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23rd Jul '16 12:20:17 PM Awesomekid42
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* CompleteMonster: The manga version of [[TheSocialDarwinist Halloween]] is one of the most {{sadist}}ic and brutal members of the Chess Pieces. [[FromNobodyToNightmare Originally a homeless and bullied boy]] by the name of Pamp, he had a firm belief that the weak become sacrifices for the strong, [[AmbitionIsEvil and promised to become strong so he could kill everybody in the village]]. He started off by [[KickTheDog killing neighborhood]] pets before going on to stab five kids to death and fleeing the village. During the first War Games, [[SoreLoser because he and Alan tied]], [[EvilIsPetty he cursed Alan and Edward to be forcibly merged together out of spite]]. Six years later when Phantom resurrects, Halloween and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Chimera]] launch an attack on the country of Acalupa, destroying it and wiping out the majority of its population, recounting to Ian how fun it was. To punish Ian for not taking part in the attack on Märhaven, Halloween has Chimera transorm Ian's best friend, Gido, [[BalefulPolymorph into a grotesque mixture of human and monster]], knowing it would cause more pain to Ian if his best friend was punished instead. During his fight against Alan in the second War Games, [[CombatPragmatist Halloween distracts Alan by setting several innocent spectators on fire]] while telling Alan how sickened he is by Alan's sense of protecting those in need.

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* CompleteMonster: The manga version of [[TheSocialDarwinist Halloween]] is one of the most {{sadist}}ic and brutal members of the Chess Pieces. [[FromNobodyToNightmare Originally a homeless and bullied boy]] by the name of Pamp, he had a firm belief that the weak become sacrifices for the strong, [[AmbitionIsEvil and promised to become strong so he could kill everybody in the village]]. He started off by [[KickTheDog killing neighborhood]] pets neighborhood pets]] before going on to stab five kids to death and fleeing the village. During the first War Games, [[SoreLoser because he and Alan tied]], [[EvilIsPetty he cursed Alan and Edward to be forcibly merged together out of spite]]. Six years later when Phantom resurrects, Halloween and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Chimera]] Chimera launch an attack on the country of Acalupa, destroying it and wiping out the majority of its population, recounting to Ian how fun it was. To punish Ian for not taking part in the attack on Märhaven, Halloween has Chimera transorm Ian's best friend, Gido, [[BalefulPolymorph into a grotesque mixture of human and monster]], knowing it would cause more pain to Ian if his best friend was punished instead. During his fight against Alan in the second War Games, [[CombatPragmatist Halloween distracts Alan by setting several innocent spectators on fire]] while telling Alan how sickened he is by Alan's sense of protecting those in need.
21st Jul '16 7:01:01 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: The manga version of [[TheSocialDarwinist Halloween]] is one of the most {{sadist}}ic and brutal members of the Chess Pieces. [[FromNobodyToNightmare Originally a homeless and bullied boy]] by the name of Pamp, he had a firm belief that the weak become sacrifices for the strong, [[AmbitionIsEvil and promised to become strong so he could kill everybody in the village]]. He started off by [[KickTheDog killing neighborhood]] pets before going on to stab five kids to death and fleeing the village. During the first war games, because he and Alan tied, [[EvilIsPetty he cursed Alan and Edward to be forcibly merged together out of spite]]. Six years later when Phantom resurrects, Halloween and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Chimera]] launch an attack on the country of Acalupa, destroying it and wiping out the majority of its population, recounting to Ian how fun it was. To punish Ian for not taking part in the attack on Märhaven, Halloween has Chimera transorm Ian's best friend, Gido, [[BalefulPolymorph into a grotesque mixture of human and monster]], knowing it would cause more pain to Ian if his best friend was punished instead. During his fight against Alan in the second War Games, [[CombatPragmatist Halloween distracts Alan by setting several innocent spectators on fire]] while telling Alan how sickened he is by Alan's sense of protecting those in need.

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* CompleteMonster: The manga version of [[TheSocialDarwinist Halloween]] is one of the most {{sadist}}ic and brutal members of the Chess Pieces. [[FromNobodyToNightmare Originally a homeless and bullied boy]] by the name of Pamp, he had a firm belief that the weak become sacrifices for the strong, [[AmbitionIsEvil and promised to become strong so he could kill everybody in the village]]. He started off by [[KickTheDog killing neighborhood]] pets before going on to stab five kids to death and fleeing the village. During the first war games, War Games, [[SoreLoser because he and Alan tied, tied]], [[EvilIsPetty he cursed Alan and Edward to be forcibly merged together out of spite]]. Six years later when Phantom resurrects, Halloween and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Chimera]] launch an attack on the country of Acalupa, destroying it and wiping out the majority of its population, recounting to Ian how fun it was. To punish Ian for not taking part in the attack on Märhaven, Halloween has Chimera transorm Ian's best friend, Gido, [[BalefulPolymorph into a grotesque mixture of human and monster]], knowing it would cause more pain to Ian if his best friend was punished instead. During his fight against Alan in the second War Games, [[CombatPragmatist Halloween distracts Alan by setting several innocent spectators on fire]] while telling Alan how sickened he is by Alan's sense of protecting those in need.
21st Jul '16 6:44:35 AM ACW
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*CompleteMonster: The manga version of [[TheSocialDarwinist Halloween]] is one of the most {{sadist}}ic and brutal members of the Chess Pieces. [[FromNobodyToNightmare Originally a homeless and bullied boy]] by the name of Pamp, he had a firm belief that the weak become sacrifices for the strong, [[AmbitionIsEvil and promised to become strong so he could kill everybody in the village]]. He started off by [[KickTheDog killing neighborhood]] pets before going on to stab five kids to death and fleeing the village. During the first war games, because he and Alan tied, [[EvilIsPetty he cursed Alan and Edward to be forcibly merged together out of spite]]. Six years later when Phantom resurrects, Halloween and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Chimera]] launch an attack on the country of Acalupa, destroying it and wiping out the majority of its population, recounting to Ian how fun it was. To punish Ian for not taking part in the attack on Märhaven, Halloween has Chimera transorm Ian's best friend, Gido, [[BalefulPolymorph into a grotesque mixture of human and monster]], knowing it would cause more pain to Ian if his best friend was punished instead. During his fight against Alan in the second War Games, [[CombatPragmatist Halloween distracts Alan by setting several innocent spectators on fire]] while telling Alan how sickened he is by Alan's sense of protecting those in need.
18th May '16 11:03:59 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The series started out as a perfectly respectable adventure series, and was setting up for an epic journey across the country. Then the next episode cuts to them already at their destination and the majority of the series is spent on a fighting tournament. This wouldn't be so bad if the battles weren't such a step down from those of FlameOfRecca. Fortunately, the anime fixes some of these things by adding filler arcs that don't have to do with the tournament and the aftermath which included the Ghost Chest arc and the final arc which had a much more satisfying ending than the original manga.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The series started out as a perfectly respectable adventure series, and was setting up for an epic journey across the country. Then the next episode cuts to them already at their destination and the majority of the series is spent on a fighting tournament. This wouldn't be so bad if the battles weren't such a step down from those of FlameOfRecca.Manga/FlameOfRecca. Fortunately, the anime fixes some of these things by adding filler arcs that don't have to do with the tournament and the aftermath which included the Ghost Chest arc and the final arc which had a much more satisfying ending than the original manga.
8th Feb '16 8:19:18 AM Cakeman
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* King mass murdering several chess pieces, such as Pano's father and brother.
7th Dec '14 3:51:43 PM Angeldeb82
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* AngstWhatAngst - Rather than complain about their problems, characters on both sides use their angst as motivation to beat the crap out of their opponents.

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* AngstWhatAngst - AngstWhatAngst: Rather than complain about their problems, characters on both sides use their angst as motivation to beat the crap out of their opponents.



* Moe: Snow/Koyuki can be this at times, but there's also Aqua and Loco.

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* Moe: {{Moe}}: Snow/Koyuki can be this at times, but there's also Aqua and Loco.
7th Dec '14 3:51:12 PM Angeldeb82
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* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Snow]]: While Snow is shown in the MAR manga to be listed as the top 10 most popular character in the franchise based on Japan, if you were to go on any forum, the reaction is the exact opposite of people stating their complaints of her being a {{Damsel Scrappy}} or her getting in the way of someone else for Ginta.

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* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Snow]]: While Snow is shown in the MAR manga to be listed as the top 10 most popular character in the franchise based on Japan, if you were to go on any forum, the reaction is the exact opposite of people stating their complaints of her being a {{Damsel Scrappy}} DamselScrappy or her getting in the way of someone else for Ginta.



* ArcFatigue: Pretty much everything after the sixth round. The show starts adding more and more filler and padding which prolongs both the monotonous TournamentArc as well as Snow's rescue. Compared to the manga where she was only gone a volume and a half, she's missing 26 episodes here. It's mildly annoying watching it now, but imagine watching the show as it was airing. That's half of year of mostly filler. And then there's the Ghost Chess arc, which is loved by YaoiFangirls and people who wanted a better resolution to Phantom's character arc (that was anti-climatic in the manga) but disliked by others. The last 7 episodes are generally considered to end the series on a high note, though.
* {{Base Breaker}}: Snow is a very divisive character to say the least. There are many who see her as a scrappy for getting in the way of Ginta and whoever they ship him with and for getting captured on screen at least twice (four times in the anime), but she does have her fans.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The English anime's OP.

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* ArcFatigue: Pretty much everything after the sixth round. The show starts adding more and more filler and padding which prolongs both the monotonous TournamentArc as well as Snow's rescue. Compared to the manga where she was only gone a volume and a half, she's missing 26 episodes here. It's mildly annoying watching it now, but imagine watching the show as it was airing. That's half of year of mostly filler. And then there's the Ghost Chess arc, which is loved by YaoiFangirls and people who wanted a better resolution to Phantom's character arc (that was anti-climatic in the manga) but disliked by others. The last 7 episodes are generally considered to end the series on a high note, though.
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* {{Base Breaker}}: Snow is a very divisive character to say the least. There are many who see her as a scrappy for getting in the way of Ginta and whoever they ship him with and for getting captured on screen at least twice (four times in the anime), but she does have her fans.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The English anime's OP.



* {{Die for Our Ship}}: Snow is the main victim of this whenever the pairing concerns Ginta with someone else.
* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: Phantom and for [[{{Bishounen}} very]] [[YaoiGuys good]] [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds reasons.]]
* {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}: Alviss is by far the most popular character in the series given that almost all artwork and fanart is mainly about him. It's even lampshaded in the series by Edward and Belle.
* FanonDiscontinuity - Most MAR fans, do not acknowledge MAR Omega as part of the canon-or a sequel. Mostly because, it was done by a completely differently mangaka, Ginta isn't even the main character, and the original main team characters are now basically support cast-or background characters.

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* {{Die for Our Ship}}: BaseBreaker: Snow is a very divisive character to say the main victim of this whenever least. There are many who see her as a scrappy for getting in the pairing concerns way of Ginta and whoever they ship him with someone else.and for getting captured on screen at least twice (four times in the anime), but she does have her fans.
* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: Phantom DieForOurShip: Snow is the main victim of this whenever the pairing concerns Ginta with someone else.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Phantom,
and for [[{{Bishounen}} [[{{Bishonen}} very]] [[YaoiGuys good]] [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds reasons.]]
reasons]].
* {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}: EnsembleDarkhorse: Alviss is by far the most popular character in the series given that almost all artwork and fanart is mainly about him. It's even lampshaded in the series by Edward and Belle.
* FanonDiscontinuity - FanonDiscontinuity: Most MAR fans, do not acknowledge MAR Omega as part of the canon-or a sequel. Mostly because, it was done by a completely differently mangaka, Ginta isn't even the main character, and the original main team characters are now basically support cast-or background characters.



* {{Fan Preferred Couple}}: Nanashi/Dorothy is largely supported in the fandom due to their {{Belligerent Sexual Tension}} that they have.

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* {{Fan Preferred Couple}}: FanPreferredCouple: Nanashi/Dorothy is largely supported in the fandom due to their {{Belligerent Sexual Tension}} BelligerentSexualTension that they have.



** On the {{Ho Yay}}/{{Foe Yay}} side, you have Ginta/Alviss, Phantom/Alviss and Rolan/Alviss with the first two being nearly tied.
* {{Ho Yay}}: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MAR Has its own page.]]

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** On the {{Ho Yay}}/{{Foe Yay}} HoYay[=/=]FoeYay side, you have Ginta/Alviss, Phantom/Alviss and Rolan/Alviss with the first two being nearly tied.
* {{Ho Yay}}: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MAR HoYay: [[HoYay/{{MAR}} Has its own page.]]



* MoralEventHorizon - Halloween killing the bystanders, Peta killing the Luberian Thief Guild, [[spoiler: Chimera turning Gido into a TorturedMonster]], and [[spoiler: Galian betraying the Thief Guild to Peta]].

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* MoralEventHorizon - MoralEventHorizon: Halloween killing the bystanders, Peta killing the Luberian Thief Guild, [[spoiler: Chimera turning Gido into a TorturedMonster]], and [[spoiler: Galian betraying the Thief Guild to Peta]].



* NightmareFuel - You've gotta admit, there are some scary things in this series. For example, the character Chimera, whom, upon having [[spoiler:her]] mask broken off, [[spoiler:she]] is shown to have [[spoiler:a mass of multiple eyes on the right side of her face]]. Also, Pinocchion, just Pinocchion.
* NoYay - Kolekkio/Jack scene during episode 33. Also a CrowningMomentOfFunny.
* {{The Scrappy}}: People who watch the series tend to dislike Snow greatly whether itís for [[DieforOurShip shipping reasons]] or because [[DistressedDamsel she often needs to be rescued.]]
** Also Edward and Belle are annoying, clingy mascots. Edward is only there to be a handicap for Alan before the curse was undone and once that happened, Edward had no character of his own. Belle in comparison reminds too many people of a certain fairy from a [[LegendofZeldaOcarinaofTime certain video game]] due to her annoying voice.
* TheUntwist: Quite a few "plot twists" in this series are fairly obvious if your GenreSavvy, mainly because the foreshadowing is a little too thick. Some of these include, [[spoiler: Ginta's dad being Danna, obvious because his father had gone missing six years ago... exactly when the last War Game happened. Koyuki and Snow being connected in some way, granted the exact nature of the connection differs between the manga and anime but nobody is pretending that the fact they were connected was in any way some kind of surprise. The Queen being Diana, and Diana being Dorothy's sister... I mean just look at her! They looked too similar for the revelation of them being related to be a surprise. The only plot twists that aren't untwists are ones that border on ShockingSwerve, such as Babbo being the spirit of the previous Caldean Elder... because nothing hinted at that earlier.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot - The series started out as a perfectly respectable adventure series, and was setting up for an epic journey across the country. Then the next episode cuts to them already at their destination and the majority of the series is spent on a fighting tournament. This wouldn't be so bad if the battles weren't such a step down from those of FlameOfRecca. Fortunately, the anime fixes some of these things by adding filler arcs that don't have to do with the tournament and the aftermath which included the Ghost Chest arc and the final arc which had a much more satisfying ending than the original manga.
** While the ending being superior is a majority opinion to be sure, there are those who'd argue the filler detracted from the show more than it added. It could just be that it was rather misplaced as well. [[RescueArc RescueArcs]] and [[TournamentArc Tournament Arcs]] are the two things you DON'T want to prolong.
** Also Babbo being Phantom's former weapon, we could have gotten scenes where [[SuperPoweredEvilSide Babbo switches back and forth betweeen his current gentleman self and the psychotic past alter ego.]]

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* NightmareFuel - NightmareFuel: You've gotta admit, there are some scary things in this series. For example, the character Chimera, whom, upon having [[spoiler:her]] mask broken off, [[spoiler:she]] is shown to have [[spoiler:a mass of multiple eyes on the right side of her face]]. Also, Pinocchion, just Pinocchion.
* NoYay - NoYay: Kolekkio/Jack scene during episode 33. Also a CrowningMomentOfFunny.
SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}.
* {{The Scrappy}}: TheScrappy: People who watch the series tend to dislike Snow greatly whether itís for [[DieforOurShip shipping reasons]] or because [[DistressedDamsel [[DamselInDistress she often needs to be rescued.]]
rescued]].
** Also Edward and Belle are annoying, clingy mascots. Edward is only there to be a handicap for Alan before the curse was undone and once that happened, Edward had no character of his own. Belle in comparison reminds too many people of a certain fairy from a [[LegendofZeldaOcarinaofTime [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime certain video game]] due to her annoying voice.
* TheUntwist: Quite a few "plot twists" in this series are fairly obvious if your GenreSavvy, mainly because the foreshadowing is a little too thick. Some of these include, [[spoiler: Ginta's dad being Danna, obvious because his father had gone missing six years ago... exactly when the last War Game happened. Koyuki and Snow being connected in some way, granted the exact nature of the connection differs between the manga and anime but nobody is pretending that the fact they were connected was in any way some kind of surprise. The Queen being Diana, and Diana being Dorothy's sister... I mean just look at her! They looked too similar for the revelation of them being related to be a surprise. The only plot twists that aren't untwists are ones that border on ShockingSwerve, such as Babbo being the spirit of the previous Caldean Elder... because nothing hinted at that earlier.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot -
TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The series started out as a perfectly respectable adventure series, and was setting up for an epic journey across the country. Then the next episode cuts to them already at their destination and the majority of the series is spent on a fighting tournament. This wouldn't be so bad if the battles weren't such a step down from those of FlameOfRecca. Fortunately, the anime fixes some of these things by adding filler arcs that don't have to do with the tournament and the aftermath which included the Ghost Chest arc and the final arc which had a much more satisfying ending than the original manga.
** While the ending being superior is a majority opinion to be sure, there are those who'd argue the filler detracted from the show more than it added. It could just be that it was rather misplaced as well. [[RescueArc RescueArcs]] {{Rescue Arc}}s and [[TournamentArc Tournament Arcs]] {{Tournament Arc}}s are the two things you DON'T want to prolong.
** Also Babbo being Phantom's former weapon, we could have gotten scenes where [[SuperPoweredEvilSide Babbo switches back and forth betweeen between his current gentleman self and the psychotic past alter ego.]]



* TooCoolToLive : Played with both Alan and [[spoiler: Danna]], the former is much stronger than the main cast, but a flaw in order to not make him too cool and [[spoiler: the latter was possessed by the BigBad, only to be revived at the end of the series]], Chimera plays this straight though, only losing because Dorothy is [[ManipulativeBitch too witty about disrupting her concentration]]

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* TooCoolToLive : TooCoolToLive: Played with both Alan and [[spoiler: Danna]], the former is much stronger than the main cast, but a flaw in order to not make him too cool and [[spoiler: the latter was possessed by the BigBad, only to be revived at the end of the series]], Chimera plays this straight though, only losing because Dorothy is [[ManipulativeBitch [[ManipulativeBastard too witty about disrupting her concentration]]concentration]].
* TheUntwist: Quite a few "plot twists" in this series are fairly obvious if you're GenreSavvy, mainly because the foreshadowing is a little too thick. Some of these include [[spoiler: Ginta's dad being Danna, obvious because his father had gone missing six years ago... exactly when the last War Game happened. Koyuki and Snow being connected in some way, granted the exact nature of the connection differs between the manga and anime but nobody is pretending that the fact they were connected was in any way some kind of surprise. The Queen being Diana, and Diana being Dorothy's sister... I mean just look at her! They looked too similar for the revelation of them being related to be a surprise. The only plot twists that aren't untwists are ones that border on ShockingSwerve, such as Babbo being the spirit of the previous Caldean Elder... because nothing hinted at that earlier]].
29th Sep '14 2:23:21 AM AkiraxAtsukifan
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** Basically, disregarding OCs and self-inserts, the most popular ships seem to be GintaXAlviss, GintaXPhantom, AlvissXPhantom, or some combination thereof, though some might argue the Yaoi fans are an extremely vocal minority. As far as heterosexual pairings go, Ginta is almost exclusively shipped with Snow, and Dorothy is near-universally paired with Nanashi. Jack is either left alone or paired with Pano, or rare cases with Snow. Alviss is... Unsurprisingly almost never paired heterosexually, but in the rare instance he is, it's usually Belle.
29th Sep '14 2:19:30 AM AkiraxAtsukifan
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* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Snow]]: While Snow is shown in the MAR manga to be listed as the top 10 most popular character in the franchise based on Japan, if you were to go on any forum, the reaction is the exact opposite of people stating their complaints of her being a {{Damsel Scrappy}} or her getting in the way of someone else for Ginta.



* {{Base Breaker}}: Snow is a very divisive character to say the least. There are many who see her as a scrappy for getting in the way of Ginta and whoever they ship him with and for getting captured on screen at least twice (four times in the anime), but she does have her fans. Notably, she always ranked fairly high in the manga's character polls, always in the Top 10, frequently in the Top 5.

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* {{Base Breaker}}: Snow is a very divisive character to say the least. There are many who see her as a scrappy for getting in the way of Ginta and whoever they ship him with and for getting captured on screen at least twice (four times in the anime), but she does have her fans. Notably, she always ranked fairly high in the manga's character polls, always in the Top 10, frequently in the Top 5.
9th Aug '14 11:13:21 PM AkiraxAtsukifan
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** This was the unfortunate side effect of attracting so many Yaoi fangirls. It should be noted that finding a non-yaoi fan that hates Snow is quite difficult.
** Also Edward and Belle are annoying, clingy mascots.

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** This was the unfortunate side effect of attracting so many Yaoi fangirls. It should be noted that finding a non-yaoi fan that hates Snow is quite difficult.
** Also Edward and Belle are annoying, clingy mascots. Edward is only there to be a handicap for Alan before the curse was undone and once that happened, Edward had no character of his own. Belle in comparison reminds too many people of a certain fairy from a [[LegendofZeldaOcarinaofTime certain video game]] due to her annoying voice.
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