History YMMV / DevilMayCry

5th Feb '16 9:07:43 PM mlsmithca
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** There's also a [[WinBackTheCrowd meta example]] in the post-Creator/HidekiKamiya games. The creator of the second one (the SophomoreSlump) was also the creator of the third one (the MagnumOpus).
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** There's also a [[WinBackTheCrowd meta example]] in the post-Creator/HidekiKamiya games. The creator of the second one (the SophomoreSlump) was also the creator of the third one (the MagnumOpus).one.
3rd Feb '16 11:49:56 AM HighCrate
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Not An Example of First Installment Wins if it's "tied" with 3; Magnum Opus has been declared IUEO per TRS.
* FirstInstallmentWins[=/=]MagnumOpus: The first ''Devil May Cry'' is tied with ''3''. While the latter was criticized for its strong difficulty, its updated edition fixed this by dialing the difficulty levels back a bit and became arguably the best ''Devil May Cry''. ''Devil May Cry 4'' is also viewed as the game with the most complex mechanics.
9th Jan '16 5:21:38 PM Virodhi
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Parvum Opus is being cut, per TRS.
* ParvumOpus: In general, ''Devil May Cry 2'' is seen as this from both the critics and fans, and even Capcom treats it as an OldShame. Many fans also don't hold the [[VideoGame/DMCDevilMayCry reboot]] in high regard either.
6th Dec '15 10:50:10 AM DeisTheAlcano
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** A straighter example of the former is the rivalry between ''Devil May Cry'' vs. ''Franchise/GodOfWar'' which are similar in so far as being HackAndSlash games with some puzzles thrown, but set on different ends of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism and the former running on RuleOfCool and the latter best described as [[DarkerAndEdgier Rule of Brutal]].
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** A straighter example of the former is the rivalry between ''Devil May Cry'' vs. ''Franchise/GodOfWar'' ''VideoGame/{{God of War|Series}}'' which are similar in so far as being HackAndSlash games with some puzzles thrown, but set on different ends of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism and the former running on RuleOfCool and the latter best described as [[DarkerAndEdgier Rule of Brutal]].
9th Nov '15 11:57:14 PM X2X
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Creator/HidekiKamiya [[https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/26073831156 states that it wasn't his intention to portray Trish as Dante's love interest in the original game]] (although his response that she's ''more'' than that is open to interpretation). In spite of this, there was enough romantic subtext in some of their more touching scenes later on that Trish is still a popular partner for Dante among shippers.
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Creator/HidekiKamiya [[https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/26073831156 states that it wasn't his intention to portray Trish as Dante's love interest in the original game]] (although his response that she's ''more'' than that is open to interpretation). In spite of this, there was enough romantic subtext in some of their more touching scenes later on that Trish is still a popular partner for Dante among shippers. It doesn't help that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRKVEM-a2lg the first game's staff roll]] is titled "Dante & Trish ~ Seeds of '''Love'''."
28th Sep '15 11:48:17 PM TARINunit9
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* BrokenBase: The biggest point of contention in the fandom (''[=DmC=]'' notwithstanding) likely comes from the canonical status of ''Devil May Cry 4: Deadly Fortune'', a two-volume graphic novel written by Morihashi Bingo, the scenario writer for ''[=DMC3=]'' and ''[=DMC4=]'', and his assistant Yasui Kentarou. Bingo considers the novel to be the definitive version of the fourth game's story but it deviates from the game's plot at multiple points and was written ''after'' he left Capcom's employ. Because of this, it's been questioned if the novel can be considered anything more than [[WordOfSaintPaul semi-canon at best]], and not all fans ([[http://devils-lair.org/dmc4novel.html for example]]) are on board with certain portions of the narrative, such as [[spoiler:Vergil apparently having a one-night stand/brief fling with a prostitute when he visited Fortuna sixteen/seventeen years ago to learn more about Sparda's legacy, leading to Nero's birth]].
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* BrokenBase: The biggest point of contention in the fandom (''[=DmC=]'' notwithstanding) likely comes from the canonical status of ''Devil May Cry 4: Deadly Fortune'', a two-volume graphic novel written by Morihashi Bingo, the scenario writer for ''[=DMC3=]'' and ''[=DMC4=]'', and his assistant Yasui Kentarou. Bingo considers the novel to be the definitive version of the fourth game's story but it deviates from the game's plot at multiple points and was written ''after'' he left Capcom's employ. Because of this, it's been questioned if the novel can be considered anything more than [[WordOfSaintPaul semi-canon at best]], and not all fans ([[http://devils-lair.org/dmc4novel.html for example]]) are on board with certain portions of the narrative, such as [[spoiler:Vergil apparently having [[spoiler:Nero's mother being some nameless prostitute that Vergil had a one-night stand/brief fling stand with a prostitute when he visited Fortuna sixteen/seventeen years ago to (to learn more about Sparda's legacy, leading to Nero's birth]].legacy)]].
19th Sep '15 6:24:13 PM X2X
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19th Sep '15 6:23:49 PM X2X
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** Lady is probably the most popular of Dante's female companions despite having slightly less appearances inside and outside of the series when compared to Trish, owing to her tragic backstory, straight-laced personality, and MoreDakka brand of gunslinging. Likewise, many fans were delighted to see her finally PromotedToPlayable in ''4:SE'', [[MechanicallyUnusualFighter where she turns out to have some of the most unique gameplay mechanics in the series]].
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** Lady is probably the most popular of Dante's female companions despite having slightly less appearances inside and outside of the series when compared to Trish, owing to her tragic backstory, straight-laced personality, and MoreDakka brand of gunslinging. Likewise, many fans were delighted to see her finally PromotedToPlayable in ''4:SE'', [[LongRangeFighter where she turns out to have]] [[MechanicallyUnusualFighter where she turns out to have some of the most unique gameplay mechanics in the series]].
13th Sep '15 12:51:38 AM X2X
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Vergil. A lot of fans were already intrigued by Nelo Angelo, but the character's popularity ''skyrocketed'' after Vergil's role in ''3''. There was much rejoicing when he was confirmed to be returning in ''4'''s special edition.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Vergil. A lot of fans were already intrigued by Nelo Angelo, but the character's popularity ''skyrocketed'' after Vergil's role in ''3''. There was much rejoicing when he was confirmed to be returning in ''4'''s special edition. ''Special Edition''. ** Lady is probably the most popular of Dante's female companions despite having slightly less appearances inside and outside of the series when compared to Trish, owing to her tragic backstory, straight-laced personality, and MoreDakka brand of gunslinging. Likewise, many fans were delighted to see her finally PromotedToPlayable in ''4:SE'', [[MechanicallyUnusualFighter where she turns out to have some of the most unique gameplay mechanics in the series]].

** A straighter example of the former is the rivalry between Devil May Cry vs Franchise/GodOfWar which are similar in so far as being HackAndSlash games with some puzzles thrown, but set on different ends of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism and the former running on RuleOfCool and the latter best described as [[DarkerAndEdgier Rule of Brutal]].
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** A straighter example of the former is the rivalry between Devil ''Devil May Cry vs Franchise/GodOfWar Cry'' vs. ''Franchise/GodOfWar'' which are similar in so far as being HackAndSlash games with some puzzles thrown, but set on different ends of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism and the former running on RuleOfCool and the latter best described as [[DarkerAndEdgier Rule of Brutal]].

** Dante is also paired with Morrigan from ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}''.
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** Dante is also paired with Morrigan from ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}''.''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'', which was helped by their appearance together in ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 Marvel vs. Capcom 3]]''.

*** The Sparda sword seems pointless because it uses Alistor's moveset but lacks a Devil Trigger until the final boss. What [[GuideDangIt the game never tells you,]] however, is that Sparda ''always'' deals the extra damage Alistor does during Devil Trigger. This may not seem like a good trade-off, but on Hard and ''especially'' on Dante Must Die, where Dante does not gain health while in Devil Trigger and the damage from the attacks Dante can do while in Devil Trigger do not scale up with the difficulty. That Air Raid you used to slaughter enemies on your first playthrough barely scratches even the basic mooks. Melee becomes your main method of dealing damage, and always having the extra damage by using Sparda makes getting through DMD mode significantly less frustrating.
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*** The Sparda sword seems pointless because it uses Alistor's Alastor's moveset but lacks a Devil Trigger until the final boss. What [[GuideDangIt the game never tells you,]] you]], however, is that Sparda ''always'' deals the extra damage Alistor Alastor does during Devil Trigger. This may not seem like a good trade-off, but it helps tremendously on Hard and ''especially'' on Dante Must Die, where Dante does not gain health while in Devil Trigger and the damage from the attacks Dante can do while in Devil Trigger do not scale up with the difficulty. That Air Raid you used to slaughter enemies on your first playthrough barely scratches even the basic mooks. Melee becomes your main method of dealing damage, and always having the extra damage by using Sparda makes getting through DMD mode significantly less frustrating.

** Vergil in ''[=DMC4=] Special Edition''. Carefully using the Concentration gauge coupled with the Devil Trigger and Beowulf makes The Savior a 2 hit job.
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** Vergil in ''[=DMC4=] ''[=DMC4=]: Special Edition''. Carefully using the Concentration gauge Gauge coupled with the Devil Trigger and Beowulf makes The Savior a 2 hit 2-hit job.

** Lady too, any boss who try to keep his distances with her is already dead.
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** Lady too, too; any boss who try that tries to keep his distances their distance with her is already dead.

* NarmCharm: The franchise practically runs on silliness. Of particular note is his costume in 4, which includes ass-less and crotchless chaps, though given how stylishly "American" Dante's design is seen to be by fans (despite being pretty anime-influenced for a guy who seemingly lives in the States, [[TropesAreTools though that's not necessarily a strike against him]]) and [[CrazyAwesome how over the top his antics are in the fourth game]], it works as a whole, though perhaps not ''as'' well as his other looks, the first and third games in particular. His "cowboy" outfit also features slight Italian touches to it which happen to match how Fortuna's Gothic architecture draws inspiration from TheRenaissance.
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* NarmCharm: The franchise practically runs on silliness. Of particular note is his costume in 4, ''4'', which includes ass-less and crotchless chaps, though given how stylishly "American" Dante's design is seen to be by fans (despite being pretty anime-influenced for a guy who seemingly lives in the States, [[TropesAreTools though that's not necessarily a strike against him]]) and [[CrazyAwesome how over the top his antics are in the fourth game]], it works as a whole, though perhaps not ''as'' well as his other looks, the first and third games in particular. His "cowboy" outfit also features slight Italian touches to it which happen to match how Fortuna's Gothic architecture draws inspiration from TheRenaissance.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: When it came out, reviews lauded the first game for its fast action and deep gameplay; today many players who try it find it kind of slow, clunky, and limited (not to mention the infamous [[DamnYouMuscleMemory triangle jump]]). It has the right to be, since it basically set all the foundations of the modern Beat 'em All genre, three years before ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' and Itagaki's ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden''.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: When it came out, reviews lauded the first game for its fast action and deep gameplay; today many players who try it find it kind of slow, clunky, and limited (not to mention the infamous [[DamnYouMuscleMemory triangle jump]]). It has the right to be, since it basically set all the foundations of the modern Beat beat 'em All all genre, three years before ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' and Itagaki's ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden''.

* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Devil May Cry 4 was released near the beginning of the Seventh Gen. To this day, it still looks damn good (on top of running at 60 FPS in an age where people would rather ignore playability for visuals). * WhatAnIdiot: Trish. [[spoiler:Taking a powerful sword capable of subduing the Prince of Darkness and handing it to a CorruptChurch is NOT a good idea.]] It may not necessarily be idiotic and possibly done because [[ItAmusedMe It Amused Her]]. Judging from the way she and Dante act throughout the course of the game, it was a stunt she pulled without his permission because it was fun. Considering that Dante is a OneManArmy {{Badass}} and will curbstomp the bad guys anyway, any entertainment is welcome. Yet Dante was right to respond to that by saying things will get messy: [[spoiler:we see human casualties in Fortuna City as a result of the villain having the necessaries to bring the Savior out, opting Agnus to release demons. It can be thought of, however, that by gaining the trust of the Order, Trish was able to ascertain that they were evil far quicker than if they investigated by normal means, which may have possibly lead to them becoming too powerful thanks to the progress of Agnus' research by the time they knew for sure, resulting in more deaths.]]
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Devil SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: ''Devil May Cry 4 4'' was released near the beginning of the Seventh Gen.seventh gen. To this day, it still looks damn good (on top of running at 60 FPS in an age where people would rather ignore playability for visuals). * WhatAnIdiot: Trish. [[spoiler:Taking a powerful sword capable of subduing the Prince of Darkness and handing it to a CorruptChurch is NOT a good idea.]] It may not necessarily be idiotic and possibly done because [[ItAmusedMe It Amused Her]].it amused her]]. Judging from the way she and Dante act throughout the course of the game, it was a stunt she pulled without his permission because it was fun. Considering that Dante is a OneManArmy {{Badass}} and will curbstomp the bad guys anyway, any entertainment is welcome. Yet Dante was right to respond to that by saying things will get messy: [[spoiler:we see human casualties in Fortuna City as a result of the villain having the necessaries to bring the Savior out, opting Agnus to release demons. It can be thought of, however, that by gaining the trust of the Order, Trish was able to ascertain that they were evil far quicker than if they investigated by normal means, which may have possibly lead to them becoming too powerful thanks to the progress of Agnus' research by the time they knew for sure, resulting in more deaths.]]

* WTHCostumingDepartment: For ''Devil May Cry 4'', Dante upgrades his wardrobe to include [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dante_4_4550.jpg cowboy boots and chaps.]] The guy's one step away from qualifying for the Music/VillagePeople.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: For ''Devil May Cry 4'', Dante upgrades his wardrobe to include [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dante_4_4550.jpg cowboy boots and chaps.]] The guy's one step away from qualifying for the Music/VillagePeople.
8th Sep '15 11:42:31 AM CyberXIII
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