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[[WMG: The individual that knocked out/killed [[spoiler:'''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu THE LIVING TRIBUNAL?]]''']] [[BiggerBad The honest to badness]] [[{{Satan}} Devil of the Marvel Multiverse.]] ]]

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[[WMG: The individual that knocked out/killed [[spoiler:'''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu THE LIVING TRIBUNAL?]]''']] [[spoiler:''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu the Living Tribunal?]]'']] [[BiggerBad The honest to badness]] [[{{Satan}} Devil of the Marvel Multiverse.]] ]]
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He may end up [[spoiler: getting Wiccan's god-like powers for himself and controlling the flow of magic]], but getting there will require losing his teammates (which he may realize [[HeelRealization too late were actually important to him]]), the corruption and possible death of [[MoralityPet Leah]], and finally he may realize that he's only trapped himself in yet another cycle of Ragnarok where he's doomed yet again to see his home and people destroyed, when he might have avoided getting trapped in his villainous role altogether.

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He may end up [[spoiler: getting Wiccan's god-like powers for himself and controlling the flow of magic]], but getting there will require losing his teammates (which he may realize [[HeelRealization too late were actually important to him]]), the corruption and possible death of [[MoralityPet Leah]], and finally he may realize that he's only trapped himself in yet another cycle of Ragnarok where he's doomed yet again to see his home and people destroyed, when he might have avoided getting trapped in his villainous role altogether.altogether.

[[WMG: The individual that knocked out/killed [[spoiler:'''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu THE LIVING TRIBUNAL?]]''']] [[BiggerBad The honest to badness]] [[{{Satan}} Devil of the Marvel Multiverse.]] ]]
For those not in the know, New Avengers #8 has [[spoiler:[[GuardianOfTheMultiverse The Living Tribunal]]]] passed out, or possibly outright killed. Since he's second in power and rank to [[spoiler:[[{{God}} The One Above All]] ]], and so high-up that he doesn't care what Thanos [[ThanosImperative with the Infinity Gauntlet]] does, what could even knock him out? Either something [[RealityBreakingParadox really WRONG]] is happening with TheMultiverse, or there's a being on [[spoiler:The Tribunal's]] level who hasn't appeared. FearItself has established that there is a Devil who's been gone so long nobody is sure he ever existed, and that his throne is something no demon dare sit on. This includes beings such as [[SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] and [[MultiversalConqueror Dormammu]]. Any Devil with that street cred is one of the most powerful beings in all of Marvel, and probably the only one who stands a chance of even knocking out [[spoiler:The Living Tribunal.]] What role he, she or it has been playing in the chaos across the multiverse is unknown, but whatever the case be afriad. '''[[FridgeHorror Be]] [[GodOfEvil very]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt afraid.]]'''
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He may end up getting Wiccan's god-like powers for himself and controlling the flow of magic, but getting there will require losing his teammates (which he may realize [[HeelRealization too late were actually important to him]]), the corruption and possible death of [[MoralityPet Leah]], and finally he may realize that he's only trapped himself in yet another cycle of Ragnarok where he's doomed yet again to see his home and people destroyed, when he might have avoided getting trapped in his villainous role altogether.

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He may end up [[spoiler: getting Wiccan's god-like powers for himself and controlling the flow of magic, magic]], but getting there will require losing his teammates (which he may realize [[HeelRealization too late were actually important to him]]), the corruption and possible death of [[MoralityPet Leah]], and finally he may realize that he's only trapped himself in yet another cycle of Ragnarok where he's doomed yet again to see his home and people destroyed, when he might have avoided getting trapped in his villainous role altogether.
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[[WMG: The series will end with a PyrricVictory for Loki]]

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[[WMG: The series will end with a PyrricVictory PyrrhicVictory for Loki]]
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After all the trouble caused by his powers and the stupid decisions he's made with them [[spoiler: not to mention they were the reason why Loki manipulated him into summoning Mother, so Loki could eventually get close enough to Billy to steal them for himself]] and especially after seeing all of the terrible alternate futures his powers may cause, Billy will decide that he'd be happier and the world would be safer if he gave up his powers for good. [[spoiler: After learning what Loki's ultimate plan was, he'll do this in front of Loki to drive in the fact that someone can be happier without incredible power and that Loki has failed in getting what he wanted from Billy.]] It will also progress naturally from his decision in ''The Avengers: Children's Crusade'' to give up crime fighting altogether and with the addition of Prodigy, who has lost his powers as well, he has proof that he can live without his powers while still being part of the super hero community.

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After all the trouble caused by his powers and the stupid decisions he's made with them [[spoiler: not to mention they were the reason why Loki manipulated him into summoning Mother, so Loki could eventually get close enough to Billy to steal them for himself]] and especially after seeing all of the terrible alternate futures his powers may cause, Billy will decide that he'd be happier and the world would be safer if he gave up his powers for good. [[spoiler: After learning what Loki's ultimate plan was, he'll do this in front of Loki to drive in the fact that someone can be happier without incredible power and that Loki has failed in getting what he wanted from Billy.]] It will also progress naturally from his decision in ''The Avengers: Children's Crusade'' to give up crime fighting altogether and with the addition of Prodigy, who has lost his powers as well, he has proof that he can live without his powers while still being part of the super hero community.community.

[[WMG: The series will end with a PyrricVictory for Loki]]
He may end up getting Wiccan's god-like powers for himself and controlling the flow of magic, but getting there will require losing his teammates (which he may realize [[HeelRealization too late were actually important to him]]), the corruption and possible death of [[MoralityPet Leah]], and finally he may realize that he's only trapped himself in yet another cycle of Ragnarok where he's doomed yet again to see his home and people destroyed, when he might have avoided getting trapped in his villainous role altogether.
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{{WMG: Billy will [[BroughtDownToNormal voluntarily give up]] his powers]]

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{{WMG: [[WMG: Billy will [[BroughtDownToNormal voluntarily give up]] his powers]]
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From the events of JournyIntoMystery, Loki seems to have come full-circle and destroyed any chance of redemption [[spoiler: through the murder of his young self]]. But by now he's sick and tired of being the villain, which he now realizes is a doomed and static state of being. Loki wants to break out of his role, but knows that any attempt of pulling a full HeelFaceTurn would [[GenreSavvy fall flat on its face due to narrative causality]]. He therefore put himself into the role of [[TricksterMentor morally-ambiguous mentor]] to a RealityWarper and his friends, the only people who could conceivably help him break out of his role. Through their influence and his place among a team of white hats, Loki can finally change himself and his role in the Marvel Universe for good.

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From the events of JournyIntoMystery, Loki seems to have come full-circle and destroyed any chance of redemption [[spoiler: through the murder of his young self]]. But by now he's sick and tired of being the villain, which he now realizes is a doomed and static state of being. Loki wants to break out of his role, but knows that any attempt of pulling a full HeelFaceTurn would [[GenreSavvy fall flat on its face due to narrative causality]]. He therefore put himself into the role of [[TricksterMentor morally-ambiguous mentor]] to a RealityWarper and his friends, the only people who could conceivably help him break out of his role. Through their influence and his place among a team of white hats, Loki can finally change himself and his role in the Marvel Universe for good.good.

{{WMG: Billy will [[BroughtDownToNormal voluntarily give up]] his powers]]
After all the trouble caused by his powers and the stupid decisions he's made with them [[spoiler: not to mention they were the reason why Loki manipulated him into summoning Mother, so Loki could eventually get close enough to Billy to steal them for himself]] and especially after seeing all of the terrible alternate futures his powers may cause, Billy will decide that he'd be happier and the world would be safer if he gave up his powers for good. [[spoiler: After learning what Loki's ultimate plan was, he'll do this in front of Loki to drive in the fact that someone can be happier without incredible power and that Loki has failed in getting what he wanted from Billy.]] It will also progress naturally from his decision in ''The Avengers: Children's Crusade'' to give up crime fighting altogether and with the addition of Prodigy, who has lost his powers as well, he has proof that he can live without his powers while still being part of the super hero community.
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The twins' backgrounds oddly reflect her own background and parentage: Billy was born into the Kaplan family, honoring her father's [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jewish]] heritage and Tommy was born into less-than-comfortable circumstances, with popular fan theory that he's at least part-Romani, honoring her mother's [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Romani]] heritage.

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The twins' backgrounds oddly reflect her own background and parentage: Billy was born into the Kaplan family, honoring her father's [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jewish]] heritage and Tommy was born into less-than-comfortable circumstances, with popular fan theory that he's at least part-Romani, honoring her mother's [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Romani]] heritage.heritage.

[[WMG: Loki's ultimate plan is to [[HeelFaceTurn redeem]] himself]]
From the events of JournyIntoMystery, Loki seems to have come full-circle and destroyed any chance of redemption [[spoiler: through the murder of his young self]]. But by now he's sick and tired of being the villain, which he now realizes is a doomed and static state of being. Loki wants to break out of his role, but knows that any attempt of pulling a full HeelFaceTurn would [[GenreSavvy fall flat on its face due to narrative causality]]. He therefore put himself into the role of [[TricksterMentor morally-ambiguous mentor]] to a RealityWarper and his friends, the only people who could conceivably help him break out of his role. Through their influence and his place among a team of white hats, Loki can finally change himself and his role in the Marvel Universe for good.
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*** Played with: They have more of a HeterosexualLifePartners relationship.
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* {{Jossed}}
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The twins' background oddly reflect her own background and parentage: Billy was born into the Kaplan family, honoring her father's [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jewish]] heritage and Tommy was born into less-than-comfortable circumstances, with popular fan theory that he's at least part-Romani, honoring her mother's [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Romani]] heritage.

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The twins' background backgrounds oddly reflect her own background and parentage: Billy was born into the Kaplan family, honoring her father's [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jewish]] heritage and Tommy was born into less-than-comfortable circumstances, with popular fan theory that he's at least part-Romani, honoring her mother's [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Romani]] heritage.
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* Depending on the nature of the Mother's power and what constitutes a "parent", it's probably unlikely, [[spoiler: since whatever Loki's role in Leah's creation was, it was clear that he had romantic feelings towards her, thus precluding any parental ones]]. However, Loki, or at least his former self, ''has'' fathered several children in the Marvel universe. It's likely his reincarnation as a child (or simply his nature) that somehow impedes the Mother's ability to control him.

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* Depending on the nature of the Mother's power and what constitutes a "parent", it's probably unlikely, [[spoiler: since whatever Loki's role in Leah's creation was, it was clear that he had romantic feelings towards her, thus precluding any parental ones]]. However, Loki, or at least his former self, ''has'' fathered several children in the Marvel universe. It's likely his reincarnation as a child (or simply his nature) that somehow impedes the Mother's ability to control him.him.

[[WMG: Wanda subconsciously chose the families into which Billy and Tommy were born.]]
The twins' background oddly reflect her own background and parentage: Billy was born into the Kaplan family, honoring her father's [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jewish]] heritage and Tommy was born into less-than-comfortable circumstances, with popular fan theory that he's at least part-Romani, honoring her mother's [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Romani]] heritage.
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** And that's not even going into the fact that Loki may have the body of a child, but he has the mind of a much older man. Any way it would be handled, a romance involving him would be... problematic.
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* Kieron Gillen made it clear that Kid Loki was well and truly dead after the ends of Everything Burns, ''but'' that was a case of TorchTheFranchiseAndRun, as he knew leaving Kid Loki alive would inevitably cause someone else to write him back into villainy. Since he got to keep control of Kid Loki, does that mean he could change his mind?

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* Kieron Gillen made it clear that Kid Loki [[spoiler: was well and truly dead after the ends of Everything Burns, ''but'' that was a case of TorchTheFranchiseAndRun, as he knew leaving Kid Loki alive would inevitably cause someone else to write him back into villainy. Since he got to keep control of Kid Loki, does that mean he could change his mind?
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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then or in crossover, because, considering her spell preventing adults from noticing these kids have a problem to solve, it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.

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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, coincidentally, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then or in crossover, because, considering her spell preventing adults from noticing these kids have a problem to solve, it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.




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* Kieron Gillen made it clear that Kid Loki was well and truly dead after the ends of Everything Burns, ''but'' that was a case of TorchTheFranchiseAndRun, as he knew leaving Kid Loki alive would inevitably cause someone else to write him back into villainy. Since he got to keep control of Kid Loki, does that mean he could change his mind?



[[spoiler: While I don't mind David being gay or bi I think here he is just trying to make Hulkling get over his doubts about his love for Billy. If there is one place where subconcious spell should stop working is dimensions apart from it's source and in the lair or being who can block that magic. Teddy will freak out because he cannot be unfaithfull to Billy and David will point out that means his love is true.]]

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[[spoiler: While I don't mind David being gay or bi I think here he is just trying to make Hulkling get over his doubts about his love for Billy. If there is one place where subconcious subconscious spell should stop working is dimensions apart from it's source and in the lair or being who can block that magic. Teddy will freak out because he cannot be unfaithfull unfaithful to Billy and David will point out that means his love is true.]]



They just met Leah who's technically a teenager and technically [[spoiler: Loki's creation/daughter]] and since the actual age of the minor(Loki) or nature of parenthood(Scarlet Witch, Miss America) doesn't seem to matter...

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They just met Leah who's technically a teenager and technically [[spoiler: Loki's creation/daughter]] and since the actual age of the minor(Loki) or nature of parenthood(Scarlet Witch, Miss America) doesn't seem to matter...matter...
* Depending on the nature of the Mother's power and what constitutes a "parent", it's probably unlikely, [[spoiler: since whatever Loki's role in Leah's creation was, it was clear that he had romantic feelings towards her, thus precluding any parental ones]]. However, Loki, or at least his former self, ''has'' fathered several children in the Marvel universe. It's likely his reincarnation as a child (or simply his nature) that somehow impedes the Mother's ability to control him.
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[[spoiler: While I don't mind David being gay or bi I think here he is just trying to make Hulkling get over his doubts about his love for Billy. If there is one place where subconcious spell should stop working is dimensions apart from it's source and in the lair or being who can block that magic. Teddy will freak out because he cannot be unfaithfull to Billy and David will point out that means his love is true.]]

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[[spoiler: While I don't mind David being gay or bi I think here he is just trying to make Hulkling get over his doubts about his love for Billy. If there is one place where subconcious spell should stop working is dimensions apart from it's source and in the lair or being who can block that magic. Teddy will freak out because he cannot be unfaithfull to Billy and David will point out that means his love is true.]]]]

[[WMG: Loki will end up controlled by the Mother]]
They just met Leah who's technically a teenager and technically [[spoiler: Loki's creation/daughter]] and since the actual age of the minor(Loki) or nature of parenthood(Scarlet Witch, Miss America) doesn't seem to matter...
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Remember that Teddy being in trouble made him knock out an entire terrorist cell ''by accident''. [[spoiler: Tommy being in trouble]] will give Billy a chance to show his BigBrotherInstinct for once.

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Remember that Teddy being in trouble made him knock out an entire terrorist cell ''by accident''. [[spoiler: Tommy being in trouble]] will give Billy a chance to show his BigBrotherInstinct for once.once.

[[WMG: Cliffhanger from issue #8 is a SecretTestOfCharacter]]
[[spoiler: While I don't mind David being gay or bi I think here he is just trying to make Hulkling get over his doubts about his love for Billy. If there is one place where subconcious spell should stop working is dimensions apart from it's source and in the lair or being who can block that magic. Teddy will freak out because he cannot be unfaithfull to Billy and David will point out that means his love is true.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Tommy's kidnapping]] will make Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]]

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[[WMG: Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge because of [[spoiler: Tommy's kidnapping]] will make Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]]kidnapping]]]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Tommy's kidnapping]] will make Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevege]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Tommy's kidnapping]] will make Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevege]]RoaringRampageOfRevenge]]
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In the Siege event, Loki was revealed to be impersonating Scarlet Witch because of a spell from Billy. His magic/reality browsing ability can be manipulated into revealing that Loki has GrandTheftMe his younger self and giving the younger self control again.

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In the Siege event, Loki was revealed to be impersonating Scarlet Witch because of a spell from Billy. His magic/reality browsing ability can be manipulated into revealing that Loki has GrandTheftMe his younger self and giving the younger self control again.again.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Tommy's kidnapping]] will make Billy go on a RoaringRampageOfRevege]]
Remember that Teddy being in trouble made him knock out an entire terrorist cell ''by accident''. [[spoiler: Tommy being in trouble]] will give Billy a chance to show his BigBrotherInstinct for once.
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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then or in crossover, because, considering her spell preventing adults from noticing these kids have a problem to solve, it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.

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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then or in crossover, because, considering her spell preventing adults from noticing these kids have a problem to solve, it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.else.

[[WMG: Kid Loki will regain his body with help from Billy's magic]]
In the Siege event, Loki was revealed to be impersonating Scarlet Witch because of a spell from Billy. His magic/reality browsing ability can be manipulated into revealing that Loki has GrandTheftMe his younger self and giving the younger self control again.
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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means either that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then, because considering her nature it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.

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Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means either that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then, because then or in crossover, because, considering her nature spell preventing adults from noticing these kids have a problem to solve, it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.
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* Alternately, they'll just become platonic VitriolicBestBuds since Loki being in the body of a child would {{Squick}} out a number of people.

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* Alternately, they'll just become platonic VitriolicBestBuds since Loki being in the body of a child would {{Squick}} out a number of people.people.

[[WMG: The Crossover theories]]
Gillen said that there is only one place in his planned run, where he might do a crossover between this series and another one - around issues #13 and #14. Which means either that, unless it's going to be a crossover with ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' (which will, coincidentially, ending around the same time), Mother plotline will be solved since then, because considering her nature it would be hard to cross the series with anything else.
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* Alternately, they'll just become platonic VitriolicBestBuds since Loki being in the body of an adolescent would {{Squick}} out a number of people.

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* Alternately, they'll just become platonic VitriolicBestBuds since Loki being in the body of an adolescent a child would {{Squick}} out a number of people.
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* While certainly possible, the odds took a recent dip when [[spoiler: Billy brought back a version of Teddy's foster mother. And she turned out to be evil.]]

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* While certainly possible, the odds took a recent dip when [[spoiler: Billy brought back a version of Teddy's foster mother. And she turned out to be evil.]]]]

[[WMG: [[TokenEvilTeammate Loki]] and [[ActionGirl Miss America]] will eventually have a SlapSlapKiss relationship]]
[[spoiler: Ghost!Kid Loki]] who's technically part of Loki's conscience, seems to indicate that he's interested in her when he teases Loki about how Miss America is into him. Miss America in turn may eventually warm up to Loki while still having the sense not to take any crap from him.
* Alternately, they'll just become platonic VitriolicBestBuds since Loki being in the body of an adolescent would {{Squick}} out a number of people.
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* Unlikely but Loki hints that [[Spoiler: Billy created Teddy as a dream literally come true]]

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* Unlikely but Loki hints that [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Billy created Teddy as a dream literally come true]]
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* Jossed Billy met the Scarlet Witch and she is a completely different person from him.




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* Unlikely but Loki hints that [[Spoiler: Billy created Teddy as a dream literally come true]]
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Or at least a version of her. The end of Children's Crusade is pretty implicitly Iron Lad's [[StartOfDarkness Start of Darkness]], after all, and he clearly has a somewhat obsessive thing for Cassie. Combine that with the fact he's ''never'' had any compunctions about screwing around with the timeline (as noble as his intentions were at first), and I absolutely expect to see him pop up with a dark version of her at some point in the future.

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Or at least a version of her. The end of Children's Crusade is pretty implicitly Iron Lad's [[StartOfDarkness Start of Darkness]], after all, and he clearly has a somewhat obsessive thing for Cassie. Combine that with the fact he's ''never'' had any compunctions about screwing around with the timeline (as noble as his intentions were at first), and I absolutely expect to see him pop up with a dark version of her at some point in the future.future.
* While certainly possible, the odds took a recent dip when [[spoiler: Billy brought back a version of Teddy's foster mother. And she turned out to be evil.]]

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** [[spoiler: He couldn't stand the Kaplans and moved out. Kieron Gillen announced he would appear in #6.]]
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* [[FunnyMoments He'll also incur Loki's wrath by asking certain personal questions]]: "[[ButYouScrewOneGoat So that legend about you and that stallion...?]]"

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* [[FunnyMoments He'll also incur Loki's wrath by asking certain personal questions]]: "[[ButYouScrewOneGoat So "So that legend about you and that stallion...?]]"
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