History WMG / ThePrincessAndTheFrog

16th Aug '17 6:54:57 AM ShadowLordHeishin
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[[WMG: The Friends on the Other Side are GoodAllAlong and an example of DarkIsNotEvil.]]
The original loa were not (at least inherently) malevolent beings, not even the shadier ones like Baron Samedi and Kalfu. They were sympathetic to the poor and desperate and willing to make deals with them, and it is implied that Facilier fell under such a category in his past. While Facilier was screwing around with the rich and those who were trying to "cut corners" in life and do things the easy way, including Naveen, their goals were aligned. However, once Facilier began to involve Tiana in his schemes, someone who was (a) poor and (b) dedicated to hard work, the Friends lost their sympathy with Facilier and began helping Tiana (and later Naveen, once he matures) instead. Alternatively, their entire goal from the beginning was to help Tiana and Naveen achieve their dreams, but only after they go through sufficient CharacterDevelopment to prove themselves worthy of it. They were never interested in devouring the souls of New Orleans, merely pretended to be as part of their BatmanGambit - they could have easily attacked/claimed frog Tiana in the cemetery when she broke Facilier's talisman, but expressed no interest in doing so. Their endgame leads to victory and a happy ending for everyone except Lawrence and Facilier, the only two evil characters in the entire story.

Bonus points if they're the SAME beings who provide Mama Odie with her power, only she is able to use them freely and without any fear of suffering the same fate as Facilier because she has the Friends' approval through her wise use of her powers and her understanding/spreading the message of what really matters.
23rd Jul '17 3:08:07 PM nombretomado
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** Nobody said "magical star creation" had to follow the logic of causality. Basically, effect (star) preceding cause (events of the film) via magical time travel/reality rewrite. Since only the protagonists of the film notice the star, and not the many astronomers and astrologers who would almost certainly notice a star just appearing from nowhere. Since the stargazers of the world never notice the new star's sudden appearance (which they would and people would definately mention it later, as it is pretty damn unusual), we should assume reality has been rewritten to have that star always being there.
** Doesn't the Disney Peter Pan sequel take place during WW2? Wendy is only 10-15 years older in it, making Peter Pan canonically occur in the 1920s.

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** Nobody said "magical star creation" had to follow the logic of causality. Basically, effect (star) preceding cause (events of the film) via magical time travel/reality rewrite. Since only the protagonists of the film notice the star, and not the many astronomers and astrologers who would almost certainly notice a star just appearing from nowhere. Since the stargazers of the world never notice the new star's sudden appearance (which they would and people would definately definitely mention it later, as it is pretty damn unusual), we should assume reality has been rewritten to have that star always being there.
** Doesn't the Disney Peter Pan sequel take place during WW2? [=WW2=]? Wendy is only 10-15 years older in it, making Peter Pan canonically occur in the 1920s.
3rd Jun '17 11:27:19 AM nombretomado
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Continuing the WhiteWolf approach, they're both Scions of the Loa pantheon. Mama Odie is the direct daughter of Damballa and follows his path fairly straightforwardly. Dr. Facilier is a Scion of Baron Samedi, adopted by a previously unknown Titan of Darkness, the Friends on the Other Side.

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Continuing the WhiteWolf Creator/WhiteWolf approach, they're both Scions of the Loa pantheon. Mama Odie is the direct daughter of Damballa and follows his path fairly straightforwardly. Dr. Facilier is a Scion of Baron Samedi, adopted by a previously unknown Titan of Darkness, the Friends on the Other Side.
16th May '17 4:52:30 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: "The Other Side" is [[TwinPeaks the Black Lodge]].]]

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[[WMG: "The Other Side" is [[TwinPeaks [[Series/TwinPeaks the Black Lodge]].]]
7th Apr '17 5:01:50 PM nombretomado
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''ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was supposed to play as an experiment to see if hand-drawn animated films, done the traditional way, are still profitable. Sadly, it never gave a clear answer, since even though it was very profitable, it had to compete against 3 other blockbuster heavy-weights in theaters, and it was not released in 3D. ''Winnie The Pooh'' was released 2 years later, and even though it was planned before anyone knew ''Princess'' wouldn't live up to Disney's expectations, ''Winnie'' is only under an hour long, and was done for a fraction of the budget ''Princess'' was. The whole setup felt like a big "screw it let's end in a putter" situation.

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''ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was supposed to play as an experiment to see if hand-drawn animated films, done the traditional way, are still profitable. Sadly, it never gave a clear answer, since even though it was very profitable, it had to compete against 3 other blockbuster heavy-weights in theaters, and it was not released in 3D. ''Winnie The Pooh'' was released 2 years later, and even though it was planned before anyone knew ''Princess'' wouldn't live up to Disney's expectations, ''Winnie'' is only under an hour long, and was done for a fraction of the budget ''Princess'' was. The whole setup felt like a big "screw it let's end in a putter" situation.
27th Feb '17 6:31:08 PM nombretomado
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* This troper roleplays Charlie from WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven over on LiveJournal. In one session, he met Charlotte, and they ended up having a conversation about this exact WMG!

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* This troper roleplays Charlie from WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven ''WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven'' over on LiveJournal.Website/LiveJournal. In one session, he met Charlotte, and they ended up having a conversation about this exact WMG!
22nd Feb '17 1:06:03 PM smalltime
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Her corset never comes off, so we never see it.

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Her corset We just never comes off, so saw it because we never see it.saw her with her corset off.
22nd Feb '17 1:04:41 PM smalltime
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[[WMG: Charlotte still has her BalloonBelly from the early concept art.]]
Her corset never comes off, so we never see it.
12th Feb '17 6:21:04 PM QueenSaeryen
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The [[SoulJar reliquary]] is the same as Facilier's amulet. When both of them were destroyed before Rasputin or Facilier could fulfill his mission, the FOTOS dragged him to either {{Main/Hell}} or some dark spirit world (it depends on what you believe). This theory is also on ''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}}]]''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}} 's WMG page]].

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The [[SoulJar reliquary]] is the same as Facilier's amulet. When both of them were destroyed before Rasputin or Facilier could fulfill his mission, the FOTOS dragged him to either {{Main/Hell}} or some dark spirit world (it depends on what you believe). This theory is also on ''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}}]]''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}} ''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}} Anastasia]]''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}} 's WMG page]].
12th Feb '17 6:20:24 PM QueenSaeryen
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[[WMG: The Friends on the Other Side are the same thing as {{WesternAnimation/Anastasia Rasputin's}} Dark Forces.]]
The [[SoulJar reliquary]] is the same as Facilier's amulet. When both of them were destroyed before Rasputin or Facilier could fulfill his mission, the FOTOS dragged him to either {{Main/Hell}} or some dark spirit world (it depends on what you believe). This theory is also on ''{{WMG/Anastasia Anastasia}}''{{WMG/Anastasia 's WMG page}}.

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[[WMG: The Friends on the Other Side are the same thing as {{WesternAnimation/Anastasia Rasputin's}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} Rasputin's]] Dark Forces.]]
The [[SoulJar reliquary]] is the same as Facilier's amulet. When both of them were destroyed before Rasputin or Facilier could fulfill his mission, the FOTOS dragged him to either {{Main/Hell}} or some dark spirit world (it depends on what you believe). This theory is also on ''{{WMG/Anastasia Anastasia}}''{{WMG/Anastasia ''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}}]]''[[WMG/{{Anastasia}} 's WMG page}}.
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