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* [[Anvilicious]]: The book goes about preaching its message with the subtlety of a Rhino in heat.
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Even if true, creepy.


* FanficFuel: None of the boys' pasts is revealed in the book, nor is their fate after the island. And all those little boys running around leaves room for SlashFic writers to go crazy...not that this troper agrees with that.

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* FanficFuel: None of the boys' pasts is revealed in the book, nor is their fate after the island. And all those little boys running around leaves room for SlashFic writers to go crazy...not that this troper agrees with that.
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** Jack's hardly better

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** Jack's hardly betterbetter, although at least in his case one could potentially excuse his behaviour as being a combination of his strong personality and a childish lack of empathy - Jack is never described as actively enjoying sadism. Roger, on the other hand, is heavily implied to be a sociopath.
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I thought it was made clear that the plane was british kids being evacuated to Argentina because of WWII.


* FridgeHorror: Perhaps more Fridge Melancholy, but at the end, [[spoiler:when they are saved by the Navy officer, it's an indication that some world war is taking place. So even when the children return, they have to return having suffered enough and now they'd be in the midst of another war.]]
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*FanficFuel: None of the boys' pasts is revealed in the book, nor is their fate after the island. And all those little boys running around leaves room for SlashFic writers to go crazy...not that this troper agrees with that.
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*** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LOTF wanted to "do" Simon in the way that most of us think the language suggests).

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*** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LOTF wanted to "do" Simon in the way that most of us think the language suggests).may suggest).
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*** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LOTF wanted to "do" Simon in the way that most of us think the language suggests).
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**Jack's hardly better
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* FridgeHorror: Perhaps more Fridge Melancholy, but at the end, [[spoiler:when they are saved by the Navy officer, it's an indication that some world war is taking place. So even when the children return, they have to return having suffered enough and now they'd be in the midst of another war.]]

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time.
** Some have read it as a slightly friendlier {{Aesop}} against the racial stereotypes of the era, showing that under the wrong circumstances even British schoolboys fall into savagery just as easily as any "inferior" cultures.
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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow, or even worse, [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end]].

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow, or even worse, [[spoiler:kill [[spoiler:''kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end]].end'']].
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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow, or even worse, [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end]].

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' head and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow, or even worse, [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end]].
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Moving YMMV terms back where they belong.

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* FreudWasRight: Spearing a mother pig. Oh, so much.
** The spearing in question is [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything described much like how a rape would be described]].


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* MagnumOpus: It's Golding's best-known work by far.
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This isn\'t a subjective trope. Moving this to the main section.


* [[spoiler:BittersweetEnding]]: The [[DeusExMachina timely arrival of the British Navy]] is considered the only thing standing in between this ending and a [[spoiler:DownerEnding]] though even with the arrival the ending is far too dark when [[spoiler:Ralph]] realized the evil inside him and he wept.
-->"[[spoiler:Ralph]] wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of the true, wise friend called [[spoiler:Piggy]]."
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. The author didn't include female characters, believing that women would have exerted a [[CloserToEarth civilizing influence]] and prevented the boys' society from collapsing. Given that the work is also a deconstruction and commentary on Boys Adventure stories, it's likely Golding chose not to include girls on the island because otherwise the story would be filled with RapeAsDrama (and Lord knows this book doesn't need to be any DarkerAndEdgier than it already is). This is confirmed via WordOfGod -- he believes that if there are girls on the island, order may have been maintained and that [[FreudWasRight it will all be about sex]].
* HoYay: Simon and Ralph. But then again with a book about a bunch of boys stranded on island for a period of time the HoYay is inevitable

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. The author didn't include female characters, believing that women would have exerted a [[CloserToEarth civilizing influence]] and prevented the boys' society from collapsing. Given that the work is also a deconstruction and commentary on Boys Adventure stories, it's likely Golding chose not to include girls on the island because otherwise the story would be filled with RapeAsDrama (and Lord knows this book doesn't need to be any DarkerAndEdgier than it already is). This is confirmed via WordOfGod -- he believes that if there are girls on the island, order may have been maintained and that [[FreudWasRight it will all be about sex]].
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* HoYay: Simon and Ralph. But then again again, with a book about a bunch of boys stranded on island for a period of time the time, HoYay is inevitable
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** Oddly enough, [[spoiler: the killing of a sow, with metaphors to make it sound like gang rape, is supposed to be the indication the horizon has been crossed, or was about to be crossed pretty soon]].

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** Oddly enough, [[spoiler: the killing of a sow, with metaphors to make it sound like gang rape, is supposed to be the first indication the horizon has been crossed, or was about to be crossed pretty soon]].
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** Oddly enough, [[spoiler: the killing of a sow, with metaphors to make it sound like gang rape, is supposed to be the indication the horizon has been crossed, or was about to be crossed pretty soon]].

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow.
** I always assumed that that meant they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end, but I suppose your way works too.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow.
** I always assumed that that meant they would
sow, or even worse, [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end, but I suppose your way works too.]]end]].
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Roger. Dear god, Roger. You have to wonder what force compels the boy to be as [[CompleteMonster ''unique'']] as he is. How will he be when he is older?
** The difference between Roger and the other boys in the choir, including Jack, is that the others weren't any worse than human nature (which is quite bad to begin with), but Roger was actually ''evil''. The stick sharpened at both ends. Killing [[spoiler:Piggy]]. [[FridgeHorror Now imagine what he could do if he weren't trapped on an island and had access to more than sticks and rocks.]] [[SarcasmMode Sweet dreams]]!
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** I always assumed that that meant they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph by shoving the stick through his mouth/ass and out the other end, but I suppose your way works too.]]
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** Let's not forget that, with no dialog, the Lord's big scene in the '60s movie becomes, essentially, Simon having a staring contest with the head.

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** Let's not forget that, with no dialog, the Lord's big scene in the '60s movie becomes, essentially, Simon having a staring contest StaringContest with the head.
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* [[spoiler:BittersweetEnding]]: The [[DeusExMachina timely arrival of the British Navy]] is considered the only thing standing in between this ending and a [[spoiler:DownerEnding]] though even with the arrival the ending is far too dark when [[spoiler:Ralph]] realized the evil inside him and he weeps.

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* [[spoiler:BittersweetEnding]]: The [[DeusExMachina timely arrival of the British Navy]] is considered the only thing standing in between this ending and a [[spoiler:DownerEnding]] though even with the arrival the ending is far too dark when [[spoiler:Ralph]] realized the evil inside him and he weeps.wept.
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* [[spoiler:BittersweetEnding]]: The [[DeusExMachina timely arrival of the British Navy]] is considered the only thing standing in between this ending and a [[spoiler:DownerEnding]] though even with the arrival the ending is far too dark when [[spoiler:Ralph]] realized the evil inside him and he weeps.
-->"[[spoiler:Ralph]] wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of the true, wise friend called [[spoiler:Piggy]]."
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. The author didn't include female characters, believing that women would have exerted a [[CloserToEarth civilizing influence]] and prevented the boys' society from collapsing. Given that the work is also a deconstruction and commentary on Boys Adventure stories, it's likely Golding chose not to include girls on the island because otherwise the story would be filled with RapeAsDrama. This is confirmed via WordOfGod -- he believes that if there are girls on the island, order may have been maintained and that it will all be about sex.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. The author didn't include female characters, believing that women would have exerted a [[CloserToEarth civilizing influence]] and prevented the boys' society from collapsing. Given that the work is also a deconstruction and commentary on Boys Adventure stories, it's likely Golding chose not to include girls on the island because otherwise the story would be filled with RapeAsDrama. RapeAsDrama (and Lord knows this book doesn't need to be any DarkerAndEdgier than it already is). This is confirmed via WordOfGod -- he believes that if there are girls on the island, order may have been maintained and that [[FreudWasRight it will all be about sex.sex]].

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow.



* MemeticMutation: "Sucks to your ass-mar."
* MoralEventHorizon: The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close to it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.



* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow.
* MoralEventHorizon: The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.

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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. TheWoobie:
** Simon. Oh God, Simon.
** Piggy.
He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying actually hates that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off nickname, but even Ralph insists on calling him that. ''We never learn his head'' actual name.'' Plus he's asthmatic, nearsighted, and put it on a stake'']], as they did with almost only valued because his glasses help create the sow.
* MoralEventHorizon: The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by
fire. While he may be a NonActionGuy, he (unlike Ralph) actually does DareToBeBadass and confronts Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.vicious tribe. [[spoiler:A pity it didn't save his life...]]
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** This troper's english teacher (!), suggested that Jack is jealous of Ralph's closeness with Piggy, which would be all well and good had she not followed up with "It's almost like he wants ralph to be his lover." And, well...he does come off a little like that at points.
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Trope was redefined for In Universe use only.


* AdaptationDecay: The second movie. Ten minutes in, and several curse words and sexual references afterwards, you can tell it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. The author didn't include female characters, believing that women would have exerted a [[CloserToEarth civilizing influence]] and prevented the boys' society from collapsing. Given that the work is also a deconstruction and commentary on Boys Adventure stories, it's likely Golding chose not to include girls on the island because otherwise the story would be filled with RapeAsDrama. This is confirmed via WordOfGod -- he believes that if there are girls on the island, order may have been maintained and that it will all be about sex.
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** This troper's english teacher (!), suggested that Jack is jealous of Ralph's closeness with Piggy, which would be all well and good had she not followed up with "It's almost like he wants ralph to be his lover." And, well...he does come off a little like that at points.
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* CompleteMonster: Roger. Early on he was tormenting the "littluns" for fun, throwing rocks at them. In the end, Roger pushed [[spoiler:Piggy]] to his death by rolling a massive boulder on him. He becomes Jack's self-appointed witchdoctor. And then there's the "stick sharpened at both ends", implying that they would [[spoiler:kill Ralph, ''cut off his head'' and put it on a stake'']], as they did with the sow.
* MoralEventHorizon: The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.

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