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** An intereting point is that the Meta appears to be the collection of AIs not Maine himself, And the size difference may be explained by his armour as it is quite bulky compared to everyone elses. The Alien DNA can be supported through his mannerisms... the feral style Maine can adopt, the ability to stand up and fight after being shot in the neck. All these can point to come alien DNA. But there are other ways in which these things can be put in. Like (Even though the canonocity of the series is questionable) The Spartan III program with its painkilling affects. But he does seem very capable with that brute shot though... and the cast didn't mention weirdness because Maine was always weird and they accepted it and viewed it as unimportant when compared to everything else.

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** An intereting point is that the Meta appears to be the collection of AIs and not Maine himself, And the size difference may be explained by his armour as it is quite bulky compared to everyone elses. elses'. The Alien DNA can be supported through his mannerisms... mannerisms, as well as other things like the feral style that Maine can adopt, adopt and the ability to stand up and fight after being shot in the neck. All of these can point to come some alien DNA. But DNA, but there are other ways in which these things can be put in. Like (Even though in-- like the canonocity of the series is questionable) The Spartan III program with its painkilling affects. affects (even though RvB's canonicity is questionable). But he does seem very capable with that brute shot though... though, and the cast didn't mention wouldn't have mentioned weirdness because Maine was had always been weird and they accepted it and viewed it as unimportant when compared to everything else.
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They were looking for someone to try and negotiate with the aliens, but everyone was too scared to. Then, shortly after their new infiltration specialist arrived, Tucker mistakenly believed his services were needed to punctuate the inherent innuendo. When he realized it was Donut, he was ashamed and attempted to leave. However, noticing Junior, they decided that he might make a good ambassador, and offered him a new position[[hottip:*:bow chikka bow wow]].

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They were looking for someone to try and negotiate with the aliens, but everyone was too scared to. Then, shortly after their new infiltration specialist arrived, Tucker mistakenly believed his services were needed to punctuate the inherent innuendo. When he realized it was Donut, he was ashamed and attempted to leave. However, noticing Junior, they decided that he might make a good ambassador, and offered him a new position[[hottip:*:bow position[[note]]bow chikka bow wow]].
wow[[/note]].
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* His codename? "Florida".

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* His *His codename? "Florida".
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* His codename? "Florida".

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* His *His codename? "Florida".



* It's possible, even, that he has found the way out that he mentioned...but that it's not the way out Command is offering. Double meanings, mistrust of authority, and hidden Xanatos Gambits are all established parts of his character.

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* It's possible, even, that he has found the way out that he mentioned...but that it's not the way out Command is offering. Double meanings, mistrust of authority, and hidden Xanatos Gambits {{plan}}s are all established parts of his character.

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* And his codename? "Florida".
** Unlikely, since the whole point of putting Church in Blood Gulch was to keep him ''away'' from Freelancers. Tex was only sent in because doing so fit into Commands XanatosRoulette to win the war.
*** Whelp, he wasn't Agent Florida, but Agent Florida was involved.

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* And his *His codename? "Florida".
** Unlikely, since the whole point of putting Church in Blood Gulch was to keep him ''away'' from Freelancers. Tex was only sent in because doing so fit into Commands XanatosRoulette to win the war.
*** Whelp, he wasn't Agent Florida, but Agent Florida was involved.
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[[WMG: Tucker wasn't responsible for the crash, he only believes he was]]
* While we are led to believe that Tucker caused the crash that marooned the Reds and Blues (he certainly thinks so), how on Earth could he have caused a that big of a disaster just from flirting with the pilot? I think that the crash was caused by the mystery person stalking the Reds and Blues, and Tucker is just convinced that he caused it. Anyone who would've known why the ship crashed is dead now, so it's not much of a stretch to say that Tucker is horribly mistaken.
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** It's actually heavily implied Tucker was the cause of the accident, which is where Wash's suspicions lie.

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** * It's actually heavily implied Tucker was the cause of the accident, which is where Wash's suspicions lie.
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** It's actually heavily implied Tucker was the cause of the accident, which is where Wash's suspicions lie.




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* Unlikely, considering [[spoiler:the thing he found was "Freckles", an AI-controlled Mantis that survived the crash.]]
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*** There was a body. It was left in Valhalla when the Meta claimed her. WordOfGod confirms she, Alpha, Sigma, Gamma, Eta and Iota (apparently merged at the time), Theta, Delta, and Omega were all destroyed in the EMP blast.
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[[WMG:The Director is [[MassEffect the Illusive Man]]]]

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[[WMG: Church/ Alpha's original (pre-team kill) body was actually a real person]]
This person was mind raped and tortured until it had no personality of itself, then had Alpha put into him. If this is true, it makes the Director even more of a monster.




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* With the reveal that Captain Flowers was [[spoiler:Agent Florida]], and Caboose and Sheila appeared only after he died, it makes even more sense Caboose was a Freelancer.



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*** First rule of death in fiction: If there's no body, they could still be alive.
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** Seriously. The guy's got an EVA helmet and mismatched shoulders. Who else is it gonna be?


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** The Beta AI (Alpha Tex) was collected by the Meta and killed in the EMP at the end of Season 6.
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* Tex. The one who disappeared at the end of season five.
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* A surviving Insurrectionist, to tie off their hanging plot threads. Extra points if they are the mercenaries Church and Carolina left to track down.

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*I personally wouldn't be surprised if the "planet" is Requiem.


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*Partially-confirmed: [[spoiler: He managed to get an AI-controlled Mantis out of the crash. [[FluffyTheTerrible He calls it "Freckles".]]]]

[[WMG: The soldier at the end of S.O.S. is...]]
*[[BackFromTheDead The Meta]]
*Agent Carolina
*[[HaloReach Jun]]
*One of the members of Black Team.
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[[WMG: The thing Caboose found caused the crash.]]
It might have needed to them to get free, or some other reason, but it caused the crash.

[[WMG: The thing Caboose found was an AI.]]
Because whats Red vs Blue without one of those.


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** Also, brilliantly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] from the original series in that the Red team has the only soldiers who are actually concerned with "winning the war" - Sarge and Simmons - where the Blue team is generally apathetic to the war overall.

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** Also, brilliantly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] from the original series in that the Red team has the only soldiers who are actually concerned with "winning the war" - Sarge and Simmons - where the Blue team is generally apathetic to the war overall.

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In episode 2 Season 11, Wash says he has a hard time believing that hundreds of well-trained crew members caused the ship to crash. I'm guessing that O'Malley or another malevolent AI fragment is still out there, and purposefully caused the crash. Whoever did it will be the antagonist for this season.

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In episode 2 Season 11, Wash says he has a hard time believing that hundreds of well-trained crew members caused the ship to crash. I'm guessing that O'Malley or another malevolent AI fragment is still out there, and purposefully caused the crash. Whoever did it will be the antagonist for this season. season.

[[WMG: The planet the BGC are stranded on is important]]
They've been stranded on a strange planet. Wash pointed out that the shipwreck was probably not an accident. So it's entirely possible someone forced the ship down. It's also possible they did so on that particular planet for a reason. So the big, important question that needs to be asked is... [[spoiler:You ever wonder why we're ''here''?]]
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[[WMG: The shipwreck wasn't an accident.]]
In episode 2 Season 11, Wash says he has a hard time believing that hundreds of well-trained crew members caused the ship to crash. I'm guessing that O'Malley or another malevolent AI fragment is still out there, and purposefully caused the crash. Whoever did it will be the antagonist for this season.
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[[WMG: Sarge was a member of the insurrection]]
He probably wasn't part of the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad main enemies]], but could have been a [[EliteMook high-level nameless mook]] of some sort, given that he was an ODST and the main enemies have ODST armor.
* He never brought it up because there was no need to before the freelancers showed up, and once they did, it would be a terrible idea to mention it.
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* MIGHT be possible, considering the season 11 trailer, right after the Reds and Blues are done talking, the screen fades and you can hear what sounds like the Metas signature growl/snarl.
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*** One note is that the books stated that the Spartan II armor was specifically designed to such a degree that the average person would be ripped to shreds if they used it (think that one poor guy in Iron Man 2 that was trying that prototype knock off). However, the Spartan IIIs which made up most of the cast in Reach were specifically a different branch of ONI trying to "mass produce" the SII project - the SII's were trained from 6 years and deployed when they'd fully matured while the SIIIs were able to use a similar age group but have them going within a few years. It isn't unreasonable to assume that other branches of ONI were trying something similar - and so it's not hard to argue that the Freelancer project falls along that timeline. Keep in mind that the SIIs were deployed for most of the 27 year war so there was plenty of time for these projects to get started.

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*** One note is that the books stated that the Spartan II armor was specifically designed to such a degree that the average person would be ripped to shreds if they used it (think that one poor guy in Iron Man 2 that was trying that prototype knock off). However, the Spartan IIIs [=Spartan IIIs=] which made up most of the cast in Reach were specifically a different branch of ONI trying to "mass produce" the SII [=SII=] project - the SII's [=SII's=] were trained from 6 years and deployed when they'd fully matured while the SIIIs [=SIIIs=] were able to use a similar age group but have them going within a few years. It isn't unreasonable to assume that other branches of ONI were trying something similar - and so it's not hard to argue that the Freelancer project falls along that timeline. Keep in mind that the SIIs [=SIIs=] were deployed for most of the 27 year war so there was plenty of time for these projects to get started.



* Why not just spartan IIIs who were poached from the program before their suicide mission?

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* Why not just spartan IIIs [=Spartan IIIs=] who were poached from the program before their suicide mission?



* He might just be talking about the almighty Spartan IIs, like Master Chief. Spartan IIIs were genetically altered to impressive effects, but they were nowhere near the power of the IIs.
* Here's a thought: they're Spartan II washouts. It was mentioned that most washouts went on to work for ONI. What if Project Freelancer recruited them?

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* He might just be talking about the almighty Spartan IIs, [=Spartan IIs=], like Master Chief. Spartan IIIs [=Spartan IIIs=] were genetically altered to impressive effects, but they were nowhere near the power of the IIs.
[=IIs=].
* Here's a thought: they're Spartan II washouts. It was mentioned that most washouts went on to work for ONI.[=ONI=]. What if Project Freelancer recruited them?



* Something that should be noted: In Halo, it was sadi that the Mjolnir armor was so heavy that if an unaltered human tried to wear it, they would literally tear themselves apart if they tried to move. The freelancers seem to lack the modifications that the Spartan-IIs had, most likely being unaltered, or having modifications closer to Spartan-IIIs. Perhaps the Freelancers use a form of armor similar to Mjolnir, but much lighter. Perhaps they Insurrectionists are trying to reverse-engineer that sort of armor. Or, going with the "Insurrectionists are actually the UNSC" theory below, perhaps the UNSC is trying to reverse-engineer that sort of armor for use with Spartan-IIIs.

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* Something that should be noted: In Halo, it was sadi that the Mjolnir armor was so heavy that if an unaltered human tried to wear it, they would literally tear themselves apart if they tried to move. The freelancers seem to lack the modifications that the Spartan-IIs [=Spartan-IIs=] had, most likely being unaltered, or having modifications closer to Spartan-IIIs.[=Spartan-IIIs=]. Perhaps the Freelancers use a form of armor similar to Mjolnir, but much lighter. Perhaps they Insurrectionists are trying to reverse-engineer that sort of armor. Or, going with the "Insurrectionists are actually the UNSC" theory below, perhaps the UNSC is trying to reverse-engineer that sort of armor for use with Spartan-IIIs.
[=Spartan-IIIs=].
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* Church firmly believed himself to be an actual soldier in an actual body (and later, a ghost possessing a robot body). The only person who could have told him otherwise, Flowers/Florida, was long dead by the time Tex showed up. Church and the rest of the Blood Gulch crew being completely unaware of his true nature is a major part of what drives season 6. It's pretty well agreed that Tex being "sent" by command is either due to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, or Vic just being, well, Vic.
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[[WMG: Tex made a truce with the Director at some point after her rebellion.]]
In season one, she was sent by command to help the Blue team, so clearly she is a legitimate agent again by the time BGC started. In Out of Mind, we see a Tex, Church and Wyoming in the same scene. Church has a body and believes himself a soldier, which means it was after his attempted liberation and after he cast off Epsilon and forgot he was an AI, which means it was after Tex's rebellion (unless the Director allows Alpha to inhabit a robot body and mingle as long he pretends to be a soldier). Being both based on the Director's lover, and the fact that she is an AI that the Director would want to keep tabs on, she is very easily forgiven.
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* This isn't a WMG if you're caught up on season 10. Carolina states outright that the Meta arc occurred because Sigma was designed for her, not Maine. Furthermore, either Eta or Iota was originally intended for Wash, and it was the news of ''Tex's'' death that caused Epsilon to split off from Alpha.
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[[WMG: Each AI was engineered for a particular person.]]
This is supported when Gamma told Alpha that Washington had died, so Alpha would split off Epsilon, which was meant for Washington. Note that when Tex holds the Omega AI, she is barely affected by it. She become slightly more aggressive, but for the most part, she is in control. When anybody else gets a hold of it, it completely takes them over. Something similar probably happened for Sigma. If Carolina had accepted Sigma, she would be more ambitious, but she still would've been in control and the entire Meta arc would never have happened. But since she gave it to Maine, someone who wasn't meant to have the AI, it completely took him over. Delta could in theory do this to the people that held him, but he's not as aggressive as Sigma or Omega, and thus simply chooses not to.
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The Director sent Captain Flowers to watch over Alpha, and presumably send him reports. After four years of no reports, the Director was likely wondering what happened to the Alpha. Sister explicitly stated that she was sent because Captain Flowers died. She couldn't give the real story, since the whole thing is supposed to be a coverup, so that's why she initially went to red base. She's not actually color blind, she was just trying to cover her ass since the whole red/blue thing is a sham (and it's possible nobody told her the Alpha would be on the Blue Team). She's also not that stupid, she just plays dumb as a cover, and really doesn't give a shit. It explains why somebody assigned to the Blue Team didn't have blue armor. Also note that while talking to Tex, Church said he suspected that Sister was into him. It's possible he mistook her investigating/note taking as romantic interest. As for why she didn't follow him out of Blood Gulch, she probably figured she was releived when Captain Flowers came back to life and partied. Or, if she's anything like her brother, she just BS's her reports and parties in Blood Gulch out of laziness.

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The Director sent Captain Flowers to watch over Alpha, and presumably send him reports. After four years of no reports, the Director was likely wondering what happened to the Alpha. Sister explicitly stated that she was sent because Captain Flowers died. She couldn't give the real story, since the whole thing is supposed to be a coverup, so that's why she initially went to red base. She's not actually color blind, she was just trying to cover her ass since the whole red/blue thing is a sham (and it's possible nobody told her the Alpha would be on the Blue Team). She's also not that stupid, she just plays dumb as a cover, and really doesn't give a shit. It explains why somebody assigned to the Blue Team didn't have blue armor. Also note that while talking to Tex, Church said he suspected that Sister was into him. It's possible he mistook her investigating/note taking as romantic interest. As for why she didn't follow him out of Blood Gulch, she probably figured she was releived when Captain Flowers came back to life and partied. Or, if she's anything like her brother, she just BS's her reports and parties in Blood Gulch out of laziness.
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[[WMG: Sister was a Freelancer agent]]
The Director sent Captain Flowers to watch over Alpha, and presumably send him reports. After four years of no reports, the Director was likely wondering what happened to the Alpha. Sister explicitly stated that she was sent because Captain Flowers died. She couldn't give the real story, since the whole thing is supposed to be a coverup, so that's why she initially went to red base. She's not actually color blind, she was just trying to cover her ass since the whole red/blue thing is a sham (and it's possible nobody told her the Alpha would be on the Blue Team). She's also not that stupid, she just plays dumb as a cover, and really doesn't give a shit. It explains why somebody assigned to the Blue Team didn't have blue armor. Also note that while talking to Tex, Church said he suspected that Sister was into him. It's possible he mistook her investigating/note taking as romantic interest. As for why she didn't follow him out of Blood Gulch, she probably figured she was releived when Captain Flowers came back to life and partied. Or, if she's anything like her brother, she just BS's her reports and parties in Blood Gulch out of laziness.

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