History YMMV / DragonSlayer

28th Nov '16 3:03:14 AM SarenVader22
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* MisaimedFandom: Skeptics and atheists like using Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech, which out of context does make him sound like a noble rational soul crusading against superstition.

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* MisaimedFandom: Skeptics and atheists like using Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech, which out of context does make him sound like a noble rational soul crusading against superstition. Two more things that don't help are the film's anti-Christian overtones and Tyrian's later proven wrong when [[spoiler: Galen kills him with an enchanted spear, thus preventing him from living to see Ulrich's return]].
10th Aug '16 3:01:02 PM chasemaddigan
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* VindicatedByCable: Not a box-office hit on its release (mostly due to it being Disney's darkest and edgiest film ever, though being released two weeks after ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'' certainly didn't help), the film still became popular with fantasy buffs for its impressive sfx, deconstructive tropes, and effective acting.

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* VindicatedByCable: Not a box-office hit on its release (mostly due to it being Disney's darkest and edgiest film ever, though being released two weeks after ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'' certainly didn't help), the film still became popular with fantasy buffs for its impressive sfx, deconstructive tropes, and effective acting.acting.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: One of the reasons the movie bombed in theaters was that people were expecting a kids-friendly Disney movie... only to find out there was blood, murder, scary dragons, a ton of {{Squick}}, and partial nudity. Even with a PG rating at the time. The ratings system didn't have a PG-13 movie yet in place (this was one of the many films that pushed its creation) and it wasn't mature enough to qualify for the R rating.
23rd Jun '16 9:29:35 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified. Though the legitimacy of Tyrian's skepticism falls flat when one remembers that Tyrian acknowledges the existence of Vermithrax while knowing that dragons are supernatural creatures. He also knew that Galen used magic to cause the landslide that buried Vermithrax's cave, but doesn't change his view on magic or wizards accordingly afterwards.

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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified. Though the legitimacy of Tyrian's skepticism falls flat when one remembers that Tyrian acknowledges the existence of Vermithrax while knowing that dragons are supernatural creatures. He also knew that Galen used magic to cause the landslide that buried Vermithrax's cave, but doesn't change his view on magic or wizards accordingly afterwards. Alternatively it might just make him ''more'' suspicious of an alleged wizard being so cagey about providing evidence, since he knows real magic is easily proven.
3rd Jun '16 9:17:30 AM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: Some have accused Dragonslayer of having anti-Christian overtones, as the movie portrays Christianity and Christian characters quite negatively, compounded by the fact that paganism (a belief system the Bible condemns) and the pagan main characters (Galen and Ulrich) are portrayed very positively.
12th Feb '16 5:56:51 PM quirkygenius
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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified. Though the legitimacy of Tyrian's skepticism falls flat when one remembers that Tyrian acknowledges the existence of Vermithrax while knowing that dragons are supernatural creatures. He also knew that Galen used magic to cause the landslide that buried Vermithrax's cave but doesn't change his view on magic or wizards accordingly.

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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified. Though the legitimacy of Tyrian's skepticism falls flat when one remembers that Tyrian acknowledges the existence of Vermithrax while knowing that dragons are supernatural creatures. He also knew that Galen used magic to cause the landslide that buried Vermithrax's cave cave, but doesn't change his view on magic or wizards accordingly.accordingly afterwards.


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* UnfortunateImplications: Some have accused Dragonslayer of having anti-Christian overtones, as the movie portrays Christianity and Christian characters quite negatively, compounded by the fact that paganism (a belief system the Bible condemns) and the pagan main characters (Galen and Ulrich) are portrayed very positively.
12th Feb '16 5:53:27 PM quirkygenius
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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified.

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** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified. Though the legitimacy of Tyrian's skepticism falls flat when one remembers that Tyrian acknowledges the existence of Vermithrax while knowing that dragons are supernatural creatures. He also knew that Galen used magic to cause the landslide that buried Vermithrax's cave but doesn't change his view on magic or wizards accordingly.
10th Feb '16 5:24:09 AM Temmere
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: King Casiodorus. The thing is, the lottery ''worked''. Casiodorus tells the story of how his brother Gaiseric, a brave warrior king, went out to try and slay the dragon. Vermithrax killed Gaiseric and all his men, then laid waste to whole towns in retaliation. The point is underscored when [[spoiler:Galen's first bungled effort at dragonslaying provokes a slaughter]]. Casiodorus's solution of pacifying the dragon with a handful of sacrifices was far better. Even though Casiodorus is later shown to be a hypocrite who [[spoiler:accepts bribes to keep rich ladies out of the lottery, and then jettisons the whole scheme when his own daughter offers herself up]], no one ever presents a compelling answer to his argument: Better a few should die that many may live.
** However, Casiodorus doesn't have one vital piece of information: [[spoiler:the dragon has just had babies. A few virgins a year to one dragon until it dies of old age might be a logical (if heartless) trade-off, but with three more dragons, and the possibility of more dragons in the future, it appears that Galen is in the right in trying to kill the dragon and its young now.]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: StrawmanHasAPoint:
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King Casiodorus. The thing is, the lottery ''worked''. Casiodorus tells the story of how his brother Gaiseric, a brave warrior king, went out to try and slay the dragon. Vermithrax killed Gaiseric and all his men, then laid waste to whole towns in retaliation. The point is underscored when [[spoiler:Galen's first bungled effort at dragonslaying provokes a slaughter]]. Casiodorus's solution of pacifying the dragon with a handful of sacrifices was far better. Even though Casiodorus is later shown to be a hypocrite who [[spoiler:accepts bribes to keep rich ladies out of the lottery, and then jettisons the whole scheme when his own daughter offers herself up]], no one ever presents a compelling answer to his argument: Better a few should die that many may live.
** *** However, Casiodorus doesn't have one vital piece of information: [[spoiler:the dragon has just had babies. A few virgins a year to one dragon until it dies of old age might be a logical (if heartless) trade-off, but with three more dragons, and the possibility of more dragons in the future, it appears that Galen is in the right in trying to kill the dragon and its young now.]]]]
** Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech makes him sound like a jerk, but as Valerian just got done saying, all the other true wizards are dead. Tyrian's probably encountered a few charlatans in his day, so his skepticism about Ulrich is actually pretty justified.
13th Jan '16 7:34:41 AM Eagal
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* VindicatedByCable: Not a box-office hit on its release (mostly due to it being Disney's darkest and edgiest film ever, though being released two weeks after ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'' certainly didn't help), the film still became popular with fantasy buffs for its impressive sfx, deconstructive tropes, and effective acting.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Vermithrax is the most realistic stop-motion animated creature ever, thanks to Creator/IndustrialLightAndMagic's new "Go Motion", which added subtle blur to the movement, removing the jerkiness most stop-motion animated visual effects had.

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* VindicatedByCable: Not a box-office hit on its release (mostly due to it being Disney's darkest and edgiest film ever, though being released two weeks after ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'' certainly didn't help), the film still became popular with fantasy buffs for its impressive sfx, deconstructive tropes, and effective acting.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Vermithrax is the most realistic stop-motion animated creature ever, thanks to Creator/IndustrialLightAndMagic's new "Go Motion", which added subtle blur to the movement, removing the jerkiness most stop-motion animated visual effects had.
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13th Jan '16 7:32:56 AM Eagal
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* MacGuffin / SoulJar: The amulet. [[spoiler: Its destruction brings about that of Ulrich's.]]



* MostWonderfulSound: A ''dragon inhaling''...
21st Jul '15 7:35:08 PM timotaka
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* MisaimedFandom: Skeptics and atheists like using Tyrian's "They never do tests" speech, which out of context does make him sound like a noble rational soul crusading against superstition.
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