History YMMV / JackDavidHopkins

** Rape is essentially a good thing in this universe. [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20130715.jpg God endorses pain and tragedy as a means of helping souls grow]], there's the infamous "Fnar Gets Saved" issue, and perhaps most unfortunately, Jack states that Fnar's mother was already damned by the time she became pregnant, but that motherhood might have saved her. This marks one of the few times, possibly the only time, a character has been suggested to have been able to find redemption ''before'' their death, ''without'' the interference of Heaven or Hell, had she given birth to the child she'd conceived by rape.
** A guy goes to Purgatory and is content with that, but a bunch of angels sexually harass him until he agrees to go back and try again for Heaven, even if that means that the EasyRoadToHell is going to be much, much easier to take. The angels tell him that they weren't ''really'' going to rape him, they were going to tease him and then tell him that if he reincarnated and went to Heaven... he'd get sex with a girl he liked in life. Not love, not companionship: sex. We don't see that girl and we don't know anything about her except that she exists; we have to take the angels' word for it that she would agree to any of this. Bottom line: for a man, getting sex from a specific woman of his choosing is so important, he will bet his soul on thousand-to-one odds for a chance at it.

** In "It's Like Cancer," Arty's outrage at being the target of prejudice is portrayed as [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20030402.jpg bad and wrong and is literally killing Vinci.]] But the actual prejudice is not, as the only bad thing that happens to the extremely homophobic Jeremy is a single punch in the face.
*** It should be pointed out that Jeremy's homophobia was limited to making JerkAss remarks; he never really acted on it, even going out of his way to give Vinci painkillers on his own initiative, and seemed to get over said homophobia with relatively little prodding. Arty's anger issues were more of a problem because they were rapidly taking over his life; he was so far gone that he was lashing out at ''Vinci'' at the drop of a hat, even after finding out about the cancer, and when Vinci takes a turn for the worse near the end of the arc, Arty's more interested in feeding his grudge against Jeremy than being there for Vinci when he needed it most.
** The person that blew up the diner in "Why Do I Deserve to Die?" just ''happens'' to be [[spoiler:Nathan, who is both a [[StrawAffiliation Muslim and from Pakistan]]. And he blew up the diner for religious reasons, of course, not out of personal revenge, insurance fraud, or any other reasons a person would demolish their own building. His logic is that [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20061002.jpg those he kills will serve him in paradise]], which is most likely a corruption of the "harem in heaven" idea from hadith literature, and an infamous goal by RealLife terrorists.]]
** Rape is essentially a good thing in this universe. God endorses pain and tragedy as a means of helping souls grow, there's the infamous Fnar Gets Saved issue, and perhaps most unfortunately, Jack states that Fnar's mother was already damned by the time she became pregnant, but that motherhood might have saved her. This marks one of the few times, possibly the only time, a character has been suggested to have been able to find redemption ''before'' their death, ''without'' the interference of Heaven or Hell, had she given birth to the child she'd conceived by rape.

* Rape is essentially a good thing in this universe. God endorses pain and tragedy as a means of helping souls grow, there's the infamous Fnar Gets Saved issue, and perhaps most unfortunately, Jack states that Fnar's mother was already damned by the time she became pregnant, but that motherhood might have saved her. This marks one of the few times, possibly the only time, a character has been suggested to have been able to find redemption ''before'' their death, ''without'' the interference of Heaven or Hell, had she given birth to the child she'd conceived by rape.

*** How? It's stated that the other one of the Twin Towers ended up in heaven, and considering how many people died in that tragedy, it stands to reason that a lot of souls would be going to both heaven and hell, and assuming which building they were in contributed to where they went seems like a rather long stretch to make just so you can put an entry under UnfortunateInplications.

** In "Why Do You Do What You Do?," [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20020925.jpg no one should help you when you are raped]]. And [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20021014.jpg inviting your rapist into your personal heaven]] is apparently a good idea.

*** From the same arc, the panicked guy Silver Blue finds in the Oblong Tomb [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20020208.jpg who jumps]] [[http://www.pholph.com/artwork/37/374f3e20237c58845be91c27080d84db/Jack20020211.jpg out a window]] implies that if you accidentally jump to your doom while trying to ''save yourself'', it counts as a suicide, and you go to Hell anyway.

* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] Thalmus is a [[WouldHurtAChild child molester and child murderer]]. After this, he attempts to frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] [[PaedoHunt Thalmus]] is a [[WouldHurtAChild child molester and child murderer]]. After this, he attempts to frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] [[PaedoHunt Thalmus]] is a [[HarmfulToMinors child molester]] and [[WouldHurtAChild child murderer.]] After this, he attempts to frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] [[PaedoHunt Thalmus]] from is a [[HarmfulToMinors child molester]] and [[WouldHurtAChild child murderer.]] After this, he attempts to frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] [[PaedoHunt Thalmus.]]]] [[HarmfulToMinors Child molester,]] [[WouldHurtAChild child murderer.]] After this, he attempts to [[spoiler:frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. Nobody else agrees with this, and he ends up arrested and (publicly and on television!) executed. The VillainousBreakdown directly before the needle goes into him is simultaneously [[NightmareFuel disturbing]] and [[LaserGuidedKarma satisfying.]]]] And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are]]!)

* SnarkBait: Many people only read the comic for this reason. A site that collects rewrites of the various arcs can be found [[http://kate-comics.tumblr.com/ here]].

** If you die somehow while still in the womb, you go straight to Hell for some reason. Fnar's actual reason being taken to Hell (not his storytelling reason, which is to be Jack's MoralityPet) is never adequately explained, Jack just tells him he needs to be where his mother is. And then there are Molly's aborted daughters in "Hell Is that Noise," who not only show up in Hell, but are ''demons'' as well. It wasn't until much later (in a ''side comic'') that one of the daughters revealed herself as a "shade" created to torture Molly, and her real self was being reborn - which makes Fnar's position in Hell even more [[FridgeLogic mind boggling]].
** Throughout the comic, souls ignorant of something have tiny BlackBeadEyes, while those who are innocent or enlightened have large doe eyes. With one exception, we almost always see [[GoodEyesEvilEyes tiny eyes on sinners and huge eyes on innocents or those who have realized their sin.]] This becomes a problem when the one exception pops up - Fnar has tiny eyes because he's ignorant of pain, and gets wide eyes when he finally learns about pain by getting raped by Drip. It instead looks like Fnar was guilty of being killed in the womb and was "saved" ''by being raped!''
** And then there's Farrago's reaction to being strangled, terrified, and nearly killed by Jack in Arc XXIV, which is to forgive and literally forget instead of realizing that he's an abuser and she isn't wrong to want to distance herself from him, but no one else thinks she messed up by letting an innocent child wander around Hell where Drip could get to him just to try to "save" the Sin of Wrath, who, by his very nature and definition, ''cannot be saved''. Add in the fact that Drip and Jack are both {{Author Avatar}}s (and Fnar is reincarnated into the son of ''another'' AuthorAvatar)...it does not paint a pretty picture.
** In "Why Do You Do What You Do?," no one should help you when you are raped. And inviting your rapist into your personal heaven is apparently a good idea.
** In "Games We Play in Hell," when Silver Blue comments on the Oblong Tomb, it's implied that you can go to Hell simply by being in the wrong building when it's demolished!
** From the same arc, the panicked guy Silver Blue finds in the Oblong Tomb who jumps out a window implies that if you accidentally jump to your doom while trying to ''save yourself'', it counts as a suicide, and you go to Hell anyway.
** In "It's Like Cancer," Arty's outrage at being the target of prejudice is portrayed as bad and wrong. But the actual prejudice is not, as the only thing that happens to the extremely homophobic Jeremy is a single punch in the face.
** The person that blew up the diner in "Why Do I Deserve to Die?" just ''happens'' to be [[spoiler:a Muslim and from Pakistan. And he blew up the diner for religious reasons, of course, not out of personal revenge, or any other reasons a person would demolish a building.]]

*** It's explicitly stated that he could have gotten reincarnated at any point. They allowed him to be with his mother, something he wanted and something good for her while she suffered in Hell. They wouldn't just reincarnate him without letting her see him at least once because even though she was in Hell, she still loved him. He wasn't forced to stay in Hell, he wanted to hang out with Jack and be with his mother. Heaven allowed him to stay for Jack because nothing in Hell would be able to hurt him, aside from his own parents and they seemed to, mistakenly, think that it was unlikely he'd run into Drip.

*** Wrong. Normal people on Earth have normal eyes as well. Yes, Fnar's eyes were dots, but that meant a completely different thing from the residents of Hell. They were dots because he died before being born and was thus innocent and ignorant of EVERYTHING. He had little to no understanding of anything going on around him. Being raped by Drip forced him to experience real pain and shattered his innocence. He became like a normal person, with the knowledge and experience of suffering.

%% ** The person that blew up the diner in "Why Do I Deserve to Die?" just ''happens'' to be [[spoiler:a Muslim and from Pakistan. And he blew up the diner for religious reasons, of course.]]

** The person that blew up the diner in "Why Do I Deserve to Die?" just ''happens'' to be [[spoiler:a Muslim and from Pakistan. And he blew up the diner for religious reasons, of course.]]

* ArcFatigue: Megan's Run. Part II alone is Hopkins' longest arc to date, but both parts total to a whopping 257 pages. With some ScheduleSlip added to that, some fans felt like the arc would've went on forever.
* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Rigor]] [[PaedoHunt Thalmus.]]]] [[HarmfulToMinors Child molester,]] [[WouldHurtAChild child murderer.]] After this, he attempts to [[spoiler: frame his subordinate for these crimes, [[SadisticChoice using his own cancer research and his subordinate's in-bed-with-cancer wife as leverage.]] He also serves as a very dark deconstruction and subversion of a BunnyEarsLawyer; he believes that he's entitled to the horrible things he does precisely because he's working on cures for cancer. Nobody else agrees with this, and he ends up arrested and (publicly and on television!) executed. The VillainousBreakdown directly before the needle goes into him is simultaneously [[NightmareFuel disturbing]] and [[LaserGuidedKarma satisfying.]]]] And unlike Drip Tiberius Rat (previously listed as the worst character in ''Jack''), he doesn't have any sympathetic moments or FreudianExcuse for anything he has ever done. The only reason he committed these horrible acts is because he gets off on them.

** If you die somehow while still in the womb, you go straight to Hell for some reason. Fnar's actual reason being taken to Hell (not his storytelling reason, which is to be Jack's MoralityPet) is never adequately explained, Jack just tells him he needs to be where his mother is. And then there are Molly's aborted daughters in "Hell Is that Noise," who not only show up in Hell, but are ''demons'' as well. It wasn't until much later (in a ''guest comic'') that one of the daughters revealed herself as a "shade" created to torture Molly, and her real self was in heaven - which makes Fnar's position in Hell even more mind boggling.

** In "Games We Play in Hell," when Silver Blue commented on the Oblong Tomb, it's implied that you can go to Hell simply by being in the wrong building when it's demolished!
** From the same arc, the panicked guy Silver Blue finds in the Oblong Tomb who jumps out a window implies that if you accidentally jump to your doom while trying to ''save yourself'', it counts as a suicide, and you go to Hell.

* TheWoobie: Point at any character, there is a 70% probability that he or she ''is'', save for the Sins. However, Drip as a child may be one, based on what his [[spoiler: grandmother]] put him through. Had that not happened, Drip most likely have turned out differently. The "How to Make a Monster" arc shows us that Drip as a child was not only [[spoiler: repeatedly molested by his grandmother]], but also constantly reminded [[spoiler: that he killed his parents as an infant.]] The [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3608 rationale]] used is questionable, at the very least. [[spoiler: And yet? She's [[StableTimeLoop ''right.'']] Not in the way she thinks, perhaps, but her ExactWords are correct.]]

** If you die somehow while still in the womb, you go straight to Hell for some reason. Fnar's actual reason being taken to Hell (not his storytelling reason, which is to be Jack's MoralityPet) is never adequately explained, Jack just tells him he "needs to be taken to his mother." And then there are Molly's aborted daughters in "Hell Is that Noise," who are not only in Hell, but ''demons'' as well.
*** This point is eventually rectified. Fnar is in Hell simply because his mother is. As for Molly's daughters, one of them eventually reveals that [[ChildrenAreInnocent the real girls are in Heaven]], [[CloningBlues and she's just a shade created to torment her mother.]]

** In "Why Do You Do What You Do?," inviting your rapist into your personal heaven is apparently a good idea. And no one should help you when he decides to rape you again.
*** In that personal heaven, the girl in question created her own Drip... that was completely different from the real one. Small, scared, sad, and powerless, he's mainly there representing how she got over her fear of him.
%% ** In "Games We Play in Hell," it's implied that you can go to Hell simply by being in the wrong building when it's demolished!
%% ** If you accidentally jump to your doom while trying to ''save yourself'', it counts as a suicide, and you go to Hell.
%%** Being outraged because you're the target of prejudice is bad and wrong! But the actual prejudice is not.

*** Jack himself rather angrily explains this problem. "God does not see people who murder in His name and are then pretentious enough to then say it was his will. [[NotSoDifferent You souls are all the same]]-- Christian, Islamic, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, whatever. You pervert your religion to [[ItsAllAboutMe suit your own bigotries]], and you all end up in the same place... [[SuddenlyShouting YOU ALL END UP IN HELL!]]"

** Being outraged because you're the target of prejudice is bad and wrong! But the actual prejudice is not.

** In "Games We Play in Hell," it's implied that you can go to Hell simply by being in the wrong building when it's demolished!
** If you accidentally jump to your doom while trying to ''save yourself'', it counts as a suicide, and you go to Hell.

* IdiotBall: Farrago practically dribbles hers when [[spoiler: Fnar is raped by Drip,]] and we find out that he ''could'' have gone on to be born some time ago, but she left him in Hell anyway because cared more about helping Jack emotionally than she was about protecting the soul of an innocent kid. Best angel ever.

* SoBadItsGood: The BS arc [[http://www.pholph.com/whole_arc_viewer.php?id=5&sid=1508 Frigid McThunderbones]] would certainly fall into this category. David Hopkins has quite clearly set out to use this trope in the entire arc. Not only does he parody a wide variety of awful material, but he does it in such a way it's actually funny at times (which is somewhat surprising, considering that ''Jack'' is normally a serious story comic).

** The person that blew up the diner in "Why Do I Deserve to Die?" just ''happens'' to be [[spoiler:a Muslim and from Pakistan. And he blew up the diner for religious reasons, or course.]]

* UnfortunateImplications: Fnar's entire time spent in Hell tells us a couple of things: being killed in the womb is a sin (Fnar isn't the only person who died before being born whose soul was sent to Hell, either), and rape is a sin ''for the victim'' (Fnar's eyes are opened by being raped by Drip). And then there's Farrago's reaction to being strangled, terrified, and nearly killed by Jack, which is to forgive and literally forget instead of realizing that he's an abuser and she isn't wrong to want to distance herself from him, but no one else thinks she messed up by letting an innocent child wander around Hell where Drip could get to him just to try to "save" the Sin of Wrath, who, by his very nature and definition, ''cannot be saved''. Add in the fact that Drip and Jack are both AuthorAvatars (and Fnar is reincarnated into the son of ''another'' AuthorAvatar).. it does not paint a pretty picture.
* ValuesDissonance: Readers who don't believe in a particular brand of monotheism often experience this.

* TheWoobie: Point at any character, there is a 70% probability that he or she ''is'', save for the Sins. However, Drip as a child may be one, based on what his [[spoiler: grandmother]] put him through. Had that not happened, Drip most likely have turned out differently. The "How to Make a Monster" arc shows us that Drip as a child was not only [[spoiler: repeatedly molested by his grandmother]], but also constantly reminded [[spoiler: that he killed his parents as an infant.]] The [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3608 rationale]] used is questionable, at the very least. [[spoiler: And yet? She's [[StableTimeLoop ''right.'']] Not in the way she thinks, perhaps, but her ExactWords are correct.]]

** So why the blazes is God a sheep? Well, obviously, she's the [[StealthPun Lamb]] of [[Literature/TheBible God.]]

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* TheWoobie: Point at any character, there is a 70% probability that he or she ''is'', save for the Sins. However, Drip as a child may be one, based on what his [[spoiler: grandmother]] put him through. Had that not happened, Drip most likely have turned out differently. The "How to Make a Monster" arc shows us that Drip as a child was not only [[spoiler: repeatedly molested by his grandmother]], but also constantly reminded [[spoiler: that he killed his parents as an infant.]] The [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3608 rationale]] used is questionable, at the very least. [[spoiler: And yet? She's [[StableTimeLoop ''right.'']] Not in the way she thinks, perhaps, but her ExactWords are correct.]]
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