History YMMV / BlazBlueContinuumShift

* BrokenBase:
** Bang being [[TheOtherDarrin Darrin'd]] as of ''CSII'' is a point of contention. Some don't care, citing that ''Creator/SteveKramer'' does a pretty good job (and is more accurate to the original Japanese when it comes to tone). Some say TheyChangedItNowItSucks, citing that ''Creator/TonyOliver'''s hamtastic performance was one of the biggest reasons for Bang's western fanbase.
** Continuum Shift II There are people who think that it's the most balanced version of the game yet, and then there are the people who despise the new metagame which, instead of rewarding you for stylish combos, now rewards you for getting your opponent in the corner and stunlocking them.
*** It got so bad that a lot of people didn't buy ''Extend'' because "it's the same game with only one new character and a rushed attempt at undoing the butchering of everyone's mid-screen game."

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Half the fanbase considered Litchi this especially after [[spoiler:her FaceHeelTurn]]. One base thinks it's good that she's finally in the main meat of storyline, another base think she's a complete idiot for [[spoiler:doing so]]. Another base thinks she's still tragic in [[spoiler:doing things she didn't want to]], and another base think her true nature is one of being [[spoiler:a completely selfish and obsessive bitch]]. In other words, read the SlidingScaleOfUnavoidableVersusUnforgivable. Some considers Litchi's actions to be in the 'Unavoidable' camp, the rest is in 'Unforgivable' camp.
*** ValuesDissonance is heavily in play here: Do you see her devotion to Arakune - to the point that she makes questionable decisions for saving him - as good, or too overdone? Do you see her not telling everyone her problems as a way of sparing them from the potential harm, or as a sign of her not trusting people that may be able to help her?
** Makoto as well. There's a camp for those who think she always will be the lovable squirrel girl, as well as taking over the 'MsFanservice and Good Morality Queen' throne when they think Litchi failed, there's also camp for those who thinks she hasn't beaten Litchi in that term. Then there's a camp who thinks her only purpose is for shameless fanservice. Then there's also a camp who thinks she's slowly growing into a dreaded Mary Sue.
** Hazama/Terumi himself! A 'shallow' bastard who's... [[LaughablyEvil fun, entertaining and hilarious]]? Or is he just so utterly atrocious that all those 'fun, entertaining and hilarious' factors get squished with extreme prejudice and he is a Villain Sue (much of these accusations coming in part from his overexposure and fans sick of him [[InvincibleVillain never losing inspite of them]]) who is devoid of positive qualities even for those beyond the fourth wall, ranking so high up there in depravity and unlikableness like [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Dr. Weil]] and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Akihiro Kurata]]?

* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** [[FanNickname Hype]] [[MemeticMutation Dog]], a white, fluffy dog in the background of a stage in ''CS'', is arguably as popular as the rest of the cast.
** Makoto seems to be really popular with both the fans and the producers, despite her limited screentime. When she got her screentime in ''Extend'', however...
*** Her variant of [[FountainOfYouth Amane's Astral]] is most frequently subjected to (thankfully worksafe) fan art. [[CutenessOverload No points for guessing why.]]
** Valkenhayn, like Jubei, he's been requested by many fans to become a playable character, and that wish has now come true.
** Even before Kokonoe was [[spoiler:revealed to have inherited her mother's talent for magic]], she was a fairly popular request to be playable. It helps that she ''is'' a direct descendant of two of the Six Heroes... She's even complained about the fact that she isn't playable yet in Valkenhayn's ''Help Me! Professor Kokonoe!'' segment.
** Jubei is one of the most requested [=NPCs=] to be a playable character, and probably ''the'' most requested now that Makoto and Valkenhayn are playable. It helps that he's now the only one of the Six Heroes who's still alive that hasn't been confirmed as a playable character. And no, [[spoiler: Phantom doesn't count. They haven't explicitly said she's Nine... yet.]]
** Relius, with the wake of the anti-Hazama protests (that Hazama becomes too oversaturated and nearing Villain Sue territory), becomes one, thanks to not yet being oversaturated. As well as his Astral and jokes about him being a [[Memes/StreetFighter "family man"]].

* BaseBreaker: Ever since her announcement, Platinum managed to take over all the thunder Makoto had gained from her's. This has been dying down as of late due to backlash, and because people are getting over the shock. Her hatred among part of the fanbase has fueled love for her among the rest for using her to TROLL her haters. The majority of her popularity is formed from her hatedom; a very odd case.
** Half the fanbase now considers Litchi this especially after [[spoiler:her FaceHeelTurn]]. One base thinks it's good that she's finally in the main meat of storyline, another base think she's a complete idiot for [[spoiler:doing so]]. Another base thinks she's still tragic in [[spoiler:doing things she didn't want to]], and another base think her true nature is one of being [[spoiler:a completely selfish and obsessive bitch]]. In other words, read the SlidingScaleOfUnavoidableVersusUnforgivable. Some considers Litchi's actions to be in the 'Unavoidable' camp, the rest is in 'Unforgivable' camp.

** Makoto as well. There's a camp for those who thinks she always will be the lovable squirrel girl, as well as taking over the 'MsFanservice and Good Morality Queen' throne when they think Litchi failed, there's also camp for those who thinks she hasn't beaten Litchi in that term. Then there's a camp who thinks her only purpose is for shameless fanservice. Then there's also a camp who thinks she's slowly growing into a dreaded Mary Sue.

** Three words: ''Continuum Shift II''. There are people who think that it's the most balanced version of the game yet, and then there are the people who despise the new metagame which, instead of rewarding you for stylish combos, now rewards you for getting your opponent in the corner and stunlocking them.
*** It got so bad that a lot of people didn't buy ''Extend'' because "it's the same game with only one new character and a rushed attempt at undoing the butchering of everyone's mid-screen game."
* BrokenBase: Bang being [[TheOtherDarrin Darrin'd]] as of ''CSII'' is a point of contention. Some don't care, citing that ''Creator/SteveKramer'' does a pretty good job (and is more accurate to the original Japanese when it comes to tone). Some say TheyChangedItNowItSucks, citing that ''Creator/TonyOliver'''s hamtastic performance was one of the biggest reasons for Bang's western fanbase.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Most character joke endings.

*** One of his biggest one includes [[spoiler:trapping Rachel beneath the ground, mocking her hopes of fixing events, and then kicking her full in the face for fun]]. Rachel [[{{Badass}} continues to snark at him the entire time]], at least until [[KickTheDog the boot to the head]].

* BrokenBase: Bang being [[ThatOtherDarrin Darrin'd]] as of ''CSII'' is a point of contention. Some don't care, citing that ''Creator/SteveKramer'' does a pretty good job (and is more accurate to the original Japanese when it comes to tone). Some say TheyChangedItNotItSucks, citing that ''Creator/TonyOliver'''s hamtastic performance was one of the biggest reasons for Bang's western fanbase.

** Speaking of, there's also [[spoiler:Relius Clover. While he is an extremely callous individual, everything he does, no matter how ghastly, is in the name of science. This ranges from his handling of the Clover ladies to the invocation of the Black Beast in ''That Which Is Inherited'' to even - gasp - the MindRape of Makoto Nanaya. Also, in his Arcade mode, he never acts aggressively towards his designated opponents, and he even warns Carl, the very son who has been unerringly hounding him for the entire story, not to throw his life away in such a mad pursuit. In Relius' Story mode (Darkness Visible), he gives Carl a glimpse of the world through his own viewpoint instead of coldly assailing him as seen in Carl's story. Is it possible that something befell Ada that moving her into Nirvana was necessary, and that events conspired to keep him from explaining to Carl? Maybe not, but that leaves the question where his [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] ends and the monstrosity begins]].

** Relius, with the wake of the anti-Hazama protests (that Hazama becomes too oversaturated and nearing VillainSue territory), becomes one, thanks to not yet being oversaturated. As well as his Astral and jokes about him being a [[Memes/StreetFighter "family man."]]

*** Terumi opened up the game crossing the line, but when [[spoiler:he shoves Noel into the Cauldron to turn her into a Murakumo Unit, or rather the ''Kusanagi'' Unit, that... that was it. That was the line, way back there.]] Made even worse by the fact that in ''Noel's'' ending, [[spoiler: he {{Mind Rape}}s her and erases her memories of everybody she ever knew or cared about. While laughing and mocking her feeble attempts to resist her temperament into Kusanagi.]]

*** Then there's Carl's bad ending in ''CS'', [[spoiler:where Hazama rips Ada apart while a helpless Carl cries and begs for him to stop. Hazama then picks up Carl by his collar, delivers a brutal "BreakThemByTalking" to him, and ends by killing Carl by tossing him into the Cauldron. It's non-canon, but still.]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight "Why so]] ''[[Film/TheDarkKnight serious]]'' [[Film/TheDarkKnight Carl Clover?"]]

*** [[spoiler:[[FromBadToWorse Made worse]] in both cases because you have to face, respectively, [[SNKBoss Unlimited Tsubaki and Unlimited Hazama]]. [[ThisIsGonnaSuck Have fun]].]]

* ThatOneSidequest: [[NintendoHard Score]] [[PerfectPlayAI Attack]]. Fucking {{S|NKBoss}}core [[LuckBasedMission Attack]]. The AI is ramped up in all the stages, making beating any of them a pain if you can't exploit them. Then you get the final four stages where you fight overpowered versions of 4 of the cast.

** In ''Continuum Shift 2'', we have Noel's best bud Makoto. With her ridiculously high damage output, high speed, good hit-stun and easy-to-use combos, many people complained when they found that Makoto could easily force them into the corner and then consistently hit them with 5-7k damage combos. She is considerably nerfed for ''Extend''.

*** Bang is hands-down the best character in this version, tied with Valkenhayn, Litchi, and Ragna. During the transition from ''CT'' to ''CS'' he gained several priority and damage buffs which made him able to beat out nearly all other attacks and get insane damage off of wallbounce combos. In addition, if a player knew how to use Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan, this could get even more ridiculous, with even longer and more damaging combos.

* MagnificentBastard: Anything bad that happens in the story of ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'', especially in ''Continuum Shift'', can be traced to none other than Terumi himself. Bonus points for being a Japanese take on SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker... Although as of late, his tendency to not keep his cool in case his plans just went off the rails even in a slight way makes him less magnificent to some.

** Speaking of, there's also [[spoiler:Relius Clover. While he is an extremely callous individual, everything he does, no matter how ghastly, is in the name of science. This ranges from his handling of the Clover ladies to the invocation of the Black Beast in ''That Which Is Inherited'' to even - gasp - the MindRape of Makoto Nanaya. Also, in his Arcade mode, he never acts aggressively towards his designated opponents, and he even warns Carl, the very son who has been unerringly hounding him for the entire story, not to throw his life away in such a mad pursuit. In Relius' Story mode (Darkness Visible), he gives Carl a glimpse of the world through his own viewpoint instead of coldly assailing him as seen in Carl's story. Is it possible that something befell Ada that moving her into Nirvana was necessary, and that events conspired to keep him from explaining to Carl? Maybe not, but that leaves the question where his [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] ends and the monstrosity begins.]]

** Makoto as well. There's a camp for those who thinks she always will be the lovable squirrel girl, as well as taking over the 'MsFanservice and Good Morality Queen' throne when they think Litchi failed, there's also camp for those who thinks she hasn't beaten Litchi in that term. Then there's a camp who thinks her only purpose is for shameless fanservice. Then there's also a camp who thinks she's slowly growing into a dreaded MarySue.
** Hazama/Terumi himself! A 'shallow' bastard who's... [[LaughablyEvil fun, entertaining and hilarious]]? Or is he just so utterly atrocious that all those 'fun, entertaining and hilarious' factors get squished with extreme prejudice and he is a VillainSue (much of these accusations coming in part from his overexposure and fans sick of him [[InvincibleVillain never losing inspite of them]]) who is devoid of positive qualities even for those beyond the fourth wall, ranking so high up there in depravity and unlikableness like [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Dr. Weil]] and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Akihiro Kurata]]?

* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: ''Continuum Shift Extend''. It's the game you already have, but with more single player content, a new online system that probably isn't all that different, and all the DLC you paid for is already in the game, either unlocked from the beginning or unlockable.

*** This is taken up another notch with his new Astral variant for Tsubaki, and the one for [[http://i.imgur.com/rFIRJ.jpg Bullet.]] As Makoto would say, "Come on, Colonel... what's up with that look?"

*** How he treats Tsubaki in the console version after [[spoiler:she loses her sight]]. For example, in ''Wheel of Fortune'', he gives her a [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Reason She Sucks Speech]], telling her that she does everything she does for others only because she wants to feel needed, and she only wants to be close to Jin because she wants him to need her, she's nothing if she doesn't feel needed, and that Jin doesn't care about her. This causes Tsubaki to ''break down in tears,'' at which point Hazama is satisfied with himself, and happily trots off. Oh, yes, and he had ''no reason whatsoever to do this''. Tsubaki was just unlucky enough to be in a conversation with him.

*** One of his biggest one includes, [[spoiler:trapping Rachel beneath the ground, mocking her hopes of fixing events, and then kicking her full in the face for fun.]] Rachel [[{{Badass}} continues to snark at him the entire time,]] at least until [[KickTheDog the boot to the head]].
*** Then there's Carl's bad ending in ''CS'', [[spoiler:where Hazama rips Ada apart while a helpless Carl cries and begs for him to stop. Hazama then picks up Carl by his collar, delivers a brutal BreakingSpeech to him, and ends by killing Carl by tossing him into the Cauldron. It's non-canon, but still.]] [[Film/TheDarkKnight "Why so]] ''[[Film/TheDarkKnight serious]]'', [[Film/TheDarkKnight Carl Clover?]]

*** ... You know what, look back at Hazama's opening movie. He just walks casually to the stage of Mu-12... activates the thing there... then cue to NOL branch, lots and lots of NOL soldiers, [[PunchClockVillain random Joes just doing their job and earning their living]], being reduced to orbs (those are their souls) and the orbs was sucked into that... thing to activate Mu-12. Cue the psychotic laughter of Terumi. [[spoiler:Long story short, Tsubaki's the only survivor of the Kagutsuchi branch still loyal to the NOL due to [[{{Brainwashed}} brainwashing]]. Noel defected after Ragna broke her tempering, Jin defected after the events of ''Calamity Trigger'', and if Makoto [[ReverseMole hadn't turned traitor prior to her arrival at the Kagutsuchi branch]], she sure did then.]]

*** Trapping his own daughter, Ada, inside the Nox Nyctores Nirvana, [[spoiler:MoralEventHorizon: abandoning his children, and leaving Nirvana half-done, so that poor Carl has to clean up the mess easily takes the cake]], then saddling his son Carl with Nirvana [[spoiler: knowing full well that it will slowly devour his emotions.]]
*** Using the knowledge he gained from his experiments on his daughter, he "perfected" his doll-making technique and [[spoiler: used his ''wife'' to make the new-and-improved version. Apparently with the help of Kokonoe.]]

** [[FanNickname Hype]] [[MemeticMutation Dog]].

* ThatOneSidequest: [[NintendoHard Score]] [[PerfectPlayAI Attack]]. Fucking [[SNKBoss Score]] [[LuckBasedMission Attack]]. The AI is ramped up in all the stages, making beating any of them a pain if you can't exploit them. Then you get the final four stages where you fight overpowered versions of 4 of the cast.

* NoYay: Makoto and Relius are all kinds of wrong when put in the same arena. Relius is, well, [[MemeticMolester Relius]], her variant of Altar of the Puppet is visually demeaning and vocally disturbing (listen to him talk, then let it set in), she clearly wants none of it, and then there's [[http://images.wikia.com/blazblue/images/a/a8/BBCSEXMakotoStoryIllustration02.png her Extend bad ending]] ([[BrainBleach apply directly to the cortex...]]). Is it any wonder she has a Particle Flare routine just for him?

** Surprisingly averted in Extend. Aside from Tager dealing massive damage if you get too close, none of the opponents are particularly threatening to someone with a modest amount of skill due to the lack of any Unlimited characters appearing. Some players even go in expecting it to be hell and leave with an easy victory.

** The same can apply to Jin, who was already annoying to fight in the prior game due to his "Ice Car", which was notably nerfed to a balanced level in the vanilla version of ''CS'' along with a heavy nerf to his freeze gimmick combos; instead, he gained buffs to his projectiles which made his keep-away game more insane than usual. By the time of ''CSII'' however, he had a few more technical chances which not only pushed him to top tier, but also made him less of a scrub character. ''Extend'' was said to have given him a few more nerfs for good measure.

*** Ragna's combos are extremely easy, last too long, and give him insane amounts of meter. This was all thanks to his nasty 2C that was one of the best Fatal Counter moves in the game, and his amazing Belial Edge before it got nerfed. The next iteration had him nerfed to the ground until he was more properly balanced in ''Extend''.
*** Valkenhayn is what happens when you combine all three big aspects of the above characters into one. He has excellent meter gain, a rather low learning curve, and has insane shenanigans with his wolf form. A basic combo with a super ender could deal somewhere within the 5000s damage-wise. And his expert combos can go up to around 8000.

** The same can apply to Jin, who was already annoying to fight in the prior game due to his "Ice Car", which was notable nerfed to a balanced level in the vanilla version of ''CS'' along with a heavy nerf to his freeze gimmick combos; instead, he gained buffs to his projectiles which made his keep-away game more insane than usual. By the time of ''CSII'' however, he had a few more technical chances which not only pushed him to top tier, but also made him less of a scrub character. ''Extend'' was said to have given him a few more nerfs for good measure.

** Ragna used to be this in ''Continuum Shift'' due to his new and powerful Fatal Counter 2C as well as his Belial Edge corner-carry combos, but he was quickly replaced in ''Continuum Shift 2'' by NOEL of all people due to his few but heavy nerfs (especially to Belial Edge). Later though, he was soon given a few new buffs in ''Extend'', where he's arguably one of the top-tiers due to his very simplistic rewards (decently-ranged normals with his usual solid combo potential and corner carry) on top of his new buffs. Unlike the other top-tiers however, Ragna in ''Extend'' wasn't so game-breaking, and at least was balanced.
** In ''Continuum Shift 2'', we have Noel's best bud Makoto. With her ridiculously high damage output, high speed, good hit-stun and easy-to-use combos, many people complained when they found that Makoto could easily force them into the corner and then consistently hit them with 5-7k damage combos. She is considerably nerfed for ''Extend''.

** Tager in ''Continuum Shift'' has surprisingly become this. We say surprisingly because he's ''low-tier'', but is widely hated by new players due to his high damage output and his Gadget Finger.
** In vanilla ''Continuum Shift'', Rachel is so hilariously underpowered that she's considered to be nigh unplayable.

** Although this is lessened by the fact she's the game's BreakoutCharacter and number one EnsembleDarkHorse, Taokaka took a drop in popularity in ''Continuum Shift'' for having the [[FanNickname Taunt Loop]], the game's only '''[[GameBreaker infinite combo]]'''. One mistake was all it took for a decent Taokaka player to repeatedly hit you with this combo until you died.

** Ragna used to be this in ''Continuum Shift'' due to his new and powerful Fatal Counter 2C as well as his Belial Edge corner-carry combos, but he was quickly replaced in ''Continuum Shift 2'' by NOEL of all people due to his few but heavy nerfs. Later though, he was soon buffed by a ton in ''Extend'', where he's arguably top-tier due to his very simplistic rewards (decently-ranged normals with his usual solid combo potential and corner carry) on top of his new buffs.

** Ragna used to be this in ''Continuum Shift'' due to his new and powerful Fatal Counter 2C as well as his Belial Edge corner-carry combos, but he was quickly replaced in ''Continuum Shift 2'' by NOEL of all people due to his few but heavy nerfs. Later games did bring him back to a more balanced level however.

** "Serpent's ''Infernal RAPTURE!''" (cue player swearing at the screen)

*** Ragna's combos are extremely easy, last too long, and give him insane amounts of meter. This was all thanks his nasty 2C that was one of the best Fatal Counter moves in the game, and his amazing Belial Edge before it got nerfed. The next iteration had him nerfed to the ground until he was more properly balanced in ''Extend''.

** Ragna used to be this in ''Continuum Shift'', but he was quickly replaced in ''Continuum Shift 2'' by NOEL of all people.

*** Ragna's combos are extremely easy, last too long, and give him insane amounts of meter. This was all thanks his nasty 2C that was one of the best Fatal Counter moves in the game, and his amazing Belial Edge before it got nerfed.

*** Hazama substitutes for Litchi in the fact that while he is the most difficult to play of the top tiers, he rewards players with amazing corner damage and meter gain.

*** Ragna's combos are extremely easy, last too long, and give him insane amounts of meter.

* AscendedMeme: Bang mentions "Ice Cars" after one storyline battle with Jin in ''Calamity Trigger Reconstruction''.
--> ''Stay back, my loyal subordinates! This is my fight, and you stand no chance against one who spams "Ice Cars" so frequently...''

* FanDisservice: There have been a few artists who have chosen to draw male characters, such as Ragna, Jin, Bang, Terumi, and Hakumen in Makoto Nanaya's outfit, the results of which are not pretty.

* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: ''Continuum Shift Extend''. It's the game you already have, but with more single player content, a new online system that probably isn't all that different, and all the DLC you paid for is already in the game, either unlocked from the beginning or unlockable. Add in the fact that Mori already said they want to work on a 3rd part, and now you have a lot of people unwilling to get the game because the aforementioned features being there from the start is essentially a big slap in the face.

*** The most hilarious instance of this, which was probably done intentionally, is when he beats Carl in his story mode. When he begins showing Carl the reason behind his actions, the camera kindly decides to ''[[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120114164437/blazblue/images/thumb/4/40/Relius_Clover_%28Story_Mode_Illustration%2C_1%29.png/1000px-Relius_Clover_%28Story_Mode_Illustration%2C_1%29.png zoom in on his crotch,]] which has an extremely visible bulge''.

*** In a true display of bastardry, [[spoiler: he outright mocks Tsubaki right after she dies in her bad ending, actually ''laughing at her for dying'']]. In the drama CD ''The Wheel of Fortune'', this gets even worse: [[spoiler: Not only does he mock Tsubaki for dying and laughs at her much like in her bad ending in ''Continuum Shift'', but he actually ''kicks her dead body''. '''''In the face'''''.]]

** Starting in ''Continuum Shift'', each character has a list of 10 challenges, and (with the exception of the first two, which teach you the special attacks your character has) each challenge consists of one or two combos. Some of these combos are short, sweet, and fairly easy to pull off. These combos are often placed in Challenge 3 or 4, or occasionally 5. Challenge 10 for every single character is hell itself. And god help the Arakune players...

** Aaand good luck with Unlimited Mars, where you fight against a marathon of Unlimited Characters... ''with highest difficulty''.

** Three words: ''Continuum Shift II''. There are people who think that it's the most balanced version of the game yet, and then there are the people who despise the new metagame which, instead of rewarding you for stylish combos, now rewards you for getting your opponent in the corner and raping them.

** In ''Continuum Shift 2'', we have Noel's best bud Makoto. With her ridiculously high damage output, high speed, good hit-stun and easy-to-use combos, many people complained when they found that Makoto could easily force them into the corner and then consistently rape them with 5-7k damage combos. She is considerably nerfed for ''Extend''.

** Relius, with the wake of the anti-Hazama protests (that Hazama becomes too oversaturated and nearing VillainSue territory), becomes one, thanks to not yet being oversaturated and possibly being the BiggerBad from Hazama. As well as his Astral and jokes about him being a [[Memes/StreetFighter "family man."]]

* MagnificentBastard: Anything bad that happens in the story of ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'', especially in ''Continuum Shift'', can be traced to none other than Terumi himself. Bonus points for being a Japanese take on SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker... Although as of late, his tendency to not keep his cool in case his plans just went off the rails even in a slight way makes him less magnificent to some. Interestingly, he's also of high VillainSue caliber.