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* It could be even more complicated than that. Her line "Somehow, I've always known" really means that, from the moment she met Luke, she had some kind of feeling for him. Having been raised as an only child, the only way she can interpret this sudden affection is as some kind of romantic or sexual attraction. Luke has the exact same problem, he never had any siblings to experience brotherly affection for. When they find out they're brother and sister, the pieces fall into place, and what they had (incorrectly) assumed to be a romantic attraction is revealed to be a sibling affection.
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** Jossed in-dialogue. Shortly after escaping the asteroid field, Han pulls his famous [[RefugeInAudacity hide-on-the-pursuing-Star-Destroyer trick. After that, he announces that they're in "The Anoat System," not "The Alderaan System." Moreover, Alderaan is a Core world, while Hoth is deep in the Outer Rim, and the Falcon was limping along at sublight since escaping from Hoth (though that raises the question of how the hell they made it to a completely different star system with the Imperial Fleet breathing down their necks the whole way.)
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** Not only that, but Yoda deliberately crashed Luke's ship in the bog for two reasons. First, to stress him out, and make his SecretTestOfCharacter more earnest. Second, he knew the X-Wing would eventually sink completely, providing the perfect exercise to test how well Luke was taking to his Jedi training. If he could get the ship out on his own, awesome. If he couldn't, Yoda could do it, and ''prove'' to Luke that "size matters not."
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[[WMG:Why did Darth Vader have the ''Millennium Falcons'' Hyperdrive repaired but deactivated? deactivated?]]
Did he actually intend to have them flee from Bespin and give a mock chase to make it seem like they had really gotten away by the skin of their teeth? Was it all according to plan for the upcoming Battle of Endor in the nextfilm? ]]
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* Lando has ordered it repaired, and the crew should believe him when he says it's fixed. If Lando believes it's working, then if anything goes wrong with Vader's plan and they make it to the ship, it will be an easy matter to pick them up.
* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2D2 being able to repair it.
Did he actually intend to have them flee from Bespin and give a mock chase to make it seem like they had really gotten away by the skin of their teeth? Was it all according to plan for the upcoming Battle of Endor in the next
* Lando has ordered it repaired, and the crew should believe him when he says it's fixed. If Lando believes it's working, then if anything goes wrong with Vader's plan and they make it to the ship, it will be an easy matter to pick them up.
* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2D2 being able to repair it.
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* Or Yoda is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]] at the end of his final incarnation. If "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords Last of the Timelords]]" is any indication, Timelords shrink down ''a lot'' when they get really old.
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It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the Millenium Falcon.
* The Millenium Falcon used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet in the Falcon is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.
* The Millenium Falcon used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet in the Falcon is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.
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It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the Millenium Falcon.
''Millennium Falcon''.
* TheMillenium Falcon ''Falcon'' used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet in the Falcon is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.
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[[WMG: Han Solo was a Nerf Herder before coming a smuggler.]]
Leia was right he does act like a Nerf Herder since he was one before getting the Falcon.
Leia was right he does act like a Nerf Herder since he was one before getting the Falcon.
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[[WMG: Han Solo was a Nerf Herder nerf herder before coming a smuggler.]]
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And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.
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And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" "Ridiculous" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.
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** A possible explanation is to invoke time dilation. Without hyperdrive, the ''Falcon'' travels along the Ison Corridor (a strip of systems that are unusually close together, including Hoth and Bespin) at maximum sublight speed; the time dilation effect makes the relative trip time noticeably shorter for the crew than the outside observer. Therefore, Luke spends more time training on Dagobah than Han and co. experienced before arriving at Bespin.
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* Or perhaps this first meeting with Luke was what started Vader on the path back from the Dark Side: his only son just rejected him, was willing to plunge to his (potential) death rather than join him. At the end of ESB Vader is pensive, and when he next meets Luke, he seems to have been contemplating his own relationship with the Dark Side. "It's too late for me, son," he says, as if he wishes it weren't.
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* Or perhaps this first meeting with Luke was what started Vader on the path back from the Dark Side: his only son just rejected him, was willing to plunge to his (potential) death rather than join him. Luke is a connection with his dead wife, but he cuts Luke's hand off. At the end of ESB Vader is pensive, and when he next meets Luke, he seems to have been contemplating his own relationship with the Dark Side. "It's too late for me, son," he says, as if he wishes it weren't.
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* Or perhaps this first meeting with Luke was what started Vader on the path back from the Dark Side: his only son just rejected him, was willing to plunge to his (potential) death rather than join him. At the end of ESB Vader is pensive, and when he next meets Luke, he seems to have been contemplating his own relationship with the Dark Side. "It's too late for me, son," he says, as if he wishes it weren't.
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* This fits in with the film's opening prologue, which mentions that Vader is "obsessed with finding young Skywalker". And, previously, he'd been obesessed with finding a way to save Padme and, years later, with finding the Death Star plans. Basically, you'll probably be alright as long as you don't get between Vader and his all-consuming goals.
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* This fits in with the film's opening prologue, which mentions that Vader is "obsessed with finding young Skywalker". And, previously, he'd been obesessed obsessed with finding a way to save Padme and, years later, with finding the Death Star plans. Basically, you'll probably be alright as long as you don't get between Vader and his all-consuming goals.
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Yoda tells Luke that in the cave was "only what you take with you." Luke took his weapons, and Vader appears before him, and when Luke decapitates him, the mask explodes revealing Luke's face. [[MortonsFork But even if Luke went in unarmed, Vader would still have appeared and attacked]] because what Luke truly took in with him was his deep-seated fear and anger, which Vader embodied.
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Yoda tells Luke that in the cave was "only what you take with you." Luke took his weapons, and Vader appears before him, and when Luke decapitates him, the mask explodes revealing Luke's face. [[MortonsFork But even if Luke went in unarmed, Vader would still have appeared and attacked]] appeared]] because what Luke truly took in with him was his deep-seated fear and anger, which Vader embodied.embodied. And if Luke wanted to become a Jedi, he'd have to learn to deal with them.
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[[WMG: The Cave encounter was an UnwinnableTrainingScenario.]]
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[[WMG: The Cave encounter was an UnwinnableTrainingScenario.UnwinnableTrainingSimulation.]]
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[[WMG: The Cave encounter was an UnwinnableTrainingScenario.]]
Yoda tells Luke that in the cave was "only what you take with you." Luke took his weapons, and Vader appears before him, and when Luke decapitates him, the mask explodes revealing Luke's face. [[MortonsFork But even if Luke went in unarmed, Vader would still have appeared and attacked]] because what Luke truly took in with him was his deep-seated fear and anger, which Vader embodied.
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** Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.
*** Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.
*** Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.
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** Even better: it's the remains of ''Alderaan''. The space slugs never bothered anyone before [[DugTooDeep until their planet was blown apart]] (they, being MadeOfIron, survived when nothing else could). That's why Leia is as surprised as anyone to discover they're inside the mouth of one.
*** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[FromACertainPointOfView There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"
*** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[FromACertainPointOfView There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"
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It just makes landing ships sensors go batty, that's why Luke's X-wing crashed. He turned it off so Luke could leave.leave.
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It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the Millenium Falcon.
Falcon.
* The Millenium Falcon used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet in the Falcon is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.
* The Millenium Falcon used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet in the Falcon is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.
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After everything that went down, Obi-Wan didn't think Vader was capable of redemption, and/or may have thought it better on the galaxy if he'd just [[MercyKill mercy killed]] Anakin on Mustafar. Obscuring certain details was a calculated attempt to make sure Luke would strike down Vader
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After everything that went down, Obi-Wan didn't think Vader was capable of redemption, and/or may have thought it better on the galaxy if he'd just [[MercyKill mercy killed]] Anakin on Mustafar. Obscuring certain details was a calculated attempt to make sure Luke would strike down VaderVader
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It just makes landing ships sensors go batty, that's why Luke's X-wing crashed. He turned it off so Luke could leave.
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It just makes landing ships sensors go batty, that's why Luke's X-wing crashed. He turned it off so Luke could leave.
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[[WMG: Obi-Wan's JediTruth was an attempt to kill Vader.]]
After everything that went down, Obi-Wan didn't think Vader was capable of redemption, and/or may have thought it better on the galaxy if he'd just [[MercyKill mercy killed]] Anakin on Mustafar. Obscuring certain details was a calculated attempt to make sure Luke would strike down Vader
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** [[FridgeBrilliance: He can't stand when people discuss the limits of the Force, because it reminds him that he failed to save his wife like he promised because the Force couldn't do what he wanted.]]
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** [[FridgeBrilliance: [[FridgeBrilliance He can't stand when people discuss the limits of the Force, because it reminds him that he failed to save his wife like he promised because the Force couldn't do what he wanted.promised.]]
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** [[FridgeBrilliance: He can't stand when people discuss the limits of the Force, because it reminds him that he failed to save his wife like he promised because the Force couldn't do what he wanted.]]
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She only kissed him to make Han jealous. There has never been any [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual tension between the two]], ever. It does not exist. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial There was certainly never any indication they were originally going to become a couple]] and the SeparatedAtBirth twist was a huge {{retcon}}. It was [[AllAccordingToPlan all according to GL's master plan.]]
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She only kissed him to make Han jealous. There has never been any [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual tension between the two]], ever.[[BlatantLies ever]]. It does not exist. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial There was certainly never any indication they were originally going to become a couple]] and the SeparatedAtBirth twist was a huge {{retcon}}. It was [[AllAccordingToPlan all according to GL's master plan.]]
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*** His beeping when Yoda showed up is something like "Yoda! It's you! We've come for your help!" rather than being started by his [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance]].
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*** His beeping when Yoda showed up is something like "Yoda! It's you! We've come for your help!" rather than being started by his the [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance]].appearance]] of a little green man.
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* Are you saying that he's secretly a super-old [[DragonBallZ Piccolo]]?
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*** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[FromACertainPointOfView There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"
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** People who insist that Leia only kissed Luke to make Han jealous seem to conveniently forget that that's not the only time she's kissed him (twice in ANH, and once more in ESB towards the end). Clearly, Leia was attracted to both Luke and Han, and if we have to take her "somehow, I've always known" line literally, that means she doesn't have any qualms with {{Twincest}}.
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[WMG: Yoda used to be taller.]]
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Only problem is, the timeline only gives a year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, but the others would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.
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Only problem is, the timeline only gives a year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, but the others would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.time.
[WMG: Yoda used to be taller.]]
People get shorter when they get old. Yoda officially lived to be 900. When Yoda was young, he was 6’ 5” and built like Shaquille O'Neal.
[WMG: Yoda used to be taller.]]
People get shorter when they get old. Yoda officially lived to be 900. When Yoda was young, he was 6’ 5” and built like Shaquille O'Neal.
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And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.
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And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.Luke.
[[WMG: Luke's training took years... Earth time.]]
Let's think about this. Firstly, there is no way Luke is going to be trained to anywhere near standard in a matter of days. Obviously the training is compressed film time. But what about Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids pottering about the galaxy with no hyperdrive? Distances between stars are literally light-years apart. It would have taken them time to get there, though possibly with the addition of time dilation, it might not seem so long.
Only problem is, the timeline only gives a year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, but the others would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.
[[WMG: Luke's training took years... Earth time.]]
Let's think about this. Firstly, there is no way Luke is going to be trained to anywhere near standard in a matter of days. Obviously the training is compressed film time. But what about Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids pottering about the galaxy with no hyperdrive? Distances between stars are literally light-years apart. It would have taken them time to get there, though possibly with the addition of time dilation, it might not seem so long.
Only problem is, the timeline only gives a year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, but the others would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.
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* Actually, Yoda used the Force to "help" crashing the ship in that place.
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* Actually, Yoda Yodea used the Force to "help" crashing the ship in that place.
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* Or the Tardis.
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* "The species' language"? So [[{{Planetville}} an entire species has only one language]]? What's ours? It it [[EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]], amiko?
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* "The species' language"? So [[{{Planetville}} an entire species has only one language]]? What's ours? It it [[EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage [[UsefulNotes/EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]], amiko?
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[[WMG: Lando was trying to get Han to fly away]]
...with a minimum of fuss. Throwing out old insults, basically being a jackass to him, bringing up a mutual old shame (read more about it in ''Scoundrels'' and the HanSoloTrilogy!)--and all of it meant to make Han pull a Cartman, tell Lando where to shove it, and fly away. Boom, no Solo, no trouble. Except Boba Fett and Vader were already there and very much in control; they basically point a gun at Lando's head, use Cloud City against him, and say Obey Or Die. And so he begrudginly lets Han in to the city, knowing [[OhCrap full damn well what's going to happen to all of them]].
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[[WMG: There is a boggart living in the Dark Side Cave]]
And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.
[[WMG: There is a boggart living in the Dark Side Cave]]
And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculus" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.