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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof neither of the is much of a scientist.

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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her them as a scientist. scientists. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is for, and Aki's arguments based on intuitive guesses rather than hard facts, are actually pretty good proof neither of the them is much of a scientist.
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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't much of a scientist.

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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't neither of the is much of a scientist.
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**Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't much of a scientist.
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* PlotHole: So how has nobody ''noticed'' the lake of glowing blue shit that's apparently a few hundred feet below the surface of the Earth?


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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Hein's this-would-normally-be-true "Oh, so... if I point a gun at the Earth and fire, I'm not just making a hole on the ground, I'm...killing the planet?"

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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's not-so-subtle anti-war message, and in a way, it has to be obvious to get past the visual effects and music.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: The movie treats the reveal that the Phantoms are actually alien ghosts as a big reveal, despite the fact that "phantom" is a synonym for "ghost."

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* CaptainObviousReveal: The movie treats the reveal that the Phantoms are actually alien ghosts as a big reveal, despite the fact that "phantom" is a synonym for "ghost."" Curiously, the initial version of the film (included in special features on home releases) shows that this plot point was treated as common knowledge among the characters in early drafts of the script, too.
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That's not really what the trope means.


* FranchiseOriginalSin: This film was the beginning of the end of Square's dominance in the RPG video game market, even after they merged with Enix. Part of this also has to do with the technology necessitating longer development times for ''Final Fantasy'' games, the rise of others such as Bioware, and the BrokenBase with some later games, which hit a tipping point in 2010 with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: The movie treats the reveal that the Phantoms are actually alien ghosts as a big reveal, despite the fact that "phantom" is a synonym for "ghost."

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* ClicheStorm: Despite its setting and premise, the characters are widely felt to be pretty cliched - especially General Hein, Dr Cid and Gray.

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* BrokenBase: A lot of fans were annoyed that none of the games were adapted to the big screen, while others argue that each game is unconnected and it makes sense that the film would be too.
* ClicheStorm: Despite its setting and premise, the characters are It's widely felt to be pretty cliched - especially accepted that the story and premise at least are original. However, the characters, particularly Gray (tough marine who rebels against authority), General Hein, Dr Cid Hein (HateSink of an authority figure) and Gray.Neil (PluckyComicRelief) are hugely clichéd.
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This is in no way a trope codifier of Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.


* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Practically the TropeCodifier. The Phantoms are stuck in a dream-like state, lashing out at everything around them, unsure of what is reality. The larger beasts are just gigantic wildlife that have no idea what's going on as well.

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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Practically the TropeCodifier. The Phantoms are stuck in a dream-like state, lashing out at everything around them, unsure of what is reality. The larger beasts are just gigantic wildlife that have no idea what's going on as well.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This film was the beginning of the end of Square's dominance in the RPG video game market, even after they merged with Enix. Part of this also has to do with the technology necessitating longer development times for ''Final Fantasy'' games, the rise of others such as Bioware, and the BrokenBase with some later games, which hit a tipping point in 2010 with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The banter between Neil and Jane is either just friendly, or he could be flirting with her. Notably when she tells him to get a girlfriend, he winks and says "I'm working on it" - and alludes to Jane always picking on him in a {{Tsundere}} way.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An adaptation of a popular RPG video game series, that doesn't actually adapt ''any'' of the games' stories or characters? Many people suggest that the backlash wouldn't have been as severe if 'Final Fantasy' wasn't in the title.
* ClicheStorm: Despite its setting and premise, the characters are widely felt to be pretty cliched - especially General Hein, Dr Cid and Gray.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Neil due to providing most of the comic relief. Steve Buscemi improvised most of his lines too.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This film was the beginning of the end of Square's dominance in the RPG video game market, even after they merged with Enix. Part of this also has to do with the technology necessitating longer development times for ''Final Fantasy'' games, the rise of others such as Bioware, and the BrokenBase with some later games, which hit a tipping point in 2010 with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Neil jokes about hoping to have kids, to which Jane responds "that's a spooky thought". [[spoiler: Not so funny when Jane physically has to watch him die]].


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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A variation. Plenty of ''Final Fantasy'' fans were annoyed that it wasn't an adaptation of their favourite game and hated it for being a standalone story.


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* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's not-so-subtle anti-war message, and in a way, it has to be obvious to get past the visual effects and music.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This film was the beginning of the end of Square's dominance in the RPG video game market, even after they merged with Enix. Part of this also has to do with the technology necessitating longer development times for ''Final Fantasy'' games, the rise of others such as Bioware, and the BrokenBase with some later games, which hit a tipping point in 2010 with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' ''[[Film/LaraCroftTombRaider Tomb Raider]]'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'', ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Practically the TropeCodifier. The Phantoms are stuck in a dream-like state, lashing out at everything around them, unsure of what is reality. The larger beasts are just gigantic wildlife that have no idea what's going on as well.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePoleExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePoleExpress'')...(''ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''PoleExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''PoleExpress'')...(''ThePoleExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''PoleExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive.
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Not YMMV anymore. Moving.


* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Phantoms, when you learn their BackStory. The large ones aren't even people - they're ''animals'' akin to elephants and whales.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Phantoms, when you learn their BackStory. The large ones aren't even people - they're ''animals'' akin to elephants and whales.
impressive.
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What\'s this got to do with anything?


** The reverse is true: 5 stars for ''{{TRON}}'', which was a movie ''about'' being in a videogame.
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** The reverse is true: 5 stars for ''{{TRON}}'', which was a movie ''about'' being in a videogame.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Phantoms, when you learn their BackStory. The large ones aren't even people - they're ''animals'' akin to elephants and whales.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving the film a 3.5-star review. Funny enough, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving the film it a 3.5-star review. Funny enough, In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving the film a 3.5-star review. Funny enough, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''Film/Hitman'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving the film a 3.5-star review. Funny enough, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''Film/Hitman'', ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving the film a 3.5-star review. Funny enough, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''Film/Hitman'', the ''Film/TombRaider'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesomeVisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Allmusic suggested that ElliotGoldenthal's score for the film would have been nominated for an Oscar if the rest of the film had been better. And Lara Fabian's "The Dream Within" (one of the score tracks - "Adagio And Transfiguration" - with added lyrics) is pretty damn epic too.
** And if you sit through the credits till the end of "The Dream Within" you'll be treated to one a rare North American appearance by LArcEnCiel!
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: The Phantoms.
* TearJerker: Several
** The scene where Aki reveals one of the spirits was a LittlestCancerPatient.
** Oh dear heaven, [[spoiler: the fall of Barrier City 42, New York City. You are dead inside if you don't wear the same expression as the Deep Eyes after listening to the desperate screams and death cries of the people in the shuttle & rooftop scene. It is HighOctaneNightmareFuel that will shake you every time you watch.]]
** The whole scene where [[spoiler: the Deep Eyes perish.]]
*** Including Neil and Jane's shocked faces when [[spoiler:Neil gets killed by a phantom and then when Jane realizes she can't escape either. Considering how Jane always picked on Neil, it was especially touching how she reacted when he died. When she realized she was trapped, she made sure her body fell next to him in death. Pass the tissue.]]
*** And the BigNo scene where Grey screams out [[spoiler: Ryan's name just after he dies.]]
** Kind of hard not to feel something when Aki is mourning over [[spoiler: the loss of the Deep Eyes and New York City.]]
** When [[spoiler:Grey scacrifices himself]].

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