History YMMV / PrideAndPrejudice

29th Apr '16 8:39:41 AM SharkToast
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*DracoInLeatherPants: Mr Darcy is an unusual example of this trope. The point of the story is to not judge by first impressions alone, and Elizabeth does discover that Darcy can be a genuinely decent and noble person once she manages to look past the unfavourable view she initially developed of him. However, many readers tend to extrapolate this to view Darcy as a borderline saint who was always completely misunderstood and perfect. In fact, ''Darcy himself'' admits that many of Elizabeth's initial criticisms of his character were, in fact, entirely justified -- he genuinely could be a bit of a cold, unpleasant snob (albeit not nearly the hateful bastard that Elizabeth had convinced herself she was) and had to do plenty of soul-searching and improvement of his character in order to become a man worthy of her affections.
6th Apr '16 12:46:13 PM MagBas
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* MarySue: Jane is seen as this sometimes; she's the most gorgeous girl in town, has the sweetest disposition and is incapable of finding bad in anyone. More so in the movie adaptations than the book, where she is seen as being a little too quick to trust people and/or too late to find fault with them. In both, her attitude of LoveYouAndEverybody does mislead Darcy as to the strength of her affection for Bingley, and thus delay their engagement. Still, being too nice is basically her only fault, and it never gets her into any lasting trouble. Although one fundamental part of the trope is ignored; while Jane might be the perfect sister, she's only a background focus of the story and the action primarily concerns her more flawed but also more interesting sister Lizzie.
27th Mar '16 1:02:49 PM Scabbard
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** Part of the reason Mary has such a MisaimedFandom is because of the range of things other characters get down on her for - everything from the truly obnoxious, like her moralizing lectures, to hogging the piano to...[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not being interested in balls]]. And this is used as grounds to say she's ''as bad as Lydia and Kitty''. One has to consider, though, that balls were the primary way for young single people in the English countryside to meet and mingle (those in the city had other opportunities), and for girls like the Bennets who would be penniless upon their father's death if they didn't marry well, getting to know men at balls was crucial both for their own welfare and that of their family. So it ''was'' rather presumptuous of Mary not to at least ''make an effort'' to dance and socialize. (This is diminished in the 2005 film, where she genuinely makes an effort to practice music and sing at Bingley's ball and ends up humiliating herself) Modern introverted readers who've been mocked for not being outgoing tend to see themselves in Mary, and forget how different their situations are.

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** Part of the reason Mary has such a MisaimedFandom is because of the range of things other characters get down on her for - everything from the truly obnoxious, like her moralizing lectures, to hogging the piano to...[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not being interested in balls]]. And this is used as grounds to say she's ''as bad as Lydia and Kitty''. One has to consider, though, that balls were the primary way for young single people in the English countryside to meet and mingle (those in the city had other opportunities), and for girls like the Bennets who would be penniless upon their father's death if they didn't marry well, getting to know men at balls was crucial both for their own welfare and that of their family. So it ''was'' rather presumptuous of Mary not to at least ''make an effort'' to dance and socialize. (This is diminished in the 2005 film, where she genuinely makes an effort to practice music and sing at Bingley's ball and ends up humiliating herself) herself.) Modern introverted readers who've been mocked for not being outgoing tend to see themselves in Mary, and forget how different their situations are.
2nd Mar '16 5:36:10 PM Noraneko
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** Part of the reason Mary has such a MisaimedFandom is because of the range of things other characters get down on her for - everything from the truly obnoxious, like her moralizing lectures, to hogging the piano to...[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not being interested in balls]]. And this is used as grounds to say she's ''as bad as Lydia and Kitty''. One has to consider, though, that balls were the primary way for young single people in the English countryside to meet and mingle (those in the city had other opportunities), and for girls like the Bennets who would be penniless upon their father's death if they didn't marry well, getting to know men at balls was crucial both for their own welfare and that of their family. So it ''was'' rather presumptuous of Mary not to at least ''make an effort'' to dance and socialize. Modern introverted readers who've been mocked for not being outgoing tend to see themselves in Mary, and forget how different their situations are.

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** Part of the reason Mary has such a MisaimedFandom is because of the range of things other characters get down on her for - everything from the truly obnoxious, like her moralizing lectures, to hogging the piano to...[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not being interested in balls]]. And this is used as grounds to say she's ''as bad as Lydia and Kitty''. One has to consider, though, that balls were the primary way for young single people in the English countryside to meet and mingle (those in the city had other opportunities), and for girls like the Bennets who would be penniless upon their father's death if they didn't marry well, getting to know men at balls was crucial both for their own welfare and that of their family. So it ''was'' rather presumptuous of Mary not to at least ''make an effort'' to dance and socialize. (This is diminished in the 2005 film, where she genuinely makes an effort to practice music and sing at Bingley's ball and ends up humiliating herself) Modern introverted readers who've been mocked for not being outgoing tend to see themselves in Mary, and forget how different their situations are.
20th Feb '16 6:45:19 PM fearlessnikki
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A fair few feminist critics of the book posit Elizabeth as being just as materialistic as any of the less sympathetic characters by focusing on her feelings for Darcy changing as she visits his magnificent estate. (Considering that, during this retelling, Jane immediately thereafter entreats her to please be serious, these critics may have missed the mark, or at least the humor- especially as Lizzie may have referred to the fact that said estate was well-organized and full of servants gushing over Mr. Darcy, which indeed ''was'' a turning point for her.)
** Some adaptations portray Mary in a much more sympathetic light, emphasizing her plainness and bookwormishness compared to her more attractive and outgoing sisters. Even amongst those who have only read the book, Mary has a sizable fanbase. The 2005 adaptation gives a few hints that she falls for Mr. Collins during his stay.
*** The 1940 film ends with [[spoiler: her being wooed by a clerk from the bookstore she is first seen in at the beginning of the movie - and he accompanies her on the flute as she sings!]]

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A fair few feminist critics of the book posit Elizabeth as being just as materialistic as any of the less sympathetic characters by focusing on her feelings for Darcy changing as she visits his magnificent estate. (Considering that, during this retelling, Jane immediately thereafter entreats her to please be serious, these critics may have missed the mark, or at least the humor- especially as Lizzie may have referred to the fact that said estate was well-organized and full of servants gushing over Mr. Darcy, which indeed ''was'' a turning point for her.)
** There are also some who wonder if Mrs Bennett really deserves as much scorn as Lizzy throws on her. While she's incredibly embarrassing, it should be noted that she's trying to make sure her daughters have a roof over their heads when Mr Bennett dies.
** Some adaptations portray Mary in a much more sympathetic light, emphasizing her plainness and bookwormishness compared to her more attractive and outgoing sisters. Even amongst those who have only read the book, Mary has a sizable fanbase. The 2005 adaptation gives a few hints that she falls for Mr. Collins during his stay.
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stay. The 1940 film ends with [[spoiler: her being wooed by a clerk from the bookstore she is first seen in at the beginning of the movie - and he accompanies her on the flute as she sings!]]


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** Another for the 2005 film - specifically Lizzy turning down Mr Collins. Repeatedly. In ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanDeadMansChest'' the two actors star together, where Tom Hollander stops Keira Knightley's wedding and has her arrested.
18th Feb '16 1:13:36 PM fearlessnikki
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** The existence of ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudiceAndZombies'', where the the Bennet sisters are reimagined as zombie hunters, can make the 2005 film amusing to watch - since most of the leading actresses have prominent ActionGirl roles - Keira Knightley (Lizzie) in ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'', ''Film/KingArthur'' and ''{{Film/Domino}}'', Rosamund Pike (Jane) in ''Film/DieAnotherDay'' and ''[[Film/ClashOfTheTitans Wrath of the Titans]]'', and Jena Malone (Lydia) in ''Film/SuckerPunch'' and ''Film/TheHungerGames''. What's more is that Lady Catherine is imagined as the head of a zombie fighting organisation, and her actress in the 2005 film - Judi Dench - is best known as M in the ''Franchise/JamesBond'' films.
1st Feb '16 11:13:49 PM toongrrl1990
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** Mr. Darcy admiring Lizzy's "fine eyes" became this in the fandom when talking of the 1995 miniseries where [[MyEyesAreUpHere Lizzy is played by the chesty Jennifer Ehle]].
2nd Dec '15 5:41:19 AM Scabbard
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** Mr. Bennet states that Lizzy is the kind of woman who would not be happy in marriage unless she "looked up to [her husband] as a superior", and Lizzy assures him that she does see Mr. Darcy that way. Although this one does depend on whether you think they mean that Darcy is socially or emotionally superior to Lizzie in standing or import (as in, Darcy is superior to Lizzie), or rather that they mean that he'd appear so when compared to the rest of the man around (as in, Darcy is superior to any other man Lizzie might be interested in).

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** Mr. Bennet states that Lizzy is the kind of woman who would not be happy in marriage unless she "looked up to [her husband] as a superior", and Lizzy assures him that she does see Mr. Darcy that way. Although this one does depend on whether you think they mean that Darcy is socially or emotionally superior to Lizzie in standing or import (as in, Darcy is superior to Lizzie), or rather that they mean that he'd appear so when compared to the rest of the man men around (as in, Darcy is superior to any other man Lizzie might be interested in).
2nd Dec '15 5:33:58 AM Scabbard
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* RonTheDeathEater: As mentioned above, some modern-day critics seize on Elizabeth's comment that her feelings for Darcy changed after seeing his grand estate as evidence that she is selfish, materialistic and shallow -- ignoring that, in context, she is clearly making a joke. Not to mention, in the book, when she first sees the estate, she comments to herself that it all could've been hers had she married Darcy... and then promptly reminds herself that had she doesn't like him and considers him to be a massive prick, so she's glad she turned him down, estate or no estate. (There is also the fact that the gushing servants and obviously well-kept estate convince Lizzie that perhaps Mr. Darcy is not quite as bad as she thought and the letter in which he detailed his side of the Wickam-story may be really true.)

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* RonTheDeathEater: As mentioned above, some modern-day critics seize on Elizabeth's comment that her feelings for Darcy changed after seeing his grand estate as evidence that she is selfish, materialistic and shallow -- ignoring that, in context, she is clearly making a joke. Not to mention, in the book, when she first sees the estate, she comments to herself that it all could've been hers had she married Darcy... and then promptly reminds herself that had she doesn't like him and considers him to be a massive prick, so she's glad she turned him down, estate or no estate. (There is also the fact that the gushing servants and obviously well-kept estate convince Lizzie that perhaps Mr. Darcy is not quite as bad as she thought and the letter in which he detailed his side of the Wickam-story may be really true.)
2nd Dec '15 5:32:28 AM Scabbard
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** Also in the 2005 adaptation, Jena Maloney plays Lydia and Donald Sutherland plays Mr. Bennet...Jena plays [[BloodKnight Johanna Mason]] in Catching Fire, and Sutherland plays [[BigBad President Snow]].

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** Also in the 2005 adaptation, Jena Maloney plays Lydia and Donald Sutherland plays Mr. Bennet... Jena plays [[BloodKnight Johanna Mason]] in Catching Fire, and Sutherland plays [[BigBad President Snow]].
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