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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and the actual deaths of [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]].
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and the [[CharacterDeath actual deaths deaths]] of [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]].
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness for his own ends, no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it (so he isn't being forgiven [[spoiler:just because he's one of the heroes' fathers]]), and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[ItsAllAboutMe for his own ends, ends]], no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it (so he isn't being forgiven [[spoiler:just because he's one of the heroes' fathers]]), and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[SelfishGood for his own ends]], no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it (so he isn't being forgiven [[spoiler:just because he's one of the heroes' fathers]]), and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[SelfishGood for his own ends]], ends, no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it (so he isn't being forgiven [[spoiler:just because he's one of the heroes' fathers]]), and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* FoeYay: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not… Apparently it's noticeable enough for even EmotionlessGirl Chun to remark on it: "Don't worry, we'll keep [Jia] well away from him. Wouldn't want to interfere with your own plans to have the stud all to yourself."
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* FoeYay: FoeRomanceSubtext: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not… Apparently it's noticeable enough for even EmotionlessGirl Chun to remark on it: "Don't worry, we'll keep [Jia] well away from him. Wouldn't want to interfere with your own plans to have the stud all to yourself."
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and [[KilledOffForReal the actual deaths]] of [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]].
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and [[KilledOffForReal the actual deaths]] deaths of [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]].
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[SelfishGood for his own ends]], no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it, and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[SelfishGood for his own ends]], no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it, it (so he isn't being forgiven [[spoiler:just because he's one of the heroes' fathers]]), and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Aside from the experiences of Xiulan and Chang noted on the main page which can seem like this (although no one in the story calls out Po and the rest of the Jade Palace crew for their early treatment of them, in the end it's clear their sufferings are as much their own faults and the villain's, not the heroes', everyone actually ends up treating them both much more sympathetically later, ''and'' they receive some happiness by the end), there is the backstory of [[spoiler:Po's father]] and his actions as a highwayman vs. how everyone (including Emperor Chen) reacted to what was done to him to set him on his path. It should be noted that the emperor did still agree punishment for [[spoiler:Bao]] was warranted, he likely would never have done the things he had if he hadn't been forced to desert, and there was much more going on with that bigoted general than it seemed on the surface. (Needless to say, having a general who would a) disobey direct orders b) mistreat the lower classes and c) use a particular troop's bloodthirstiness [[SelfishGood for his own ends]], no matter [[CreateYourOwnVillain what this might later turn him into in war (or civilian life!)]] with the excuse that "[[IDidWhatIHadToDo it was the only way]] [[CombatPragmatist to win]]" and "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters we have to win no matter the cost]]" is not something you want if you intend to be a good ruler without rebellions on your hands. And simply exiling the general while stripping him of his rank would not only have punished his innocent family, it would have left him alive and wanting revenge, likely to gather his own army and come to usurp the throne--[[TruthInTelevision something which actually happened]] [[ShownTheirWork fairly often in Chinese history]].) The author has gone on in his sequel vignettes to show [[spoiler:Bao]] not only hasn't gotten off scot-free but knows he did wrong and regrets it, and has also promised to show more insight into him and that general.
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* MoeMoe: Nearly every child in the story, including Tai Lung, but Yi especially stands out.
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* MoeMoe: {{Moe}}: Nearly every child in the story, including Tai Lung, but Yi especially stands out.
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:Vachir]]
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* CompleteMonster: Both Chao and Xiu take this trope and run with it gleefully. The acts Chao perpetrates are especially, and truly, unforgivable, and they only get worse as the story goes on. Countless murders (including of children), DemonicPossession, MoreThanMindControl, forcing friends and loved ones to kill each other, unleashing demons from the spirit world, necromancy, corrupting people's souls and intentions, planning to make PeoplePuppets of the whole world, all so as to live forever and force his vision of perfection on everyone else, pushing Tai Lung into committing his rampage... Xiu, meanwhile, killed her own father just for being "weak" and good, framed Jia for it so she could twist and manipulate her into obeying and serving implicitly as an assassin, longed to have the same powers Chao had so she could do the same things he did, poisoned countless soldiers who had been fighting the Huns, murdered her teacher, tried to manipulate Tai Lung into joining her with lies about his family (and also helped plants doubts regarding Shifu and Oogway's love and pride in him so he would fixate on the Dragon Scroll to earn them), nearly killed Po and Tigress, [[spoiler:did kill Zhuang]], loved the feeling of Chao's dark chi and wished to bathe in it when everyone else was sickened and terrified by it... And both of them enjoyed every bit of what they did, with no remorse or regrets, and no sign they could be redeemed or ever would be.
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* CompleteMonster: Both Chao and Xiu take this trope and run with it gleefully. The acts Chao perpetrates are especially, and truly, unforgivable, and they only get worse as the story goes on. Countless murders (including of children), DemonicPossession, MoreThanMindControl, forcing friends and loved ones to kill each other, unleashing demons from the spirit world, necromancy, corrupting people's souls and intentions, pushing Tai Lung into committing his rampage, planning to make PeoplePuppets of the whole world, all so as to live forever and force his vision of perfection on everyone else, pushing Tai Lung into committing his rampage... else... Xiu, meanwhile, killed her own father just for being "weak" and good, framed Jia for it so she could twist and manipulate her into obeying and serving implicitly as an assassin, longed to have the same powers Chao had so she could do the same things he did, poisoned countless soldiers who had been fighting the Huns, murdered her teacher, tried to manipulate Tai Lung into joining her with lies about his family (and also helped plants plant doubts regarding Shifu and Oogway's love and pride in him so he would fixate on the Dragon Scroll to earn them), nearly killed Po and Tigress, [[spoiler:did kill Zhuang]], loved the feeling of Chao's dark chi and wished to bathe in it when everyone else was sickened and terrified by it... And both of them enjoyed every bit of what they did, with no remorse or regrets, and no sign they could be redeemed or ever would be.
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* CompleteMonster: Both Chao and Xiu take this trope and run with it gleefully. The acts Chao perpetrates are especially, and truly, unforgiveable, and they only get worse as the story goes on.
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* CompleteMonster: Both Chao and Xiu take this trope and run with it gleefully. The acts Chao perpetrates are especially, and truly, unforgiveable, unforgivable, and they only get worse as the story goes on. Countless murders (including of children), DemonicPossession, MoreThanMindControl, forcing friends and loved ones to kill each other, unleashing demons from the spirit world, necromancy, corrupting people's souls and intentions, planning to make PeoplePuppets of the whole world, all so as to live forever and force his vision of perfection on everyone else, pushing Tai Lung into committing his rampage... Xiu, meanwhile, killed her own father just for being "weak" and good, framed Jia for it so she could twist and manipulate her into obeying and serving implicitly as an assassin, longed to have the same powers Chao had so she could do the same things he did, poisoned countless soldiers who had been fighting the Huns, murdered her teacher, tried to manipulate Tai Lung into joining her with lies about his family (and also helped plants doubts regarding Shifu and Oogway's love and pride in him so he would fixate on the Dragon Scroll to earn them), nearly killed Po and Tigress, [[spoiler:did kill Zhuang]], loved the feeling of Chao's dark chi and wished to bathe in it when everyone else was sickened and terrified by it... And both of them enjoyed every bit of what they did, with no remorse or regrets, and no sign they could be redeemed or ever would be.
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* FoeYay: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not…
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* FoeYay: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not…not… Apparently it's noticeable enough for even EmotionlessGirl Chun to remark on it: "Don't worry, we'll keep [Jia] well away from him. Wouldn't want to interfere with your own plans to have the stud all to yourself."
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* OneSceneWonder: Ning Guo the apothecary.
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* NeverLiveItDown ([[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-story): Played straight at first, but eventually averted. Tai Lung eventually forgives Po for humiliating him, and Tai Lung himself is eventually forgiven for his rampage, but not until after a great deal of time, soul-searching, and grudge-bearing.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped ([[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-story): While just about everyone gets to do this in the end, Shifu, Oogway, Po, and Tigress all especially have to beat it into Tai Lung’s skull repeatedly that he is not the Dragon Warrior, was never meant to be, and why--but also that this doesn’t doom him to be evil or mean his life and training are now meaningless. Also, when the time comes for Tai Lung to realize and accept [[spoiler:that he and Po are meant to be brother warriors who fight as two halves of a team, their abilities and personalities reflecting the Yin and the Yang,]] this fact is ground in for him by [[spoiler:Po’s fur colors]].
** In addition, any number of times the point was repeatedly made (whether to Tai Lung, Shifu, Tigress, or the villagers) that while powerful and terrifying, Heian Chao’s dark chi was always MoreThanMindControl--i.e., that he was only influencing flaws and negative character traits which were already there, to make people do what they secretly wanted to on some level. Which meant that even once Chao himself was gone, these traits and flaws still must be dealt with in the usual manner to prevent tragedy and suffering in the future--and that [[AvertedTrope no one he influenced]] [[GetOutOfJailFreeCard could be excused of their actions because of him]]. He encouraged and manipulated them, but in the end most of their choices were still theirs.
** In addition, any number of times the point was repeatedly made (whether to Tai Lung, Shifu, Tigress, or the villagers) that while powerful and terrifying, Heian Chao’s dark chi was always MoreThanMindControl--i.e., that he was only influencing flaws and negative character traits which were already there, to make people do what they secretly wanted to on some level. Which meant that even once Chao himself was gone, these traits and flaws still must be dealt with in the usual manner to prevent tragedy and suffering in the future--and that [[AvertedTrope no one he influenced]] [[GetOutOfJailFreeCard could be excused of their actions because of him]]. He encouraged and manipulated them, but in the end most of their choices were still theirs.
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* NightmareFuel: Plenty
** [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
** [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
** [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
** [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
** [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
** [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
** [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
** [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
** [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
** [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
** [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
** [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
** [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
** [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
** [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
** [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
** [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
** [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
** [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
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* [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Plenty
* [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
* [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
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* NightmareFuel: Plenty
* [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
* [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murdered goat.]]
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’ basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
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* [[spoiler:The gigantic demon.]]
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: [[spoiler:The possession of Vachir. The murdered goat. Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.” Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier sense. The Changs’ basement. Chao corrupting the Sacred Pool. Shifu’s premonition. The trial, and everyone as PeoplePuppets. Chao’s OneWingedAngel. Jia aging. The gigantic demon. Chao’s death.]]
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Plenty
* [[spoiler:The possession ofVachir. The Vachir.]]
* [[spoiler:The murderedgoat. Monkey’s goat.
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.” Qinghe, ”]]
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScariersense. The sense.]]
* [[spoiler:The Changs’basement. Chao basement.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the SacredPool. Shifu’s premonition. The Pool.]]
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone asPeoplePuppets. Chao’s OneWingedAngel. Jia aging. The PeoplePuppets.]]
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The giganticdemon. Chao’s demon.
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
* [[spoiler:The possession of
* [[spoiler:The murdered
* [[spoiler:Monkey’s RoomFullOfCrazy: “I like dead bananas.
* [[spoiler:Qinghe, in the NothingIsScarier
* [[spoiler:The Changs’
* [[spoiler:Chao corrupting the Sacred
* [[spoiler:Shifu’s premonition.]]
* [[spoiler:The trial, and everyone as
* [[spoiler:Chao’s OneWingedAngel.]]
* [[spoiler:Jia aging.]]
* [[spoiler:The gigantic
* [[spoiler:Chao’s death.]]
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* FoeYay: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not…
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Most of the naysayers, from Tigress to the various villagers, have rather good points regarding the possibility of accepting Tai Lung back into the Valley, either based on him truly having done reprehensible things which need to be acknowledged and punished or by raising very legitimate fears that such a thing could happen again if he did not learn to control his temper or wasn't truly attempting to redeem himself. While Chang and Xiulan fill such roles, Vachir in particular has a number of points since not only did he lose family members as the others did, he was actually the legitimate authority in charge of imprisoning and punishing the snow leopard. Even the fact that Chang was a misogynist, Xiulan a rather self-righteous and narrow-minded shrew of a wife, and Vachir was revealed to be a [[ColdBloodedTorture torturous]] bully (and that the latter two both got possessed and manipulated into truly heinous acts by Chao) did not change the ultimate sensibility of some of their points--something which Tai Lung himself acknowledged as he struggled to change, prove himself, and remain true to his new path. Deliberate and intentional by WordOfGod as part of the fic's GrayAndGreyMorality.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Most of the naysayers, from Tigress to the various villagers, have rather good points regarding the possibility of accepting Tai Lung back into the Valley, either based on him [[KarmaHoudini truly having done reprehensible things which need to be acknowledged and punished punished]] or by raising very legitimate fears that [[ChronicVillainy such a thing could happen again again]] if he did not learn to [[FatalFlaw control his temper temper]] or [[CivilianVillain wasn't truly attempting to redeem himself.himself]]. While Chang and Xiulan fill such roles, Vachir in particular has a number of points since not only did he lose family members as the others did, he was actually the legitimate authority in charge of imprisoning and punishing the snow leopard. Even the fact that Chang was a misogynist, Xiulan a rather self-righteous and narrow-minded shrew of a wife, and Vachir was revealed to be a [[ColdBloodedTorture torturous]] bully (and that the latter two both got possessed and manipulated into truly heinous acts by Chao) did not change the ultimate sensibility of some of their points--something which Tai Lung himself acknowledged as he struggled to change, prove himself, and remain true to his new path. Deliberate and intentional by WordOfGod as part of the fic's GrayAndGreyMorality.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Most of the naysayers, from Tigress to the various villagers, have rather good points regarding the possibility of accepting Tai Lung back into the Valley, either based on him truly having done reprehensible things which need to be acknowledged and punished or by raising very legitimate fears that such a thing could happen again if he did not learn to control his temper or wasn't truly attempting to redeem himself. While Chang and Xiulan fill such roles, Vachir in particular has a number of points since not only did he lose family members as the others did, he was actually the legitimate authority in charge of imprisoning and punishing the snow leopard. Even the fact that Chang was a misogynist, Xiulan a rather self-righteous and narrow-minded shrew of a wife, and Vachir was revealed to be a [[ColdBloodedTorture torturous]] bully (and that the latter two both got possessed and manipulated into truly heinous acts by Chao) did not change the ultimate sensibility of some of their points--something which Tai Lung himself acknowledged as he struggled to change, prove himself, and remain true to his new path. Deliberate and intentional by WordOfGod as part of the fic's GrayAndGreyMorality.
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* FoeYay: Heian Chao is just a little too obsessed with Tai Lung and making him his own, whether the snow leopard wants it or not...
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* FridgeBrilliance: Chao is the perfect antagonist for Tai Lung. Why? [[spoiler:Through corrupting and manipulating his chi, he intends to ‘take Tai Lung’s self away’. Not only is that at the heart of kung fu philosophy, it’s the problem Tai Lung had all along, not believing in himself so that he felt he would be nothing without the Dragon Scroll. Ergo, take away his self, and he’d immediately be back to the monster he was before.]]
* FridgeBrilliance: Chao is the perfect antagonist for Tai Lung. Why? [[spoiler:Through corrupting and manipulating his chi, he intends to ‘take Tai Lung’s self away’. Not only is that at the heart of kung fu philosophy, it’s the problem Tai Lung had all along, not believing in himself so that he felt he would be nothing without the Dragon Scroll. Ergo, take away his self, and he’d immediately be back to the monster he was before.]]
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* HoYay: Very much unintentional, but some might see this for Mantis/Monkey and Zhuang/Tai Lung, as well as Tai Lung and Po.
* LesYay: There seems to be a bit of this between Chun and Tigress in the final fight.
* LesYay: There seems to be a bit of this between Chun and Tigress in the final fight.
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** [[spoiler:Any scene where Monkey is feeling guilty for killing Mantis.]]
** [[spoiler:Any scene where Monkey is feeling guilty for killing Mantis.]]
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** When Tai Lung is attempting to 'lighten the mood' on the way to Chorh-Gom by helping Tigress and Shifu reconcile, Tigress has this to say: "And since when have you become an expert on entertainment and leisure? Did you take up clowning when I wasn't looking?" No...but as she'll discover, [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness Ping has]]. (And now that that image is in your head, just try and keep from imagining Tai Lung doing and saying all the things the goose did when Tigress was sick.)
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** When Tai Lung is attempting to 'lighten the mood' on the way to Chorh-Gom by helping Tigress and Shifu reconcile, Tigress has this to say: "And since when have you become an expert on entertainment and leisure? Did you take up clowning when I wasn't looking?" No...but as she'll discover, [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness as she'll discover]], [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110909082428/kungfupanda/images/0/02/Kungfupandamrclowntriestocheeruptigress.png Ping has]]. (And now that that image is in your head, just try and keep from imagining Tai Lung doing and saying all the things the goose did when Tigress was sick.)
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* HilariousInHindsight: Two moments.
** When Tai Lung is attempting to 'lighten the mood' on the way to Chorh-Gom by helping Tigress and Shifu reconcile, Tigress has this to say: "And since when have you become an expert on entertainment and leisure? Did you take up clowning when I wasn't looking?" No...but as she'll discover, [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness Ping has]]. (And now that that image is in your head, just try and keep from imagining Tai Lung doing and saying all the things the goose did when Tigress was sick.)
** In Chapter 38, Tai Lung's thoughts: "No one needed to know he'd been so caught up in romancing Tigress he might not have noticed if Po had started dressing up in a ''cheongsam''. ''Oh gods...why did I have to go there? Someone kill me now, please...or at least murder my imagination.''" Well it may not be a ''cheongsam'', but we have gotten to see Po dressed as a woman in "[[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness Ladies of the Shade]]". And Tai Lung's reaction is pretty apt.
** When Tai Lung is attempting to 'lighten the mood' on the way to Chorh-Gom by helping Tigress and Shifu reconcile, Tigress has this to say: "And since when have you become an expert on entertainment and leisure? Did you take up clowning when I wasn't looking?" No...but as she'll discover, [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness Ping has]]. (And now that that image is in your head, just try and keep from imagining Tai Lung doing and saying all the things the goose did when Tigress was sick.)
** In Chapter 38, Tai Lung's thoughts: "No one needed to know he'd been so caught up in romancing Tigress he might not have noticed if Po had started dressing up in a ''cheongsam''. ''Oh gods...why did I have to go there? Someone kill me now, please...or at least murder my imagination.''" Well it may not be a ''cheongsam'', but we have gotten to see Po dressed as a woman in "[[WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaLegendsOfAwesomeness Ladies of the Shade]]". And Tai Lung's reaction is pretty apt.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]], who were KilledOffForReal.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Somewhat subverted, for while neither [[spoiler:Tai Lung]] nor [[spoiler:Po]] die, a number of instances occur where it looks like they have or will, and such was the skill of the writing that none of the readers seemed to believe the author wouldn’t have the guts to kill them off. This may have been helped by other matters such as the DisneyDeath of [[spoiler:Mantis]] and [[KilledOffForReal the actual deaths]] of [[spoiler:Zhuang and Vachir]], who were KilledOffForReal.Vachir]].
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* NeverLiveItDown: Played straight at first, but eventually averted. Tai Lung eventually forgives Po for humiliating him, and Tai Lung himself is eventually forgiven for his rampage, but not until after a great deal of time, soul-searching, and grudge-bearing.
* RomanticPlotTumor (averted): Though Tai Lung and Tigress’s romance is important, particularly to his development as a character and his ability to resist the BigBad, and quite a bit of time is devoted to it, it was always planned to be so. At the same time, there’s much much more going on in the story than just this, as the length of this page can attest.
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: While just about everyone gets to do this in the end, Shifu, Oogway, Po, and Tigress all especially have to beat it into Tai Lung’s skull repeatedly that he is not the Dragon Warrior, was never meant to be, and why--but also that this doesn’t doom him to be evil or mean his life and training are now meaningless. Also, when the time comes for Tai Lung to realize and accept [[spoiler:that he and Po are meant to be brother warriors who fight as two halves of a team, their abilities and personalities reflecting the Yin and the Yang,]] this fact is ground in for him by [[spoiler:Po’s fur colors]].
* RomanticPlotTumor (averted): Though Tai Lung and Tigress’s romance is important, particularly to his development as a character and his ability to resist the BigBad, and quite a bit of time is devoted to it, it was always planned to be so. At the same time, there’s much much more going on in the story than just this, as the length of this page can attest.
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: While just about everyone gets to do this in the end, Shifu, Oogway, Po, and Tigress all especially have to beat it into Tai Lung’s skull repeatedly that he is not the Dragon Warrior, was never meant to be, and why--but also that this doesn’t doom him to be evil or mean his life and training are now meaningless. Also, when the time comes for Tai Lung to realize and accept [[spoiler:that he and Po are meant to be brother warriors who fight as two halves of a team, their abilities and personalities reflecting the Yin and the Yang,]] this fact is ground in for him by [[spoiler:Po’s fur colors]].
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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown ([[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-story): Played straight at first, but eventually averted. Tai Lung eventually forgives Po for humiliating him, and Tai Lung himself is eventually forgiven for his rampage, but not until after a great deal of time, soul-searching, and grudge-bearing.
* RomanticPlotTumor (averted): Though Tai Lung and Tigress’s romance is important, particularly to his development as a character and his ability to resist the BigBad, and quite a bit of time is devoted to it, it was always planned to be so. At the same time, there’s much much more going on in the story than just this, as the length ofthis the main page can attest.
*SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped ([[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-story): While just about everyone gets to do this in the end, Shifu, Oogway, Po, and Tigress all especially have to beat it into Tai Lung’s skull repeatedly that he is not the Dragon Warrior, was never meant to be, and why--but also that this doesn’t doom him to be evil or mean his life and training are now meaningless. Also, when the time comes for Tai Lung to realize and accept [[spoiler:that he and Po are meant to be brother warriors who fight as two halves of a team, their abilities and personalities reflecting the Yin and the Yang,]] this fact is ground in for him by [[spoiler:Po’s fur colors]].
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