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** Creator/BradJones had a lot of fun using his own albums.
-->"Dude-dude, I totally wanna get into this too! Okay, okay, oh..."[[Series/MiamiVice You Belong to the City]]"? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! "More More More", the words spoken by a ''porn star?!'' "[[Music/BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]"? Sure, let's advocate mass murder! "[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]"? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel. "[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]"? Thank you. A song about an erection!"

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** Creator/BradJones [[WebVideo/DVDRHell had a lot of fun fun]] using his own albums.
-->"Dude-dude, I totally wanna get into this too! Okay, okay, oh..."[[Series/MiamiVice You Belong to the City]]"? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! "More More More", the words spoken by a ''porn star?!'' "[[Music/BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]"? Sure, let's advocate mass murder! "[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]"? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel. "[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]"? Thank you. A you, [[SomethingElseAlsoRises a song about an erection!"erection!]]"
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-->"Dude-dude, I totally wanna get into this too! Okay, okay, oh..."[[Series/MiamiVice You Belong to the City]]"? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! "More More More", the words spoken by a ''porn star?!'' "[[BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]"? Sure, let's advocate mass murder! "[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]"? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel. "[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]"? Thank you. A song about an erection!"

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-->"Dude-dude, I totally wanna get into this too! Okay, okay, oh..."[[Series/MiamiVice You Belong to the City]]"? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! "More More More", the words spoken by a ''porn star?!'' "[[BryanAdams "[[Music/BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]"? Sure, let's advocate mass murder! "[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]"? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel. "[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]"? Thank you. A song about an erection!"
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** He even turns against his own mother, who brought the youth pastor in to get him to quit rock music in the first place, when he decides that the soap operas she always watches are evil, too.

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** He even turns against his own mother, who brought the youth pastor in to get him to quit rock music in the first place, when he decides that the soap operas she always watches are evil, too. A bit of a BrickJoke, since the pastor called it when she first asked him to step in.
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-->"Oh, 'You Belong To The City'? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! 'More More More', the words spoken by a porn star?! '[[BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]'? Sure! Let's advocate mass murder! '[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]'? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel! '[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]'? Thank you! A song about an erection!"

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-->"Oh, 'You -->"Dude-dude, I totally wanna get into this too! Okay, okay, oh..."[[Series/MiamiVice You Belong To The City'? to the City]]"? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?! 'More "More More More', More", the words spoken by a porn star?! '[[BryanAdams ''porn star?!'' "[[BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]'? Sure! Let's Knife]]"? Sure, let's advocate mass murder! '[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra "[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]'? Woman]]"? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel! '[[Music/DuranDuran Jezebel. "[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]'? Reflex]]"? Thank you! you. A song about an erection!"
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Jeff cites Santana's "Evil Ways" on a list of "Satanic" songs, even though the first lyric is "You've got to change your evil ways."

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* CriticalResearchFailure: Jeff cites Santana's "Evil Ways" on a list of "Satanic" songs, even though the '''''the first lyric lyric''''' is "You've got to change your evil ways."
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Due to the nature of the film many see Jeff's story as less of a movement against sin, and more the story of a boy twisted by the controlling fundamentalists in his life into a bigoted {{Jerkass}} who pushes away his friends, his family, and condemns that which he once loved. From that point one can see Jeff as a DesignatedHero who forces his opinions on others, or a tragic JerkassWoobie who's perceptions on life were heavily warped, and he ends up driving away everyone who cared about him by following those perceptions.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Due to the nature of the film many see Jeff's story as less of a movement against sin, and more the story of a boy twisted by the controlling fundamentalists in his life into a bigoted {{Jerkass}} who pushes away his friends, his family, and condemns that which he once loved. {{Jerkass}}. From that point one can see Jeff as a DesignatedHero who forces his opinions on others, or a tragic JerkassWoobie who's perceptions on life were heavily warped, and he ends up driving away everyone who cared about him by following those perceptions.him.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Due to the nature of the film many see Jeff's story as less of a movement against sin, and more the story of a boy twisted by the controlling fundamentalists in his life into a bigoted {{Jerkass}} who pushes away his friends, his family, and condemns that which he once loved. From that point one can see Jeff as a DesignatedHero who forces his opinions on others, or a tragic JerkassWoobie who's perceptions on life were heavily warped by those around him, and he ends up driving away everyone who cared about him by following those perceptions.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Due to the nature of the film many see Jeff's story as less of a movement against sin, and more the story of a boy twisted by the controlling fundamentalists in his life into a bigoted {{Jerkass}} who pushes away his friends, his family, and condemns that which he once loved. From that point one can see Jeff as a DesignatedHero who forces his opinions on others, or a tragic JerkassWoobie who's perceptions on life were heavily warped by those around him, warped, and he ends up driving away everyone who cared about him by following those perceptions.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Due to the nature of the film many see Jeff's story as less of a movement against sin, and more the story of a boy twisted by the controlling fundamentalists in his life into a bigoted {{Jerkass}} who pushes away his friends, his family, and condemns that which he once loved. From that point one can see Jeff as a DesignatedHero who forces his opinions on others, or a tragic JerkassWoobie who's perceptions on life were heavily warped by those around him, and he ends up driving away everyone who cared about him by following those perceptions.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Stay away from [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist Christianity]] kiddos, it'll ruin your life!
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* ConfirmationBias: Jeff engages heavily in this, as does the film itself. It rarely lets the other side have a voice, and presents Jeff's arguments at the end in a format that doesn't allow for the other side to be explored. At no point is ChristianRock even discussed, nor does anyone ask Jeff if artists without overtly demonic, sexual or blasphemous lyrics are equally as wrong just for performing "rock music."

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* AnecdotalFallacy: After a period of not listening to rock, and thus starting to realize how "harmful" all of its lyrics apparently are, without exception, Jeff is in the mall where a boombox is playing rock music. Jeff feels "compelled" to stop and listen and groove along with it. He later claims that the music was trying to "control" him, and makes the point in his end-of-the-film speech that in fact when people are at a rock concert and are swaying along, snapping their fingers, humming it, etc., this is an example of the music "controlling" them. It is never suggested if the same is true of people who are moved to tears by classical music, or raise their hands and sing along when hearing church music.
* BrokenAesop: The action in this film is spurred by Jeff's mother becoming concerned about Jeff's recent bad attitude. Examples of his "bad" behavior include mouthing off to his mother and other boundary-pushing behaviors found in pretty much all children of any time period. In fact, Jeff seems to be a pretty good kid, even feeling guilty about talking back to his mother and delivering an unforced apology. It's later, after he's supposedly a better person, that he unrepentantly screams at her for being a hypocrite. Somehow showing us a kid that's pretty normal, or even better-behaved than average, turning into a judgmental creep doesn't exactly sell the "rock music makes your kids rebellious" message.



* ConfirmationBias: Jeff engages heavily in this, as does the film itself. It rarely lets the other side have a voice, and presents Jeff's arguments at the end in a format that doesn't allow for the other side to be explored. At no point is ChristianRock even discussed, nor does anyone ask Jeff if artists without overtly demonic, sexual or blasphemous lyrics are equally as wrong just for performing "rock music."



* HitlerAteSugar: Some (repeat: ''some'') rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of Satanism and the Occult, drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even the Captain and Tennille.
* ProofByExamples: Jeff lists quite a few examples of the "evils" contained within the lyrics of rock music. Of course, he's wrong about a good deal of them (see Critical Research Failure above) but even if he was right, the fact that he can name several examples does not at all prove the entire genre(s) of "rock music" is evil and degenerate.



** He even turns against his own mother, who brought the youth pastor in to get him to quit rock music in the first place, when he decides that the soap operas she always watches are evil, too.

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** He even turns against his own mother, who brought the youth pastor in to get him to quit rock music in the first place, when he decides that the soap operas she always watches are evil, too.too.
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* HitlerAteSugar: Some (repeat: ''some'') rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even the Captain and Tenille.

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* HitlerAteSugar: Some (repeat: ''some'') rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of Satanism and the Occult, drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even the Captain and Tenille.Tennille.
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* ConfirmationBias: Jeff engages heavily in this, as does the film itself. It rarely lets the other side have a voice, and presents Jeff's arguments at the end in a format that doesn't allow for the other side to be explored. At no point is ChristianRockMusic even discussed, nor does anyone ask Jeff if artists without overtly demonic, sexual or blasphemous lyrics are equally as wrong just for performing "rock music."

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* ConfirmationBias: Jeff engages heavily in this, as does the film itself. It rarely lets the other side have a voice, and presents Jeff's arguments at the end in a format that doesn't allow for the other side to be explored. At no point is ChristianRockMusic ChristianRock even discussed, nor does anyone ask Jeff if artists without overtly demonic, sexual or blasphemous lyrics are equally as wrong just for performing "rock music."
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* BrokenAesop: The action in this film is spurred by Jeff's mother becoming concerned about Jeff's recent bad attitude. Examples of his "bad" behavior include mouthing off to his mother and other boundary-pushing behaviors found in pretty much all children of any time period. In fact, Jeff seems to be a pretty good kid, even feeling guilty about talking back to his mother and delivering an unforced apology. It's later, after he's supposedly a better person, that he unrepentantly screams at her for being a hypocrite. Somehow showing us a kid that's pretty normal, or even better-behaved than average, turning into a judgmental creep doesn't exactly sell the "rock music makes your kids rebellious" message.
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* AnecdotalFallacy: After a period of not listening to rock, and thus starting to realize how "harmful" all of its lyrics apparently are, without exception, Jeff is in the mall where a boombox is playing rock music. Jeff feels "compelled" to stop and listen and groove along with it. He later claims that the music was trying to "control" him, and makes the point in his end-of-the-film speech that in fact when people are at a rock concert and are swaying along, snapping their fingers, humming it, etc., this is an example of the music "controlling" them. It is never suggested if the same is true of people who are moved to tears by classical music, or raise their hands and sing along when hearing church music.


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* ConfirmationBias: Jeff engages heavily in this, as does the film itself. It rarely lets the other side have a voice, and presents Jeff's arguments at the end in a format that doesn't allow for the other side to be explored. At no point is ChristianRockMusic even discussed, nor does anyone ask Jeff if artists without overtly demonic, sexual or blasphemous lyrics are equally as wrong just for performing "rock music."
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* ProofByExamples: Jeff lists quite a few examples of the "evils" contained within the lyrics of rock music. Of course, he's wrong about a good deal of them (see Critical Research Failure above) but even if he was right, the fact that he can name several examples does not at all prove the entire genre(s) of "rock music" is evil and degenerate.
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* HitlerAteSugar: Some (repeat: ''some'') rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even the Captain and Tenille.
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-->"Oh, 'You Belong To The City'? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?!"

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-->"Oh, 'You Belong To The City'? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?!"city?! 'More More More', the words spoken by a porn star?! '[[BryanAdams Cuts Like a Knife]]'? Sure! Let's advocate mass murder! '[[Music/ElectricLightOrchestra Evil Woman]]'? Need I say more? Fucking Jezebel! '[[Music/DuranDuran The Reflex]]'? Thank you! A song about an erection!"

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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history). And then there's {{Music/ACDC}} and "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" (about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with - it's a ''metaphor'', Jack!).

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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history). And then there's {{Music/ACDC}} and "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" (about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with - it's a ''metaphor'', Jack!).Jeff!).
** Creator/BradJones had a lot of fun using his own albums.
-->"Oh, 'You Belong To The City'? Like how Sodom and Gomorrah was a city?!"
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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history). And then there's Music/ACDC and "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" (about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with - it's a ''metaphor'', Jack!).

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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history). And then there's Music/ACDC {{Music/ACDC}} and "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" (about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with - it's a ''metaphor'', Jack!).
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* DesignatedHero: Jeff, although not at first. He starts out as a normal kid until he slowly transforms into a bigoted hateful religious fundamentalist {{Jerkass}} who disowns rock music and tries to force everyone around him to do the same and dumps his friends for listening to the genre. He even yells at his own mother for watching soap-operas thinking they are evil. And the movie wants you to root for this guy.
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* TearJerker: The fact that after Jeff was challenged to give up rock music for 2 weeks, he slowly turned into a hateful preachy bigot who felt the need to shove his opinion of the evils of rock music down the throats of those around him, losing all of his friends and ruining his own life in the process.

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* TearJerker: An unintentional example. The fact that after Jeff was challenged to give up rock music for 2 weeks, he slowly turned into a hateful preachy bigot who felt the need to shove his opinion of the evils of rock music down the throats of those around him, losing all of his friends and ruining his own life in the process.
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* TearJerker: The fact that after Jeff was challenged to give up rock music for 2 weeks, he slowly turned into a hateful preachy bigot who felt the need to shove his opinion of the evils of rock music down the throats of those around him, losing all of his friends and ruining his own life in the process.
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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history).

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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history). And then there's Music/ACDC and "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" (about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with - it's a ''metaphor'', Jack!).
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*StrawmanHasAPoint: We're meant to see Marty and Melissa as antagonists trying to tempt Jeff back into his old ways. But they make some valid points about him becoming a "fanatic" as he repeatedly tries to push his new lifestyle choices on them and others.
**Melissa seems pretty justified in being angry with Jeff for canceling his plans to go to a rock concert with her (plans made months in advance for her birthday) because of a deal with his youth pastor he made only recently. Threatening to take another guy to the concert may seem a bit harsh, but she does apologize for it later.
**Later, Jeff gets angry with Marty for playing rock music at a party he was hosting in his own house. Yet we're expected to take Jeff's side earlier when he refuses to let Melissa listen to a rock station when he's giving her a ride in his car.
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** Other songs on the list include Jefferson Starship's "Dance With The Dragon" (which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon) and the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" (which is written from Satan's perspective, and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history).
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Jeff cites Santana's "Evil Ways" on a list of "Satanic" songs, even though the first lyric is "You've got to change your evil ways."
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* The main character is meant to come off as a good Christian trying to steer clear from the "sins" of rock and roll and save others from it, but instead he comes off as a closed-minded and bigoted jerkass to anyone who doesn't share the same values and interpretations of Christianity as the protagonist (and then in some cases, as many Christians have no difficulty reconciling their faith and an enjoyment of secular entertainment).

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The main character is meant to come off as a good Christian trying to steer clear from the "sins" of rock and roll and save others from it, but instead he comes off as a closed-minded and bigoted jerkass to anyone who doesn't share the same values and interpretations of Christianity as the protagonist (and then in some cases, as many Christians have no difficulty reconciling their faith and an enjoyment of secular entertainment).
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* The main character is meant to come off as a good Christian trying to steer clear from the "sins" of rock and roll and save others from it, but instead he comes off as a closed-minded and bigoted jerkass to anyone who doesn't share the same values and interpretations of Christianity as the protagonist (and then in some cases, as many Christians have no difficulty reconciling their faith and an enjoyment of secular entertainment).
** At the beginning of the movie he was a normal guy until he found out about all the dangers of rock music, and then he became a walking stereotype.
** He even turns against his own mother, who brought the youth pastor in to get him to quit rock music in the first place, when he decides that the soap operas she always watches are evil, too.

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