History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamSEED

22nd Sep '17 8:43:52 AM NativeJovian
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* BrokenBase: In the HD Remaster, [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death was retconned to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks, Kira counters, and the attacker is killed. In the remake, he attacks, Kira dodges, and the attack carries him into Kira's sword, which kills him. Here's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of TheDogShotFirst and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.
** Speaking of the HD Remaster, the decision to dub the remaster with an entirely new cast has produced 3 camps: those who are fine with the new cast, those who are fine with the HD remaster getting a dub, but upset that the cast for the dub of the original isn't coming back, and those who are irritated that SEED is getting a second dub, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ whereas]] [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam other]] [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam]] [[Anime/TurnAGundam anime]] are seemingly passed over.

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* BrokenBase: In Besides the {{Base Breaking Character}}s, the HD Remaster, Remaster has also spawned this several times over.
** First is the matter of
[[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death death, which was retconned in the Remaster to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks, attacks Kira counters, and the attacker is killed. dies when Kira reflexively counters. In the remake, he attacks, attacks Kira dodges, and dies when Kira ''dodges'', because the attack carries him into Kira's sword, which kills him.sword anyway. Here's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of TheDogShotFirst and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.
** Speaking of When it was announced in 2017 that the HD Remaster, the decision to dub the remaster Remaster was being dubbed with an entirely new cast has produced 3 camps: those who are fine with cast, the fandom split into three general caps. The first group is excited for the new dub and the new cast, those who are fine the second is okay with the HD remaster Remaster getting a dub, dub but upset that the cast for the dub of would have preferred the original isn't coming back, cast, and those who are irritated the last is annoyed that SEED Gundam Seed is getting a second dub, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ whereas]] [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam other]] [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam]] [[Anime/TurnAGundam anime]] are seemingly passed over.''second'' dub when there's still half a dozen classic Gundam shows that haven't gotten ''any'' dub (including Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'', ''Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam'', ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'', and ''Anime/TurnAGundam'')



** Do we even need to bring up [[OmnicidalManiac Rau Le Creuset]] and the leather pants fangirls give him?
*** In the case of Rau and Azrael, people that hate the show also love them because they desired genocide and said haters are of the opinion that Cosmic Era is a horrible world that deserves for everyone in it to die.

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** Do we even need to bring up [[OmnicidalManiac Rau Le Creuset]] Creuset and the leather pants fangirls give him?
*** In the case of Rau and Azrael,
him? Some people actually view his being an OmnicidalManiac as a ''positive'', on the logic that hate the show also love them because they desired genocide is filled with horrible people and said haters are of humanity ''deserves'' to be wiped out in the opinion that Cosmic Era is a horrible world that deserves for everyone in it to die.timeline.
11th Sep '17 10:34:29 AM Isaac_Heller
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* TheScrappy: Flay Allster, [[BaseBreakingCharacter for those who don't see her as a]] JerkassWoobie. Her manipulation of Kira combined with her blaming him for her father's death, her racism, her bitchy personality, her treatment of Sai, and her general uselessness make her a pretty difficult person to like.
22nd Aug '17 12:03:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MisBlamed: As mentioned many times on this page, many of SEED's detractors take Destiny's flaws and put them onto SEED instead of focusing on SEED's own flaws. In fact, even though there were a lot of changes in production just like Destiny, they improved the overall quality of the series. Not that the FanDumb will listen when you bring this up, of course.

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* MisBlamed: As mentioned many times on this page, many of SEED's detractors take Destiny's flaws and put them onto SEED instead of focusing on SEED's own flaws. In fact, even though there were a lot of changes in production just like Destiny, they improved the overall quality of the series. Not that the FanDumb will listen when you bring this up, of course.
22nd Aug '17 9:26:19 AM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** The beginning of the series looks like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' meets ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing''.
** The setup for the final battle is '''Gundam Wing'' meets ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'' with a little of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Stardust Memory]]'' added in.

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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** The beginning of the series looks like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' meets ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing''.
** The setup for the final battle is '''Gundam Wing'' meets ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'' with a little of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Stardust Memory]]'' added in.
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11th Aug '17 8:49:35 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Speaking of the HD Remaster, the decision to dub the remaster with an entirely new cast has produced 3 camps: those who are fine with the new cast, those who are fine with the HD remaster getting a dub, but upset that the cast for the dub of the original isn't coming back, and those who are irritated that SEED is getting a second dub, [[Anime/MobileSuitZZGundam whereas]] [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam other]] [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam]] [[Anime/TurnAGundam anime]] are seemingly passed over.

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** Speaking of the HD Remaster, the decision to dub the remaster with an entirely new cast has produced 3 camps: those who are fine with the new cast, those who are fine with the HD remaster getting a dub, but upset that the cast for the dub of the original isn't coming back, and those who are irritated that SEED is getting a second dub, [[Anime/MobileSuitZZGundam [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ whereas]] [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam other]] [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam]] [[Anime/TurnAGundam anime]] are seemingly passed over.
11th Aug '17 8:49:18 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Speaking of the HD Remaster, the decision to dub the remaster with an entirely new cast has produced 3 camps: those who are fine with the new cast, those who are fine with the HD remaster getting a dub, but upset that the cast for the dub of the original isn't coming back, and those who are irritated that SEED is getting a second dub, [[Anime/MobileSuitZZGundam whereas]] [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam other]] [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam]] [[Anime/TurnAGundam anime]] are seemingly passed over.
11th Aug '17 4:36:48 AM AgentSkyblueM7
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** Depending on who you ask, some members of the fanbase feel that Yzak Joule crossed this when he [[spoiler:shot down that shuttle]]. Even taking what he thought was going on into account, he still believed he was firing on fleeing soldiers, a less than admirable act. This is possibly the reason why in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' 3, that scene was modified and the civilian shuttle was shot down by random ZAFT pilots, rather than Yzak.

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** Depending on who you ask, some members of the fanbase feel that Yzak Joule crossed this when he [[spoiler:shot down that shuttle]]. Even taking what he thought was going on into account, he still believed he was firing on fleeing soldiers, a less than admirable act. This is possibly the reason why in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' 3, that scene was modified and the civilian shuttle was shot down by random ZAFT pilots, rather than Yzak. As well as [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone even him seeing it as such]] by the time ''Destiny'' happens.
31st Jul '17 8:41:58 PM AaronHong
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** One of the earliest casualties is a ship called the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamOO Ptolemaios.]]

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** One of the earliest casualties is a ship called the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamOO [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ptolemaios.]]
31st Jul '17 8:06:13 PM AaronHong
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** One of the earliest casualties is a ship called the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamOO Ptolemaios.]]
22nd Jun '17 5:53:09 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Remastered version is by and large the same, but there are small touch-ups and additions of scenes here and there. One notable instance is in episode 36 which adds a shot of [[CallForward Shinn and his family]] trying to flee the fighting. Probably the bigger change is in the ending themes: the first ending theme was remade and sounds somewhat different, while the original 2nd ending theme "River" by Tatsuya Ishii is omitted entirely and replaced with a new song by [[Music/YukiKajiura FictionJunction]]. Predictably, some fans of the original run have reacted much in the same vein as "Han shot first."

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Remastered version is by and large the same, but there are small touch-ups and additions of scenes here and there. One notable instance is in episode 36 which adds a shot of [[CallForward Shinn and his family]] trying to flee the fighting. Probably the bigger change is in the ending themes: the first ending theme was remade and sounds somewhat different, while the original 2nd ending theme "River" by Tatsuya Ishii is omitted entirely and replaced with a new song by [[Music/YukiKajiura FictionJunction]]. Predictably, some fans of the original run have reacted much in the same vein as "Han shot first."" And that's not even getting into the BrokenBase above.
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