to a faithful adaptation made ''Ronin Warriors'' one of the least-Macekred shows of its time.
* {{Narm}}: One of the more (in)famous lines from the dub is Ryo's "[[YourMom Your mother wears army boots!]]" That said, [[NarmCharm it's a favorite line amongst fans, despite its inherent silliness.
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** Seiji and Nasuti have minor flirtation in YST which is completely removed in the dub. Rowen is also part of a fan preferred couple with Lady Kayura, despite the fact she is physically twelve. However, both of these pairings as well as Ryo's relationship with Luna are often ignored by fanfiction writers in favor of homosexual relationships.
** The Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei manga calls the series a "rite of passage" for Yaoi Fangirls.
* {{Macekre}}: Surprisingly averted; with the exception of character and attack names, and some editing around of scenes in the first two episodes, the dub is incredibly faithful to the original show, right down to allowing character deaths and leaving the level of violence practically untouched. Hell, [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar a brief flash of Lady Kayura naked was even left untouched!]]
* {{Narm}}: One of the more (in)famous lines from the dub is Ryo's YourMom moment.
--> "Your mother wears army boots!"
** NarmCharm: That said, it's a favorite line amongst fans despite how silly it is.
* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still Some people who still look down on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to ''Franchise/SailorMoon.'' YST ''Franchise/SailorMoon''--even though ''Samurai Troopers'' debuted four years before the ''Manga/SailorMoon'' manga started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series didn't help matters when it nabbed ''Ronin Warriors'' for Creator/{{Toonami}} they pretty much and promoted it as such; the show as such, sometimes airing network aired episodes of each series back-to-back ''Ronin Warriors'' and creating ''Sailor Moon'' back-to-back, and it even created promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.
** Inverted This is inverted in the Latin American fandom, but with SaintSeiya, who ''SaintSeiya'', which was broadcasted broadcast at the same network and at the same slot.
* TheScrappy: Depending on which segment of the fandom you ask, this can be either Yuli, Mia, Lady Kayura, Suzunagi, or even ''all four''.
* SeasonalRot: Many North American fans dislike the final story arc, ''Message,'' due to the episodes relying on the because of its heavy usage of reliance on stock footage from the TV series and the second [=OVA=] to accompany the character monologues.
** Both Japanese and American fans have said that ''Message'' is too difficult to follow. But WordOfGod has stated that said the [=OVA=] was not meant for entertainment purposes, but it was as a way for the characters to [[MoreThanMeetsTheEye express themselves and the world of the armors]].



* TearJerker: [[spoiler: White Blaze's sacrifice. But [[BackFromTheDead he got better]].]]
** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s crying.]]

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: White [[spoiler:White Blaze's sacrifice. But [[BackFromTheDead he got better]].]]
** [[spoiler: Anubis' sacrifice got Yuli and Yuli--and plenty of {{FanGirl}}s crying.{{FanGirl}}s--crying.]]
13th Mar '15 7:53:00 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [BigBad Lord Talpa (Arago)]] was a [[EvilOverlord brutal conqueror]] who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and {{mind rape}}s him into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa [[BadBoss betrays his men]] for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. He shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Defined by his {{greed}}, hunger for power, and cruelty, Talpa is [[CardCarryingVillain proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past]].

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* CompleteMonster: [BigBad [[BigBad Lord Talpa (Arago)]] was a [[EvilOverlord brutal conqueror]] who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and {{mind rape}}s him into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa [[BadBoss betrays his men]] for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. He shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Defined by his {{greed}}, hunger for power, and cruelty, Talpa is [[CardCarryingVillain proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past]].
13th Mar '15 7:52:51 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Lord Talpa was a brutal conqueror who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and [[MindRape mind rapes him]] into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa betrays his men for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. he shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Utterly defined by his greed, hunger for power and cruelty, Talpa is even proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past.

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* CompleteMonster: [BigBad Lord Talpa (Arago)]] was a [[EvilOverlord brutal conqueror conqueror]] who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and [[MindRape mind rapes him]] {{mind rape}}s him into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa [[BadBoss betrays his men men]] for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. he He shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Utterly defined Defined by his greed, {{greed}}, hunger for power power, and cruelty, Talpa is even [[CardCarryingVillain proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past.past]].
1st Mar '15 2:43:44 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Lord Talpa was a brutal conqueror who killed countless innocents in his lifetime. After death, Talpa's spirit survived by bonding to his armor. In the present, Talpa resurfaces in his evil Dynasty by stealing the inhabitants of a whole city to drain their energy and lives. Talpa shows no care for his four champions, the Dark Warlords, and when their [[TheDragon leader Anubis]] begins to waver in his conviction, Talpa tortures and [[MindRape mind rapes him]] into servitude before absorbing the lot of them to regain his corporeal form. Talpa betrays his men for his own power and keeps the last member of his greatest enemy's clan as one of his greatest soldiers. he shows no hesitation in trying to sacrifice her with the rest of his minions when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness her usefulness is over]] and has her mentally tortured and [[DemonicPossession possessed to keep her useful]]. When he resurfaces, Talpa attempts to unleash his power without any regard for collateral damage. Utterly defined by his greed, hunger for power and cruelty, Talpa is even proud of how many lives he had stolen in the past.
14th Nov '14 3:06:33 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: Talpa said to Kayura that once the mortal world was conquered, he would rule with Kayura at his side. Again, Kayura is technically a 12 year old girl.
** There's the fact that Talpa is at least 1000 years old, and marrying young was common in those days. At the least, it's still ValuesDissonance, but he ''is'' the BigBad.
4th Sep '14 5:20:49 AM SeptimusHeap
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* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still people who [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch look down]] on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to ''Franchise/SailorMoon.'' YST debuted four years before the ''Manga/SailorMoon'' manga started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series for Creator/{{Toonami}} they pretty much promoted the show as such, sometimes airing episodes of each series back-to-back and creating promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still people who [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch look down]] down on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to ''Franchise/SailorMoon.'' YST debuted four years before the ''Manga/SailorMoon'' manga started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series for Creator/{{Toonami}} they pretty much promoted the show as such, sometimes airing episodes of each series back-to-back and creating promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.
14th Jun '14 9:03:14 PM Aiguille
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* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still people who [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch look down]] on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to Manga/SailorMoon. YST debuted four years before the the manga of of Sailor Moon started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series for {{Toonami}} they pretty much promoted the show as such, sometimes airing episodes of each series back-to-back and creating promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: There are still people who [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch look down]] on the series as nothing more than the SpearCounterpart to Manga/SailorMoon. ''Franchise/SailorMoon.'' YST debuted four years before the the ''Manga/SailorMoon'' manga of of Sailor Moon started. It really doesn't help that when Creator/CartoonNetwork got their hands on the series for {{Toonami}} Creator/{{Toonami}} they pretty much promoted the show as such, sometimes airing episodes of each series back-to-back and creating promos that almost looked like a crossover between the two.
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