History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamSEED

21st Oct '16 8:59:27 PM dlchen145
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* EvilIsCool: As the show's resident CharClone and MalevolentMaskedMan, everyone knew Le Creuset was going to be cool. Then the reveal comes in, and he turns out to be not only an AcePilot and a total {{Badass}}, but an impossible combination of Char, [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] and [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]. Muruta Azrael also gets this treatment, both from fangirls who [[DracoInLeatherPants give him leather pants]], and others who find that his enthusiasm, [[LaughablyEvil dark sense of humour]], and status as a CompleteMonster with {{A|ttentionDeficitOohShiny}}DHD make him a lot of fun to watch.

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* EvilIsCool: As the show's resident CharClone and MalevolentMaskedMan, everyone knew Le Creuset was going to be cool. Then the reveal comes in, and he turns out to be not only an AcePilot and a total {{Badass}}, badass, but an impossible combination of Char, [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] and [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]. Muruta Azrael also gets this treatment, both from fangirls who [[DracoInLeatherPants give him leather pants]], and others who find that his enthusiasm, [[LaughablyEvil dark sense of humour]], and status as a CompleteMonster with {{A|ttentionDeficitOohShiny}}DHD make him a lot of fun to watch.



* LoveToHate: Rau Le Creuset, who is incredibly popular due to his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], {{badass}}ery, and [[BreakThemByTalking ability to give a speech]].

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* LoveToHate: Rau Le Creuset, who is incredibly popular due to his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], {{badass}}ery, badassery, and [[BreakThemByTalking ability to give a speech]].
14th Aug '16 7:06:13 AM JudasZala
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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone. Her turning out to have a large political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin even though such role is preferred over an idol. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Peacecroft-esque alternative political figure works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle.

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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone. Her turning out to have a large political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin even though such role is preferred over an idol. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Peacecroft-esque Relena Peacecraft-esque alternative political figure works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle.



** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.

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** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust Rusty Mackenzie is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.
7th Aug '16 10:38:53 AM porkyThegrumpiest
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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists terrorist organization]] [[MugglePower Blue Cosmos]], wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people created via genetic engineering) by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He believes entirely that his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred to as the Extended), while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.

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* CompleteMonster: {{The sociopath}}ic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-like]] leader of the [[WesternTerrorists anti-Coordinator terrorist organization]] group]] [[MugglePower Blue Cosmos]], wants to [[FinalSolution kill all]] [[GattacaBabies Coordinators]] (people created via genetic engineering) by [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction any means necessary]] and takes [[LaughingMad unholy delight]] in their wholesale slaughter, making [[BigBad Rau]] [[OmnicidalManiac Le Creuset]] seem [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] . He's also [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]], [[ManChild childish]], {{smug|Snake}}, arrogant, condescending, and [[PsychopathicManchild enthusiastically psychotic]]. He believes entirely that his subordinates [[WeHaveReserves are expendable]] and willingly sacrifices millions of them just to see all the Coordinators [[NukeEm burn]]. A SoreLoser and a raging {{hypocrite}} who uses [[PsychoSerum drugs]] and brainwashing to turn children into {{Tykebomb}} {{Super Soldier}}s (referred to as the Extended), while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin (it's heavily implied that this is a case of DrivenByEnvy), Azrael is also TheManBehindTheMan to both the [[{{Eagleland}} Atlantic Federation]] and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt with his FantasticRacism, and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are coopted or destroyed. Having started the war by launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland, Azrael hopes to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill end it the same way]], and is willing to blow up his own men to do it. His [[FreudianExcuse sole motivation]] is that he was [[EvilIsPetty bullied by Coordinators]] [[DisproportionateRetribution when he was a kid]]. ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'''s sidestory, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer'' adds some further atrocities to Azrael's name, showing that he regularly [[WouldHurtAChild took children from their parents]], put them through TrainingFromHell and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed them]] with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat, without the [[PsychoSerum drug problems]] of the Extended. Other villains might kill more people, but when it comes to the spreading of sheer human misery, no other villain in the ''CE'' verse can hold a candle to Azrael.
24th Jul '16 3:56:15 AM Anddrix
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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* BaseBreaker:

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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter:



* TheScrappy: Flay Allster, [[BaseBreaker for those who don't see her as a]] JerkassWoobie. Her manipulation of Kira combined with her blaming him for her father's death, her racism, her bitchy personality, her treatment of Sai, and her general uselessness make her a pretty difficult person to like.

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* TheScrappy: Flay Allster, [[BaseBreaker [[BaseBreakingCharacter for those who don't see her as a]] JerkassWoobie. Her manipulation of Kira combined with her blaming him for her father's death, her racism, her bitchy personality, her treatment of Sai, and her general uselessness make her a pretty difficult person to like.
18th Jul '16 5:38:51 PM Gundamforce
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* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a planned movie to wrap up the saga is in DevelopmentHell, making creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. Nowadays, the Gundam fanbase have a rather divided opinions toward ''SEED''.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a combination of [[TroubledProduction production troubles]] involving Destiny combined with a planned movie to wrap up the saga is ending up in DevelopmentHell, making made creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. Nowadays, the Gundam fanbase have a rather divided opinions toward ''SEED''.''SEED'' tend to be rather divided.
2nd Jul '16 7:06:42 PM flamemario12
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%%** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.

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%%** ** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.
2nd Jul '16 6:47:13 AM flamemario12
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* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a planned movie to wrap up the saga is in DevelopmentHell, making creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a planned movie to wrap up the saga is in DevelopmentHell, making creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. Nowadays, the Gundam fanbase have a rather divided opinions toward ''SEED''.



%%** [[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.

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%%** Despite his SacrificialLamb status and being TheFaceless, Rust is surprisingly popular among the fanbase.[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.



** [[AntiVillain Nicol]] and [[SociopathicSoldier Yzak]] arguably count as well (making all of Zala team besides Athrun an example of this trope), with the former liked for his NiceGuy tendencies and the latter for his [[HairTriggerTemper entertainingly vitriolic personality]] and banter with Dearka. That said, both characters have their detractors, particularly Yzak for his [[JerkAss Jerkassery]] and [[spoiler: destroying a civilian shuttle early in the show]].



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Tons of viewers thought Nicol was a girl based on his looks, voice, and gentle mannerisms.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Tons of Several viewers thought Nicol was a girl based on his looks, voice, and gentle mannerisms.
2nd Jul '16 6:38:08 AM flamemario12
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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker bordering on TheScrappy in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted in the HD Remaster when Nicol's death is retconned to make [[TheDogShotFirst Kira even less culpable]]. The end result was... [[BrokenBase mixed]].
** In the HD Remaster, [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death was retconned to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks, Kira counters, and the attacker is killed. In the remake, he attacks, Kira dodges, and the attack carries him into Kira's sword, which kills him. Here's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of TheDogShotFirst and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker bordering on TheScrappy in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted in the HD Remaster when Nicol's death is retconned to make [[TheDogShotFirst Kira even less culpable]]. The end result was... [[BrokenBase mixed]].
** In the HD Remaster, [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death was retconned to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks, Kira counters, and the attacker is killed. In the remake, he attacks, Kira dodges, and the attack carries him into Kira's sword, which kills him. Here's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of TheDogShotFirst and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.
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** Flay is a polarizing character. She spends much of the first half of the show being a manipulative FillieFatale for a sympathetic-but-unjustified reason, and later attempts to make up for it. Either she was a JerkassWoobie who redeemed herself in the end, or a selfish asshole too wrapped up in her own problems to empathize with anyone else and her later actions were too little too late.

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** Flay is a polarizing character. She spends much of the first half of the show being a manipulative FillieFatale for a sympathetic-but-unjustified reason, and later attempts to make up for it. Either she was a JerkassWoobie who redeemed herself in the end, or a selfish asshole too wrapped up in her own problems to empathize with anyone else and her later actions were too little too late.



* BrokenBase: In the HD Remaster, [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death was retconned to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks, Kira counters, and the attacker is killed. In the remake, he attacks, Kira dodges, and the attack carries him into Kira's sword, which kills him. Here's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of TheDogShotFirst and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.



* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a planned movie to wrap up the saga is in DevelopmentHell, making creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. Today, if you ask Gundam fans of their opinion of Seed, you will get plenty of contrasting responses, and you certainly won’t find many fans of Destiny.
** Though the new HD remastered version of Seed that recently came out ''may'' have changed that.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Seed's success spawned a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny sequel]] and a [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamSEEDAstray manga spinoff series]], and even started talks that the CE timeline could become the new UC. However, a planned movie to wrap up the saga is in DevelopmentHell, making creators and fans give up on the saga and move on to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. Today, if you ask Gundam fans of their opinion of Seed, you will get plenty of contrasting responses, and you certainly won’t find many fans of Destiny.
** Though the new HD remastered version of Seed that recently came out ''may'' have changed that.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Although being TheFaceless, TheVoiceless, and a bigger SacrificialLamb than everyone else put in the series together, Rusty Mackenzie has a bigger fandom than you'd expect. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Although being TheFaceless, TheVoiceless, and a bigger SacrificialLamb than everyone else put in the series together, Rusty Mackenzie has a bigger fandom than you'd expect. EnsembleDarkhorse:
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[[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] have helped a lot, revealing him to be a friendly guy who was the only Redshirt of the Le Creuset team who didn't have a parent on the PLANT ruling council.



*** [[AntiVillain Nicol]] and [[SociopathicSoldier Yzak]] arguably count as well (making all of Zala team besides Athrun an example of this trope), with the former liked for his NiceGuy tendencies and the latter for his [[HairTriggerTemper entertainingly vitriolic personality]] and banter with Dearka. That said, both characters have their detractors, particularly Yzak for his [[JerkAss Jerkassery]] and [[spoiler: destroying a civilian shuttle early in the show]].

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*** ** [[AntiVillain Nicol]] and [[SociopathicSoldier Yzak]] arguably count as well (making all of Zala team besides Athrun an example of this trope), with the former liked for his NiceGuy tendencies and the latter for his [[HairTriggerTemper entertainingly vitriolic personality]] and banter with Dearka. That said, both characters have their detractors, particularly Yzak for his [[JerkAss Jerkassery]] and [[spoiler: destroying a civilian shuttle early in the show]].



* HilariousInHindsight: Fllay hating the genetically-modified Coordinators. Her [[TabithaStGermain English voice actress]] goes on to voice the genetically engineered super-soldier [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Soma Peries]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Fllay hating the genetically-modified Coordinators. Her [[TabithaStGermain English voice actress]] goes on to voice the genetically engineered super-soldier [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Soma Peries]].



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Tons of viewers thought Nicol was a girl based on his looks, voice, and gentle mannerisms. If Youtube comments are any indication, he's STILL being mistaken for a girl over 10 years after the series aired in the Remastered episodes.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Tons of viewers thought Nicol was a girl based on his looks, voice, and gentle mannerisms. If Youtube comments are any indication, he's STILL being mistaken for a girl over 10 years after the series aired in the Remastered episodes.
13th Jun '16 2:54:16 AM rafi
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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is not as popular in the west as she is in the east. In Japan, she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is not as popular a BaseBreaker bordering on TheScrappy in the west as she is west. Not so much in the east. In Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences.audiences, but things ended up reversed.


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* BaseBreaker:
** Flay is a polarizing character. She spends much of the first half of the show being a manipulative FillieFatale for a sympathetic-but-unjustified reason, and later attempts to make up for it. Either she was a JerkassWoobie who redeemed herself in the end, or a selfish asshole too wrapped up in her own problems to empathize with anyone else and her later actions were too little too late.
** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone. Her turning out to have a large political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin even though such role is preferred over an idol. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Peacecroft-esque alternative political figure works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle.
** Kira himself. For everyone who hates the "Jesus Yamato" angle and finds it makes him overbearing and boring, there's someone who finds him awesome and likes that at least ''one'' Gundam protagonist is willing to actually stop killing people instead of doing it and then endlessly {{Wangst}}ing about it.
8th Jun '16 10:28:10 AM VyHuynh123
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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker bordering on TheScrappy in the west. Not so much in Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Flay is a BaseBreaker bordering on TheScrappy not as popular in the west. Not so much west as she is in the east. In Japan, where she's generally well-liked. Which is ironic since the director had actually thought she'd be the type of character to appeal to Western audiences, but things ended up reversed.audiences.



* BrokenBase: It is a Gundam AU series, after all.
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