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** Shani, Clotho, and Orga get the same treatment. Yes they're SlaveMooks forced into the war by Azrael, but that doesn't make them any less [[SociopathicSoldier vicious]] or [[AxeCrazy insane]].
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** And then there's Patrick Zala [[spoiler: shooting Athrun]].
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** IronWoobie: Go ahead life. Tortue Torture Kira. He'll get over it.
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* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael. [[HeManWomanHater Misogynistic]]. Condescending. [[SmugSnake Arrogant]]. Spiteful. [[FantasticRacism Wants to murder every Coordinator that breathes in order to protect the Naturals]]. Only wants to defend the Naturals from an ideological standpoint, and [[WeHaveReserves cares little for individual lives]]. Uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] to turn children into brainwashed super soldiers and send them into combat. Classifies said children as equipment and considers them expendable. Basically, Azrael is every negative human emotion imaginable, all wrapped up in [[ManOfWealthAndTaste an expenisve blue suit]]. Without a doubt the most evil character in the series. Made ''worse'' by [[NobuyukiHiyama how childish]] and [[AndrewFrancis friendly]] his voice sounds
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* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael. [[HeManWomanHater Misogynistic]]. Condescending. [[SmugSnake Arrogant]]. Spiteful. [[FantasticRacism Wants to murder every Coordinator that breathes in order to protect the Naturals]]. Only wants to defend the Naturals from an ideological standpoint, and [[WeHaveReserves cares little for individual lives]]. Uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] to turn children into brainwashed super soldiers and send them into combat. Classifies said children as equipment and considers them expendable. Basically, Azrael is every negative human emotion imaginable, all wrapped up in [[ManOfWealthAndTaste an expenisve blue suit]]. Without a doubt the most evil character in the series. Made ''worse'' by [[NobuyukiHiyama how childish]] and [[AndrewFrancis friendly]] his voice soundssounds.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Muruta Azrael. Fangirls either downplay or handwave his atrocities in the show because he's so pretty and hot.
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* TheScrappy: Flay Alster. To some, she's just Allster, for those who don't see her as a slutty and manipulative MindGameShip. To others, she's the most painfully realistic character in the series.JerkassWoobie.
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* NoYay: It isn't hard to interpret [[CompleteMonster Azrael]]'s interactions with [[SergeantRock Natarle Badgerrule]] as an attempt at hitting on her. {{Squick}}!
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* NoYay: It isn't hard to interpret [[CompleteMonster Azrael]]'s interactions with [[SergeantRock Natarle Badgerrule]] Badgiruel]] as an attempt at hitting on her. {{Squick}}!
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* NoYay: It isn't hard to interpret [[CompleteMonster Azrael]]'s interactions with [[SergeantRock Natarle Badgerrule]] as an attempt at hitting on her. {{Squick}}!
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* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael. Misogynistic. Condescending. Arrogant. Spiteful. Wants to murder every Coordinator that breathes in order to protect the Naturals. Only wants to defend the Naturals from an ideological standpoint, and cares little for individual lives. Uses drugs to turn children into brainwashed super soldiers and send them into combat. Classifies said children as equipment and considers them expendable. Basically, Azrael is every negative human emotion imaginable, all wrapped up in an expenisve blue suit. Without a doubt the most evil character in the series. Made ''worse'' by [[NobuyukiHiyama how childish]] and [[AndrewFrancis friendly]] his voice sounds
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* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael. Misogynistic.[[HeManWomanHater Misogynistic]]. Condescending. Arrogant.[[SmugSnake Arrogant]]. Spiteful. [[FantasticRacism Wants to murder every Coordinator that breathes in order to protect the Naturals. Naturals]]. Only wants to defend the Naturals from an ideological standpoint, and [[WeHaveReserves cares little for individual lives. lives]]. Uses drugs [[PsychoSerum drugs]] to turn children into brainwashed super soldiers and send them into combat. Classifies said children as equipment and considers them expendable. Basically, Azrael is every negative human emotion imaginable, all wrapped up in [[ManOfWealthAndTaste an expenisve blue suit.suit]]. Without a doubt the most evil character in the series. Made ''worse'' by [[NobuyukiHiyama how childish]] and [[AndrewFrancis friendly]] his voice sounds
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* MagnificentBastard: Rau Le Creuset fits this trope incredibly well. He does have a VillainousBreakdown but not much of one, goes out with a smile, and most importantly is a fine ManipulativeBastard and Chessmaster.{{Chessmaster}}. When you [[spoiler: talk the world into self-destruction, manipulating a pair of ''very'' high-functioning {{Smug Snake}}s in the process, you count]].
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** JerkassWoobie: How Flay's fans tend to see her.
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* MisBlamed: As mentioned many times on this page, many of SEED's detractors take Destiny's flaws and put them onto SEED instead of focusing on SEED's own flaws. In fact, even though there were a lot of changes in production just like Destiny, they improved the overall quality of the series. Not that the FanDumb would listen when you bring this up, of course.
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* MisBlamed: As mentioned many times on this page, many of SEED's detractors take Destiny's flaws and put them onto SEED instead of focusing on SEED's own flaws. In fact, even though there were a lot of changes in production just like Destiny, they improved the overall quality of the series. Not that the FanDumb would will listen when you bring this up, of course.
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* TheWoobie: So, so many.
** IronWoobie: Go ahead life. Tortue Kira. He'll get over it.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Rau LeCreuset.Creuset. The man's life has sucked, to the point where he's convinced that [[MisanthropeSupreme we all]] [[KillAllHumans gotta go]].
** IronWoobie: Go ahead life. Tortue Kira. He'll get over it.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Rau Le
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* CompleteMonster: Muruta AzraelAzrael. Misogynistic. Condescending. Arrogant. Spiteful. Wants to murder every Coordinator that breathes in order to protect the Naturals. Only wants to defend the Naturals from an ideological standpoint, and cares little for individual lives. Uses drugs to turn children into brainwashed super soldiers and send them into combat. Classifies said children as equipment and considers them expendable. Basically, Azrael is every negative human emotion imaginable, all wrapped up in an expenisve blue suit. Without a doubt the most evil character in the series. Made ''worse'' by [[NobuyukiHiyama how childish]] and [[AndrewFrancis friendly]] his voice sounds
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** To a lesser extent, Rau Le Creuset also qualifies. Throughout the series, he is depicted as a sociopath devoid of empathy who desires the extermination of every man, woman, and child in existence. True, he had a bad childhood which wasn't helped by the fact that he was doomed to die at an early age due to shortened telomeres within his genetic structure. However, there were several moments in his life when he was treated with genuine kindness by figures such as Gilbert Durandal, Athrun Zala, and Flay Allster among others. Even though such altruistic behavior flew in the face of his view that All Humansare Bastards, he willfully disregarded such experiences and continued with his plans of omnicide just for the sake of dragging down as many people with him as he possibly could.
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* MoralEventHorizon: It's easy to lose respect for Rau Le Creuset [[spoiler: when he nonchalantly uses his lasers to kill Flay Alster.]] Of course, it's also easy to be [[AndTheFandomRejoiced dancing in the streets]] [[spoiler: since [[TheScrappy Flay]] was arguably the least popular character in the series.]]
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* WoobieDestroyerofWorlds: Rau Le Creuset.
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It defeats the purpose of it being a love it or hate thing and it\'s only one opinion out of a million from the Gundam fanbase. Please don\'t put it up again.
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** Best ever? Seriously? It's considered solid but rarely ever seriously viewed as one of the best.
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* MagnificentBastard: Rau Le Creuset fits this trope incredibly well. He does have a VillainousBreakdown but not much of one, goes out with a smile, and most importantly is a fine ManipulativeBastard and Chessmaster.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Seed is either consider to be one of the best Gundam series ever or one of the worst by the fanbase with very little room inbetween.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Seed is either consider to be one of the best Gundam series ever or one of the worst by the fanbase with very little room inbetween. inbetween.
** Best ever? Seriously? It's considered solid but rarely ever seriously viewed as one of the best.
** Best ever? Seriously? It's considered solid but rarely ever seriously viewed as one of the best.
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* AdaptationDecay: The goddamn manga. It crunched a 50-episode plot into five volumes and butchered the characterization of almost ''every'' character. [[spoiler:Ironically, it's one of the adaptations where it's revealed that Rau was [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned by Al de Flaga]] when his body's flaws became apparent, setting the stage for certain events in the sequel.]]
** One thing the manga may have handled better was [[spoiler: the way Nicol and Tolle died]]. When [[spoiler: Nicol]] takes the hit for Athrun, Athrun attacks Kira in a blind rage instead of spending the rest of the day and much of the next moping about it, and winds up [[spoiler: killing Tolle]] in the same battle. However, the impact is indeed dulled by the fact that the manga's version of the characters are quite flat.
** One thing the manga may have handled better was [[spoiler: the way Nicol and Tolle died]]. When [[spoiler: Nicol]] takes the hit for Athrun, Athrun attacks Kira in a blind rage instead of spending the rest of the day and much of the next moping about it, and winds up [[spoiler: killing Tolle]] in the same battle. However, the impact is indeed dulled by the fact that the manga's version of the characters are quite flat.
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* MisBlamed: As mentioned many times on this page, many of SEED's detractors take Destiny's flaws and put them onto SEED instead of focusing on SEED's own flaws. In fact, even though there were a lot of changes in production just like Destiny, they improved the overall quality of the series. Not that the FanDumb would listen when you bring this up, of course.
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** To a lesser extent, Rau Le Creuset also qualifies. Throughout the series, he is depicted as a sociopath devoid of empathy who desires the extermination of every man, woman, and child in existence. True, he had a bad childhood which wasn't helped by the fact that he was doomed to die at an early age due to shortened telomeres within his genetic structure. However, there were several moments in his life when he was treated with genuine kindness by figures such as Gilbert Durandal, Athrun Zala, and Flay Allster among others. Even though such altruistic behavior flew in the face of his view that All Humansare Bastards, he willfully disregarded such experiences and continued with his plans of omnicide just for the sake of dragging down as many people with him as he possibly could.
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* AdaptationDecay (The goddamn manga. It crunched a 50-episode plot into five volumes and butchered the characterization of almost ''every'' character. [[spoiler:Ironically, it's one of the adaptations where it's revealed that Rau was [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned by Al de Flaga]] when his body's flaws became apparent, setting the stage for certain events in the sequel.]])
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* AdaptationDecay (The AdaptationDecay: The goddamn manga. It crunched a 50-episode plot into five volumes and butchered the characterization of almost ''every'' character. [[spoiler:Ironically, it's one of the adaptations where it's revealed that Rau was [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned by Al de Flaga]] when his body's flaws became apparent, setting the stage for certain events in the sequel.]])]]
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* AdaptationDecay (The goddamn manga. It crunched a 50-episode plot into five volumes and butchered the characterization of almost ''every'' character. [[spoiler:Ironically, it's one of the adaptations where it's revealed that Rau was [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned by Al de Flaga]] when his body's flaws became apparent, setting the stage for certain events in the sequel.]])
** One thing the manga may have handled better was [[spoiler: the way Nicol and Tolle died]]. When [[spoiler: Nicol]] takes the hit for Athrun, Athrun attacks Kira in a blind rage instead of spending the rest of the day and much of the next moping about it, and winds up [[spoiler: killing Tolle]] in the same battle. However, the impact is indeed dulled by the fact that the manga's version of the characters are quite flat.
* AlasPoorScrappy ([[spoiler:Flay]], although YourMileageMayVary for both "Scrappy" and "Alas")
* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael
* ConspiracyRedemption (More than one, but the Battle of JOSH-A is the metaphorical straw that breaks the camel's back)
** One thing the manga may have handled better was [[spoiler: the way Nicol and Tolle died]]. When [[spoiler: Nicol]] takes the hit for Athrun, Athrun attacks Kira in a blind rage instead of spending the rest of the day and much of the next moping about it, and winds up [[spoiler: killing Tolle]] in the same battle. However, the impact is indeed dulled by the fact that the manga's version of the characters are quite flat.
* AlasPoorScrappy ([[spoiler:Flay]], although YourMileageMayVary for both "Scrappy" and "Alas")
* CompleteMonster: Muruta Azrael
* ConspiracyRedemption (More than one, but the Battle of JOSH-A is the metaphorical straw that breaks the camel's back)