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** Palpatine is a Chancellor, a Sith Lord, and can act as ''the entire Galactic Senate''. In more memetic conversations, fans often refer to Palpatine as simply "The Senate".

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** Palpatine is not only a Chancellor, Chancellor and a Sith Lord, and he can act as ''the entire Galactic Senate''. In more memetic conversations, fans often refer to Palpatine as simply "The Senate".
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** Palpatine is a Chancellor, a Sith Lord, and ''the entire Galactic Senate''.

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** Palpatine is a Chancellor, a Sith Lord, and can act as ''the entire Galactic Senate''.Senate''. In more memetic conversations, fans often refer to Palpatine as simply "The Senate".
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*** There's a reason for this: for reasons known only to George Lucas, much of the fight was filmed with Ian McDiarmid - a 59-year-old Shakespearean actor with no sword-fighting experience - instead of his stunt double, with only five days of practice. Footage with the stunt double can be found on Youtube and it looks ''much'' better.
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Plo Koon is a pretty popular Jedi, and he dies in this film too.


* ViewersInMourning: Fan-favorites Mace Windu and Kit Fisto die in this film, much to fans' dismay.

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* ViewersInMourning: Fan-favorites Mace Windu Windu, Plo Koon, and Kit Fisto die in this film, much to fans' dismay.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Darth Plagueis proved to be a tremendously popular character '''without even appearing in the film''', based solely on the story Palpatine tells to Anakin (which is often regarded as one of the best scenes in the entire prequel trilogy). His presence in both the ''Legends'' continuity and the Canon countinuity is extremely limited, but there has been no short order of fascination with the character.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Darth Plagueis proved to be a tremendously popular character '''without even appearing in the film''', based solely on the story Palpatine tells to Anakin (which is often regarded as one of the best scenes in the entire prequel trilogy). His presence in both the ''Legends'' continuity and the Canon countinuity continuity is extremely limited, but there has been no short order of fascination with the character.

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Removing per here. Not a spin off and debatable if it is even more popular.


* MisaimedFandom: People sometimes argue in complete seriousness that TheExtremistWasRight regarding Mace Windu attempting to arrest Palpatine ("You see, Anakin? I told you it would come to this. The Jedi are taking over!"), not helped by Palpatine arguing in [[MorePopularSpinoff the better-received novelization]] that merely being a Sith isn't a crime. The Jedi ''aren't'' arresting him for being just a member of a rival religious group, they're arresting him for instigating [[Film/ThePhantomMenace a military occupation of a member state]] and [[Film/AttackOfTheClones the current rebellion against the Republic]], and now for ''trying to overthrow the government''.
* MorePopularSpinoff: The film itself is generally rated "good, could be better": better than its immediate predecessors but not as good as the original trilogy. [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith The novelization]] by Creator/MattStover is almost universally considered to far surpass the film it's based on and one of the finest single pieces of licensed fiction ever.

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* MisaimedFandom: People sometimes argue in complete seriousness that TheExtremistWasRight regarding Mace Windu attempting to arrest Palpatine ("You see, Anakin? I told you it would come to this. The Jedi are taking over!"), not helped by Palpatine arguing in [[MorePopularSpinoff the better-received novelization]] novelization that merely being a Sith isn't a crime. The Jedi ''aren't'' arresting him for being just a member of a rival religious group, they're arresting him for instigating [[Film/ThePhantomMenace a military occupation of a member state]] and [[Film/AttackOfTheClones the current rebellion against the Republic]], and now for ''trying to overthrow the government''.
* MorePopularSpinoff: The film itself is generally rated "good, could be better": better than its immediate predecessors but not as good as the original trilogy. [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith The novelization]] by Creator/MattStover is almost universally considered to far surpass the film it's based on and one of the finest single pieces of licensed fiction ever.
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** Kenobi greeting Grievous on Utapau with his signature [[MemeticMutation "Hello there!"]]
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In Revenge of The Sith, he is still considered whiny and annoying. The Clone Wars was the one that redeemed him.


* ContestedSequel: Like the other two Prequel Trilogy theatrical films, though leaning more towards the positive end of the spectrum. Many fans regard the film as a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel to the previous Prequel Trilogy films, although opinions are all over place. In general, ''Revenge of the Sith'' is one of the most polarizing of all nine ''Star Wars'' films, from both ends, only behind ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''. Some fans love the film for its DarkerAndEdgier tone and multi-layered, intriguing and tragic plot. Others hate it for the craploads of {{narm}} and bad acting and dialogue and idiotic character decisions that it retains from the other two prequels, as well as for trying ''so'' hard to make Vader into a tragic figure when many people come away thinking that Anakin was bad news all along and he had little to redeem himself (most notably killing children and his wife). Others TakeAThirdOption and state that while the film definitely falls short compared to the Original Trilogy and has plenty of narm to go around, it's still the best entry in the Prequel Trilogy and is fairly enjoyable in its own right.
* CriticalDissonance: It gets enough flak from the fans that its Website/RottenTomatoes rating of '''80%''' might surprise some people, especially considering this was nearly identical to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'''s former score of 79%. The score of the latter film has since gone up, but it doesn't make much of a difference. Though for what it's worth, even the film's haters usually concede that it isn't as bad as the other two prequels--see SurprisinglyImprovedSequel below.

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* ContestedSequel: Like the other two Prequel Trilogy theatrical films, though leaning more towards the positive end of the spectrum. Many fans regard the film as a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel to the previous Prequel Trilogy films, although opinions are all over place. In general, ''Revenge of the Sith'' is one of the most polarizing of all nine ''Star Wars'' films, from both ends, only behind ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''. Some fans love the film for its DarkerAndEdgier tone and multi-layered, intriguing and tragic plot. Others hate it for the craploads of {{narm}} and bad acting and dialogue and idiotic character decisions that it retains from the other two prequels, Prequels, as well as for trying ''so'' hard to make Vader into a tragic figure when many people come away thinking that Anakin was bad news all along and he had little to redeem himself (most notably killing children and his wife). Others TakeAThirdOption and state that while the film definitely falls short compared to the Original Trilogy and has plenty of narm to go around, it's still the best entry in the Prequel Trilogy and is fairly enjoyable in its own right.
* CriticalDissonance: It gets enough flak from the fans that its Website/RottenTomatoes rating of '''80%''' might surprise some people, especially considering this was nearly identical to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'''s former score of 79%. The score of the latter film has since gone up, but it doesn't make much of a difference. Though for what it's worth, even the film's haters usually concede that it isn't as bad as the other two prequels--see Prequels--see SurprisinglyImprovedSequel below.



* EvilIsCool: Palpatine/Sidious is widely held as the best aspect about the film. A number of critics claimed that he filled the hole the other prequels had been lacking with an effective bad guy. Even the vast majority of the film's detractors will traditionally concede that he is an excellent villain. This is due to the convincingly sinister atmosphere of all of his scenes, [[FountainOfMemes being endlessly quotable]] and Creator/IanMcDiarmid clearly [[ChewingTheScenery having the time of his life playing such a deliciously evil character]].

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* EvilIsCool: Palpatine/Sidious is widely held as the best aspect about the film. A number of critics claimed that he filled the hole the other prequels Prequels had been lacking with an effective bad guy. Even the vast majority of the film's detractors will traditionally concede that he is an excellent villain. This is due to the convincingly sinister atmosphere of all of his scenes, [[FountainOfMemes being endlessly quotable]] and Creator/IanMcDiarmid clearly [[ChewingTheScenery having the time of his life playing such a deliciously evil character]].



** Bail Organa ordering Captain Antilles to wipe C-3PO's memory at the end of the film clears up the continuity problem of 3PO not recognizing the planet Tatooine, Obi-Wan, Owen and Beru Lars, Luke, Leia or Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy despite experiencing all this in the prequels. R2 was spared this fate since he's an astromech droid and can't speak, which is why he does vaguely remember Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope''.

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** Bail Organa ordering Captain Antilles to wipe C-3PO's memory at the end of the film clears up the continuity problem of 3PO not recognizing the planet Tatooine, Obi-Wan, Owen and Beru Lars, Luke, Leia or Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy despite experiencing all this in the prequels.Prequels. R2 was spared this fate since he's an astromech droid and can't speak, which is why he does vaguely remember Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope''.



** Bail Organa ordering Captain Antilles to wipe C-3PO's memory at the end of the film clears up the continuity problem of 3PO not recognizing the planet Tatooine, Obi-Wan, Owen and Beru Lars, Luke, Leia or Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy despite experiencing all this in the prequels. R2 was spared this fate since he's an astromech droid and can't speak, which is why he does vaguely remember Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope''.

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** Bail Organa ordering Captain Antilles to wipe C-3PO's memory at the end of the film clears up the continuity problem of 3PO not recognizing the planet Tatooine, Obi-Wan, Owen and Beru Lars, Luke, Leia or Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy despite experiencing all this in the prequels.Prequels. R2 was spared this fate since he's an astromech droid and can't speak, which is why he does vaguely remember Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope''.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: While it had highly polarizing reception, the film was considered a breath of fresh air at the time of its release for having a [[DarkerAndEdgier very dark tone]] and tragic plot that let it stand out from the other two prequels, not to mention [[JustHereForGodzilla depicting Darth Vader on-screen as a villain for the first time in ages]].[[note]]While Anakin spends roughly half of the film as "Vader", he only appears in his iconic suit of armor for one scene at the end of the films.[[/note]] However, Disney's ''Star Wars'' films have caused the film to go through UniquenessDecay; contemporary ''Star Wars'' films are consistently PG-13 and are less blatantly "toyetic" than the prequels, and the suited Vader reappeared in both ''Film/RogueOne'' and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' (the latter show even having Creator/HaydenChristensen reprising the role) with much more impressive and terrifying scenes than [[{{Narm}} the]] [[MemeticMutation one]] he was given in ''Revenge of the Sith''.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: While it had highly polarizing reception, the film was considered a breath of fresh air at the time of its release for having a [[DarkerAndEdgier very dark tone]] and tragic plot that let it stand out from the other two prequels, Prequels, not to mention [[JustHereForGodzilla depicting Darth Vader on-screen as a villain for the first time in ages]].[[note]]While Anakin spends roughly half of the film as "Vader", he only appears in his iconic suit of armor for one scene at the end of the films.[[/note]] However, Disney's ''Star Wars'' films have caused the film to go through UniquenessDecay; contemporary ''Star Wars'' films are consistently PG-13 and are less blatantly "toyetic" than the prequels, Prequels, and the suited Vader reappeared in both ''Film/RogueOne'' and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' (the latter show even having Creator/HaydenChristensen reprising the role) with much more impressive and terrifying scenes than [[{{Narm}} the]] [[MemeticMutation one]] he was given in ''Revenge of the Sith''.
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In Revenge of The Sith, he is still considered whiny and annoying.
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This is incorrect. Many fans believe that The Clone Wars was the one that redeemed Anakin, not Revenge of the Sith. He's still considered whiny and a BBC.


* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While Creator/HaydenChristensen's performance remains divisive, many fans note that it's otherwise been greatly improved and Anakin himself is more bearable and even sympathetic in this films compared to how he was in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones''.
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** Creator/ChristopherLee's scene as Count Dooku perfectly sets up Anakin's StartOfDarkness. It also serves as retribution for all of Dooku's schemes in ''Clone Wars''.

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** Creator/ChristopherLee's scene as Count Dooku perfectly sets up Anakin's StartOfDarkness. It also serves as retribution for all of Dooku's schemes in ''Clone ''The Clone Wars''.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Nute Gunray wasn't well liked as an antagonist in ''The Phantom Menace'', with the questionable stereotypes doing him and the Trade Federation no favours. Still, it's hard not to feel a smidgen of sympathy as he pleads for peace and an end to the war, right before Vader brutally cuts him down.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Nute Gunray wasn't well liked as an antagonist in ''The Phantom Menace'', with the [[EthnicScrappy questionable stereotypes stereotypes]] doing him and the Trade Federation no favours. favors. Still, it's hard not to feel a smidgen of sympathy as he [[VillainsWantMercy pleads for peace and an end to the war, war]], right before Vader brutally cuts him down.



** It's similar with Grievous too. After watching ''The Clone Wars'' and seeing him [[KarmaHoudini escape capture, death, or any sort of retribution for his actions]] time and time again, it is quite nice indeed to [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty ''finally'' see him get his comeuppance]] in this film.

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** It's similar with Grievous too. After watching ''The Clone Wars'' and seeing him [[KarmaHoudini escape capture, death, or any sort of retribution for his actions]] time and time again, it is quite nice indeed to [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty ''finally'' [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty see him get his comeuppance]] in this film.
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** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' gives Dooku's death this. Yes, it's still tragic in the context of pushing Anakin to the dark side, but after all the horrible things Dooku did throughout the series, it can feel gratifying knowing Dooku gets what he deserves.
** It's similar with Grievous too. After watching ''The Clone Wars'' and seeing him escape capture, death, or any sort of retribution for his actions time and time again, it is quite nice indeed to ''finally'' see him get his comeuppance in this film.
** Say what you want about Anakin, but watching him slaughter those cowardly slimy Separatist bastards is immensely satisfying. And he does it all silently while epic music plays. Unless you consider the Separatists too pitiful at that point.
** Even if you do pity some of the Separatists, it's still undeniably satisfying to watch Wat Tambor in particular get killed after all the horrible things he pulled and got away with in ''The Clone Wars''.
** Palpatine's duel with Yoda. It is incredibly cathartic to see Sidious being brought down to earth and seeing him, not only manhandled (thrown away, disarmed, and electrocuted) but actually scared for his life (he clearly would have preferred not to fight Yoda), after all the monstrosities he committed, and him acting like he is invincible. Even if he "wins" the duel, he gets a rough beating by his equal in power.
** If you dislike Anakin, or consider his crimes too monstrous to make him sympathetic, being mutilated, burnt and locked in his Darth Vader suit for the rest of his life might do the part. It helps that Vader has none of his previous arrogance from when he was Anakin after this point.

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** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' gives Dooku's death this. Yes, it's still tragic in the context of pushing Anakin to the dark side, side and somewhat presented as an AlasPoorVillain moment, but after all the horrible things Dooku did throughout the series, it can feel gratifying knowing Dooku gets what he deserves.
** It's similar with Grievous too. After watching ''The Clone Wars'' and seeing him [[KarmaHoudini escape capture, death, or any sort of retribution for his actions actions]] time and time again, it is quite nice indeed to [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty ''finally'' see him get his comeuppance comeuppance]] in this film.
** Say what you want about Anakin, but watching him slaughter those cowardly slimy Separatist bastards is immensely satisfying. And he does it all silently while epic music plays. [[AlasPoorVillain Unless you consider the Separatists too pitiful at that point.
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** Even if you do pity some of the Separatists, it's still undeniably satisfying to watch [[CompleteMonster Wat Tambor Tambor]] in particular get killed after all the horrible things he pulled and got away with in ''The Clone Wars''.
** Palpatine's duel with Yoda. It is incredibly cathartic to see Sidious being brought down to earth and seeing him, not only manhandled (thrown away, disarmed, and electrocuted) but [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness actually scared for his life life]] (he clearly would have preferred not to fight Yoda), after all the monstrosities he committed, and him [[SmugSnake acting like he is invincible.invincible]]. Even if he "wins" the duel, he gets a rough beating by his equal in power.
** If you dislike Anakin, [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or consider his crimes too monstrous to make him sympathetic, sympathetic]], being mutilated, burnt and locked in his Darth Vader suit for the rest of his life might do the part. It helps that Vader has none of his previous arrogance from when he was Anakin after this point.
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* MorePopularSpinoff: The film itself is generally rated "good, could be better": better than its immediate predecessors but not as good as the original trilogy. [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith The novelization]] by Creator/MattStover is almost universally considered to far surpass the film it's based on and one of the finest single pieces of licensed fiction ever.
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* MisaimedFandom: People sometimes argue in complete seriousness that TheExtremistWasRight regarding Mace Windu attempting to arrest Palpatine ("You see, Anakin? I told you it would come to this. The Jedi are taking over!"), not helped by Palpatine arguing in [[MorePopularSpinoff the better-received novelization]] that merely being a Sith isn't a crime. The Jedi ''aren't'' arresting him for being just a member of a rival religious group, they're arresting him for ''trying to overthrow the government''.

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* MisaimedFandom: People sometimes argue in complete seriousness that TheExtremistWasRight regarding Mace Windu attempting to arrest Palpatine ("You see, Anakin? I told you it would come to this. The Jedi are taking over!"), not helped by Palpatine arguing in [[MorePopularSpinoff the better-received novelization]] that merely being a Sith isn't a crime. The Jedi ''aren't'' arresting him for being just a member of a rival religious group, they're arresting him for instigating [[Film/ThePhantomMenace a military occupation of a member state]] and [[Film/AttackOfTheClones the current rebellion against the Republic]], and now for ''trying to overthrow the government''.
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* MisaimedFandom: People sometimes argue in complete seriousness that TheExtremistWasRight regarding Mace Windu attempting to arrest Palpatine ("You see, Anakin? I told you it would come to this. The Jedi are taking over!"), not helped by Palpatine arguing in [[MorePopularSpinoff the better-received novelization]] that merely being a Sith isn't a crime. The Jedi ''aren't'' arresting him for being just a member of a rival religious group, they're arresting him for ''trying to overthrow the government''.
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/StarWarsEmperorPalpatine Palpatine]], [[Characters/StarWarsGeneralGrievous General Grievous]] and Wat Tambor. See their entries under ''Franchise/StarWars'' films [[Monster/StarWars here]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/StarWarsEmperorPalpatine Palpatine]], [[Characters/StarWarsGeneralGrievous General Grievous]] and [[Characters/StarWarsSeparatistAlliance Wat Tambor.Tambor]]. See their entries under ''Franchise/StarWars'' films [[Monster/StarWars here]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/StarWarsEmperorPalpatine Palpatine]] and [[Characters/StarWarsGeneralGrievous General Grievous]]. See their entries under ''Franchise/StarWars'' films [[Monster/StarWars here]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/StarWarsEmperorPalpatine Palpatine]] and Palpatine]], [[Characters/StarWarsGeneralGrievous General Grievous]].Grievous]] and Wat Tambor. See their entries under ''Franchise/StarWars'' films [[Monster/StarWars here]].
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* AwardSnub: This is the only live-action ''Star Wars'' film not to win or be nominated for the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects.

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* AwardSnub: This is the only live-action ''Star Wars'' film not to win or be nominated for the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects. Music/JohnWilliams' score also wasn't nominated.
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Word of Lucas makes it clear there was nothing to actually salvage; the Jedi of the OT were supposed to be the same as the Jedi of the PT, just without the support system in a hostile world that was hunting them down.


** Yoda and Obi-Wan (and, as a result, Luke) being more spiritual in the original trilogy in the manner Qui-Gon was, as opposed to the dogmatic Jedi Order who saw such behavior as blasphemy, is justified by them being taught by the spirit of Qui-Gon himself.
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** Yoda and Obi-Wan (and, as a result, Luke) being more spiritual in the original trilogy in the manner Qui-Gon was, as opposed to the dogmatic Jedi Order who saw such behavior as blasphemy, is justified by them being taught by the spirit of Qui-Gon himself.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: See the franchise [[AuthorsSavingThrow/StarWars page]].


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** Yoda and Obi-Wan (and, as a result, Luke) being more spiritual in the original trilogy in the manner Qui-Gon was, as opposed to the dogmatic Jedi Order who saw such behavior as blasphemy, is justified by them being taught by the spirit of Qui-Gon himself.
** After complaints about how Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship was handled in the previous two films (their interaction in ''TPM'' is minimal, and ''AOTC'' mostly features them being annoyed with one another), the first half of this film has them behave more as the close friends they're supposed to be (from the [[VitriolicBestBuds witty banter]] they exchange to more heartfelt moments).
** A minor one, but the Neimoidian bridge officer on the ''Invisible Hand'' has an American accent rather than the YellowPeril-esque accent (based on Thai according to WordOfGod) previous Neimoidian characters were criticized for, showing that it's not the only accent they can have.
** The Trade Federation's [[MechaMooks battle droids]] got a lot of criticism in the first two films for being bland and [[NightmareRetardant not particularly threatening]], with many fans viewing them as a ReplacementScrappy for the original trilogy's Imperial Stormtroopers. In this film, Lucas chose to embrace this, portraying them as pure ComicRelief characters--complete with cartoonish squeaky voices, and a few genuinely funny slapstick gags.
** Bail Organa ordering Captain Antilles to wipe C-3PO's memory at the end of the film clears up the continuity problem of 3PO not recognizing the planet Tatooine, Obi-Wan, Owen and Beru Lars, Luke, Leia or Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy despite experiencing all this in the prequels. R2 was spared this fate since he's an astromech droid and can't speak, which is why he does vaguely remember Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope''.
** Anakin comes across as less whiny and more likable compared to his portrayal in ''Attack of the Clones''. His complaining is more subdued and more justifiable (he feels alienated because the Council still don't trust him despite years of dedication to the Jedi and even Obi-Wan thinks they're being a bit unfair to him). The opening scene establishes Anakin as genuinely heroic; he wants to help the clone troopers when they're overrun by droids until Obi-Wan tells him to focus on the mission and he saves Obi-Wan multiple times, including disobeying Palpatine's order to leave him when he's knocked out and carrying him on his back. He also expresses remorse over killing the unarmed Dooku, feeding into his overall struggle throughout the film with deciding what's right.
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* DesignatedHero: A blunt and unusually literal example in the opening crawl. We're told that "there are heroes on both sides" of the Republic-Separatist conflict, which is a ''very'' generous interpretation of the few Separatist-aligned characters this might apply to. Its shadow leader has an entry under CompleteMonster, its public face is fully complicit in every bullet point of that guy's EvilPlan ([[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness other than his own death]]), its general is an AxCrazy cyborg, and its council of leaders is completely unsympathetic to a man. The epithet probably applies best to Dooku, but even then mostly in a TragicVillain and AlasPoorVillain kind of manner.

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* DesignatedHero: A blunt and unusually literal example in the opening crawl. We're told that "there are heroes on both sides" of the Republic-Separatist conflict, which is a ''very'' generous interpretation of the few Separatist-aligned characters this might apply to. Its shadow leader has an entry under CompleteMonster, its public face is fully complicit in every bullet point of that guy's EvilPlan ([[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness other than his own death]]), its general is an AxCrazy cyborg, cyborg who ([[AdaptationalJerkass at least in canon]]) is ''also'' a CompleteMonster, and its council of leaders is completely unsympathetic to a man. The epithet probably applies best to Dooku, but even then mostly in a TragicVillain and AlasPoorVillain kind of manner.


** Some people felt that Padmé's "So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause" line was [[StrawmanPolitical a blatant jab at things like the Patriot Act]] and [[PostNineElevenTerrorismMovie the overall culture of post-9/11 America]]. For what it's worth, Creator/GeorgeLucas has implied that it was actually supposed to be referencing UsefulNotes/NaziGermany.

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** Some people felt that Padmé's "So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause" line was [[StrawmanPolitical a blatant jab at things like the Patriot Act]] and [[PostNineElevenTerrorismMovie [[Post911TerrorismMovie the overall culture of post-9/11 America]]. For what it's worth, Creator/GeorgeLucas has implied that it was actually supposed to be referencing UsefulNotes/NaziGermany.
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* RealismInducedHorror: Your husband succumbs to all his worst qualities, becomes a fanatic mass murderer and would-be tyrant, and when you refuse to join him, he assumes you've turned on him and physically assaults you while you're pregnant. Doubles as DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything, particularly for viewers who have undergone or witnessed domestic abuse.

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* RealismInducedHorror: Your husband succumbs to all his worst qualities, becomes a fanatic mass murderer and would-be tyrant, monster, and when you refuse to join go along with him, he assumes you've turned on him and physically assaults you while you're pregnant. Doubles as DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything, particularly for viewers who have undergone or witnessed domestic abuse.
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-->'''Ratio Tile''': This is ''your own'' masterpiece.

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--->'''Yoda:''' Not… if anything to say about it… '''''I HAVE!'''''

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** Arguably, "Backstroke of the West," of all things, improves on the line, changing it to "I will ruin you!" As if Anakin is vowing that he'll have his revenge one day for what Obi-Wan has done to him.

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** Arguably, "Backstroke of the West," of all things, improves on the two lines:
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line, changing it to "I will ruin you!" As if Anakin is vowing that he'll have his revenge one day for what Obi-Wan has done to him.him.
*** The second being an earlier line, when Obi-Wan says "You have done that yourself!" after Anakin accuses him of turning Padme against him. In Backstroke, however, he has something more poetic to say.
-->'''Ratio Tile''': This is ''your own'' masterpiece.
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* AccidentalAesop: Many fans make the joke that one of the messages of the movie is the importance of getting proper sleep, making the observation/joke that the entire plot of the movie only happened because Anakin was sleep deprived due to his nightmares. This aesop is even emphasized in some of the film's various novelizations. This is of course also something of a SpaceWhaleAesop: If you don't get eight hours of sleep, you won't make good decisions, the evil space wizard will win, you'll murder children and your wife, and then you will fall in lava.

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* AccidentalAesop: Many fans make the joke that one of the messages of the movie is the importance of getting proper sleep, making the observation/joke that [[ExhaustionInducedIdiocy the entire plot of the movie only happened because Anakin was sleep deprived due to his nightmares.nightmares]]. This aesop is even emphasized in some of the film's various novelizations. This is of course also something of a SpaceWhaleAesop: If you don't get eight hours of sleep, you won't make good decisions, the evil space wizard will win, you'll murder children and your wife, and then you will fall in lava.
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** A character played by Creator/SamuelLJackson speaks on behalf of a council: "You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master."). Seven years later, [[Film/TheAvengers2012 another character played by SLJ defies a different council's decision]]: "I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it."

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** A character played by Creator/SamuelLJackson speaks on behalf of a council: "You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master."). " Seven years later, [[Film/TheAvengers2012 another character played by SLJ defies a different council's decision]]: "I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it."
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** A character played by Creator/SamuelLJackson speaks on behalf of a council: "You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master."). Seven years later, [[Film/TheAvengers2012 another character played by SLJ defies a different council's decision]]: "I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it."

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