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** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreed.

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** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreed.''VideoGame/GihrensGreed''.
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He is one but this is a ZCE and if we view this show standalone than he dosen\'t show up or do anything noteworthy


* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/MobileSuitGundam Prince Gihren Zabi]]
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*CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/MobileSuitGundam Prince Gihren Zabi]]

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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as pure evil, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.

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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin.Sahalin. Either you think of him as pure evil, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.



* MemeticBadass: Norris Packard.
** Having a first name which is a surname of [[ChuckNorris another Memetic Badass]] probably helps...

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* MemeticBadass: Norris Packard.
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Packard. Having a first name which is a surname of [[ChuckNorris another Memetic Badass]] probably helps...
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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as [[CompleteMonster pure evil]], a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.

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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as [[CompleteMonster pure evil]], evil, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.
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in other words, doesn\'t count as narm, even if it\'s subjective to begin with.


* {{Narm}}: Mobile suit-sized sniper nets. Look, Gundams have always been extensions of human anatomy, but that just goes to far. It makes [[{{Gundam00}} Dynames' cloak]] look reasonable.
** Actually, camouflage netting has been used for large vehicles such as tanks and even large aircraft, so having something that size for use with mobile suits isn't that far off.
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** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him utterly dispicable; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.

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** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him utterly dispicable; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's Creator/ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.
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** Actually, camouflage netting has been used for large vehicles such as tanks and even large aircraft, so having something that size for use with mobile suits isn't that far off.
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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as pure evil, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.

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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as [[CompleteMonster pure evil, evil]], a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.
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Not an example. Quoth the Moral Dissoance page: \"The trope is about internal inconsistency — the dissonance is on the part of the character, not the audience. The hero saying one thing and doing another is the trope. The hero making an argument for his actions that is considered unconvincing, or acting in a way that you don\'t consider moral is not the trope.\"


* MoralDissonance: Shiro is allowed to [[spoiler:walk out on his team in the middle of battle to aid a enemy soldier he's known for roughly 12 hours. We're supposed to side with him.]] Meanwhile Aina [[spoiler:abandons all duties she has to her brother, who depended on her as a caretaker due to being physically and mentally frail (both things that, like it or not, he couldn't help), does nothing as he self destructs because of it, seemingly doesn't care when Shiro kills him, and is implied to be perfectly fine and happy after the fact. Again, we're supposed to side with her. Say what you will, but this actually has some pretty horrible implications in regards to the treatment of mentally and physically ill people, who don't exactly have it peachy as is, both in the media and real life.]]
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1. this is reference to actions of hers that take place well before she got shot.


** [[spoiler:Then again, said brother had just shot her with intent to kill, and his reason for doing so was because she refused to help him vaporize a bunch of other people with his own private superweapon. Yeah, treatment could've helped him beforehand, but at that point taking him down was the best solution they had left.]]
*** [[spoiler:Maybe she wouldn't have gotten shot if she didn't drive him to a mental breakdown in the first place.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Maybe she wouldn't have gotten shot if she didn't drive him to a mental breakdown in the first place.]]


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* PuritySue: Some takes on Aina get dangerously close.
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** [[spoiler:Then again, said brother had just shot her with intent to kill, and his reason for doing so was because she refused to help him vaporize a bunch of other people with his own private superweapon. Yeah, treatment could've helped him beforehand, but at that point taking him down was the best solution they had left.]]
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* {{Narm}}: Mobile suit-sized sniper nets. Look, Gundams have always been extensions of human anatomy, but that just goes to far. It makes [[Gundam00 Dynames' cloak]] look reasonable.

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* {{Narm}}: Mobile suit-sized sniper nets. Look, Gundams have always been extensions of human anatomy, but that just goes to far. It makes [[Gundam00 [[{{Gundam00}} Dynames' cloak]] look reasonable.
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* {{Narm}}: Mobile suit-sized sniper nets. Look, Gundams have always been extensions of human anatomy, but that just goes to far. It makes [[Gundam00 Dynames' cloak]] look reasonable.
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These are things both of them did BEFORE their lives were threatened. If I can leave entries I disagree with alone, you can as well.

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* MoralDissonance: Shiro is allowed to [[spoiler:walk out on his team in the middle of battle to aid a enemy soldier he's known for roughly 12 hours. We're supposed to side with him.]] Meanwhile Aina [[spoiler:abandons all duties she has to her brother, who depended on her as a caretaker due to being physically and mentally frail (both things that, like it or not, he couldn't help), does nothing as he self destructs because of it, seemingly doesn't care when Shiro kills him, and is implied to be perfectly fine and happy after the fact. Again, we're supposed to side with her. Say what you will, but this actually has some pretty horrible implications in regards to the treatment of mentally and physically ill people, who don't exactly have it peachy as is, both in the media and real life.]]

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Chihiro Yonekura's Arashi no naka e Kagayaite, the first OP.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Chihiro Yonekura's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr8mhvSO_fs Arashi no naka e Kagayaite, Kagayaite]], the first OP.OP.
** And the HotBlooded cover by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YQsB8ALEE Masaki Endoh.]]
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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as a CompleteMonster, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.

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* BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think of him as a CompleteMonster, pure evil, a TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.



** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him [[CompleteMonster utterly dispicable]]; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.

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** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him [[CompleteMonster utterly dispicable]]; dispicable; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.
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* FanficFuel: Ginias's lightly-touched FreudianExcuse and what little backstory was given for him and his sister are just enough to get fans' word processors put to use on occasion. The fact that some fans think Ginias might've been an abused child (extrapolated from the implications of their family being dysfunctional and the belief that his breakdown was fueled by deep-rooted trauma instead of purely biological factors) doesn't help. Needless to say, Ginias probably has the greatest risk of becoming a DracoInLeatherPants out of the cast.
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** Having a first name which is a surname of [[ChuckNorris another Memetic Badass]] probably helps...
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** An even odder one: an unnamed Zeon woman who [[OneSceneWonder only appears to report on Norris' signal to launch the Kergeren]]. Her cute looks and being used as a Zeon operator in various games led to a fan following on 2chan who dubbed her Kergerenko which caused her to appear in MORE games and even as part of the promotional material for said games.
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Nightmare Fuel cleanup; see thread for reference


* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Your Mech has been disabled and its sensors destroyed, leaving you trapped in the coffin-like cockpit, completely blind as to what's going on outside, while you are absolutely aware that the enemy [[TheAce ace]] is standing right there ready to kill you like he has the last three opponents he faced in the last ten minutes. [[NothingIsScarier Nothing happens]]. Cue minor FreakOut.
** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreed.
** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him [[CompleteMonster utterly dispicable]]; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.


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* NightmareFuel: Your Mech has been disabled and its sensors destroyed, leaving you trapped in the coffin-like cockpit, completely blind as to what's going on outside, while you are absolutely aware that the enemy [[TheAce ace]] is standing right there ready to kill you like he has the last three opponents he faced in the last ten minutes. [[NothingIsScarier Nothing happens]]. Cue minor FreakOut.
** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreed.
** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him [[CompleteMonster utterly dispicable]]; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Chihiro Yonekura's ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-xDDj-kTBk Arashi no naka e Kagayaite]]'', the first OP.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Chihiro Yonekura's ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-xDDj-kTBk Arashi no naka e Kagayaite]]'', Kagayaite, the first OP.
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* RecycledInSpace: [[spoiler: RomeoAndJuliet]] with Gundams
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* RecycledInSpace: [[spoiler: RomeoAndJuliet]] with Gundams
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** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreed

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** And then there was the wonderful time where you bear witness to the gas attacks as seen in GihrensGreedGihrensGreed.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Ginias is no saint, but some fans seem to think being a backstabbing, AxeCrazy murderer also makes him the sole person who should take the blame for what happened to the Keregeren (even though Colonel Lyers is the one who chose to shoot that in retaliation instead of the Apsaras), physically and sexually abusive of Aina, worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined, and completely incapable and devoid of any genuine concern or love for anyone (which contradicts many of his scenes with Aina early in the series). He's a terrible person, but there's no need to condemn him things he didn't actually do.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Ginias is no saint, but some fans seem to think being a backstabbing, AxeCrazy murderer also makes him the sole person who should take the blame for what happened to the Keregeren (even though Colonel Lyers is the one who chose to shoot that in retaliation instead of the Apsaras), physically and sexually abusive of Aina, worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined, and completely incapable and devoid of any genuine concern or love for anyone (which contradicts many of his scenes with Aina early in the series). He's a terrible person, but there's no need to condemn him for things he didn't actually do.
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Dear person who made the last edit: I love you. I feel the same way.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Ginias is no saint, but some fans seem to think being a backstabbing, AxeCrazy murderer also makes him the sole person who should take the blame for what happened to the Keregeren (even though Colonel Lyers is the one who chose to shoot that in retaliation instead of the Apsaras), physically and sexually abusive of Aina, worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined, and completely incapable and devoid of any genuine concern or love for anyone (which contradicts many of his scenes with Aina early in the series). He's a terrible person, but there's no need to condemn him things he didn't actually do.
* TheScrappy: both Ginias and Michel get a fair share of hate from most of the fandom. The former for his villainy, the latter for being perceived as a whiny and inexperienced kid.
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I\'m going to be lynched by an UC fan for saying this...

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Aina and Shiro. Meeting each other once in space was all it took for Shiro and Aina to get hooked between one another.

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... Coudl you PLEASE stop this shit? I like Ghinias and I don\'t think he was a total Complete Monster, but your Char bashing and the backhanded comments about Aina are NOT helping.


* CompleteMonster: Ginias for [[spoiler: killing Yuri Kellarny and his Apsalus development team. He even makes an attempt on his own sister's life!]] [[YourMileageMayVary Still, it really depends on who you ask.]]
** If you think Ginias qualifies as a CompleteMonster, you'd better think Char Aznable does as well. He commits the same kinds of crimes and worse. Double standards aren't classy! Not to mention you have about as much ammo to make a case for Ginias as a CompleteMonster as you do for Aina being a PuritySue. Possibly more for the latter.

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* CompleteMonster: Ginias for [[spoiler: killing Yuri Kellarny and his Apsalus development team. He even makes an attempt on his own sister's life!]] [[YourMileageMayVary Still, it really depends on who you ask.]]
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BaseBreaker: Ghinias Saharin. Either you think Ginias qualifies of him as a CompleteMonster, you'd better think Char Aznable does as well. He commits the same kinds of crimes and worse. Double standards aren't classy! Not to mention you have about as much ammo to make a case for Ginias as TragicMonster / JerkAssWoobie, or a CompleteMonster as you do for Aina being a PuritySue. Possibly more for the latter. DracoInLeatherPants. There's NOTHING in between.



** As Ghinias loses his sanity and his health declines as well, [[SanitySlippage he becomes more and more unhinged.]] For some, this makes him [[CompleteMonster utterly dispicable]]; for others, [[TragicMonster it makes him tragic]]. There's no discussion on how ''creepy'' it is, and ShowHayami's superb voice acting does ''not'' help.



* PuritySue: Aina, at least in some of the more black and white interpretations can start to seem a little too perfect and innocent. Definitely an extremely subjective view, though.
* TheScrappy: Ginias is generally not well received by the fandom, for obvious reasons. Oddly enough, the traits that make Ginias unlikable don't seem to affect the fandom's love of a [[MobileSuitGundam certain other Gundam villain guilty of the same kinds of crimes]]. [[DracoInLeatherPants Wonder why...]]



* TragicVillain / JerkWoobie: On the flip side, Ginias could also be this for you.

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* TragicVillain / JerkWoobie: On the flip side, Ginias could also be this for you.

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