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[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0841.html This]] is an illusion. The pyramid's defenders keep the illusion in place 24/7 as a way to deter thieves and [[IncrediblyLamePun gate-crashers]] from further exploration and to disguise the real (possibly non-combatant) occupants of the pyramid. This could be Girard's own handiwork, but just as likely the pyramid itself is a decoy run by illusionist relatives. It is also possible that the pyramid is a decoy and Girard, being an epic-level caster, can maintain the illusion from within another structure housing the ''real'' Gate.
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[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0841.html This]] is an illusion. The pyramid's defenders keep the illusion in place 24/7 as a way to deter thieves and [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} gate-crashers]] from further exploration and to disguise the real (possibly non-combatant) occupants of the pyramid. This could be Girard's own handiwork, but just as likely the pyramid itself is a decoy run by illusionist relatives. It is also possible that the pyramid is a decoy and Girard, being an epic-level caster, can maintain the illusion from within another structure housing the ''real'' Gate.
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[[WMG: Thog is an alternate universe version of {{Deadpool}}.]]
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[[WMG: Thog is an alternate universe version of {{Deadpool}}.ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}.]]
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* Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
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[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Detect Good on Tarquin]]
[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0836.html Elan comes up with his plan]] after Roy says the phrase "But I think in your case, it's better to find that sense of family among people that are good than it is to find a sense of good inside your family". Elan, being Elan, ignores the actual sentiment of Roy's statement and latches on to the words "sense" and "good". His plan is to prove that his father has good in him by having Durkon use magic to show everyone his alignment. What else would he need Durkon for? Of course, this will backfire spectacularly when Durkon casts his spell and proves that Tarquin is evil through and through, causing Elan to suffer a HeroicBSOD and then finally get the resolve to defeat his father.
* Unlikely, given that Elan has now accepted his father isn't going to change easily (if at all).
* Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Atonement on Tarquin]]
Atonement (or 'seduction') is a cleric 5th level spell that Durkon could reasonably know. While it's typically used on fallen paladins or clerics to restore their lost class levels after violating their alignment restrictions, it can also be used as a hassle-free 'change a character's established alignment to whatever you want' contrivance. Elan is hoping to use this spell on his father to change his alignment from Evil to Good. However, one of the caveats of this spell is that the target cannot be compelled (through magic, or otherwise) to accept the offer, so the real details of the plan will be in convincing his father Good is better than Evil. It's been established with Hinjo's talk with Miko after her fall that the Atonement spell exists in the [=OotS=] world, so there is precedence.
* Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
[[WMG: The Order of the Stick will be heading to Durkon's homeland at some point...]]
...only to find it completely destroyed by Xykon.
-->'''Durkon:''' How will I finally be returnin' ta me beloved dwarven homelands?
-->'''Oracle:''' Posthumously.
The Oracle never states it would be after ''Durkon'' dies; he meant it would be after ''all the other dwarves'' die. This is also the meaning of the dwarven prophecy that states the Durkon will destroy his homeland should he return.
* The word "posthumously," unfortunately, does unambiguously mean that ''Durkon'' will be dead when he returns. If he had asked, "How will my homeland greet my return?" and the answer was "Posthumously," ''that'' would mean his homeland would be dead when he returned.
* And in ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'', it's prophesied that "when next [Durkon] returns home, he will bring death and destruction for us all".
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Durkon ''chose'' to be vamped as part of Elan's "Super-Secret Plan".]]
In Strip #836, Elan mentions a plan which he needs Durkon's help with - which came to him just as Roy was talking about "finding a sense of good in your own family". Since he's GenreSavvy enough to, say, predict that Tarquin was the 'new Thog', he was expecting Malack to be coming after them at some point - and knows Malack's issues with Nale. Since Durkon had become good friends with him, his plan was for Durkon to use that connection to get into Tarquin's circle and act as a Good influence on them, or at least to sow additional conflict between Nale and Malack to the detriment of the whole group. Whether he predicted well enough to know that Malack was a vampire and that Durkon would have to be vamped is another question, as is whether it will actually do any good, but the existence of an Elan-Durkon plan is indisputable so it would be a cool way to bring that into fruition.
* Jossed. Durkon becoming a vampire was Malack's doing, and that isn't part of Elan's Plan.
[[WMG: Elan's Plan is to call his mother in]]
Roy's statement about finding family in people who are good instead of good in family reminded Elan about his Chaotic Good mother, that unnamed barmaid. Elan had Durkon cast a sending telling her about Tarquin's evil. When Elan's mom arrives, there'll be some touching reunions... then she'll sue Tarquin for unpaid alimony. The utter absurdity of it all (Plus the amount being charged) will not only bankrupt the Empire of Blood, but also torpedo Tarquin's plan of having a totally badass finish.
** It's one of the perfect ways for his "go out in an epic fashion" plan to fail! Seconded!
* Jossed. He was calling [[spoiler:Julio Scoundrel.]]
[[WMG: Durkon's parents were/are hippies.]]
So, every other Order member whose parents have been shown in the comic has a problematic relationship with them. In Durkon's case, it could mean that similarly with Ned Flanders on the TheSimpsons, his parents were ultra-laid back, and as a result, he overcompensated and became ultra-lawful and straitlaced.
* Jossed. Durkon's mother was in the Dwarf armed services, and he got on with her, and his father was deceased when Durkon was little.
[[WMG: Haley's father has already died, or else will die before Haley is able to free him.]]
With a setup like "thief girl with a good heart raising money to free her incarcerated father", there's no way it'll be that easy. Drama demands SOME complication, but as it's a nigh-unmentioned character motivation and the plot is getting into pretty dire territory as it is, it's unlikely there'll be plot space for the kind of buildup necessary to make freeing Ian appropriately awesome. Furthermore, Haley already got an absolutely ridiculous amount of cash from the dragon hoard - which was then abruptly blown up, when she and Vaarsuvius thought they'd have time for three trips. That was a plot necessity, as it kicked off the aphasia storyline... HOWEVER, it could also be DM railroading to keep Haley from having an ungodly amount of treasure when she wasn't going to need it.
* Their reunion won't be as easy as just paying for his release, that's almost a given.
* Looks increasingly likely, given what we've learned about Tyrinaria recently...
* [[spoiler: Partially Jossed: Haley's father is alive, they've reunited, but he's still in the slammer.]]
* Jossed again. He gets out alive.
[[WMG: Haley is Orrin Draketooth's missing daughter]]
Seriously. The legendary rouge has a red-haired daughter (when [[ConservationOfDetail Burlew didn't need to show hair at all]]), who mysteriously vanishes from her mother's care, when we already know that Haley was raised by her father, who shares a character class and a hair color with her Draketooth. [[Foreshadowing Haley even compares Draketooth to her father in the strip where this is all introduced!]]
* Additionally, Elan will be ecstatic about the whole thing, being the trope-loving man that he is, and someone will compare their meeting to that of Elan and Tarquin's.
* Word of God has already jossed this in the discussion thread for that strip. Also, Orrin's daughter would only be 15, Haley is in her mid 20s.
[[WMG: Nale will destroy Girard's Gate]]
What's really struck me about this latest story arc is the way it's put pressure on Nale. Not only has he been forced into the race for the Gates to an unprecedented extent, but more importantly, we've introduced a pair of characters who put his ingenuity to the test more than ever before. Tarquin and especially Malack put Nale in the same position Belkar was in while suffering from the Mark of Justice: he must evolve or die. Before now, Nale's solution to any given problem has been to assemble a team to tackle it head-on, but that's never beaten the OOTS, and with Tarquin, Malack and Xykon in the game the inadequacy of these tactics will become progressively more apparent. Nale's only hope of survival against such enemies is to display a level of cunning he's never shown before. With his back to the wall, Nale will only have one option to eliminate all his enemies: blow the Gate, destroying all his enemies in one fell swoop before teleporting to safety. He'll have to sacrifice Z'driti in the process, but that only makes sense: he's one of the last original members of the Linear Guild, and Nale's sacrificed Thog already this arc, the latest casualty of the comics systematic purge of stupid evil characters (see also: Samantha, Tsukiko, Crystal, Yukyuk). Having the fight for Girard's Gate end this way would also fit the recurring theme whereby a Gate's defense is overcome by a subversion of the Guardian's values: Just like Lirian's faith in Nature is overpowered by an unnatural foe and Soon's faith in the unbreakable honor of a paladin is betrayed by a fallen paladin, so Girard's faith in the loyalty of family will be foiled by a dysfunctional family member who in so doing attempts to kill his father and brother in the same moment. Having had to face the fire head-on and surviving, Nale will have finally ascend to the level of the other main antagonists in the comic, becoming a major player in the rush for Kraagor's Gate.
* I believe Girard's faith in family was undermined when [[spoiler:the fact that they were all related led to their downfall at the hands of V]]
** Jossed, Girard's Gate was destroyed by Roy.
[[WMG: Roy just went Super Saiyan]]
Typically Super Saiyans are characterized by their spiky golden hairs, but the rather less memetic physical effect is how their eyes turn green. Roy, being bald, cannot show the former - but he sure has the green eyes and BattleAura going on.
* Jossed, seemingly; Wrecan believes it is due to his family's sword being a Weapon of Legacy.
[[WMG: Durkula's staff is going to run out of charges very soon.]]
Staffs in 3.5 have 50 charges apiece, no one appears to have the Craft Staff feat, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html using them to raise zombies cost a few charges each]] and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0856.html at least 6 were used that way]], and they have been used to turn at least three people into vampires in recent history (probably giving the giant guard and Vamp!Gontor protection from Daylight to boot). I can foresee it running out of juice.
* Jossed; Roy breaks it in the process of "returning" it to the new High Priest of Hel after Durkon leaves the Godsmoot.
[[WMG: Durkula really is still one of the goodguys.]]
For all the scenery-chewing and subterfuge, his evil plan was... to represent his goddess at a godsmoot. Like he said just after being turned, he's no more evil than Belkar (or V, for that matter). Although he won't let his teammates cure him - if that's even possible - his interests align with theirs, so he'll just be one more dodgy ally.
* Now that we know just for ''what reason'' he's representing his goddess, this one seems fairly definitively Jossed.
[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Detect Good on Tarquin]]
[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0836.html Elan comes up with his plan]] after Roy says the phrase "But I think in your case, it's better to find that sense of family among people that are good than it is to find a sense of good inside your family". Elan, being Elan, ignores the actual sentiment of Roy's statement and latches on to the words "sense" and "good". His plan is to prove that his father has good in him by having Durkon use magic to show everyone his alignment. What else would he need Durkon for? Of course, this will backfire spectacularly when Durkon casts his spell and proves that Tarquin is evil through and through, causing Elan to suffer a HeroicBSOD and then finally get the resolve to defeat his father.
* Unlikely, given that Elan has now accepted his father isn't going to change easily (if at all).
* Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Atonement on Tarquin]]
Atonement (or 'seduction') is a cleric 5th level spell that Durkon could reasonably know. While it's typically used on fallen paladins or clerics to restore their lost class levels after violating their alignment restrictions, it can also be used as a hassle-free 'change a character's established alignment to whatever you want' contrivance. Elan is hoping to use this spell on his father to change his alignment from Evil to Good. However, one of the caveats of this spell is that the target cannot be compelled (through magic, or otherwise) to accept the offer, so the real details of the plan will be in convincing his father Good is better than Evil. It's been established with Hinjo's talk with Miko after her fall that the Atonement spell exists in the [=OotS=] world, so there is precedence.
* Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
[[WMG: The Order of the Stick will be heading to Durkon's homeland at some point...]]
...only to find it completely destroyed by Xykon.
-->'''Durkon:''' How will I finally be returnin' ta me beloved dwarven homelands?
-->'''Oracle:''' Posthumously.
The Oracle never states it would be after ''Durkon'' dies; he meant it would be after ''all the other dwarves'' die. This is also the meaning of the dwarven prophecy that states the Durkon will destroy his homeland should he return.
* The word "posthumously," unfortunately, does unambiguously mean that ''Durkon'' will be dead when he returns. If he had asked, "How will my homeland greet my return?" and the answer was "Posthumously," ''that'' would mean his homeland would be dead when he returned.
* And in ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'', it's prophesied that "when next [Durkon] returns home, he will bring death and destruction for us all".
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Durkon ''chose'' to be vamped as part of Elan's "Super-Secret Plan".]]
In Strip #836, Elan mentions a plan which he needs Durkon's help with - which came to him just as Roy was talking about "finding a sense of good in your own family". Since he's GenreSavvy enough to, say, predict that Tarquin was the 'new Thog', he was expecting Malack to be coming after them at some point - and knows Malack's issues with Nale. Since Durkon had become good friends with him, his plan was for Durkon to use that connection to get into Tarquin's circle and act as a Good influence on them, or at least to sow additional conflict between Nale and Malack to the detriment of the whole group. Whether he predicted well enough to know that Malack was a vampire and that Durkon would have to be vamped is another question, as is whether it will actually do any good, but the existence of an Elan-Durkon plan is indisputable so it would be a cool way to bring that into fruition.
* Jossed. Durkon becoming a vampire was Malack's doing, and that isn't part of Elan's Plan.
[[WMG: Elan's Plan is to call his mother in]]
Roy's statement about finding family in people who are good instead of good in family reminded Elan about his Chaotic Good mother, that unnamed barmaid. Elan had Durkon cast a sending telling her about Tarquin's evil. When Elan's mom arrives, there'll be some touching reunions... then she'll sue Tarquin for unpaid alimony. The utter absurdity of it all (Plus the amount being charged) will not only bankrupt the Empire of Blood, but also torpedo Tarquin's plan of having a totally badass finish.
** It's one of the perfect ways for his "go out in an epic fashion" plan to fail! Seconded!
* Jossed. He was calling [[spoiler:Julio Scoundrel.]]
[[WMG: Durkon's parents were/are hippies.]]
So, every other Order member whose parents have been shown in the comic has a problematic relationship with them. In Durkon's case, it could mean that similarly with Ned Flanders on the TheSimpsons, his parents were ultra-laid back, and as a result, he overcompensated and became ultra-lawful and straitlaced.
* Jossed. Durkon's mother was in the Dwarf armed services, and he got on with her, and his father was deceased when Durkon was little.
[[WMG: Haley's father has already died, or else will die before Haley is able to free him.]]
With a setup like "thief girl with a good heart raising money to free her incarcerated father", there's no way it'll be that easy. Drama demands SOME complication, but as it's a nigh-unmentioned character motivation and the plot is getting into pretty dire territory as it is, it's unlikely there'll be plot space for the kind of buildup necessary to make freeing Ian appropriately awesome. Furthermore, Haley already got an absolutely ridiculous amount of cash from the dragon hoard - which was then abruptly blown up, when she and Vaarsuvius thought they'd have time for three trips. That was a plot necessity, as it kicked off the aphasia storyline... HOWEVER, it could also be DM railroading to keep Haley from having an ungodly amount of treasure when she wasn't going to need it.
* Their reunion won't be as easy as just paying for his release, that's almost a given.
* Looks increasingly likely, given what we've learned about Tyrinaria recently...
* [[spoiler: Partially Jossed: Haley's father is alive, they've reunited, but he's still in the slammer.]]
* Jossed again. He gets out alive.
[[WMG: Haley is Orrin Draketooth's missing daughter]]
Seriously. The legendary rouge has a red-haired daughter (when [[ConservationOfDetail Burlew didn't need to show hair at all]]), who mysteriously vanishes from her mother's care, when we already know that Haley was raised by her father, who shares a character class and a hair color with her Draketooth. [[Foreshadowing Haley even compares Draketooth to her father in the strip where this is all introduced!]]
* Additionally, Elan will be ecstatic about the whole thing, being the trope-loving man that he is, and someone will compare their meeting to that of Elan and Tarquin's.
* Word of God has already jossed this in the discussion thread for that strip. Also, Orrin's daughter would only be 15, Haley is in her mid 20s.
[[WMG: Nale will destroy Girard's Gate]]
What's really struck me about this latest story arc is the way it's put pressure on Nale. Not only has he been forced into the race for the Gates to an unprecedented extent, but more importantly, we've introduced a pair of characters who put his ingenuity to the test more than ever before. Tarquin and especially Malack put Nale in the same position Belkar was in while suffering from the Mark of Justice: he must evolve or die. Before now, Nale's solution to any given problem has been to assemble a team to tackle it head-on, but that's never beaten the OOTS, and with Tarquin, Malack and Xykon in the game the inadequacy of these tactics will become progressively more apparent. Nale's only hope of survival against such enemies is to display a level of cunning he's never shown before. With his back to the wall, Nale will only have one option to eliminate all his enemies: blow the Gate, destroying all his enemies in one fell swoop before teleporting to safety. He'll have to sacrifice Z'driti in the process, but that only makes sense: he's one of the last original members of the Linear Guild, and Nale's sacrificed Thog already this arc, the latest casualty of the comics systematic purge of stupid evil characters (see also: Samantha, Tsukiko, Crystal, Yukyuk). Having the fight for Girard's Gate end this way would also fit the recurring theme whereby a Gate's defense is overcome by a subversion of the Guardian's values: Just like Lirian's faith in Nature is overpowered by an unnatural foe and Soon's faith in the unbreakable honor of a paladin is betrayed by a fallen paladin, so Girard's faith in the loyalty of family will be foiled by a dysfunctional family member who in so doing attempts to kill his father and brother in the same moment. Having had to face the fire head-on and surviving, Nale will have finally ascend to the level of the other main antagonists in the comic, becoming a major player in the rush for Kraagor's Gate.
* I believe Girard's faith in family was undermined when [[spoiler:the fact that they were all related led to their downfall at the hands of V]]
** Jossed, Girard's Gate was destroyed by Roy.
[[WMG: Roy just went Super Saiyan]]
Typically Super Saiyans are characterized by their spiky golden hairs, but the rather less memetic physical effect is how their eyes turn green. Roy, being bald, cannot show the former - but he sure has the green eyes and BattleAura going on.
* Jossed, seemingly; Wrecan believes it is due to his family's sword being a Weapon of Legacy.
[[WMG: Durkula's staff is going to run out of charges very soon.]]
Staffs in 3.5 have 50 charges apiece, no one appears to have the Craft Staff feat, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html using them to raise zombies cost a few charges each]] and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0856.html at least 6 were used that way]], and they have been used to turn at least three people into vampires in recent history (probably giving the giant guard and Vamp!Gontor protection from Daylight to boot). I can foresee it running out of juice.
* Jossed; Roy breaks it in the process of "returning" it to the new High Priest of Hel after Durkon leaves the Godsmoot.
[[WMG: Durkula really is still one of the goodguys.]]
For all the scenery-chewing and subterfuge, his evil plan was... to represent his goddess at a godsmoot. Like he said just after being turned, he's no more evil than Belkar (or V, for that matter). Although he won't let his teammates cure him - if that's even possible - his interests align with theirs, so he'll just be one more dodgy ally.
* Now that we know just for ''what reason'' he's representing his goddess, this one seems fairly definitively Jossed.
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* He has been described as "he", but that doesn't preclude him being FTM {{Transsexual}}. Which would kind of be awesome, actually. IMO there are both too few FTM characters in popular fiction, and not enough trans characters for whom their gender identity isn't the main focus of their characterisation.
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* He has been described as "he", but that doesn't preclude him being FTM {{Transsexual}}.{{Transgender}}. Which would kind of be awesome, actually. IMO there are both too few FTM characters in popular fiction, and not enough trans characters for whom their gender identity isn't the main focus of their characterisation.
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SelfExplanatory. He's ''not'' coming back.
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* IReadThatAs Celia finding herself in a Soul Splice. Which would be an interesting twist.
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* IReadThatAs JustForFun/IReadThatAs Celia finding herself in a Soul Splice. Which would be an interesting twist.
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* Probably because the monster didn't really do a HeelFaceTurn in the sense the OP meant. The MitD didn't fight Xykon or Redcloak, nor "break O-Chul out". He just used, essentially, Teleport.
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* Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).
[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).
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* Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).end.
[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).
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[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).
[[WMG: Membership of the Order will (at least temporarily) include Hilgya as a replacement Durkon.]]
They're in need of a new cleric, and they're heading into dwarven lands. If she can convince them that she was never allied with their enemies then she'll become a member, either to help save the world (because Loki doesn't want it destroyed), to help save Durkon (because she still has feelings for him) or to get the chance to attack Durkon (because hell hath no fury).
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In the months since Azure City was conquered, O-Chul has become good friends with the MITD, and may yet convince the monster to turn against Xykon and Red Cloak at a critical moment. This will, if certain speculation about the MITD's identity is correct, lead to [[RuleOfCool O-Chul riding a Tarasque as a mount]] as the two of them plow through the Hobgoblins to escape.
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In the months since Azure City was conquered, O-Chul has become good friends with the MITD, [=MitD=] , and may yet convince the monster to turn against Xykon and Red Cloak at a critical moment. This will, if certain speculation about the MITD's [=MitD's=] identity is correct, lead to [[RuleOfCool O-Chul riding a Tarasque as a mount]] as the two of them plow through the Hobgoblins to escape.
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* V becoming a [[{{Exalted}} Green Sun Prince]]. Yes, I realize that this would involve a massive crossover (probably with KeychainOfCreation), but think about it: A Green Sun Prince exalts after an interview with a demon, who makes contact with them after they fail to fulfill a heroic destiny on their own terms. And, well...look at the White Treatise's Solar Circle spell list, or even the Infernal Charm list--if that's not "complete and total arcane power" by D&D standards, I don't know what is. V has already demonstrated some serious character flaws, as well as a willingness to go through with Faustian bargains under the right circumstances, so as long as his/her/its acceptance is exactly four words long (and none of this "three words and a stammer" nonsense), all the conditions of the prophecy have been fulfilled. Clearly, V is going to become a Defiler. Or if he isn't, [[CrazyAwesome someone should write fanfic about it.]]
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* V becoming a [[{{Exalted}} [[TabletopGame/{{Exalted}} Green Sun Prince]]. Yes, I realize that this would involve a massive crossover (probably with KeychainOfCreation), ''Webcomic/KeychainOfCreation''), but think about it: A Green Sun Prince exalts after an interview with a demon, who makes contact with them after they fail to fulfill a heroic destiny on their own terms. And, well...look at the White Treatise's Solar Circle spell list, or even the Infernal Charm list--if that's not "complete and total arcane power" by D&D standards, I don't know what is. V has already demonstrated some serious character flaws, as well as a willingness to go through with Faustian bargains under the right circumstances, so as long as his/her/its acceptance is exactly four words long (and none of this "three words and a stammer" nonsense), all the conditions of the prophecy have been fulfilled. Clearly, V is going to become a Defiler. Or if he isn't, [[CrazyAwesome someone should write fanfic about it.]]
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** [[spoiler: This doesn't actually Joss the theory, as Nale was killed only because he'd failed to demonstrate his usefulness to the rest of the group and then demanded that Tarquin withdraw his protection. The headline may be incorrect: Tarquin clearly didn't expect Malack to get killed right then, but the broader theory still holds.]]
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* Jossed: He did keep betraying Ian and getting him recaptured, but he was ultimately working for Buzzok, not Tarquin. There could still be some familial relationship between him and Miron, though they are clearly not the same person.
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* Jossed: He did keep betraying Ian and getting him recaptured, but he was ultimately working for Buzzok, not Tarquin. There could still be some familial relationship between him and Miron, though they are clearly not the same person.person.
[[WMG:In response to Elan and Haley's RelationshipUpgrade, Nale and Sabine are going to break up.]]
They are evil opposites, so now that Elan and Haley are an item, we're going to start seeing the relationship start to fray. In fact, I'd say it's happening already. Nale seemed distressed at the revelation that Sabine routinely has sex without him.
* Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
[[WMG:In response to Elan and Haley's RelationshipUpgrade, Nale and Sabine are going to break up.]]
They are evil opposites, so now that Elan and Haley are an item, we're going to start seeing the relationship start to fray. In fact, I'd say it's happening already. Nale seemed distressed at the revelation that Sabine routinely has sex without him.
* Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
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*** Not ''entirely'' Jossed. Haley [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0943.html admitted]] (to Blackwing) that she was just busting V's chops. The rest probably weren't, though, and we know from that same page that Elan wasn't.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0606.html Jossed in panel 6.]]
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0606.html Jossed in panel 6.]]]]
[[WMG: Haley's Uncle Geoff is working with Tarquin]]
I know, fairly obvious that he's the one responsible for Ian getting recaptured. But it runs on a deeper level. Compare Geoff to Miron (the guy with the bandanna on his face) in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0758.html this strip]]. Notice the baggy eyes?
* That could also explain why Geoff and Ian know about who really controls the politic situation and why a ransom note was sent to Haley when the empire is so far from Greysky City, since Ian didn't want Haley to get involved. However there's still the thing of Miron supposedly being with the Weeping King...
* Jossed: He did keep betraying Ian and getting him recaptured, but he was ultimately working for Buzzok, not Tarquin. There could still be some familial relationship between him and Miron, though they are clearly not the same person.
[[WMG: Haley's Uncle Geoff is working with Tarquin]]
I know, fairly obvious that he's the one responsible for Ian getting recaptured. But it runs on a deeper level. Compare Geoff to Miron (the guy with the bandanna on his face) in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0758.html this strip]]. Notice the baggy eyes?
* That could also explain why Geoff and Ian know about who really controls the politic situation and why a ransom note was sent to Haley when the empire is so far from Greysky City, since Ian didn't want Haley to get involved. However there's still the thing of Miron supposedly being with the Weeping King...
* Jossed: He did keep betraying Ian and getting him recaptured, but he was ultimately working for Buzzok, not Tarquin. There could still be some familial relationship between him and Miron, though they are clearly not the same person.
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** Jossed. Durkon killed Z instead.
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** Jossed. Durkon killed Z instead.instead.
[[WMG: Everyone will turn out to be characters at a table after they defeat the snarl.]]
The snarl was intended to be a TPK and after it dies, the DM will be so frustrated that he will attack the Order's players in Real Life.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0606.html Jossed in panel 6.]]
[[WMG: Everyone will turn out to be characters at a table after they defeat the snarl.]]
The snarl was intended to be a TPK and after it dies, the DM will be so frustrated that he will attack the Order's players in Real Life.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0606.html Jossed in panel 6.]]
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* {{Jossed}}, seeing as how [[spoiler:he just killed Nale for it]].
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* {{Jossed}}, seeing as how [[spoiler:he just killed Nale for over it]].
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* {{Jossed}}, seeing as how [[spoiler:he just killed Nale for over it]].
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html Jossed]]. His plan was apparently to get Durkon to call Captain Scoundrel Julio Scoundrél for help.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html Jossed]]. His plan was apparently to get Durkon to call Captain Scoundrel for help.help.
[[WMG: Durkon will vamp Z, getting a thirst for blood]]
Durkon, after rejoining the order, will vamp Z so they have a wizard until V's time with the IFCC runs out. Once V comes back, Durkon will send Z to the dwarflands to scout the area. Eventually, Durkon will ask the order to head to the dwarflands, perhaps making something up about wanting to get back in touch with being a dwarf. Once they get there, he and Z will meet up and bring death and destruction to the dwarflands as the oracle said he would, trying to form his own empire.
* Durkon already killed Z without biting him. There are probably more useful forms of undead he could turn him into if he opts for that.
** Jossed. Durkon killed Z instead.
[[WMG: Durkon will vamp Z, getting a thirst for blood]]
Durkon, after rejoining the order, will vamp Z so they have a wizard until V's time with the IFCC runs out. Once V comes back, Durkon will send Z to the dwarflands to scout the area. Eventually, Durkon will ask the order to head to the dwarflands, perhaps making something up about wanting to get back in touch with being a dwarf. Once they get there, he and Z will meet up and bring death and destruction to the dwarflands as the oracle said he would, trying to form his own empire.
* Durkon already killed Z without biting him. There are probably more useful forms of undead he could turn him into if he opts for that.
** Jossed. Durkon killed Z instead.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0928.html Jossed]]Jossed]]
*[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Atonement on Tarquin]]
Atonement (or 'seduction') is a cleric 5th level spell that Durkon could reasonably know. While it's typically used on fallen paladins or clerics to restore their lost class levels after violating their alignment restrictions, it can also be used as a hassle-free 'change a character's established alignment to whatever you want' contrivance. Elan is hoping to use this spell on his father to change his alignment from Evil to Good. However, one of the caveats of this spell is that the target cannot be compelled (through magic, or otherwise) to accept the offer, so the real details of the plan will be in convincing his father Good is better than Evil. It's been established with Hinjo's talk with Miko after her fall that the Atonement spell exists in the [=OotS=] world, so there is precedence.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html Jossed]]. His plan was apparently to get Durkon to call Captain Scoundrel for help.
*[[WMG: Elan's plan is for Durkon to cast Atonement on Tarquin]]
Atonement (or 'seduction') is a cleric 5th level spell that Durkon could reasonably know. While it's typically used on fallen paladins or clerics to restore their lost class levels after violating their alignment restrictions, it can also be used as a hassle-free 'change a character's established alignment to whatever you want' contrivance. Elan is hoping to use this spell on his father to change his alignment from Evil to Good. However, one of the caveats of this spell is that the target cannot be compelled (through magic, or otherwise) to accept the offer, so the real details of the plan will be in convincing his father Good is better than Evil. It's been established with Hinjo's talk with Miko after her fall that the Atonement spell exists in the [=OotS=] world, so there is precedence.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html Jossed]]. His plan was apparently to get Durkon to call Captain Scoundrel for help.
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[[WMG: Tarquin is going to cut off Elan's hand in strip no. 928.]]
That, or he'll give Roy a knife in the back, of course. But the last panel of strip 927 gave me a major Star Wars feeling.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0928.html Jossed]]
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** [[spoiler:Other way round. Tarquin killed Nale.]]]]
[[WMG:The Order of the Stick will escape Tarquin's attack on pteranodons]]
But not because V. has Charm Monster today. No, because Blackwing knows Dinosaur and points out that the people who removed their rider will also protect them on their flight to freedom if only they carry them with them.
Or maybe not. But it would be fun.
* [[spoiler: They escape on an Allosaurus]]
[[WMG:The Order of the Stick will escape Tarquin's attack on pteranodons]]
But not because V. has Charm Monster today. No, because Blackwing knows Dinosaur and points out that the people who removed their rider will also protect them on their flight to freedom if only they carry them with them.
Or maybe not. But it would be fun.
* [[spoiler: They escape on an Allosaurus]]
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** [[spoilers:Nale's dead.[[spoiler:Other way round. Tarquin killed Nale.]]
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* Again, Roy's the one who destroyed it.it.
[[WMG: Nale will kill his father and/or take control of his army]]
Before escaping Azure City, Nale became interested in the Gates. Nale's a pretty smart guy, and must realize that a team of six villains wouldn't stand a chance against Xykon's army if it ever came down to it. We also know Nale resents his father. Knowing the way Nale holds onto grudges, what better way to totally humiliate his father than by taking control of the warlord's troops, either by trickery or force? He could even pick three more Linear Guild members from any EliteMooks that happen to be in the army, and have the rest as cannon fodder ready to march at a moment's notice.
* Quite possible. Right now (strip 795) Nale is back at his father's empire. While he already has new members for his Linear Guild (Durkon's opposite hasn't appeared yet though, but there's no way Nale is back without a full Guild) I think Nale will take control of the empire thwarting his father's plan of living like a god or living as a legend, because Tarquin right now thinks Nale is dead and he expects Elan to be the one defeating him, if he is ever defeated. That would be a great PlotTwist for the comic, and this way there would be someone capable of fighting Xykon's troops. Then both armies would be mutually destroyed, leaving the Order with chances of defeating the Guild and Xykon.
** [[spoilers:Nale's dead.]]
[[WMG: Nale will kill his father and/or take control of his army]]
Before escaping Azure City, Nale became interested in the Gates. Nale's a pretty smart guy, and must realize that a team of six villains wouldn't stand a chance against Xykon's army if it ever came down to it. We also know Nale resents his father. Knowing the way Nale holds onto grudges, what better way to totally humiliate his father than by taking control of the warlord's troops, either by trickery or force? He could even pick three more Linear Guild members from any EliteMooks that happen to be in the army, and have the rest as cannon fodder ready to march at a moment's notice.
* Quite possible. Right now (strip 795) Nale is back at his father's empire. While he already has new members for his Linear Guild (Durkon's opposite hasn't appeared yet though, but there's no way Nale is back without a full Guild) I think Nale will take control of the empire thwarting his father's plan of living like a god or living as a legend, because Tarquin right now thinks Nale is dead and he expects Elan to be the one defeating him, if he is ever defeated. That would be a great PlotTwist for the comic, and this way there would be someone capable of fighting Xykon's troops. Then both armies would be mutually destroyed, leaving the Order with chances of defeating the Guild and Xykon.
** [[spoilers:Nale's dead.]]
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[[WMG: Malack is Tarquin's TokenGoodTeammate]]
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
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[[WMG: The Sand Monster summoned will kill someone]]
But its not gonna be Roy. It's gonna be the [[ExactWords "human with the greatsword."]]
* Jossed. The literal instruction was used to distract the silicon elemental, but it was destroyed by the Order (thanks to the return of Durkon) before it did any permanent damage.
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* Jossed. The literal instruction was used to distract the silicon elemental, but it was destroyed by the Order (thanks to the return of Durkon) before it did any permanent
[[WMG: Tarquin will cause Girard's Gate to be destroyed.]]
Each of the gates has been destroyed in a way that subverted the ideals of the one who created it.
* Lirian's gate was protected by nature and destroyed when the unnatural overpowered it.
* Dorukan's Gate was protected by runes only the pure of heart could use and destroyed by Stupid Good Elan.
* Soon's Gate was protected by the honour of a paladin and destroyed by a fallen paladin.
Girard believes the only unbreakable bond is family and used his family as a method of protection. Going with the theme already set up, having the gate destroyed due to a family as dysfunctional and untrusting as Elan's is only logical.
* Nope, it was Roy.
[[WMG: Girard's gate will self-destruct.]]
He's paranoid and clearly doesn't trust the only person he told the location of the gate. I believe that his gate is set to self-destruct if ANYONE tries to get near it unless they're a family member. The weakening of the fabric of the reality from the destruction of the gate might have some cosmetic changes to the setting that'll be indicative of a finale. Perhaps odd color skies whirling energy, etc.
* Again, Roy's the one who destroyed it.
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[[WMG: Malack is Tarquin's TokenGoodTeammate]]
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
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[[WMG: Tarquin fully intended to [[spoiler:get Malack killed]]]]
Tarquin's whole plot to [[spoiler:become a villain worthy of legend]] is mutually exclusive with [[spoiler:Malack's goal of creating a [[TheNecrocracy necrocracy]]]]. Tarquin's plot relies on being ''the'' BigBad, and getting overthrown by a hero; When he's overthrown, there won't be an [[spoiler:empire for Malack to inherit.]] If the Empire outlives Tarquin, he doesn't get BigBad status. As he is [[ItsAllAboutMe supremely egocentric]], he already planned to [[spoiler:dispose of Malack]] to keep his designs running smoothly; at most, he'll be upset because it happened sooner than expected.
* {{Jossed}}, seeing as how [[spoiler:he just killed Nale for it]].
Tarquin's whole plot to [[spoiler:become a villain worthy of legend]] is mutually exclusive with [[spoiler:Malack's goal of creating a [[TheNecrocracy necrocracy]]]]. Tarquin's plot relies on being ''the'' BigBad, and getting overthrown by a hero; When he's overthrown, there won't be an [[spoiler:empire for Malack to inherit.]] If the Empire outlives Tarquin, he doesn't get BigBad status. As he is [[ItsAllAboutMe supremely egocentric]], he already planned to [[spoiler:dispose of Malack]] to keep his designs running smoothly; at most, he'll be upset because it happened sooner than expected.
* {{Jossed}}, seeing as how [[spoiler:he just killed Nale for it]].
