History YMMV / HonorHarrington

26th Nov '16 2:49:21 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The destruction of the starships ''Sovereignty of the People'' and ''Equality'' by [[spoiler:[=StateSec=]]] during the coup that put [[spoiler:Saint-Just]] in power.

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** The destruction of the starships ''Sovereignty of the People'' and ''Equality'' by [[spoiler:[=StateSec=]]] during the coup that put [[spoiler:Saint-Just]] in power. Not exactly subtle, is it?
28th Oct '16 8:05:25 PM elfey
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** 'Shadow of Victory' is at least partially designed to unite all the various spinoffs prior to the final book. However, it makes so the actual timeline advances only one day as various different thread, including those before the end of 'At All Costs' are brought up to the end of 'Shadow of Freedom' and 'Cauldron of Ghosts'.
24th Oct '16 2:28:45 PM Ramidel
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Weber accidentally sabotaged his economic libertarian AuthorFilibuster when he had the [[StrawCharacter Liberal/Progressive/Conservative coalition]] use progressive income taxes to fund the search for the seventh wormhole terminus, leading to a massive expansion of the Manticore system's wealth and making the entire Star Empire of Manticore possible. Of course, the project is still presented as a combination of pork-barreling for Government affiliates and vote-buying, so we're expected to disregard any point that might be made in favor of said progressive policies.
9th Oct '16 5:49:59 AM PsyckoSama
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* MaryTzu: There are those who argue that Honor is one, or at least has become one over the years.
24th Jul '16 12:22:22 PM Nohbody
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* HoYay: Although Scotty Tremaine and Horace Harkness are "officially" HeterosexualLifePartners, there is the rare ... hint ... of something more. Like in ''In Enemy Hands'', when they were captured and Tremaine had thought Harkness had turned traitor, but then discovered it was only a ruse so Harkness could gain the Peeps' trust and engineer an escape:
-->Aside from five of the noncoms, [Harkness] was junior to every one of them, but he had their undivided attention. Especially that of Scotty Tremaine, who couldn't seem to take his glowing eyes off him.

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Although Scotty Tremaine and Horace Harkness are "officially" HeterosexualLifePartners, there is the rare ... hint ... of something more. Like in ''In Enemy Hands'', when they were captured and Tremaine had thought Harkness had turned traitor, but then discovered it was only a ruse so Harkness could gain the Peeps' trust and engineer an escape:
-->Aside --->Aside from five of the noncoms, [Harkness] was junior to every one of them, but he had their undivided attention. Especially that of Scotty Tremaine, who couldn't seem to take his glowing eyes off him.



* LaserGuidedKarma: The aforementioned Andre Warnecke and his close followers are killed by Honor and her crew, having followed the terms of the agreement that Warnecke "forced" on them nearly to the letter. His mistake was in not searching for chemical-propelled weaponry, like Honor's Colt M1911 pistol.
5th Jul '16 1:02:49 PM PaddyMurphy
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** Cordelia Ransom's plot to LoopholeAbuse the Deneb Accords so she can have Honor killed. A scummy move from every angle, it results in no fewer than ''four'' {{Heel Face Turn}}s among the Havenite characters, who do things like actively participate in Honor's escape ([[spoiler:Warner Caslet]], hide the fact she survived her escape attempt ([[spoiler:Tourville and Foraker]]), and spur the fourth into action that would eventually topple the Committee for Public Safety ([[spoiler:Theisman]]).

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** Cordelia Ransom's plot to LoopholeAbuse the Deneb Accords so she can have Honor killed. A scummy move from every angle, it results in no fewer than ''four'' {{Heel Face Turn}}s among the Havenite characters, who do things like actively participate in Honor's escape ([[spoiler:Warner Caslet]], Caslet]]), hide the fact she survived her escape attempt ([[spoiler:Tourville and Foraker]]), and spur the fourth into action that would eventually topple the Committee for Public Safety ([[spoiler:Theisman]]).
5th Jul '16 1:01:38 PM PaddyMurphy
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** The Masadans, who prior to that point had just been fairly generic religiously oriented bad guys, crossed the MEH with what they did to the crew of the HMS ''Madrigal''.

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** The Masadans, who prior to that point had just been fairly generic religiously oriented bad guys, crossed the MEH with [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil what they did did]] to the crew of the HMS ''Madrigal''.
6th Jun '16 6:08:49 PM WiddershinsDaughter
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* LaserGuidedKarma: The aforementioned Andre Warnecke and his close followers are killed by Honor and her crew, having followed the terms of the agreement that Warnecke "forced" on them nearly to the letter. His mistake was in not searching for chemical-propelled weaponry, like Honor's Colt M1911 pistol.
6th Jun '16 6:05:53 PM WiddershinsDaughter
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** UnreliableNarrator: Can conveniently explain the second...the Grav Lance didn't work, and Honor never actually MET Hemphill! Also, a major plot point, is that the grav lance is a stupid idea that doesn't work.

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** UnreliableNarrator: Can conveniently explain the second...the Grav Lance didn't work, was too situational to work consistently in combat on a light vessel, and Honor never actually MET Hemphill! Also, as an AuthorsSavingThrow, ''Fearless'' had been simply seconded as a major plot point, is test bed that was never intended to go into service unless the grav lance is weapon was extraordinarily successful (which it wasn't). Hemphill had never intended to throw away a stupid idea that doesn't work.perfectly good (if outdated) light cruiser and its crew; it simply happened due to circumstances beyond either woman's control.
14th May '16 8:35:57 PM Angeldeb82
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** The destruction of the starships ''Sovereignty of the People'' and ''Equality'' by [[spoiler:StateSec]] during the coup that put [[spoiler:Saint-Just]] in power.

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** The destruction of the starships ''Sovereignty of the People'' and ''Equality'' by [[spoiler:StateSec]] [[spoiler:[=StateSec=]]] during the coup that put [[spoiler:Saint-Just]] in power.



* CanonSue:
** A frequent accusation leveled at Honor, occasionally even in the books themselves, depending on how you interpret the lines in question. She even seems to have a 'specialness field', so to speak, which makes people who respect her tend to be more important to the plot and world. [[AristocratsAreEvil Pavel Young and William Fitzclarence]] ruminated about it at length, but Oscar Saint-Just sums it up best near the beginning of ''Ashes of Victory'':
--->She's just happened to be in the right places--or the wrong ones, I suppose, from our perspective--for the last, oh, ten years or so. That's the official consensus from my analysts, at least. The other theory, which seems to have been gaining a broader following of late, is that she's in league with the Devil.
** To wit, Honor's plans are, with one exception (which was due to faulty intelligence), ''always right''. Every Havenite who treats her with respect gets redeemed. Just serving under her is so inspiring, that her subordinates become great officers. ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Every single character]]'' that that opposes her politically either [[HeelFaceTurn joins her cause]] or are thoroughly defeated (although, in fairness, it sometimes takes a book or two to get defeated).
** Victor Cachat. ''[[GodModeSue Again.]]''
** Samantha. Yes, a treecat CanonSue. 'Cats that have the ability/need to bond with humans are rare, and female ones are even rarer. 'Cats capable of becoming memory-singers are rare. 'Cats capable of innovative thought are rare. Samantha is '''all three'''. On top of that, she's one of the only bonded female cats ever to leave Sphinx, she's part of the only human-bonded, mated pair in history, and she's one of the few 'cats to survive losing a partner and forge a second bond. Oh, and she's the leader of the movement to get treecats to start their diaspora, she's right at the heart of treecats learning to speak with humans, and her children may be part of a new generation of human-acclimated, innovative 'cats. If she weren't a side-character, she'd be a perfect shoe-in. Oh wait, she in fact is the main character of the short story, ''Changer of Worlds''.



** The Graysons also have some accidental fun with the decision to describe their religious establishment as "Father Church." It fits with their patriarchal society, but the reason us Old-Earth Christians call our faith "''Mother'' Church" is because it is described in [[Literature/TheBible Ephesians]] as "the bride of Christ" and is ''married to Jesus''. Who would've thought the Grayson church [[HasTwoMommies Had Two Daddies]]!

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** The Graysons also have some accidental fun with the decision to describe their religious establishment as "Father Church." It fits with their patriarchal society, but the reason us we Old-Earth Christians call our faith "''Mother'' Church" is because it is described in [[Literature/TheBible Ephesians]] as "the bride of Christ" and is ''married to Jesus''. Who would've thought the Grayson church [[HasTwoMommies Had Two Daddies]]!



* IKnewIt: The end of ''Mission of Honor'' features [[spoiler: Haven and Manticore allying against Manpower and the Solarian League.]]

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* IKnewIt: The end of ''Mission of Honor'' features [[spoiler: Haven and Manticore allying against Manpower and the Solarian League.]]League]].



* MaryTzu: Agree or disagree, there are certainly those who see Honor as a text book example.



In the end, their insistence on "proper procedure" has led to the complete unraveling of the [[spoiler: Alignment's "onion"]] and gave the Manties and Havenites the smoking gun they've needed. Together with several ''more'' critical secrets, like the [[spoiler: streak drive and the man who friggin' ''made it'']]. The outcome is debatable, and may even be a case of DoomedByCanon, as those critical secrets are being revealed too late to do anyone any good due to a PhlebotinumBreakdown keeping [[spoiler: Herlander Simões from getting anywhere useful to prevent Oyster Bay, aka Pearl Harbor [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]]].

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In the end, their insistence on "proper procedure" has led to the complete unraveling of the [[spoiler: Alignment's "onion"]] and gave the Manties and Havenites the smoking gun they've needed. Together with several ''more'' critical secrets, like the [[spoiler: streak drive and the man who friggin' ''made it'']]. The outcome is debatable, and may even be a case of DoomedByCanon, as those critical secrets are being revealed too late to do anyone any good due to a PhlebotinumBreakdown keeping [[spoiler: Herlander Simões from getting anywhere useful to prevent Oyster Bay, aka Pearl Harbor [[RecycledInSpace [[RecycledINSPACE IN SPACE]]]].
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