History WMG / ThePrincessAndTheFrog

** Alternate alternate theory: FoeYay.

* [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Frollo]]

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[[WMG:Dr. Facilier is actually a [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Vizard]], and the "Other Side" he's referring to? [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} That's Gensokyo.]]]]

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'Cause who is going to believe that story

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* Evangeline is supposed to be the ''evening'' star, from what I recall and could find online ([[CloudcuckoolanderHasAPoint which is, in fact, Venus]]). The North Star is an actual star, and has nothing to do with Venus.

Read ''Discworld/WitchesAbroad'' and tell me I'm wrong.

* [[Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs The Wicked Queen]]
* [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Malificent]]
* [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula]] - Now that [[@/TitoMosquito I]] think about it, one of the ghosts had wild Medusa-like hair that reminds me of her.
* [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Gaston]]
* [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]]
* [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Frollo]]
* [[Disney/{{Mulan}} Shan Yu]]
* [[Disney/{{Tarzan}} Clayton]]
* [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]]- Some of them looked quite animilistic. Also, if we take the Hercules [[ShoutOut joke]] he must have died a pretty long time ago. The lack of humans may imply the film took place before mankind even evolved.

* [[Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective Ratigan]]-See above.
* [[Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire Rourke]]-Just about, he died in the 1910's.
* [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Sa'Luk]]

Her eyes are blind (or in a jar) as she demonstrated by accidently breaking a vase, using Juju as a walking stick, thinking a key and a few buttons were candies, almost falling off a desk, almost falling in an hole and so on. Yet she never appears to have any trouble locating anyone, even from a distance, and knew exactly where Tiana's heart was. While it could be explained by her hearing, it may also be that her magical "life" powers grant her the ability to perceive "enlightened" bodies.

[[WMG: Facilier's main "Friend" is [[Disney/{{Fantasia}} Chernabog]]]]

[[WMG: The FOTOS are actually [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hades]]!]]

* More specifically, he was [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar.]] The personality isn't quite the same, but who knows what effect being dead for centuries might have?

* Given 1: Mama Odie's only companion appears to be her snake. WMG Given: Mama Odie is married. Conclusion: She's married to the snake. Your logic fails. She could be widowed. Juju's relationship with is closer to that of [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle and the dog-turned-footstool]] - a pet and appliance when necessary. Mama Odie seems the type to rule any roost, but that seems to be going a little far.

The only time we hear him sing is when he's a frog; this theory could be an in-universe explanation of why that last song wasn't a duet. Since [[Disney/MeetTheRobinsons frogs have more musical abilities than people do,]] Naveen's singing was improved as a side effect of turning into one.

[[WMG:Naveen and Tiana will take their kids to the premiere of Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs.]]
This movie takes place in the later half of the 1920s. ''Disney/SnowWhite'' came out in 1937. And you KNOW Charlotte is going to be first in line.

** Does [[Disney/{{Tarzan}} Kerchak]] not count as a main character?

[[WMG: ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' and ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' take place in the same continuity.]]

* Taking things further, this timeline extends back to ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'', where the English colonists in the Americas founded a society that encouraged respect and cooperation with the Native Americans. This led to an all-around increase of progressive treatment of minority groups. I know, InSpiteOfANail and all, but it works.

* Also, might as well add Disney/{{Hercules}} too. Greece, rather than falling due to the pelopennisian wars, survived for many more years, long enough to become a technically advanced empire that intermingled with the Romans rather than being conquered.

[[WMG: ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' lends itself to a shared Disney universe.]]
[[spoiler:Ray becoming a star when he dies]] proves that [[Disney/TheLionKing Timon]] was right and that stars are just fireflies stuck in that big bluish black thing. But the precise star that [[spoiler:Ray]] is now? The [[Disney/PeterPan second star to the right]].

* Hate to spoil a good theory, but ''Disney/PeterPan'' takes place during TheEdwardianEra, during the 1900s, at least ten years before this movie took place and, therefore, [[spoiler: before Ray could become a star]]. Unless you say the Disney version happens later...

*** Jane is twelve ears old during WWII. Wendy was probably in her thirties then, and she was twelve or thirteen years old in ''Peter Pan.'' If ''Disney/ReturnToNeverland'' took place in, say, 1944, and Wendy was about twenty when Jane was born, then Disney's ''Disney/PeterPan'' took place in 1925, making it possible once we assume that ''The Princess and the Frog'' takes place in the first half of the 1920s.

Wishes made on her come true: Tiana got her restaurant, Lottie got her prince (I've waited this long!). But noble sacrifice also results in granting wishes: The Blue Fairy (who came down from seeming to be a star in the sky) gave Disney/{{Pinocchio}} "real boy"hood after a HeroicSacrifice; [[spoiler:Ray's death]] came as the result of a HeroicSacrifice as well, and he got his wish [[spoiler:to be loved by Evangeline]].

** Still, consider one of the arguments for Ray/Evangeline being the Second Star on the Right, despite ''Disney/PeterPan'' taking place well before ''The Princess and the Frog''. Magic can make a timeline just as [[TimeyWimeyBall wibbly-wobbly]] as a time travel device in a sci-fi story. It's possible that when Evangeline and Ray became stars, the stars they became came into existence in the past as well.

** Lawrence is following the tradition of the doddering British sidekick who constantly gets abused, like the [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} duke]], [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Grimsby]], [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Cogsworth]], and [[Disney/TheLionKing Zazu]]. Nathaniel was probably supposed to be a parody of that, but because he was also villainous, it kind of messed up the twist in this movie when Lawrence went evil because he wasn't putting up with that shit anymore.

* This troper saw ''Enchanted'' just an hour or so ago and kept thinking "Nathaniel reminds me eerily of Lawrence! How is that possible?" Perhaps Disney simply used Nathaniel to parody the spineless minions that the evil queens have (like the hunter in ''Disney/SnowWhite'') and when they were making this movie, they looked back at Nathaniel and thought he would be good to reuse.

[[WMG:Maldonia was a byproduct of the events of Disney/{{Aladdin}}]]

[[WMG: Mama Odie's snake is Ka from Disney/TheJungleBook.]]
Who is also the snake from Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon ''Disney/RobinHood''. She found him after he was slithering alone after those two movies and took him in, and he performed a HeelFaceTurn.

[[WMG: The wrecked steamboat from ''Disney/TheRescuers'' is the same one seen in this movie.]]

''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was supposed to play as an experiment to see if hand-drawn animated films, done the traditional way, are still profitable. Sadly, it never gave a clear answer, since even though it was very profitable, it had to compete against 3 other blockbuster heavy-weights in theaters, and it was not released in 3D. ''Winnie The Pooh'' was released 2 years later, and even though it was planned before anyone knew ''Princess'' wouldn't live up to Disney's expectations, ''Winnie'' is only under an hour long, and was done for a fraction of the budget ''Princess'' was. The whole setup felt like a big "screw it let's end in a putter" situation.

[[WMG: The kingdom of Maldonia was founded by [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Prince Eric]].]]

* ...was put in a a retaliation to what Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses said about Scar. As in that he pointed out that Scar was the only Disney villain to knock off a main character. The challenge was set, and the film makers decided to beat that challenge.

[[WMG: Tiana is descended from WesternAnimation/JohnHenry. (🎶[[EarWorm John Henry, John Henry...]]🎶)]]

[[WMG: Facillier's freinds are created by discord from freindship is magic.]]

* Most likely, the Fenner Brothers were probably making up an excuse to prevent selling the mill to Tiana due being either a woman of color (as they are implied to have prejudices) or simply that due her economic status she wouldn't have been able to mantain the business on her own.

You could even use a deconstruction of John Henry's story to explain where James got the ideology of "Work hard, but don't neglect things like love and family." John Henry hammered through a mountain to earn what was owed to him and his family, but in the process, he worked himself to death and left his son (who was James's father or grandfather) to grow up without a father in his life. He tries to instill a sense of compromise in Tiana in order to avoid something like that happening again in the future.

[[WMG: Tiana is descended from John Henry. (🎶[[EarWorm John Henry, John Henry...]]🎶)]]

[[WMG: Tiana is descended from John Henry. (🎶[[EarWorm John Henry, John Henry...]]🎶)]]
I just got done watching the animated short -- John Henry and Tiana's father James look a little bit alike, and Tiana and John's wife Polly look (and sound) ''really'' alike. Plus, they've all definitely got a strong work ethic in common. (And a fancy for catchy musical numbers that emphasize their strong work ethic.)

You could even use a deconstruction of John Henry's story to explain where James got the ideology of "Work hard, but don't neglect things like love and family." John Henry hammered through a mountain to earn what was owed to him and his family, but in the process, he worked himself to death and left his son (who was James's father or grandfather) to grow up without a father in his life. Makes sense that James'd want to avoid something like that happening again in the future.

He wanted Lawrence to be skeptical of him and his magic. As he said in his villain song: " ''If you relax it'll enable me to do/anything I please!'' " Now we could just label that lyric as a simple mark of charisma but suppose it's true. If we think that way then of course he would want to have Lawrence convinced that he was a hack so he could relax.

Now Naveen was easy, he would've been relaxed either way but Lawrence had to be manipulated into becoming relaxed. If he were actually convinced that he was for real then he would either run away or not or act tense throughout the whole time wondering if he were going to be harmed. Because Facilier put that newspaper in his jacket Lawrence was convinced he was a fake and in turn was relaxed throughout the tarot card reading because hey, how can a hack with a few magic tricks harm you?

[[WMG:Dr. Facilier knew he was the villian]]

Think back to the temptation scene. Facilier sounds rather... personal on quite a few lines. He's a smooth operator, but he knows just how to make his pitch. This is quite impressive; we've seen his work before, but he'd been paying attention to Naveen, that was the focus of his plan. He hasn't ''met'' Tiana by this point, perhaps that time in Dukes... but he's shown to be focusing on the Le Boffes. Tiana on the otherhand knows of the 'Shadowman', but not the name Facilier, suggesting it's mostly by rep. Facilier doesn't even know that anyone's been accompanying Naveen.

* [[spoiler: Tiana's father died a poor man who never made his dream come true]] he could have been recruited by the Friends On The Other Side in exchange for coming back to life. He wanted to use voodoo to [[spoiler: Provide for his family like he used to]] but....TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget.

[[WMG:Dr. Facilier is the spurned, illegitimate child of Mr. [=LeBouf=].]]

** Yeah, I thought this was pretty much canon. Naveen was just a tool to aid in the plot, but Lawrence was the one carrying it out. Also I got the impression once he was done with Lawrence, he inteded to hand him over to his Friends in his place. "I look deep within your heart and soul... You do have a soul, don'tcha Lawrence?"

WARNING: LIKELY DEPRESSING [[spoiler: By that point, Facilier's plot was dangling by a thread. He needed that talisman back at whatever the cost. If Tiana had given it to him, he would have given her the restaurant with no strings attached because he would be in too much of a hurry to think of a way to screw it up. One of the reasons that Tiana's father (and likely Tiana herself) loved cooking so much is because it brought people together. While Tiana's restaurant would have started off great at first, she'd soon notice that she was getting less and less costumers. This wasn't because of anything wrong with the restaurant, but because the people are slowly being killed by Facilier to pay off his F.O.T.O.S. Eventually the only person willing to go to her restaurant would be Facilier himself. Both to sample Tiana's excellent cooking and to be a horrible human being.]]

* [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Awwwww.]]