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** Jossed by the special edition of Return of the Jedi, which shows Naboo is still around and no worse for wear, aside from Imperial control for many years.

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** * Jossed by the special edition of Return ''Return of the Jedi, Jedi'', which shows Naboo is still around and no worse for wear, aside from Imperial control for many years.years.
* Also, there's a deleted scene of Yoda arriving at Dagobah in ''Revenge of the Sith''.
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** Jossed by the special edition of Return of the Jedi, which shows Naboo is still around and no worse for wear, aside from Imperial control for many years.
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* That was a big/long "jealousy" kiss.
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* Maybe the falcon is related to Christine.

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* Maybe the falcon is related to Christine.Christine.

[[WMG: Han Solo was a Nerf Herder before coming a smuggler.]]

Leia was right he does act like a Nerf Herder since he was one before getting the Falcon.
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It makes a whole lot of sense.

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[[WMG: Dagobah is Naboo.]]
Naboo: Swampy? Check. Out of the way backwater? Check. Chock-full of strange animals? Check. Good to go! Admittedly, the Gungans are missing, but knowing Palpatine's racism, it would be just like him to kill them all. And it would be easy to miss Theed-it's not that big of a city.
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It was jealous of Leia.

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It was jealous of Leia.Leia.
* Maybe the falcon is related to Christine.

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[[WMG: The reason the Millennium Falcon was acting weird...]]
It was jealous of Leia.
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* I hate to say it, but this makes sense. In fact, Ozzel would be perfect as a double agent: who would expect ''this guy'' to work for the Rebels?
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* This fits in with the film's opening prologue, which mentions that Vader is "obsessed with finding young Skywalker". And, previously, he'd been obesessed with finding a way to save Padme and, years later, with finding the Death Star plans. Basically, you'll probably be alright as long as you don't get between Vader and his all-consuming goals.

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** Even better: it's the remains of ''Alderaan''. The space slugs never bothered anyone before [[DugTooDeep until their planet was blown apart]] (they, being MadeOfIron, survived when nothing else could). That's why Leia is as surprised as anyone to discover they're inside the mouth of one.


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[[WMG: Leia knew she was Luke's sister all along.]]
She only kissed him to make Han jealous. There has never been any [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual tension between the two]], ever. It does not exist. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial There was certainly never any indication they were originally going to become a couple]] and the SeparatedAtBirth twist was a huge {{retcon}}. It was [[AllAccordingToPlan all according to GL's master plan.]]

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**** Nope, only C3PO's.

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**** Nope, only C3PO's.[=C3PO=]'s.
***** How much of C-3PO's mind was erased?
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**** Nope, only C3PO's.
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*** But, wasn't R2's mind wiped at the of Episode III?

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*** But, wasn't R2's mind wiped at the end of Episode III?
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*** But, wasn't R2's mind wiped at the of Episode III?

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** [[TheChessMaster R2D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]

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** [[TheChessMaster [[TheChessmaster R2D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]]]
*** His beeping when Yoda showed up is something like "Yoda! It's you! We've come for your help!" rather than being started by his [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance]].



* One of the best WMGs I've ever read.

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* One of the best WMGs [=WMG=]s I've ever read.
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* It is likely that he is indeed angry when choking Motti - if you listen carefully you can hear his mechanical breathing get more rapid, and he doesn't show any signs of letting go before Tarkin orders him to. He probably has a notorious temper in general, but I do think you are right that it peaks during this period.
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* One of the best WMGs I've ever read.
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Chances are Vader's tenure in the Empire probably resembled what it was on the Death Star. An intimidating figure to be sure, and one not above being remarkably cruel to his enemies, but likely not the BadBoss killing his own men at the snap of a finger like he was here.

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Chances are Vader's tenure in the Empire probably resembled what it was on the first Death Star. An intimidating figure to be sure, and one not above being remarkably cruel to his enemies, but likely not the BadBoss killing his own men at the snap of a finger like he was here.
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[[WMG: Vader's YouHaveFailedMe tendencies are largely limited to this period.]]
While EU material immediately latched onto Vader acting like a heartless overlord to his underlings all the time, both A New Hope and Return of the Jedi don't really show him acting that bad to Imperial officers. He Force chokes Motti on the Death Star, but that's because he was showing severe disrespect for him and his powers, and Vader's reaction is to powerfully taunt him rather than get angry. Notice how casually he stops when ordered by Tarkin.

He's unforgiving and ruthless in ESB is because he's desperate to find Luke and gets angry at anyone who hampers that search. Following Luke's escape into hyperspace Vader simply walks by Piett without a word, demonstrating he doesn't care enough about the Imperial's failure to catch the Falcon to even reprimand him. With Luke already rejecting him, there's not much point to getting upset with any of his officers about it.

Chances are Vader's tenure in the Empire probably resembled what it was on the Death Star. An intimidating figure to be sure, and one not above being remarkably cruel to his enemies, but likely not the BadBoss killing his own men at the snap of a finger like he was here.
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* Latin has a tendency to put the verb at the end of the sentence, and as verb conjugation includes an implied pronoun, it sometimes puts the subject at the end as well. Yoda may be speaking a much older and more structured and formal dialect of Basic, switching only when immediate precision is necessary.
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[[WMG: The asteroid field is the remains of a planet.]]
There are actually hundreds of those space slugs. They're sort of a species of geological parasite that incubates in the warm cores of planets until they reach full size, and the tectonic plate disruption of their simultaneous maturity is enough to rip the planet to shreds.
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[[WMG:The end scene]]
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the Millenium Falcon.
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** [[TheChessMaster R2D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]
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* This theory is actually pointed out and discussed in-universe by Luke and Ben Skywalker in the ''Fate of the Jedi'' series.
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Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.

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Where ***Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.
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\nWhere was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.
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\n** Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.

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* In the prequels, Yoda is seen teaching the younglings. The sentence construction could just be a way to make his teachings more memorable. After all, 900 years is plenty of time to get good at memetics.
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General Rieekan’s defense did suspiciously little to stop the Empire’s forces, if not for the improvised tow cables the snowspeeder would have been useless. Rieekan’s original plan wouldn’t have stopped a single walker! Rebels were discovered on Hoth, Echo Base destroyed, and the rebellion routed – just as planned.


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General Rieekan’s defense did suspiciously little to stop the Empire’s forces, if not for the improvised tow cables the snowspeeder snowspeeders would have been completely useless. Rieekan’s original plan wouldn’t have stopped a single walker! Rebels were discovered on Hoth, Echo Base destroyed, and the rebellion routed – just as planned.

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[[WMG:General Rieekan is an Imperial agent.]]
General Rieekan’s defense did suspiciously little to stop the Empire’s forces, if not for the improvised tow cables the snowspeeder would have been useless. Rieekan’s original plan wouldn’t have stopped a single walker! Rebels were discovered on Hoth, Echo Base destroyed, and the rebellion routed – just as planned.

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