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Lets just keep the reaction about the game itself.


** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more page views. {{Maddox}} added fuel to the fire by using the game to bash random indie game makers who happen to be female.
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By that logic, Kotaku shouldn\'t be covered.


** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more page views.

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** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more page views. {{Maddox}} added fuel to the fire by using the game to bash random indie game makers who happen to be female.
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No, not even that. Like Base Breaker, Broken Base is a disagreement within the fandom. The issue of the character design is clearly a clash between fans and detractors. Internet Backdraft already delves on the issue and we don\'t need another one but with added useless pimping of internet personalities.


* BrokenBase: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support a heavily sexist industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator and continues to devalue women. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist radical feminists and prudes who froth at the mouth about anything vaguely sexual]] and [[WhiteKnighting self-hating white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.
** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other and that they need to stop so that people can have actual civil discussions between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry (Maddox points out there's a small, but growing amount of female developers in the games industry) and make their own games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.
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Base Breaker? Perhaps not. Broken Base? Definitely.

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* BrokenBase: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support a heavily sexist industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator and continues to devalue women. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist radical feminists and prudes who froth at the mouth about anything vaguely sexual]] and [[WhiteKnighting self-hating white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.
** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other and that they need to stop so that people can have actual civil discussions between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry (Maddox points out there's a small, but growing amount of female developers in the games industry) and make their own games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.
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Not a Base Breaker. A Base Breaker is a \'\'\'character\'\'\' that hated and loved by the fanbase.


* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support a heavily sexist industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator and continues to devalue women. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist radical feminists and prudes who froth at the mouth about anything vaguely sexual]] and [[WhiteKnighting self-hating white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.
** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other and that they need to stop so that people can have actual civil discussions between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry (Maddox points out there's a small, but growing amount of female developers in the games industry) and make their own games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.
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** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry and make their own games to counter the portrayal of women in games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.

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** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry (Maddox points out there's a small, but growing amount of female developers in the games industry) and make their own games to counter the portrayal of women in games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.

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** {{Maddox}} also takes another, unconventional position - if gamers want to see less and less over-exaggerations and sexualization of females, gamers - especially female developers - need to get into the industry and make their own games to counter the portrayal of women in games, so that non-sexualized females in games become the norm, ''not'' {{fanservice}}.



** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more pageveiws.

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** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more pageveiws.page views.
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* InternetBackdraft: [[VanillaWare Vanillaware]]'s character designs have always include some fanservice, but the fact that it's more obvious this time[[hottip:*:due to the player characters, who are at the forefront of the advertisements, exhibiting most of the artist's... [[AuthorAppeal interests]] has caused the majority of gamers to argue about several topics regarding sexism and feminism in video games today. Needless to say, the gameplay and overall quality of the game itself isn't even a footnote in these debates, and bringing up the similarity of the exaggerated male character designs tends to just cause more backdraft.

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* InternetBackdraft: [[VanillaWare Vanillaware]]'s character designs have always include some fanservice, but the fact that it's more obvious this time[[hottip:*:due to the player characters, who are at the forefront of the advertisements, exhibiting most of the artist's... [[AuthorAppeal interests]] has caused the majority of gamers to argue about several topics regarding sexism and feminism in video games today. Needless to say, the gameplay and overall quality of the game itself isn't even a footnote in these debates, and bringing up the similarity of the exaggerated male character designs tends to just cause more backdraft.backdraft.
** Another went to Kotaku (the ones who started this whole mess) while many never liked it, the controversy they caused, resulted in people accusing them of finding and starting controversy solely to get more pageveiws.
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* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support an industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist feminists]] and [[WhiteKnighting white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.

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* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support an a heavily sexist industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator. LowestCommonDenominator and continues to devalue women. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist feminists]] radical feminists and prudes who froth at the mouth about anything vaguely sexual]] and [[WhiteKnighting self-hating white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.
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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other that no can have an actual civil discussions anymore between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.

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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other and that no they need to stop so that people can have an actual civil discussions anymore between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.

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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; Jim Sterling says that while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and other that no can have an actual civil discussions anymore between the exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; while Jim Sterling says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.

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** {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; while Jim Sterling says that her while he personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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** "Jimquisition" takes an interesting position on this subject; while he says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.

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** "Jimquisition" {{Jimquisition}} takes an interesting position on this subject; while he Jim Sterling says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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** [[Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] takes an interesting position on this subject; while he says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.

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** [[Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] "Jimquisition" takes an interesting position on this subject; while he says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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** [[Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] takes an interesting position on this subject; while he says that her personally does not like the female character designs(with the exception of the Elf), he points out the big problem of both sides being so caught up with fighting and arguing with each other, and they need to stop and have actual civil discussions between exchange of ideas, understanding, compromising, and learning, which in turn can help the gaming community improve.
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* InternetBackdraft: [[VanillaWare Vanillaware]]'s character designs have always include some fanservice, but the fact that this time it's more obvious, due to the player characters exhibiting most of the artist's... [[AuthorAppeal interests]], causing the majority of gamers to argue about several topics regarding sexism and feminism in video games today. Needless to say, the gameplay and overall quality of the game itself isn't even a footnote in these debates, and bringing up the similarity of the exaggerated male character designs tends to just cause more backdraft.

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* InternetBackdraft: [[VanillaWare Vanillaware]]'s character designs have always include some fanservice, but the fact that this time it's more obvious, due obvious this time[[hottip:*:due to the player characters characters, who are at the forefront of the advertisements, exhibiting most of the artist's... [[AuthorAppeal interests]], causing interests]] has caused the majority of gamers to argue about several topics regarding sexism and feminism in video games today. Needless to say, the gameplay and overall quality of the game itself isn't even a footnote in these debates, and bringing up the similarity of the exaggerated male character designs tends to just cause more backdraft.
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* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support an industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist feminists]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.

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* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support an industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist feminists]] and [[WhiteKnighting white knights]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.
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* BaseBreaker: See also Internet Backdraft on this page. Anyone who likes, defends, and/or even doesn't mind the female character designs are stereotyped as [[FanDumb pathetic perverts that continue to support an industry that still caters to the]] LowestCommonDenominator. Anyone who dislikes or also holds a neutral opinion on the subject are accused of [[HateDumb being]] [[StrawFeminist feminists]] that damage the freedom of art design in video games. The game has nearly become a LoveItOrHateIt title ''solely'' due to the art direction of the player characters.


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* InternetBackdraft: [[VanillaWare Vanillaware]]'s character designs have always include some fanservice, but the fact that this time it's more obvious, due to the player characters exhibiting most of the artist's... [[AuthorAppeal interests]], causing the majority of gamers to argue about several topics regarding sexism and feminism in video games today. Needless to say, the gameplay and overall quality of the game itself isn't even a footnote in these debates, and bringing up the similarity of the exaggerated male character designs tends to just cause more backdraft.
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an Ensemble Darkhorse is an unexpectedly popular minor character. These characters are put of the main cast


* EnsembleDarkhorse: Again, the Sorceress and the Amazon, for [[BuxomIsBetter obvious]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} reasons]]. Pretty telling as they received this popularity ''years before the game's release''.
** [[{{Jimquisition}} Jim Sterling]] expressed fondness towards the Elf for being sexy without being deliberately so.
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** [[{{Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] expressed fondness towards the Elf for being sexy without being deliberately so.

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** [[{{Jimquisition [[{{Jimquisition}} Jim Sterling]] expressed fondness towards the Elf for being sexy without being deliberately so.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Again, the Sorceress and the Amazon, for [[BuxomIsBetter obvious]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} reasons]]. Pretty telling as they received this popularity ''years before the game's release''.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Again, the Sorceress and the Amazon, for [[BuxomIsBetter obvious]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} reasons]]. Pretty telling as they received this popularity ''years before the game's release''.release''.
** [[{{Jimquisition Jim Sterling]] expressed fondness towards the Elf for being sexy without being deliberately so.
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else'', most of them NSFW. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else'', most of them NSFW. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.announced, years before the release date.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Again, the Sorceress and the Amazon, for [[BuxomIsBetter obvious]] [[{{Stripperiffic}} reasons]]. Pretty telling as they received this popularity ''years before the game's release''.
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.
** Is the game actually good, and has a lot of replay value? [[MathematiciansAnswer Boobies!]]
** In fact, it's very likely you first heard of the game after seeing a lot if pin-ups or porn featuring the sorceress, and trying to find out where they are coming from.
*** Look at the page and count the number of times "sorceress" and amazon" show up on each line.

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. else'', most of them NSFW. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.
** Is the game actually good, and has a lot of replay value? [[MathematiciansAnswer Boobies!]]
** In fact, it's very likely you first heard of the game after seeing a lot if pin-ups or porn featuring the sorceress, and trying to find out where they are coming from.
*** Look at the page and count the number of times "sorceress" and amazon" show up on each line.
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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.

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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper: BestKnownForTheFanservice: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''first'' announced.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: After Amazon started cancelling pre-orders and rumours spreading that the game had been cancelled due to DevelopmentHell, {{Atlus}} comes in and saves the day!
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: After Amazon started cancelling pre-orders and rumours spreading that the game had been cancelled due to DevelopmentHell, {{Atlus}} comes in and saves the day!
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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. Considering that the game was ''announced'' just recently, that should tell you something.

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* EverybodyRemembersTheStripper: If you look for {{fanart}} of this game, you are bound to run across more pictures of the Sorceress and Amazon ''than anyone else''. Considering that the To put this into perspective, this occurred almost ''immediately'' after this game was ''announced'' just recently, that should tell you something.''first'' announced.
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** In fact, it's very likely you first heard of the game after seeing a lot if pin-ups or porn featuring the sorceress, and trying to find out where they are coming from.

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** In fact, it's very likely you first heard of the game after seeing a lot if pin-ups or porn featuring the sorceress, and trying to find out where they are coming from.from.
*** Look at the page and count the number of times "sorceress" and amazon" show up on each line.
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** Is the game actually good, and has a lot of replay value? [[MathematiciansAnswer Boobies!]]

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** Is the game actually good, and has a lot of replay value? [[MathematiciansAnswer Boobies!]]Boobies!]]
** In fact, it's very likely you first heard of the game after seeing a lot if pin-ups or porn featuring the sorceress, and trying to find out where they are coming from.

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