History Webcomic / SweetJadeAndHellaJohn

* SpotlightStealingSquad: Dave during the beginning of [=IA4=]. Hell, even a bit after. "Sweet Rose and Hella Dave" ''was'' supposed to be focused on them, Roxy, and AR equally, and Rose and Roxy's plot does involve only them. However, Dave's part barley includes AR more than the other eight people that contacted him. The part from when the character select screen ended to when the perspective shifts back to John and Jade had Dave as almost entirley the main character, with the Lalondes barley getting any spotlight. This has since been dealt with by [[spoiler:making Dave a villain in Act 2... though from there he becomes more relevant and more of a threat than ''Rip'', the comic's designated main villain]]. Lampshaded when Dave and Rip have apparantly started a debate over relevancy.

** To give a more specific example, Jade is far from the nicest character in the roster (WordOfGod says she was writen to be a horrific inverse of fan fiction that simplifies her as a dependant, supernice cheerful girl) and compared to the cast of ''Homestuck'' canon she's only slightly better than Caliborn, yet compared to the bunches of sociopaths and murderers in SJAHJ she's practically a saint. She only kills people when it's in self-defense, in a BadFuture she attempted to revive Jane's boyfriend instead of her own, she very much cares for John (as evident by her insults being playful and not carrying a tone of spite or hitting low blows), and unlike the world-hating, in some cases [[FantasticRacism racist]] rest of the cast she's only unreasonably pissed off at ''one'' person who conveniently turned out to be evil anyway. In fact, if it wasn't for John, Jane, and Jake, she is very much a contender for one of the nicest characters in the comic.

** WordOfGod says that his stories can crossover with eachother with little to no bounds as long as it's not too stupid, and implied that crossover can only happen if it would make sense. He denied the John from Roxy's hallucination to be the canon John, and stated that if that were true than the [[spoiler:Leijon-immortality code]] would apply to ''Homestuck''.

** Pretty much every troll except Nepeta. WordOfGod stated that he even hates writting for them because he can't come up with anything for them that isn't walls of hemospectrum=racist, romance discussions, and plot exposition. Notably, Vriska, opposite of Nepeta, turns from one of the most important characters in ''Homestuck'' who deliberatly tries to force herself into the plot into an [[MyNameIsEarl Earl]] expy early on in the comic. [[RuleOfFunny This was intentional.]] Lamshaded in the Shipping Intermission when Tavros asks Vriska what the last big plan she had was. She answers with a long pause, followed by a "fuck you."

** This is probably the only ''Homestuck'' fan fic where [[spoiler:Pre-scratch Dave, Rose, and post-scratch Roxy, and Dirk]] are '''''all''''' villains. It really says a lot when the former three have done acts worse than what the trolls have done, especially given how some of the trolls are far from having clean slates. WordOfGod says that this was due to a lack of any [[spoiler:kid vs kid]] battlefics in the fandom.

* TeasingCreator: Mild example: The fan fic endlessly teases-but-they-aren't-a-couple-yet Prospitcest during the first few acts. Jade and Jude even almost kiss Jean at one point, before John brings up his relationship with Nepeta. But because of the polygamy-issue, Jean and Jade were now ''this'' close to being a couple in this fan fic. ''And then [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=794 this]] happens''. [[spoiler:The two finally ''do'' get together at the absolute very end. WordOfGod says that it was really more like throwing a bone for making so many John/Jade jokes so much and the pairing having a comparativley small following; he outright says that if it was more popular he would have ended the comic with their them not working out or with them ending their entire friendship just so he could fake-brag that he sunk John/Jade in more pages than canon did]].

* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** If the doodles during the Unite/Synchonize set of updates is any indication, Elitaa was supposed to be Jane's original patron troll, and Equius and Nepeta were going to share the role of John's. However, as revealed in Act 2 Intermission 1, Pikmin Fan simply ''stopped liking'' the idea of Elitaa and decided to make her unnotable, with John's patron apparantly being only Nepeta and Jane's being Equius. (Also, there was the concern of the elephant in the room that is Elitaa looking like a hybrid of John and Jade, with this hybrid developing a romantic intrest with their individual inspritation's canon ectomother.)
** Pikmin Fan stated that the war arc was to go in a completely different direction than it is now. For one, the classmates were supposed to be involved more.
** [[spoiler:Dave was originally going to undergo a heroic sacrifice -- if ''Hecksing Ulumate Crconikals'' would be any indication, it is likley that he was meant to be some sort of Alucard expy. However, the dialogue was written so that either making Dave an antagonist or having him run away are the only viable options that came to Pikmin Fan's mind at the time, so he went with the former due to finding it more interesting]].
** In the very first ending planned, [[spoiler:the kids were all set to live]] and it would end with them all playing ''Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures'' together. Other ideas for endings include Jade [[spoiler:still being kissed only she falls down the stairs afterward resulting in what would be the comic's sole true SBAHJ reference]], Jake [[spoiler:being the one John kisses instead, still falling down the stairs]], or a rather in depth-plan with [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding the Tricksters taking over the world and Tricksterizing everyone, ending with a shot of Vampire Dave in Hell looking at the events in horror, and Emoghost/Carrie appearing behind him shouting "AINT I A DICK?" for starting the Tricksterizing in the first place]]]].
** As revealed in the closing notes, this entire comic was originally supposed to be a drawn set of side-stories to a set of "intermissions" that would appear in certain chapters to other SBIG works, and it's just that he liked the idea of starting a fanventure so much he went with publishing SJAHJ first. However, he did not like the writting, and his fanfiction.net profile implied that the general ideas and concepts towards the intermissions would later become ''Housestuck Hurrcain Crconikals'' (which really shows seeing as it's currently the most explicit instalment, which isn't saying much) while ''Sweet Jade and Hella John'' itself gained a completely new identity.

* CountryMatters: Vampire Dave drops a c-bomb [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=1702 here]]. (Context contains spoilers.) Of course, he's refering to one of the most jackassish and perverted major characters whom he had a bitter rivalry with, so this would be expected. [[spoiler:Also, there's the matter that calling someone a "cunt" is the ''least'' troublesome of Vampire Dave's crimes]].
* CrackFic: It may be simpler, but it's arguably more confusing than ''Homestuck'' itself, due to the typoed (but still comprehensible) speech of most of the main characters, extremely frequent perspective switches and AnachronicOrder, and less concrete rules on reality in the universe. The fact that there are things you should be ''paying attention to'' makes it even worse, and the narrator frequently taunts you by asking if you remembered a certain character. Then there's the fine details, which include the main protagonists having a wide number of alter egoes each with an attempt at a unique personality (not counting the 600 alts), the main villain of Act 2 being a cosplayer who parodies NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, Aranea [[spoiler:eating a piece of wood and gaining Slender Man powers]], a one-sided romance between Hank Hill and a side villain from ''Hellsing'', and, most strangly, Mitt Romney coming out of nowhere on a flying elephant just to die.

** Dirk saying that the conflict between John and Dave is like that between [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Naruto and Saskue]], but with the hair colors flipped.
** A few signs pointed towards [[spoiler:Rose being Dave's girlfriend before the reveal at the end of Intermission Act Four's character select arc. For one thing, earlier in the story Dave told the trolls that he would get his girlfriend into the Mario game -- later, just before the reveal, Dave asks Rose if she can enter using the tank]].

* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: So there's the Blue and Yellow Team[[note]]Divided into four kids, their gender flipped counterparts, one copy of one of the kids with fire powers, one copy of another with ice powers, a blue demon copy with water powers, a vampiric version of the same kid as with a zombie and [[spoiler:Trickster]] version, another [[spoiler:Trickster]] to the first kid and his "inner female self," and loads and loads of alternate versions of them too. 600 of them to be exact. The epilogue implies that this number has since been increasing.[[/note]], the four "Derse" kids/the Red and Red Team, AR, Dove, twenty six "regular" troll kids, twelve ectoclones of one of the trolls, four "major" members of the Fox Crew, twelve "side" members of the same group, the Revenge Five, seventeen members of the Millennium, two Simpsonians UU and uu(/Edith and Edmund Quimby), eight human ancestors, thirteen troll ancestors, odd ones out Good Yoshi and Spongebob, and countless parts of the Mario game such as The Evil, The Princess, and the other seven world bosses. The comic started out with just John, Jade, Good Yoshi, and a cameo by Hank Hill, but in Intermission Act 2 the cast exploded, and it exploded again in Intermission Act 4 onwards.

* WalkingSpoiler: [[spoiler:Dave, Aranea, ''Dove'', and the Tricksters]], the latter two groups had their existance being spoilers. The counterparts ''were'' this, going by up to Intermission Act Three (they were hinted at back when John and Jade finally met with Jane and Jake; between John springing his into existance and the actual counterpart's appearance was an entire 70+ page intermission), though now they're not quite.

* CrapsaccharineWorld: Arguably the entire comic. It's bright and most, if not all of the events are PlayedForLaughs, but... it also contains everything in that large block of spoiler in "BlackComedy" above.

* BlackComedy: Showed up occasionally at first, then pretty much dominated the plot of Act Two. [[spoiler:One of John's longest best friends Dave has undergone a complete mental breakdown, and Rose, Roxy, ''and'' Dirk slipped with him. Dave is essentially commiting acts of terrorism by unleashing an army on a school, at least one member of which gets mauled to death by a dog from before. The only group of heroes, as everybody else is either dead, mind controlled until they couldn't do a thing about their situation, or evil from the start, is constantly mocked by one of their own members that repeatedly sexually harasses her own sister to the point of implied insanity. Said member's entire family is screwed up, with both of the major children having actual incestuous feelings and their caretaker having been watching his parents sleep with different people right in front of him. An alternate John has been brainwashed into Trickster Mode, and later on an alternate Jade suffered the same fate, staying that way for at least months with only the slightest signs of their condition improving. Finally out of what's notable, Jade's little issues with Karkat? Eventually Cumulates in a copy of Jade ''shooting him and ripping him in half'' before familiarizing half of him, implied to be a FateWorseThanDeath as all he can do is flail around in that half body of his until the Red and Red Team themselves finally (though accidentally) put him out of his misery by blowing up the familiar so that his soul can finally go to the Afterlife, of which he's sent to (the) Hell(s) for apparantly trying to come up with evil plans and he's abused at least once by the Blue and Yellow Team members that volunteered to help out]]. All of this is PlayedForLaughs.

* BrickJoke: Towards the very beginning, John has a friends and enemies list with very few entires on either of them, one of the "enemies" being "Wolf Head." This seems to be a reference to the wolf head that haunts Andrew Hussie's self insert in canon, but John refuses to elaborate on that. In the epilogue, [[spoiler:one of the three bank robbers resembles the wolf head pasted on the "base" body, and is implied to be the same Wolf Head on the list]].

* BookEnds: Interestingly three of these examples occured at nearly the same time.
** [[spoiler:Hank's flaming sword is what ultimatley causes the first on-screen death (Doctor) the the last on-screen death (Rip), as noted by one of the titles]].

* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness:
** The beginning of the story is quite different compared to what it has became. The first intermission act and the first chunk of the second focus a lot more on randomness for humor, with very little of the actions actually coming up again. Around the very first character select to Sweet TROLLS and Hella MORE TROLLS, the plot becomes a lot more structured and the adventure, as hard as it may be to belive, takes itself a little more seriously [[ChekhovsGun and events and characters from before starts becoming relevant]]. However, around the boss fight of Intermission Act Three, the adventure reverts back towards comedy and keeps up the hijinks, albeit keeping the plot organized. Even the formatting is different now: With the command arrows since becoming longer during Intermission Acts 3 and 4 and Act 2 Act 2 as alter-egos to John/Jade/Jane/Jake are added (though this has since reverted) and the Mario Intermission actually ''ending'' at one point -- eliminating the "[I]" tags that are on over 900 pages, plus Jade's cheat code that makes it so that commands don't refer to characters by initials anymore, it could be easy for one who made it up to [=IA3=] but before the mass alter-ego creation to look at the "latest commands" on the mirror and think that pages of another adventure were accidentally uploaded instead of this.

** Far worse than Dave is Jade, as seen [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=2414 here]]. Probably the only fanwork in the ''Homestuck'' fandom where Jade in her underwear is pure FanDisservice. Similar to Dave, she lacks long sleaves and pant legs for the first time in the comic, and it turns out all four limbs are arguably even hairier than Dave's legs, including her armpits. And she drools. And she's a messy cheeto-eater.
* HalfTheManHeUsedToBe: How [[spoiler:Vriska, Tavros, and Karkat die in the Shipping Intermission]]. Also Cleveland slices Zorin in half with her own scythe. Jaka slices Zorin in half ''again'' after she is brought back to life by Jan, except this time it's horizontally instead of vertically. [[spoiler:Karkat's "main" instance is ripped in half post-death by Vampire Jade]].

* BigStupidDoodooHead: Frequently.

* UnfortunateCharacterDesign: Not so much a constant, but at one point early in the story Karkat and Jade are running from the Waterwraith. Karkat looks naked during this.

** Within the fan fic, Elitaa and possibly Puerco. Elitaa was at first ''quite'' the spotlight taker and her introduction and surrounding initial mysteries heavily took up most of ''Sweet TROLLS and Hella MORE TROLLS''. There was even a segment where she wandered around the yellow ship and looked at what all of the trolls there were doing; unfortunatly, nobody suggested, so that didn't go anywhere. She's now a LivingProp who hasn't made a physical, non-cameo appearance in over several hundred pages, and never really contributed to the plot. (Everything she did was tied directly with another character, such as destroying the T-800s with Eridan.) The "possibly" for Puerco is only because she was almost never important at all and is one of the few characters who didn't actually contribute anything to the story.

* HandOrObjectUnderwear: At one point, Homer Simpson (who is giant and naked) covers his crotch with Jade and Jake's bedroom. Unfortunatley, the window is right over his crotch, giving everyone in the room [[CensorBox but the viewers]] a full view.

* StylisticSuck: And yet, it doesn't use [=JPEGs=] until the last page before the end of Intermission Act 3. And it barley uses them since.

** Edith and Edmund (mostly the former) lose many of their traits from Calliope and Caliborn and become pretty obvious jabs at modern ''Simpsons''. Edmund in particular parodies a number of things, including how ''Simpsons'' has very outdated parodies at one point. (Where Vampire Dave notes that an ''Film/{{Inception}}'' reference would already be outdated. That part of the comic [[WebcomicTime takes place a few months]] ''before'' the actual episode that parodies said movie.

* TitleDrop: While the comic's name was refered to sixteen times throughout the narration, those particular 16 times were always through some metaspeak and always refering to the comic itself somehow. However, it's not until page 2,489 (the eight to last page in the whole comic) that the title gets dropped and ''not'' in part of meta humor: [[spoiler:When John overreacts ''and'' misunderstands the mistletoe play set up by Jenn, he launches into a huge rant about how Jade is really nicer than she looks, and eventually Jade goes into a shorter speech about how John is smarter than he looks. Eventually they start alternating lines, ending with John saying Jade is really sweet and Jade saying John is hella cool. Then, they say that beyond the bond of the 34 chumhandle users, or the eight humans, or the four good twin humans, or the Arlen survivors, or even the Blue and Yellow Team, there is the bond between Sweet Jade and Hella John. To emphasise this, they title drop at the same time, and unlike other instances of simultanious speak in both SJAHJ and canon, instead of being written on the same line, it's given the same script entry, written as "JOHN/JADE:" while the "SWEET JADE AND HELLA JOHN!" alternates between blue and green]].

* UnfortunateChaarcterDesign: Not so much a constant, but at one point early in the story Karkat and Jade are running from the Waterwraith. Karkat looks naked during this.

** The zoomouts, starting in Act 2 Act 2 from when Roxy [[spoiler:unleashes the Curser Women by blowing up the magic door slealing them in their dungeon]]. Basically, [[spoiler:Dirk found a possible weakness for Dave, Damara seems to be working with Aranea, and clouds from World 4 -- revealed to be used as a stand-in for ''Skaia'' -- are showing John standing in a rainy area holding a shield that wasn't even ''made'' yet, Jade meeting up with all of her alter-egos seen so far including the previously unseen Blue Demon Jade, Jake during the Curser Woman fight (only himself and the roof of the restroom he's standing on is visible, as in the actual panel it happens in), and Jane ''using the chaos emeralds to enter super form''. Those four events are all things that will occur later on the same subact. A fifth cloud shows Robosanta's ghost meeting with the ghosts of Hank Hill and Integra Heck, and then it cuts to events such as Geromy working on God tiering Jeff and that the multiverse is part of a tree in Black Hell are shown to wrap it up.]]
** The span between [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=1786 HH: Return.]] and [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=1801 Aranea: Eat.]] (Plus the pages following the latter.) The very page ending SJAHJ's second and longest hiatus, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall hence the "return,"]] and [[spoiler:it turns out that Aradia had been killed offscreen, which starts the chain of troll deaths. Not just because she's the first troll to die, but because she uses her ghost powers to give Aranea that copy of Plank from ''Ed, Edd n Eddy''. However, this Plank is shown to be a rather powerful ArtifactOfDoom after Aranea eats it, turning her into a freakish MultiarmedAndDangerous creature that proceeds to assimilate the trolls. This is especially WHAM because [[KilledOffForReal they do not get better,]] and in fact they die after Aranea herself is killed, making this the first time in the comic that "player"-type characters are killed for good]].

* BewareTheNiceOnes: [[spoiler:Aranea turns out to be a real asshole.]]

* [[spoiler:TheBigDamnKiss: Between Dave and Rose after their character select paths meet, accompanied by a random rainstorm and a lightning strike. Dave and Rose's kiss is mirrored during Act Two Act One with Dirk and Sollux, for laughs, and towards the very end of the comic there's a literal big kiss between John and Jade. (Which does ''not'' have a lightning bolt occuring, but ''does'' take place in an exceptionally large panel [[RuleOfSymbolism the size of the Jake/Dirk and Rose/Kanaya kisses in the canon comic.]])]]

* StaircaseTumble: Oddly averted. In fact, one of the thread titles was "where stairs are surprisingly friendly."

** [[spoiler:Trickster John]]: The Moron
** [[spoiler:Trickster Jade]]: the Suga Fuga
** Blue Demon Jade: The Object of Jake's Desires
** Jenn: The Mentalist

* TheyKilledKennyAgain: Jade has died '''[[spoiler:FOUR]] TIMES''' over the course of the story, and always came back. All of which are due to her 7up.
* KilledOffForReal: Most of the characters who died post-Mario Intermission. Specifically: [[spoiler:The entire Fox Crew, the entire Millennium, every troll that isn't a Leijon, Dave, Rose, Roxy, Dirk, both Simpsonians, carapace (those that aren't killed in the WarArc were killed in the Mario session explosion), and the entire Revenge Five (who amusingly didn't start dying off until Intermission Intermission 2, right after the "main" Mario Intermission)]].

* TheGhost: [[RealLifeWritesTheplot Due to not being seen in the comic outside of sillouette at the time of writting several pages of the story]], the "good twin" trolls aside from Aranea and Meenah have not been seen for some time. They haven't even been involved in pesterlogs due to their quirks not being revealed back then, until they became necessary to the plot, wherein Damara's has been guessed. (The irony is that Pikmin Fan's guess of her personality was not too far from how it actually turned out.) Elitaa's hasn't either, but she has no real excuse due to being an original character.

* ReferenceOverdosed: To an absurd degree, even after the crossover character's importance (except Rip's) began dying down. To give a few examples, there's been references -- not crossover -- to things such as ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay''[[note]]Aranea's context sensitive die[[/note]], ''VideoGame/YumeNikki'', ''Film/SuperheroMovie'', and even the edutainment game ''Pumpkin World'', the latter of which's only redeeming factor was the "Hungry Pumpkin" meme. (Which was what was being referenced.)

** This is probably the only ''Homestuck'' fan fic where [[spoiler:Pre-scratch Dave, Rose, and post-scratch Roxy, and Dirk]] are '''''all''''' villains. It really says a lot when the former three have done acts worse than what the trolls have done. WordOfGod says that this was due to a lack of any [[spoiler:kid vs kid]] battlefics in the fandom.
*** [[spoiler:Between Dave and Roxy specifically, it's hard to tell who got it harder. On one hand, Dave eventually loses any of his recognizable traits (except for the appearance of his pants on the "default" Homestuck sprite, though that's due to lazyness) and becomes a murderous sociopath who kills his former best friends' guardians without batting an eye, and attempts to lead the armies of Prospit and Derse to destroy Earth. He also led a raid against a ''middle school'', though it was really just to get at the Blue and Yellow Team. On the other hand, Roxy is arguably even more crazy, has an implied "if I can't have them, nobody can" adittute towards both Dirk for herself ''and'' in regards to the other three couples she "ships", ships based on absolutely no reason at all, got an added social anxiety where trying to talk to guys while sober can result in her ''pissing herself'', and spends a large sequence using rage powers (not the same as the canon aspect) to rise from the dead and kill people because some ''clones'' of them got into relationships that she didn't like. To rub salt into the wound, she is the ''only'' human kid to not end up in a relationship. It all comes down to quantity (Dave) vs quality (Roxy)]].
* RuleOfSymbolism: (FIRE) John protects Jade from getting his by Red/Flushed miles, then Dave protects both of them from getting hit with miles of the same color. Then [[spoiler:Dave and Jade are suddenly hit with Caliginous Miles]]. John/Jade and John/Dave have been teased a lot, yet Dave and Jade don't really work as a couple in that universe.

* BlackComedy: Showed up occasionally at first, then pretty much dominated the plot of Act Two. [[spoiler:One of John's longest best friends Dave has undergone a complete mental breakdown, and Rose, Roxy, ''and'' Dirk seem to be slipping with him. Dave is essentially commiting acts of terrorism by unleashing an army on a school, at least one member of which gets mauled to death by a dog from before. The only group of possible heroes, as everybody else is either dead, mind controlled, or evil from the start, is constantly mocked by one of their own members that repeatedly sexually harasses her own sister to the point of implied insanity. An alternate John has been brainwashed into Trickster Mode, and later on an alternate Jade suffered the same fate, neither of which have any signs of their warped thinking ending soon]]. All of this is PlayedForLaughs.

* CosmicDeadline: The comic isn't exactly ''over'' quite yet, but it's on the second to last portion of the epilogue so all of the important parts of the plot have been resolved. The second portion of Act Two Act Two onwards has a much higher and more permanent death count as several plots were being resolved at that point, quite a few of them being resolved at the same time.

* CosmicDeadline: The comic isn't exactly ''over'' quite yet, but it's on the second to last portion of the epilogue so all of the important parts of the plot have been resolved. The second portion of Act Two Act Two onwards has a much higher and more permenant death count as several plots were being resolved at that point, quite a few of them being resolved at the same time.

** All of the alter egoes. All of them. Whether to their originals (IE Jude to Jade) or to another one ([[spoiler:the Tricksters to... eachother]]).

* FiveTokenBand: Ethnicities have been hinted at here and there, or outright revealed in the very rare "in color" pages, but Spongebob's Shipping Grid provides a handy image: [[http://i.imgur.com/ZGCN1.png The Striders are blondes with the same pinkish skin color used for Hank Hill (and most Millennium members), the Lalondes are black blondes, the Egberts are Latino, and the Harleys have the same skin tone as the Striders, but with the same hair color as Rip.]]
* FluffyCloudHeaven: Averted. Heaven, at least the portion seen, resembles a peaceful field. [[RuleOfSymbolism That's drawn with the text colors of John (cloud outlines), Jade (general grass), Jane (sky/atmosphere), and Jake (tall blades of grass sticking up)]].

** In Intermission Act Four, when one of Dave's dreamselves finally meets up with Rose and Roxy, Roxy teases that she will try to steal one of the four quest gatorade containers and force Dave to drink it, making a female version of himself that Roxy presumes Jade will fall in love with. Given that Intermission Act Three was ''all'' about John, Jade, Jane, and Jake on thier inward journey and each of them drank their gatorade, "Dame Strider" never came to be. [[spoiler:(Though ''Dove'' sure as hell did. Briefly before dying, yet getting a permentant ghost.)]] The funny thing is, given Dave's ability to charm anyone regardless of sexuality, that wasn't even really necessary.

** The Shipping Intermission. It starts out... [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=383 bizarre]], but harmless. Then Dave gets into a fight with Dirk's Auto Responder. [[spoiler:And then the deaths start happening. More (of the evil twin/post-scratch) trolls are permenantly killed off than in ''Homestuck'' canon so far, and two of the humans die as well. And that's ''before'' the nuke hits and kills everyone else off, including the previously unseen good twin trolls.]]

** FirstLawOfGenderBending: Played straight and inverted. Two guys and two girls each get a genderbended counterpart, and the female-to-male ones seem no less "permenant" than the male-to-female ones.

* StatusQuoIsGod: The Mario Intermission was rather static for the most part; none of the human kids or troll kids die permenantly, and the Fox Crew and Millennium keep killing off members of eachother only for them to come back. [[spoiler:However, in Intermission Act 4, Fox Crew deaths became "permenant," and during Act 2 all of the group in question die]].

* SuperPowerLottery: Thanks to being an expert at utilizing dreamselves, Dave can fly, replicate, teleport, time travel, conjure objects (sometimes temporarly, but permenant exaples extend to ''all of Prospit''), can instal Pesterchum into his dreamselves which allows him to have conversations with anyone at ''literally'' any time since he can communicate ''across time'', his dreamselves can ''hack'' into Pesterchum conversations and see what anyone is saying at any point, there's potentially even more dream-abilities not covered, and many of these things he can even do at the same time. With his own smarts he is capable of making size-altering fields, nine mini planets enhabited by very resistant bosses, and even exploit a system that lets you ''permenantly'' copy yourself and/or come back from the dead; and he held a hand in making the replicating, gender bending Quest Gatorade as well as the ''Mario'' powerups, including this comic's rather overpowered iterations of the Fire and Ice Flowers. With the addition of becoming vampirized, he also weilds super strength and speed, and can raise people back from the dead, as well as having generally higher resistance. And ''then'' he gets [[spoiler:the Mangekyo Sharingan]]... And this is all in a series where characters who aren't [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] usually get one generic and limited superpower (such as pyro/cyrokinesis) at most and where the four main leads don't have any real permenant abilities to speak of.

fuck that bullshit dave did. he was kind of just ineffective anyway

* WillTheyOrWontThey '''''John and Jade'''''. Just fueled by Spongebob lampshading this whenever pestering them or their counterparts: "[=HAVE YoU FUCKED (JADE/JoHN) YET?=]" Even worse, ''twice'' it was mentioned that alternate versions of them had hooked up, and to add fuel to the fire one of them seems to be working out while the other one hooked up and broke up offscreen.

* GoofyPrintUnderwear: Jade wears boxers with what looks like a number of blue slime ghost patterns on them, and her undershirt has the same kind of blue slime ghost pattern as John's overshirt.[[note]]The fact that Jade actually has a blue slime as one of her shirt designs in canon lightly discourages questions. However the fact that prior to this scene she was only seen wearing the atom pattern with no implication of the wardrobifier (Rip has one though) might raise those same questions again.[[/note]] Near the end it's stated that the underwear was actually a ''gift from John'', and he also has a matching green set he wears too.

** [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=791 This]] four-page sequence, at the time. The comic skirts around John/Jade quite often [[spoiler:and then Rose and Dave kiss]]. Aranea (and whoever runs the TV) ''rubs this into the reader's faces'' in Act Two Intermission One. [[spoiler:To be fair, there has been a 'heafty'' amount of foreshadowing for the kiss beforehand.]]

--->'''Great Pikmin Fan:''' Um so yeah. In order news Karkat basically telling John and Jade to go fuck themselves ended up saving the universe I think.

* ShipSinking: This adventure has a nasty habit of axing FanPreferredCouple[=s=], to the extent that Pikmin Fan actually wishes the reader good luck at the opening Author's Notes. At the rate this comic is going, the only possible endgame couples involving the humans are Dave/Rose, John/Jade, and/or Jane/Jake, and even then none of those three look too shabby. (Except for the former, which ironically [[spoiler:contains the ''least'' stable character when Act Two Act One ends]].)

** Nepeta/Karkat after the former realizes the latter is dating a human. Prior to this, there was actually some chance of them getting together, assuming Nepeta breaks up with John first. [[spoiler:Which ''does'' happen, but much later]].

** Every ship with a kid and their patron troll from canon, except possibly John/Vriska [[spoiler:assuming Vriska and Tavros's relationship hits a fault]]. (Which at this rate is impossible regardless; after all, [[RuleOfFunny what's so funny about couples people actually]] ''want'' hooking up? And now [[spoiler:Vriska and Tavros are dead together and John has no immediate and obvious way of accessing her until he dies himself]]) Dave has Terezi blocked due to an unseen death threat and Rose does not appear ammused at Kanaya when she's stoned. Both of these happened ''before'' [[spoiler:Dave and Rose start trying to kill everyone else]]. And let's not even get '''''started''''' on Jade/Karkat.
*** More spefically, Rose/Kanaya during a... sort-of flashback. Whatever [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=1142 this drug trip]] can be considered. And now [[spoiler:Davosesprite (without the Rose part) asked Rose to flat-out kill Kanaya because she suspects them of attempting to get Jade killed. ''And Rose actually attempts to murder her'', which only fails because Kanaya managed to fend herself off just in time, which also very intentionally led to Rose's death.]]

** Jade being a lesbian. Although according to her, [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=526 there are ways around it....]] And then there's the several implications that she's only actually bisexual. [[spoiler:Her Ice self dating Fire John is without a doubt the biggest implication]].
*** ...And Dave/Jade specifically [[SerialEscalation blows all of the above examples out of the water, even the three out of four patron ships.]] [[spoiler:Dave (and possibly Rose) pretty much has urges to kill Jade, and whenever he's blamed for actually attempting to kill her, he gets someone to kill the person who blames him.]] Not counting how Jade probably thinks Dave is completely and utterly pathetic, and at one point her vampire ego insults him almost as bad as she insults Karkat. '''''Even more,''''' their hidden hatred was what kicked off the main plot for the last pages of Act 2 Act 1 and all of the plot in Act 2 Act 2 so far. Even though this all happened ''after'' Karkat's "corrections" to Roxy's shipping grid occured, it's really no wonder why in hindsight Karkat's comment on that pairing in this universe was just "NOPE."
** [[spoiler:Any and every possible human Prospit Dreamer/human Derse Dreamer ship. If the attempted murder of Kanaya wasn't a sign that Dave and Rose crossed the line, then them and Roxy and Dirk destroying a Middle School did.]]

** "[[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=1380 And thus, Sponge8o8's first conversashin from his perspective.]]" Not the conversation itself, but the image. "It's War" ''indeed.'' Worse, Fire John is shown to ''like'' being involved with [[spoiler:his battle against Dave]].

** Prior to the Shipping Intermission, the "evil twin" designation to Jane, Jake, and to a lesser extent Dirk and Roxy seemed to be a lot more literal. John seems to be genuinley annoyed by Jane and acts rather unsympathetic towards her (willingly punching her and not caring if he kicks her in the groin in his sleep) -- something unthinkable once their ''past'' as an actual set of twins raised together with no obvious complications is revealed. The fact that neither of them are on John's friends/enemies list makes this more confusing. It's only around Intermission Act Three (or arguably said subintermission) that their rivalry is more or less ret-conned as a friendly sibling thing.

** Dave's inner female self/Dove.

* PurpleProse: The "Trifold Battles" ([[spoiler:Jane Vs Rose, Jake Vs Roxy, and Jade Vs Dirk]]) are described in extremely long tales written in logs, something nothing else in the adventure before or after hand. [[GenreShift It's also the only point that's written like an actual third person story, using quote marks and lacking colored text and quirks.]]

* CurbStompBattle: The [[spoiler:first]] battle against The Evil just consists of a two-panel gif of John and Jade attacking him. [[spoiler:He escapes with low health, and fuses with a shipperworm and the Chinese Food Black Hole. But that form is killed off by Good Yoshi, transforming him into Boshi, making it another curb-stomp.]]
* CutAndPasteComic: It had been using sprites taken directly from ''Homestuck'', but use of them has been slowly tonning down. Of note, Karkat's one pose during an argument between him, Elitaa, Terezi, Feferi, and Eridan is repeatedly copy-pasted into other panels where he's really angry. [[spoiler:As a joke, this is also the image representing him when he dies.]] This trope is '''''especially''''' used in the parts involving the Fox Crew/Millennium. It was even worse during the part before the author actually drew sprites for them, since images were straight up ripped from Google, ''Webcomic/SherlokHolms'' style.

** [[invoked]] "Blue Demon Jade," an alter-ego of Jade spawned by [[spoiler:Trickster Jade]]. Specifically of the SympatheticSue varriety, and through playing the LastOfHisKind trope to rediculous levels.

* PeekABangs: Dave's latest redesign has part of his hair covering one of his eyes. (It didn't at first until after the Forum Update Hiatus.) There is no reason at all for this other than him thinking it looks cool.

*** [[spoiler:Between Dave and Roxy specifically, it's hard to tell who got it harder. On one hand, Dave eventually loses any of his recognizable traits (except for the appearance of his pants on the "default" Homestuck sprite, though that's due to lazyness) and becomes a murderous sociopath who kills his former best friends' guardians without batting an eye, and attempts to lead the armies of Prospit and Derse to destroy Earth. He also led a raid against a ''middle school'', though it was really just to get at the Blue and Yellow Team. On the other hand, Roxy is arguably even more crazy, has an implied "if I can't have them, nobody can" adittute towards both Dirk for herself ''and'' in regards to the other three couples she "ships", ships based on absolutely no reason at all, got an added social anxiety where trying to talk to guys while sober can result in her ''pissing herself'', and spends a large sequence using rage powers (not the same as the canon aspect) to rise from the dead and kill people because some ''clones'' of them got into relationships that she didn't like. To rub salt into the wound, she is the ''only'' human kid (assuming Dirk and Sollux didn't breakup offscreen) to not end up in a relationship. It all comes down to quantity (Dave) vs quality (Roxy)]].

** Roxy seems to ship Dave/Jade and John/Rose, except she does it to such agressive levels that it becomes near-insanity later on. Except that [[RunningGag Jade's a lesbian]], Dave and Rose are in a relationship with eachother, and John used to faint around Rose until ''very'' recently. And she ships Jane/Jake and Dirk/herself, and while the former is working out, the latter isn't. Karkat thinks that Roxy wanting to be with Dirk is just a wish fulfilling dream of hers.

* AnyoneCanDie: As of March 17th 2013, nobody is truely safe except for the titular characters and their evil twins. [[spoiler:The trolls have ''finally'' begun dying off, starting with Aradia, then Aranea enters Slender Mode and "assimilates" Rufioh, essentially mind controlling him and adding him as an appendage to her. Terezi and Gamzee are killed and later assimilated as well, then Sollux, Meenah, Horuss, and Kurloz get assimilated while Elitaa is killed by Aranea offscreen. Vampire Jade kills Karkat, then Aranea continues with Porrim, Mituna, Cronus, Damara, Latula, and Kankri. Puerco is killed by AR. Roxy and Dirk die, and then the remaining trolls (except for the Leijons) are slaughtered by Rip, and finally Mutant Nepeta, as Nepetazilla, has killed Aranea for real and by proxy the 14 trolls she took over]]. The very large number of troll deaths could be attributed to Pikmin Fan's admitting to not like writting them.
* ArcNumber: [[NumberOfTheBeast 616]] in a similar manner to 413/612/1025/111 in ''Homestuck''. Arguably, 214 fits this as well.

* KarmaHoudini: Jade. She belittles, insults, and threats a majority of characters, [[BrutalHonesty and seems 100% sincere in everything]], yet barely gets any sort of commupance. Her actions have caused [[spoiler:Dave to completely break mentally, which leads to many of the bad things that have happened over the course of the series]]. Characters do notice how terrible she is, but this usually results in them trying to kill her, [[spoiler:only to die instead. Jaka lampshades this]].

* LukeIAmYourFather: [[spoiler:Dave and Karkat/Kankri are half-ectosiblings thanks to Nepeta]]. Also, while on meth, Roxy [[spoiler:encounters a John that is slightly more similar to canon John. He says that he and Jade are related. Since they aren't in ''this'', the quote makes Roxy freak out]].

** Roxy, on a more meta level, for impersonating two villains from ''Homestuck'' (sober Gamzee and Lord English) in pesterlogs. And the first of which raised a mystery for a decently-long ammount of time (Beginning of Intermission Act Three to beginning of Intermission Act Four.)

* UnexplainedRecovery: [[http://mspfanventures.com/?s=588&p=2174 In this page,]] it's stated that Jake tried to drink the acid [[spoiler:as part of the coliseum course that offers ghosts to come back to life. Except that the acid is meant to ''harm ghosts''. Jake himself isn't even a ghost, and thus is probably more suspectable to pain]].