History YMMV / FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin

3rd Apr '17 8:53:52 PM nombretomado
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')...(''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."
10th Feb '17 12:48:49 PM garthvader
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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.

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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', right'' in terms of his reasoning based on the known facts, and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.
10th Feb '17 12:13:58 PM garthvader
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** Hein is depicted as paranoid for suspecting Aki and Sid might not be on the up and up for sneaking the Phantom-infected Aki into the Barrier City repeatedly, despite that they have no proof their containment system won't suddenly fail, no safeguards in place if it does, and haven't told the guy in charge of security that one of them is a walking bomb that could compromise the city's security at any moment. Seeing this as a possible trojan horse strategy by the Phantoms is actually fairly ''sensible'' given the extent to which they both needlessly lied to him and the council about it.
10th Feb '17 12:07:56 PM garthvader
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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof neither of the is much of a scientist.

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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her them as a scientist. scientists. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is for, and Aki's arguments based on intuitive guesses rather than hard facts, are actually pretty good proof neither of the them is much of a scientist.
10th Feb '17 12:06:03 PM garthvader
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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't much of a scientist.

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** Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't neither of the is much of a scientist.
10th Feb '17 12:05:29 PM garthvader
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**Sid also tells Aki to burn any notes related to her support of the Gaia hypothesis because they might be used to discredit her as a scientist. The problem being, Sid's objections to Hein's plan being based on a hypothesis he has never attempted to falsify and has next to no evidence for is actually pretty good proof he isn't much of a scientist.
10th Feb '17 11:55:23 AM garthvader
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* PlotHole: So how has nobody ''noticed'' the lake of glowing blue shit that's apparently a few hundred feet below the surface of the Earth?


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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Hein's this-would-normally-be-true "Oh, so... if I point a gun at the Earth and fire, I'm not just making a hole on the ground, I'm...killing the planet?"
10th Feb '17 11:47:34 AM garthvader
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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's not-so-subtle anti-war message, and in a way, it has to be obvious to get past the visual effects and music.
1st Sep '16 3:26:27 AM Sabrewing
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* CaptainObviousReveal: The movie treats the reveal that the Phantoms are actually alien ghosts as a big reveal, despite the fact that "phantom" is a synonym for "ghost."

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* CaptainObviousReveal: The movie treats the reveal that the Phantoms are actually alien ghosts as a big reveal, despite the fact that "phantom" is a synonym for "ghost."" Curiously, the initial version of the film (included in special features on home releases) shows that this plot point was treated as common knowledge among the characters in early drafts of the script, too.
19th Aug '16 2:41:02 PM MrDeath
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This film was the beginning of the end of Square's dominance in the RPG video game market, even after they merged with Enix. Part of this also has to do with the technology necessitating longer development times for ''Final Fantasy'' games, the rise of others such as Bioware, and the BrokenBase with some later games, which hit a tipping point in 2010 with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''.
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