History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamSEED

22nd Jun '17 5:53:09 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Remastered version is by and large the same, but there are small touch-ups and additions of scenes here and there. One notable instance is in episode 36 which adds a shot of [[CallForward Shinn and his family]] trying to flee the fighting. Probably the bigger change is in the ending themes: the first ending theme was remade and sounds somewhat different, while the original 2nd ending theme "River" by Tatsuya Ishii is omitted entirely and replaced with a new song by [[Music/YukiKajiura FictionJunction]]. Predictably, some fans of the original run have reacted much in the same vein as "Han shot first."

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Remastered version is by and large the same, but there are small touch-ups and additions of scenes here and there. One notable instance is in episode 36 which adds a shot of [[CallForward Shinn and his family]] trying to flee the fighting. Probably the bigger change is in the ending themes: the first ending theme was remade and sounds somewhat different, while the original 2nd ending theme "River" by Tatsuya Ishii is omitted entirely and replaced with a new song by [[Music/YukiKajiura FictionJunction]]. Predictably, some fans of the original run have reacted much in the same vein as "Han shot first."" And that's not even getting into the BrokenBase above.
25th May '17 1:58:34 PM NativeJovian
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Sort of. English-speaking fans often mistake a brief conversation between Siegel Clyne and Patrick Zala as this. In one scene, the two discuss the fact that few Coordinator children are being born in the [=PLANTs=], and it's mentioned that some people have been advocating for {{Arranged Marriage}}s in order to encourage people to start families (including Clyne and Zala themselves -- this is exactly why Athrun and Lacus are engaged). This is a reference to the [[RippedFromTheHeadlines real-life social issue in Japan]] of an unsustainably low birth rate (literally; their population is getting smaller because more people are dying than are being born), but many English-speaking fans understandably miss the reference and believe it's an indication that Coordinators are becoming infertile due to their genetic manipulation, and are confused when the issue is never raised again.
25th May '17 5:26:40 AM OmegaNemesis13
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Sort of. English-speaking fans often mistake a brief conversation between Siegel Clyne and Patrick Zala as this. In one scene, the two discuss the fact that few Coordinator children are being born in the [=PLANTs=], and it's mentioned that some people have been advocating for {{Arranged Marriage}}s in order to encourage people to start families (including Clyne and Zala themselves -- this is exactly why Athrun and Lacus are engaged). This is a reference to the [[RippedFromTheHeadlines real-life social issue in Japan]] of an unsustainably low birth rate (literally; their population is getting smaller because more people are dying than are being born), but many English-speaking fans understandably miss the reference and believe it's an indication that Coordinators are becoming infertile due to their genetic manipulation, and are confused when the issue is never raised again.
5th Mar '17 2:03:16 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic Muruta Azrael, the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the terrorist organization Blue Cosmos, wants to kill all Coordinators[[note]]people created via genetic engineering[[/note]] by any means necessary and takes unholy delight in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau Le Creuset]] seem sympathetic. Azrael believes entirely that [[BadBoss his subordinates are expendable and willingly sacrifices millions of them]] just to see all the Coordinators burn. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses drugs and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} followers, referred to as the Extended, while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin, Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by [[NukeEm launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland]], Azrael hopes to end it the same way, and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His sole motivation is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid]]. ''GundamSEEDDestiny'''s side-story, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'', adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the drug problems of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.

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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic Muruta Azrael, the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the terrorist organization Blue Cosmos, wants to kill all Coordinators[[note]]people created via genetic engineering[[/note]] by any means necessary and takes unholy delight in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau Le Creuset]] seem sympathetic. Azrael believes entirely that [[BadBoss his subordinates are expendable and willingly sacrifices millions of them]] just to see all the Coordinators burn. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses drugs and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} followers, referred to as the Extended, while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin, Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by [[NukeEm launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland]], Azrael hopes to end it the same way, and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His sole motivation is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid]]. ''GundamSEEDDestiny'''s The side-story, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'', adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the drug problems of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.
5th Mar '17 2:02:29 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists anti-Coordinator terrorist group]] [[MugglePower Blue Cosmos]], wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people created via genetic engineering) by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He believes entirely that his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred to as the Extended), while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.

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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], Azrael, the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists anti-Coordinator terrorist group]] [[MugglePower organization Blue Cosmos]], Cosmos, wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people all Coordinators[[note]]people created via genetic engineering) engineering[[/note]] by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] necessary and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] delight in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Rau Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He sympathetic. Azrael believes entirely that [[BadBoss his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] expendable and willingly sacrifices millions of them them]] just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. burn. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] drugs and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred followers, referred to as the Extended), Extended, while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), sin, Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by [[NukeEm launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, homeland]], Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], way, and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] motivation is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' ''GundamSEEDDestiny'''s side-story, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'', adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] problems of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.
17th Jan '17 6:05:28 AM mega95gox
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** Yzak Joule as well. Not only because of his [[Creator/TomokazuSeki voice]], [[spoiler:but also because he personally destroyed ''two'' Gundams, and the pilots he killed are SuperSoldiers, no less!]]
21st Oct '16 8:59:27 PM dlchen145
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* EvilIsCool: As the show's resident CharClone and MalevolentMaskedMan, everyone knew Le Creuset was going to be cool. Then the reveal comes in, and he turns out to be not only an AcePilot and a total {{Badass}}, but an impossible combination of Char, [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] and [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]. Muruta Azrael also gets this treatment, both from fangirls who [[DracoInLeatherPants give him leather pants]], and others who find that his enthusiasm, [[LaughablyEvil dark sense of humour]], and status as a CompleteMonster with {{A|ttentionDeficitOohShiny}}DHD make him a lot of fun to watch.

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* EvilIsCool: As the show's resident CharClone and MalevolentMaskedMan, everyone knew Le Creuset was going to be cool. Then the reveal comes in, and he turns out to be not only an AcePilot and a total {{Badass}}, badass, but an impossible combination of Char, [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] and [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]. Muruta Azrael also gets this treatment, both from fangirls who [[DracoInLeatherPants give him leather pants]], and others who find that his enthusiasm, [[LaughablyEvil dark sense of humour]], and status as a CompleteMonster with {{A|ttentionDeficitOohShiny}}DHD make him a lot of fun to watch.



* LoveToHate: Rau Le Creuset, who is incredibly popular due to his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], {{badass}}ery, and [[BreakThemByTalking ability to give a speech]].

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* LoveToHate: Rau Le Creuset, who is incredibly popular due to his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], {{badass}}ery, badassery, and [[BreakThemByTalking ability to give a speech]].
14th Aug '16 7:06:13 AM JudasZala
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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone. Her turning out to have a large political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin even though such role is preferred over an idol. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Peacecroft-esque alternative political figure works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle.

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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone. Her turning out to have a large political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin even though such role is preferred over an idol. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Peacecroft-esque Relena Peacecraft-esque alternative political figure works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle.



** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.

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** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust Rusty Mackenzie is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.
7th Aug '16 10:38:53 AM porkyThegrumpiest
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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists terrorist organization]] [[MugglePower Blue Cosmos]], wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people created via genetic engineering) by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He believes entirely that his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred to as the Extended), while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.

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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists anti-Coordinator terrorist organization]] group]] [[MugglePower Blue Cosmos]], wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people created via genetic engineering) by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He believes entirely that his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred to as the Extended), while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.
24th Jul '16 3:56:15 AM Anddrix
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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* BaseBreaker:

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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter:



* TheScrappy: Flay Allster, [[BaseBreaker for those who don't see her as a]] JerkassWoobie. Her manipulation of Kira combined with her blaming him for her father's death, her racism, her bitchy personality, her treatment of Sai, and her general uselessness make her a pretty difficult person to like.

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* TheScrappy: Flay Allster, [[BaseBreaker [[BaseBreakingCharacter for those who don't see her as a]] JerkassWoobie. Her manipulation of Kira combined with her blaming him for her father's death, her racism, her bitchy personality, her treatment of Sai, and her general uselessness make her a pretty difficult person to like.
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