History YMMV / LordOfTheFlies

5th Feb '17 6:43:46 AM ooh
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** Upon [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/lord-of-the-flies-1990 reviewing]] the 1990 film version, Creator/RogerEbert argued that thanks to real-life violence amongst gang members, particularly in Chicago, where Ebert resided, the idea of kids killing each other is not as shocking as it was in 1954, when the book was first published, or 1963, when the original film was released. He also wrote that when the novel was first published, readers would have most likely sided with Jack because of his humanist leanings, yet by 1990, world politics had changed to the extent that some readers might find themselves siding with capitalist Ralph.

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** Upon [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/lord-of-the-flies-1990 reviewing]] the 1990 film version, Creator/RogerEbert argued that thanks to real-life violence amongst gang members, particularly in Chicago, where Ebert resided, the idea of kids killing each other is not as shocking as it was in 1954, when the book was first published, or 1963, when the original film was released. He also wrote that when the novel was first published, readers would have most likely sided with Jack Ralph because of his humanist leanings, yet by 1990, world politics had changed to the extent that some readers might find themselves siding with capitalist Ralph.Jack.
5th Feb '17 6:40:43 AM ooh
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* ValuesDissonance: The '63 film had prepubescent nudity. It was completely non-sexual and realistic, but because of the PaedoHunt, modern audiences are met with shock and disgust at the film showing young boys' boy parts.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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The '63 film had prepubescent nudity. It was completely non-sexual and realistic, but because of the PaedoHunt, modern audiences are met with shock and disgust at the film showing young boys' boy parts.parts.
** Upon [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/lord-of-the-flies-1990 reviewing]] the 1990 film version, Creator/RogerEbert argued that thanks to real-life violence amongst gang members, particularly in Chicago, where Ebert resided, the idea of kids killing each other is not as shocking as it was in 1954, when the book was first published, or 1963, when the original film was released. He also wrote that when the novel was first published, readers would have most likely sided with Jack because of his humanist leanings, yet by 1990, world politics had changed to the extent that some readers might find themselves siding with capitalist Ralph.
11th Jan '17 8:29:01 AM PinkTwinkle
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarepants Using a conch shell to represent authority.]]
Actually, that episode was likely a reference to "Lord of the Flies.''

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* HilariousInHindsight: [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarepants Using a conch shell to represent authority.]]
Actually,
]] Though that episode was likely a reference to "Lord of the Flies.''
11th Jan '17 8:28:05 AM PinkTwinkle
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Added DiffLines:

Actually, that episode was likely a reference to "Lord of the Flies.''
6th Jan '17 8:08:13 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight: Spearing a mother pig -- [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything described much like how a rape would be described]].
15th Dec '16 7:52:13 AM BunnyStar
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** Ralph and the conch too. Also, Jack and the pig.

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** Ralph and the conch too. Also, Jack and pork.
** Simon and
the pig.sow's head.
8th Sep '16 5:40:56 AM TheNotoriousMEME
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* CompleteMonster: While ''Lord of the Flies'' reveals the savagery people can descend to, Roger, [[TheDragon the right hand man of Jack]], was already a beast before he came to the island and only needed the lack of consequences to embrace his [[KidsAreCruel true]] [[TeensAreMonsters nature]]. Roger becomes the chief torturer and executioner of Jack's group, keeping others in line with threats of impalement and [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures those who won't submit to Jack]]. He is also the only boy to commit cold-blooded murder by [[MoralEventHorizon crushing the boy Piggy's head]] when Piggy desperately tries to restore sanity.

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* CompleteMonster: While ''Lord of the Flies'' reveals the savagery people can descend to, Roger, [[TheDragon the right hand man of Jack]], was already a beast before he came to the island and only needed the lack of consequences to embrace his [[KidsAreCruel true]] [[TeensAreMonsters nature]]. Roger becomes the chief torturer and executioner of Jack's group, keeping others in line with threats of impalement and [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures those who won't submit to Jack]]. He is also the only boy to commit cold-blooded murder by [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon crushing the boy Piggy's head]] when Piggy desperately tries to restore sanity.]]
14th Jun '16 12:16:42 PM coraline94
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** [[FanPreferredCouple Ralph and Jack.]] While Ralph is no saint himself, he definitely is one of the most innocent boys on the island, especially when compared to Jack. Ralph turns from an immature kid into a really kind, calm and considerate boy, not to mention that he is completely broken in the end, while Jack starts the same as Ralph, but he goes into the opposite direction, as he becomes even more malicious, rude, abusive and sadistic in the end. Ralph also represents the civil, moral part of the human mind, while Jack represents the primal instincts, the darkest, most savage part. Then there is the whole [[HairOfGoldHeartOfGold blonde hair]]- [[EvilRedhead red hair]] contrast which strengthens this implication, as older beliefs considered fair hair to be of good will, while red hair was supposed to suggest evil.

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** [[FanPreferredCouple Ralph and Jack.]] While Ralph is no saint himself, he definitely is one of the most innocent boys on the island, especially when compared to Jack. Ralph turns from an immature kid into a really kind, calm kind and considerate boy, not to mention that he is completely broken in the end, while Jack starts the same as Ralph, but he goes into the opposite direction, as he becomes even more malicious, rude, abusive and sadistic in the end. Ralph also represents the civil, moral part of the human mind, while Jack represents the primal instincts, the darkest, most savage part. Then there is the whole [[HairOfGoldHeartOfGold blonde hair]]- [[EvilRedhead red hair]] contrast which strengthens this implication, as older beliefs considered fair hair to be of good will, while red hair was supposed to suggest evil.
12th Mar '16 7:43:13 PM Pichu-kun
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* AngelDevilShipping: [[FanPreferredCouple Ralph and Jack.]] While Ralph is no saint himself, he definitely is one of the most innocent boys on the island, especially when compared to Jack. Ralph turns from an immature kid into a really kind, calm and considerate boy, not to mention that he is completely broken in the end, while Jack starts the same as Ralph, but he goes into the opposite direction, as he becomes even more malicious, rude, abusive and sadistic in the end. Ralph also represents the civil, moral part of the human mind, while Jack represents the primal instincts, the darkest, most savage part. Then there is the whole [[HairOfGoldHeartOfGold blonde hair]]- [[EvilRedhead red hair]] contrast which strengthens this implication, as older beliefs considered fair hair to be of good will, while red hair was supposed to suggest evil.

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* AngelDevilShipping: AngelDevilShipping:
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[[FanPreferredCouple Ralph and Jack.]] While Ralph is no saint himself, he definitely is one of the most innocent boys on the island, especially when compared to Jack. Ralph turns from an immature kid into a really kind, calm and considerate boy, not to mention that he is completely broken in the end, while Jack starts the same as Ralph, but he goes into the opposite direction, as he becomes even more malicious, rude, abusive and sadistic in the end. Ralph also represents the civil, moral part of the human mind, while Jack represents the primal instincts, the darkest, most savage part. Then there is the whole [[HairOfGoldHeartOfGold blonde hair]]- [[EvilRedhead red hair]] contrast which strengthens this implication, as older beliefs considered fair hair to be of good will, while red hair was supposed to suggest evil.



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time.
** Some have read it as a slightly friendlier {{A|nAesop}}esop against the racial stereotypes of the era, showing that under the wrong circumstances even British schoolboys fall into savagery just as easily as any "inferior" cultures.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The book was written just to say HumansAreBastards and HobbesWasRight, a TakeThat to all the RousseauWasRight works of the time. \n** Some have read it as a slightly friendlier {{A|nAesop}}esop against the racial stereotypes of the era, showing that under the wrong circumstances even British schoolboys fall into savagery just as easily as any "inferior" cultures.



* MemeticMutation: "Sucks to your ass-mar."

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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"Sucks to your ass-mar."



* MoralEventHorizon: The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close to it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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The frenzied, hysterical killing of [[spoiler:Simon]] by Jack and the other boys comes dangerously close to it. It's finally crossed (and in a very symbolic way) when Roger pushes a massive boulder down on [[spoiler: Piggy]], sending him flying off the cliff and to his death.



* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler: Piggy's death]] in the 1960s film.

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[[spoiler: Piggy's death]] in the 1960s film.
6th Feb '16 11:26:48 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: It's Golding's best-known work by far.
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