History WMG / YoungAvengers

15th Mar '16 4:09:03 PM ObsidianFire
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From the events of JournyIntoMystery, Loki seems to have come full-circle and destroyed any chance of redemption [[spoiler: through the murder of his young self]]. But by now he's sick and tired of being the villain, which he now realizes is a doomed and static state of being. Loki wants to break out of his role, but knows that any attempt of pulling a full HeelFaceTurn would [[GenreSavvy fall flat on its face due to narrative causality]]. He therefore put himself into the role of [[TricksterMentor morally-ambiguous mentor]] to a RealityWarper and his friends, the only people who could conceivably help him break out of his role. Through their influence and his place among a team of white hats, Loki can finally change himself and his role in the Marvel Universe for good.

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From the events of JournyIntoMystery, Loki seems to have come full-circle and destroyed any chance of redemption [[spoiler: through the murder of his young self]]. But by now he's sick and tired of being the villain, which he now realizes is a doomed and static state of being. Loki wants to break out of his role, but knows that any attempt of pulling a full HeelFaceTurn would [[GenreSavvy fall flat on its face due to narrative causality]]. causality. He therefore put himself into the role of [[TricksterMentor morally-ambiguous mentor]] to a RealityWarper and his friends, the only people who could conceivably help him break out of his role. Through their influence and his place among a team of white hats, Loki can finally change himself and his role in the Marvel Universe for good.
16th Jan '16 5:31:17 PM psionycx
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* It's worth noting that when Wanda created the ''House of M'' alternate reality, [[spoiler: the skrulls that had already secretly started infiltrating Earth were aware of the change and noted that it was "paper thin". That would imply that even her power to alter reality cannot do so unnoticed by beings from outside of a certain sphere of influence. Presumably because that ''would'' require changing the past for ''everyone'' in the ''universe'', not just on Earth. Billy changing the history of aliens from other galaxies, decades in the past, to retroactively produce an outcome not even anticipated by him is a bit of a stretch. After all, there is no indication that he has ever been a particularly big fanboy of Captain Mar-vell, or that he even knew who Princess Anelle was. Creating a PrinceCharming with a more terrestrial origin would be a ''lot'' more plausible]].
27th Nov '15 6:38:27 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: ScarletWitch and Rebecca Kaplan will meet...]]

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[[WMG: ScarletWitch ComicBook/ScarletWitch and Rebecca Kaplan will meet...]]
26th Oct '15 3:26:58 AM Malitia
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* Jossed in this series. Loki genuinely tried to go back to villainy (because he hated himself for the whole [[spoiler:killing Kid!Loki]] thing), but found that he can't.
* But also confirmed as this stunt lead to this plan later.




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* Jossed.







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** Made some kind of impact is an understatement. You can map the characters (albeit the casting shifts as the story progresses) and most of the songs (even if slightly out of order) on that series.
26th Oct '15 3:04:26 AM Malitia
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** There was if you count Loki's [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard solo series]]. It literally opens with it and some even go so far to suggest WholePlotReference.
9th Oct '15 4:41:00 PM StFan
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[[WMG: The reason why Tommy isn't in the new YoungAvengers volume...]]
* He joined the official NewAvengers lineup.

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[[WMG: The reason why Tommy isn't in the new YoungAvengers ComicBook/YoungAvengers volume...]]
* He joined the official NewAvengers ComicBook/NewAvengers lineup.
22nd Jul '15 11:46:10 AM boatkidgirl
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In ''The Vision and the Scarlet Witch'', Dr. Strange specifically stated that there was only supposed to be one child and his instruments did not detect another baby up until Billy's birth. Since Billy has been revealed to be the Demiurge, it's very likely that [[MyOwnGrandpa future Billy planted himself into Wanda's womb]] and [[StableTimeLoop inserted into the Maximoff-Williams family as a means by which to set the creation of the Demiurge in motion]].

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In ''The Vision and the Scarlet Witch'', Dr. Strange specifically stated that there was only supposed to be one child and his instruments did not detect another baby up until Billy's birth. Since Billy has been revealed to be the Demiurge, it's very likely that [[MyOwnGrandpa future Billy planted himself into Wanda's womb]] and [[StableTimeLoop inserted into the Maximoff-Williams family as a means by which to set the creation of the Demiurge in motion]].motion]].

[[WMG: This is all the Demiurge's Batman Gambit to defeat Mephisto]]
The Demiurge has been reborn during each universe cycle and is defeated and absorbed into Mephisto then reborn as the Scarlet Witch's son and later as Wiccan. However the Demiurge in current/previous cycle created Utopia in the hope that someone (America Chavez) would be born and be able to remind his current incarnation of his powers to allow him to understand his powers better and therefore be able to defeat Mephisto and break the cycle that he is trapped in.
30th Apr '15 9:54:14 AM MianPi
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Yeah, I'm not buying it. And I am really hoping that this theory is not {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod or future events, [[spoiler:if only because, as heartwarming as the scene where Teddy says he doesn't care either way is, Teddy being Billy's construct made specifically to love him according to what Billy wants is something that feels absolutely loaded with UnfortunateImplications.]] But maybe that's just me.

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Yeah, I'm not buying it. And I am really hoping that this theory is not {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod or future events, [[spoiler:if only because, as heartwarming as the scene where Teddy says he doesn't care either way is, Teddy being Billy's construct made specifically to love him according to what Billy wants is something that feels absolutely loaded with UnfortunateImplications.]] But maybe that's just me.me.

[[WMG: Billy is not really Wanda and Vision's son]]
In ''The Vision and the Scarlet Witch'', Dr. Strange specifically stated that there was only supposed to be one child and his instruments did not detect another baby up until Billy's birth. Since Billy has been revealed to be the Demiurge, it's very likely that [[MyOwnGrandpa future Billy planted himself into Wanda's womb]] and [[StableTimeLoop inserted into the Maximoff-Williams family as a means by which to set the creation of the Demiurge in motion]].
30th Nov '14 4:04:12 PM Redazrael
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[[WMG: Teddy is ''not'' [[spoiler:a product of Billy's [[RealityWarper Reality Warping]] powers]]]]

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[[WMG: Teddy is ''not'' [[spoiler:a product of Billy's [[RealityWarper Reality Warping]] powers]]]]powers]].]]



No, [[spoiler:to get Teddy as he is, Billy would have had to create Teddy's ''very complicated'' family history. He would have had to decide, subconsciously, that his perfect PrinceCharming is a Skrull-Kree hybrid. Which, okay, nothing wrong with that, and Teddy ''is'' the heir to both the Skrull and Kree empires... which means that he could eventually be separated from Billy entirely. Hell, it already almost happened. And being apart from Teddy, possibly permanently, or losing him to the responsibilities that generally come with being in charge of at least one entire species that is really excited about killing humans and Teddy's ''other'' half of the genetic family tree, is presumably not in the whole 'perfect PrinceCharming romance' plan]].

On top of that, Teddy being heir to ''two empires'' would involve [[spoiler:manipulating a whole ''crapton'' of huge events and powerful people in ways that would have a massive impact on the future of the universe and the future of multiple species therein. And Billy would have had to do it ''retroactively'', which means changing the past, because all of those things happened before Billy was even born. Yes, Billy ''can'' do that -- now, as the Demiurge -- but seriously? All of that? Unconsciously? Before he ''even knew he could change reality''? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And without glowing blue and chanting a lot]]?]]

I'm not buying it. And I am really hoping that this theory is not {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod or future events, [[spoiler:if only because, as heartwarming as the scene where Teddy says he doesn't care is, Teddy being Billy's construct made specifically to love him is something that feels absolutely loaded with UnfortunateImplications. But maybe that's just me.]]

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No, [[spoiler:to get Teddy as he is, Billy would have had to create Teddy's ''very complicated'' family history. He would have had to decide, subconsciously, that his perfect PrinceCharming is a Skrull-Kree hybrid. Which, okay, nothing wrong with that, and but that's pretty damn specific. Of course, Teddy ''is'' the heir to both the Skrull and Kree empires... which empires and at first that sounds pretty cool... but it means that he could eventually be separated from Billy entirely. Hell, it it's already almost happened. And being apart from Teddy, possibly permanently, or losing him to the responsibilities that generally come with being in charge of at least one entire species that is really excited about killing both humans and Teddy's ''other'' half of the genetic family tree, is presumably not in the whole 'perfect PrinceCharming romance' plan]].

On top But okay, let's say that all of that, the above really ''is'' [[spoiler:what Billy wanted]]. So what does that mean? Teddy being heir to ''two empires'' -- especially those particular two empires -- would involve [[spoiler:manipulating [[spoiler:Billy manipulating a whole ''crapton'' of huge huge, very specific events and significant, powerful people (Wanda included) in ways that would have a massive impact on the future of the universe and the future of multiple species therein. And Billy would have had to do it ''retroactively'', which means changing the past, because all of those things happened before Billy was even born. Yes, Billy ''can'' do that -- now, as the Demiurge -- but seriously? All of that? Unconsciously? Before he ''even knew he could had powers at all'', let alone change reality''? reality? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And without glowing blue and chanting a lot]]?]]

[[spoiler:At least with Wanda's subconscious use of reality warping, she's had her powers for years and has been using them for years, meaning they have had a lot of time to mature and grow, and her instincts have had a lot of time to get used to those powers. Billy hadn't even ''used'' his, or at most had only been aware of them for a ''very'' short time. On top of that, Billy's powers haven't been static, they've been steadily growing. Meaning that he is ''way'' more powerful now than he was when he was first introduced, yet we're supposed to believe that he pulled off making ''all of that happen'' before he'd ever so much as thrown off a spark, and that he did it unknowingly, without showing a hint of power, just with some formless, ''subconscious'' wish to fall in love with a PrinceCharming?]]

Yeah,
I'm not buying it. And I am really hoping that this theory is not {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod or future events, [[spoiler:if only because, as heartwarming as the scene where Teddy says he doesn't care either way is, Teddy being Billy's construct made specifically to love him according to what Billy wants is something that feels absolutely loaded with UnfortunateImplications. UnfortunateImplications.]] But maybe that's just me.]]
30th Nov '14 9:56:26 AM Redazrael
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* Billy is canonically fond of musicals and probably figured [[Theater/{{Wicked}} Wicked]] was perfect for Loki. It seems to have made some kind of impact on the God of Mischief since he's seen [[SingingInTheShower singing one of its songs in the shower]] in ''Loki: Agent of Asgard''.

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* Billy is canonically fond of musicals and probably figured [[Theater/{{Wicked}} Wicked]] was perfect for Loki. It seems to have made some kind of impact on the God of Mischief since he's seen [[SingingInTheShower singing one of its songs in the shower]] in ''Loki: Agent of Asgard''.Asgard''.

[[WMG: Teddy is ''not'' [[spoiler:a product of Billy's [[RealityWarper Reality Warping]] powers]]]]
Loki was either lying or mistaken. Probably the former, though.

The logistics involved in [[spoiler:Billy warping reality to create Teddy]] are kind of nuts. And while 'nuts' isn't exactly a new things for comics, this is a special kind of ''what the hell''.

So Billy [[spoiler:wanted to create the perfect PrinceCharming]]. Fine. But Teddy isn't just an {{Adorkable}} mutant with awesome parents who live in a suburb or whatever. Hell, he isn't even an {{Adorkable}} billionaire's kid whose mutant power was shapeshifting, if [[spoiler:Billy really wanted to go with the usual 'ideal man' of romance tropes]].

No, [[spoiler:to get Teddy as he is, Billy would have had to create Teddy's ''very complicated'' family history. He would have had to decide, subconsciously, that his perfect PrinceCharming is a Skrull-Kree hybrid. Which, okay, nothing wrong with that, and Teddy ''is'' the heir to both the Skrull and Kree empires... which means that he could eventually be separated from Billy entirely. Hell, it already almost happened. And being apart from Teddy, possibly permanently, or losing him to the responsibilities that generally come with being in charge of at least one entire species that is really excited about killing humans and Teddy's ''other'' half of the genetic family tree, is presumably not in the whole 'perfect PrinceCharming romance' plan]].

On top of that, Teddy being heir to ''two empires'' would involve [[spoiler:manipulating a whole ''crapton'' of huge events and powerful people in ways that would have a massive impact on the future of the universe and the future of multiple species therein. And Billy would have had to do it ''retroactively'', which means changing the past, because all of those things happened before Billy was even born. Yes, Billy ''can'' do that -- now, as the Demiurge -- but seriously? All of that? Unconsciously? Before he ''even knew he could change reality''? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And without glowing blue and chanting a lot]]?]]

I'm not buying it. And I am really hoping that this theory is not {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod or future events, [[spoiler:if only because, as heartwarming as the scene where Teddy says he doesn't care is, Teddy being Billy's construct made specifically to love him is something that feels absolutely loaded with UnfortunateImplications. But maybe that's just me.]]
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