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14th May '17 12:45:37 PM FordPrefect
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** I agree with your justifications but its more likely that the Freelancers were an attempt to produce a Spartan-like soldier without having to do all the modifications and training.

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** I agree with your justifications but its it's more likely that the Freelancers were an attempt to produce a Spartan-like soldier without having to do all the modifications and training.



** As for the time line, we know that Recreation is 15 months(1.25 years) after Halo 3 and that the end of Blood Gulch Chronicles is before Halo 3 because Tex and Wyoming are trying to end the war with Junior. Also, back in episode 1 Grif and Simmons talk about how Master Chief blew up the Covenant armada which happens after Halo:CE. My guess for the timeline is that seasons 1-5 happen sometime after Halo:CE and before Halo 3, with the rest of the series after Halo 3.
** Makes sense with a few tweaks to the timeline, Project Feelancer had been active for quite some time prior to the start of the series, and some of the timing would be off, more likely Freelancer was established well before Halo 1, the current Blood Gulch crew gets assighned some time after 1, with the series itself taking place shortly before or even concurrently with the events of 2 and 3.

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** As for the time line, we know that Recreation is 15 months(1.months (1.25 years) after Halo 3 and that the end of Blood Gulch Chronicles is before Halo 3 because Tex and Wyoming are trying to end the war with Junior. Also, back in episode 1 Grif and Simmons talk about how Master Chief blew up the Covenant armada which happens after Halo:CE. My guess for the timeline is that seasons 1-5 happen sometime after Halo:CE and before Halo 3, with the rest of the series after Halo 3.
** Makes sense with a few tweaks to the timeline, Project Feelancer Freelancer had been active for quite some time prior to the start of the series, and some of the timing would be off, more likely Freelancer was established well before Halo 1, the current Blood Gulch crew gets assighned assigned some time after 1, with the series itself taking place shortly before or even concurrently with the events of 2 and 3.



*** OR it was a group of humans in really high tech Elite costumes playing the foreign heel, and Grifball is all Kafaybe.

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*** OR it was a group of humans in really high tech Elite costumes playing the foreign heel, and Grifball is all Kafaybe.
Kayfabe.



** An intereting point is that the Meta appears to be the collection of AIs and not Maine himself, And the size difference may be explained by his armour as it is quite bulky compared to everyone elses'. The Alien DNA can be supported through his mannerisms, as well as other things like the feral style that Maine can adopt and the ability to stand up and fight after being shot in the neck. All of these can point to some alien DNA, but there are other ways in which these things can be put in-- like the Spartan III program with its painkilling affects (even though RvB's canonicity is questionable). But he does seem very capable with that brute shot though, and the cast wouldn't have mentioned weirdness because Maine had always been weird and they accepted it and viewed it as unimportant when compared to everything else.

[[WMG: The next season will cover what Tucker and Donut were doing between Blood Gulch and Relocated.]] Besides tying up loose ends such as Donut's and Tucker's envolvement at the temple, it would let the events of the Recollection trilogy settle better in the minds of the viewers before any continuation of the series proper. Plus, it would give the Rooster Teeth crew time to plan for any future seasons set after Revelation.
[[WMG: During the time jump they only went a few years into the future.]] Think about it, how else is it that pretty much nothing had really changed in the jump. It explains how Sheila wasn't all rusted up by the time they arrived and that the war was still going on. Also why would they have started their whole scheme to control the aliens hundreds of years later.

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** An intereting interesting point is that the Meta appears to be the collection of AIs and not Maine himself, And and the size difference may be explained by his armour as it is quite bulky compared to everyone elses'.else's. The Alien DNA can be supported through his mannerisms, as well as other things like the feral style that Maine can adopt and the ability to stand up and fight after being shot in the neck. All of these can point to some alien DNA, but there are other ways in which these things can be put in-- like the Spartan III program with its painkilling affects (even though RvB's canonicity is questionable). But he does seem very capable with that brute shot though, and the cast wouldn't have mentioned weirdness because Maine had always been weird and they accepted it and viewed it as unimportant when compared to everything else.

[[WMG: The next season will cover what Tucker and Donut were doing between Blood Gulch and Relocated.]] Besides tying up loose ends such as Donut's and Tucker's envolvement involvement at the temple, it would let the events of the Recollection trilogy settle better in the minds of the viewers before any continuation of the series proper. Plus, it would give the Rooster Teeth crew time to plan for any future seasons set after Revelation.
[[WMG: During the time jump they only went a few years into the future.]] Think about it, how else is it that pretty much nothing had really changed in the jump. jump? It explains how Sheila wasn't all rusted up by the time they arrived and that the war was still going on. Also why would they have started their whole scheme to control the aliens hundreds of years later. later?



** Or, perhaps Vic Jr was [[spoiler: an [=AI=], as was implied in the "Thank You For Play The RvB" ending of Episode 100]]

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** Or, perhaps Vic Jr was [[spoiler: an [=AI=], as was implied in the "Thank You For Play The RvB" ending of Episode 100]]100]].



** That was because that ship belonged Sister, who experience her own time jump by going faster than the speed of light. Shiela however, went into the future the old fashioned way.
*** Then again, Sister is a collosal idiot...

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** That was because that ship belonged to Sister, who experience experienced her own time jump by going faster than the speed of light. Shiela Sheila, however, went into the future the old fashioned way.
*** Then again, Sister is a collosal colossal idiot...



** But if ther was no timeskip at all, not even a small one, how'd they all wind up in that random desert? If Gamma's teleportation did that, why'd he send them there of all places?

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** But if ther there was no timeskip at all, not even a small one, how'd they all wind up in that random desert? If Gamma's teleportation did that, why'd he send them there of all places?
14th May '17 12:41:18 PM FordPrefect
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* This is possibly confirmed, as something comes up in the final scene of Season 13. When Church chooses to break himself down and delete is memories, he leaves the individual A.I. fragments (such as Delta, Theta, etc) behind. In one brief blink and you'll miss it glimpse of one shot, you can see the fragments in front of the soldiers, with Carolina's two A.I. units being in front of Caboose, indicating that the members of the group received the A.I. fragments and Caboose has received the two.

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* This is possibly confirmed, as something comes up in the final scene of Season 13. When Church chooses to break himself down and delete is his memories, he leaves the individual A.I. fragments (such as Delta, Theta, etc) behind. In one brief blink and you'll miss it blink-and-you'll-miss-it glimpse of one shot, you can see the fragments in front of the soldiers, with Carolina's two A.I. units being in front of Caboose, indicating that the members of the group received the A.I. fragments and Caboose has received the two.
25th Apr '17 6:13:37 PM streakson22
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* WMG/RedVsBlueSeasonFifteen
25th Apr '17 6:09:39 PM streakson22
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It was an elaborate prank that Sarge came up with specifically to mess with him. Simmons was in on it, while Donut was also tricked into believing the story. The reason why Simmons being a cyborg is still occasionally referenced while Grif being a Frankenstein's monster isn't is because the latter isn't true.

[[WMG: The Prologue of Season 15 will be subject to a OnceMoreWithClarity]]
It'll be shown that the Blood Gulch Crew's actions aren't as heartless as they seem, a series of factors just lead to it looking like that to the unknowing eye:
* 1: The civilian-run supply depot that they bombed in the prologue? There were actually very few civilians there at all; the place was 95% greedy scumbags who [[KickTheSonOfABitch deserved to die]], and 5% innocent bystanders who the Reds and Blues, in true BGC fashion, completely forgot about.
* 2: The whole "leave no survivors" thing? They actually intend to spare some people, but it ends up escalating out of control to the point where everyone there dies as a result of a miscalculation or self-defense. For instance, the bombs that take out a good chunk of the depot's workers; notice that [[TooDumbToLive Caboose]] sets at least one of the bombs, and he's known for accidentally killing people he doesn't intend to.
** Also, the man who Sarge guns down when he tries to kill "Church"? "Church" was fully prepared to defend himself non-lethally, only for Sarge to shoot the man out of reflex.
* 3: The fact that they are completely silent and have a completely different demeanor? They aren't and they don't; they're using special helmets that filter out their voices to everyone but each other, and they are, in fact, no different from how they were at the end of Season 13.
* 4 "Church" [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and not being fazed by being splattered with blood? That's actually Wash, disguised as the long-dead Church to avoid being linked with the "crimes". He didn't react during the blood-splattering incident because [[ShellShockedVeteran he's used to it]]; hell, he once cut his own hand open to use his blood as a camouflage exposer! As for the real Church... well, he's still dead.
[[WMG: Change will be an important theme in Season 15.]]
Looking at the first two episodes, changes have happened all over the place. The Reds and Blues have changed from bumbling heroes to merciless criminals. In-between episodes, Dylan's cameraman changed. Sister changed into a fairly competent businesswoman. Vic may or may not have changed into a suicidal lunatic. Even the show changed which characters we're following. As the show goes on, we'll see how other past characters and locations have changed over time, and the theme of change will factor in a number of other ways too.
[[WMG: The Reds and Blues who attacked the base in S15 Episode 1 are fake]]
This theory has been making rounds around the [[RedVsBlue RvB]] community recently, and it seems plausible. Church coming back, Tucker not using his energy sword, Caboose not talking at all, and actually being a competent, silent, stealthy person. It all seems so suspicious.
* Another possible theory is that the Reds and Blues are being controlled by the AI fragments formed after Epsilon's death.

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It was an elaborate prank that Sarge came up with specifically to mess with him. Simmons was in on it, while Donut was also tricked into believing the story. The reason why Simmons being a cyborg is still occasionally referenced while Grif being a Frankenstein's monster isn't is because the latter isn't true.

[[WMG: The Prologue of Season 15 will be subject to a OnceMoreWithClarity]]
It'll be shown that the Blood Gulch Crew's actions aren't as heartless as they seem, a series of factors just lead to it looking like that to the unknowing eye:
* 1: The civilian-run supply depot that they bombed in the prologue? There were actually very few civilians there at all; the place was 95% greedy scumbags who [[KickTheSonOfABitch deserved to die]], and 5% innocent bystanders who the Reds and Blues, in true BGC fashion, completely forgot about.
* 2: The whole "leave no survivors" thing? They actually intend to spare some people, but it ends up escalating out of control to the point where everyone there dies as a result of a miscalculation or self-defense. For instance, the bombs that take out a good chunk of the depot's workers; notice that [[TooDumbToLive Caboose]] sets at least one of the bombs, and he's known for accidentally killing people he doesn't intend to.
** Also, the man who Sarge guns down when he tries to kill "Church"? "Church" was fully prepared to defend himself non-lethally, only for Sarge to shoot the man out of reflex.
* 3: The fact that they are completely silent and have a completely different demeanor? They aren't and they don't; they're using special helmets that filter out their voices to everyone but each other, and they are, in fact, no different from how they were at the end of Season 13.
* 4 "Church" [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and not being fazed by being splattered with blood? That's actually Wash, disguised as the long-dead Church to avoid being linked with the "crimes". He didn't react during the blood-splattering incident because [[ShellShockedVeteran he's used to it]]; hell, he once cut his own hand open to use his blood as a camouflage exposer! As for the real Church... well, he's still dead.
[[WMG: Change will be an important theme in Season 15.]]
Looking at the first two episodes, changes have happened all over the place. The Reds and Blues have changed from bumbling heroes to merciless criminals. In-between episodes, Dylan's cameraman changed. Sister changed into a fairly competent businesswoman. Vic may or may not have changed into a suicidal lunatic. Even the show changed which characters we're following. As the show goes on, we'll see how other past characters and locations have changed over time, and the theme of change will factor in a number of other ways too.
[[WMG: The Reds and Blues who attacked the base in S15 Episode 1 are fake]]
This theory has been making rounds around the [[RedVsBlue RvB]] community recently, and it seems plausible. Church coming back, Tucker not using his energy sword, Caboose not talking at all, and actually being a competent, silent, stealthy person. It all seems so suspicious.
* Another possible theory is that the Reds and Blues are being controlled by the AI fragments formed after Epsilon's death.
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13th Apr '17 6:07:25 PM Wiseoung-5
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This theory has been making rounds around the RvB community recently, and it seems plausible. Church coming back, Tucker not using his energy sword, Caboose not talking at all, and actually being a competent, silent, stealthy person. It all seems so suspicious.

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This theory has been making rounds around the RvB [[RedVsBlue RvB]] community recently, and it seems plausible. Church coming back, Tucker not using his energy sword, Caboose not talking at all, and actually being a competent, silent, stealthy person. It all seems so suspicious.suspicious.
* Another possible theory is that the Reds and Blues are being controlled by the AI fragments formed after Epsilon's death.
13th Apr '17 9:35:03 AM BaconFlavoredDerp
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[[WMG: The Reds and Blues who attacked the base i S15 Episode 1 are fake]]

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[[WMG: The Reds and Blues who attacked the base i in S15 Episode 1 are fake]]
13th Apr '17 9:34:13 AM BaconFlavoredDerp
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Looking at the first two episodes, changes have happened all over the place. The Reds and Blues have changed from bumbling heroes to merciless criminals. In-between episodes, Dylan's cameraman changed. Sister changed into a fairly competent businesswoman. Vic may or may not have changed into a suicidal lunatic. Even the show changed which characters we're following. As the show goes on, we'll see how other past characters and locations have changed over time, and the theme of change will factor in a number of other ways too.

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Looking at the first two episodes, changes have happened all over the place. The Reds and Blues have changed from bumbling heroes to merciless criminals. In-between episodes, Dylan's cameraman changed. Sister changed into a fairly competent businesswoman. Vic may or may not have changed into a suicidal lunatic. Even the show changed which characters we're following. As the show goes on, we'll see how other past characters and locations have changed over time, and the theme of change will factor in a number of other ways too.too.
[[WMG: The Reds and Blues who attacked the base i S15 Episode 1 are fake]]
This theory has been making rounds around the RvB community recently, and it seems plausible. Church coming back, Tucker not using his energy sword, Caboose not talking at all, and actually being a competent, silent, stealthy person. It all seems so suspicious.
11th Apr '17 7:37:45 AM streakson22
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Here is a scenario: During the attack on Freelancer HQ, right when Church possesses the Meta, he begins to reintegrate with the AI fragments and realizes the truth of what he is (probably from Delta). Suffering a major OhCrap realization, he formulates a plan to escape the EMP (remember, all this would be happening in microseconds of real time). So, he activates the Meta's time-distortion unit to slow down time to a near-standstill (so slow that even the Meta wouldn't realize what was happening). He then runs out of the base to where Caboose is driving away with the Epsilon unit, downloads himself and the other AI fragments into it, while leaving one, probably one that he doesn't like (such as Gamma or Omega) to take the Meta back to where he was, ensuring that he has disappeared completely.

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Here is a scenario: During the attack on Freelancer HQ, right when Church possesses possibilities esses the Meta, he begins to reintegrate with the AI fragments and realizes the truth of what he is (probably from Delta). Suffering a major OhCrap realization, he formulates a plan to escape the EMP (remember, all this would be happening in microseconds of real time). So, he activates the Meta's time-distortion unit to slow down time to a near-standstill (so slow that even the Meta wouldn't realize what was happening). He then runs out of the base to where Caboose is driving away with the Epsilon unit, downloads himself and the other AI fragments into it, while leaving one, probably one that he doesn't like (such as Gamma or Omega) to take the Meta back to where he was, ensuring that he has disappeared completely.



* 4 "Church" [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and not being fazed by being splattered with blood? That's actually Wash, disguised as the long-dead Church to avoid being linked with the "crimes". He didn't react during the blood-splattering incident because [[ShellShockedVeteran he's used to it]]; hell, he once cut his own hand open to use his blood as a camouflage exposer! As for the real Church... well, he's still dead.

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* 4 "Church" [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and not being fazed by being splattered with blood? That's actually Wash, disguised as the long-dead Church to avoid being linked with the "crimes". He didn't react during the blood-splattering incident because [[ShellShockedVeteran he's used to it]]; hell, he once cut his own hand open to use his blood as a camouflage exposer! As for the real Church... well, he's still dead.dead.
[[WMG: Change will be an important theme in Season 15.]]
Looking at the first two episodes, changes have happened all over the place. The Reds and Blues have changed from bumbling heroes to merciless criminals. In-between episodes, Dylan's cameraman changed. Sister changed into a fairly competent businesswoman. Vic may or may not have changed into a suicidal lunatic. Even the show changed which characters we're following. As the show goes on, we'll see how other past characters and locations have changed over time, and the theme of change will factor in a number of other ways too.
10th Apr '17 1:05:58 AM ml0085
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It was an elaborate prank that Sarge came up with specifically to mess with him. Simmons was in on it, while Donut was also tricked into believing the story. The reason why Simmons being a cyborg is still occasionally referenced while Grif being a Frankenstein's monster isn't is because the latter isn't true.

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It was an elaborate prank that Sarge came up with specifically to mess with him. Simmons was in on it, while Donut was also tricked into believing the story. The reason why Simmons being a cyborg is still occasionally referenced while Grif being a Frankenstein's monster isn't is because the latter isn't true.true.

[[WMG: The Prologue of Season 15 will be subject to a OnceMoreWithClarity]]
It'll be shown that the Blood Gulch Crew's actions aren't as heartless as they seem, a series of factors just lead to it looking like that to the unknowing eye:
*1: The civilian-run supply depot that they bombed in the prologue? There were actually very few civilians there at all; the place was 95% greedy scumbags who [[KickTheSonOfABitch deserved to die]], and 5% innocent bystanders who the Reds and Blues, in true BGC fashion, completely forgot about.
*2: The whole "leave no survivors" thing? They actually intend to spare some people, but it ends up escalating out of control to the point where everyone there dies as a result of a miscalculation or self-defense. For instance, the bombs that take out a good chunk of the depot's workers; notice that [[TooDumbToLive Caboose]] sets at least one of the bombs, and he's known for accidentally killing people he doesn't intend to.
** Also, the man who Sarge guns down when he tries to kill "Church"? "Church" was fully prepared to defend himself non-lethally, only for Sarge to shoot the man out of reflex.
*3: The fact that they are completely silent and have a completely different demeanor? They aren't and they don't; they're using special helmets that filter out their voices to everyone but each other, and they are, in fact, no different from how they were at the end of Season 13.
*4 "Church" [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and not being fazed by being splattered with blood? That's actually Wash, disguised as the long-dead Church to avoid being linked with the "crimes". He didn't react during the blood-splattering incident because [[ShellShockedVeteran he's used to it]]; hell, he once cut his own hand open to use his blood as a camouflage exposer! As for the real Church... well, he's still dead.
31st Mar '17 10:04:36 AM streakson22
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We already know that Church has been in a StableTimeLoop repeatedly. The Director referring to the woman that he lost is when Church thought Andy had blown up Tex (or refers to some future problem with Tex). This ''also'' explains why Washington says that "Tex is... confusing. The Director and Councellor always worked so closely with her, she was, like... their favourite." The reason for this is that while Director Church lost her at some point, being thrown back in time to start the freelancer program meant that he could "have" her again.

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We already know that Church has been in a StableTimeLoop repeatedly. The Director referring to the woman that he lost is when Church thought Andy had blown up Tex (or refers to some future problem with Tex). This ''also'' explains why Washington says that "Tex is... confusing. The Director and Councellor always worked so closely with her, she was, like... their favourite." The reason for this is that while Director Church lost her at some point, being thrown back in time to start the freelancer program meant means that he could "have" her again.



* Based off the WordOfGod quoted above, this means that the Halo/Halo 2 engine is the "Original loop". There have been exactly 3 games since then in the Halo franchise that RvB would use - Halo 3, ODST, and Reach. So, why wouldn't the loops, being based more and more off Church's memories, become more and more detailed and more and more over-the-top awesome as he went deeper. The main "difference" is that, in the Halo 2 loop and the Halo 3 loop, Alpha!Church went into the memory unit after tex, not Epsilon!Church. Because a full AI tried to go in, or Alpha!Church made some mistake that Epsilon!Church wouldn't, both his and Tex's memories of those events were wiped. This is why Epsilon!Church noticed that "I think this place is a little different than it was before."

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* Based off the WordOfGod quoted above, this means that the Halo/Halo 2 engine is the "Original loop". There have been exactly 3 games since then in the Halo franchise that RvB would use - Halo 3, ODST, and Reach. So, why wouldn't the loops, being based more and more off Church's memories, become more and more detailed and more and more over-the-top awesome as he went deeper. The main "difference" is that, in the Halo 2 loop and android the Halo 3 loop, Alpha!Church went into the memory unit after tex, not Epsilon!Church. Because a full AI tried to go in, or Alpha!Church made some mistake that Epsilon!Church wouldn't, both his and Tex's memories of those events were wiped. This is why Epsilon!Church noticed that "I think this place is a little different than it was before."



Now the story begins when Church was about nineteen years old. He was a very, very, VERY intelligent person and for years now he had dreamed of joining the army, and now that he had applied to enlist he felt that that dream was finally going to become a reality. On another front his relationship with his fiancée Allison was closer than ever before, they were soul mates. And when he found out that Allison was also joining the army he was overjoyed: Now they could be in the army together, however his dream was shattered when Tex was accepted into the army and Church wasn’t. Church was overcome with jealousy and in his fury lashed out at Allison leading to a savage fight between them that ended with Allison breaking up with him and leaving to join the army regardless, and of course, we all know what happened.

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Now the story begins when Church was about nineteen years old. He was a very, very, VERY intelligent person and for years now he had dreamed of joining the army, and now that he had applied to enlist he felt that that dream was finally going to become a reality. On another front his relationship with his fiancée Allison was closer than ever before, they were soul mates. And when he found out that Allison was also joining the army he was overjoyed: Now they could be in the army together, however his dream was shattered when Tex was accepted into the army and Church wasn’t. Church was overcome with without th jealousy and in his fury lashed out at Allison leading to a savage fight between them that ended with Allison breaking up with him and leaving to join the army regardless, and of course, we all know what happened.



Everyone in that episode being extremely colorblind was no coincidence. It was another one of Project Freelancer's experiments. They wanted to see how two groups of color-divided soldiers who couldn't see color would be able to operate. Sister, also being just as colorblind, was supposed to be part of the experiment, but she stayed in Blood Gulch. Either she wanted to stay, like Sarge, or she didn't even know she was supposed to leave. This makes sense chronologically, too: Early in the episode, Cobb mentions Blood Gulch. He shouldn't know that Blood Gulch exists, since it's a backwater canyon where no one ever goes. I know they probably just wanted to reference Blood Gulch and didn't consider the logic behind it, but there is a way to justify this: He saw the recruitment video from the episode Fight the Good Fight, which takes place just before everyone in Blood Gulch left. Since the video's been heavily edited and is now being shown to new recruits, that means there's a time gap between these two episodes. Probably enough time that the Reds and Blues are at their new posts by the time Grey vs. Gray starts. That means Sister would've been there if she had left in the first place.

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Everyone in that episode being extremely colorblind was no coincidence. It was another one of Project Freelancer's experiments. They wanted to see how two groups of color-divided soldiers who couldn't see color would be able to operate. Sister, also being just as colorblind, was supposed to be part of the experiment, but she stayed in Blood Gulch. Either she wanted to stay, like Sarge, or she didn't even know she was supposed to leave. This makes sense chronologically, too: Early in the episode, Cobb mentions Blood Gulch. He shouldn't know that Blood Gulch exists, since it's a backwater canyon where no one ever goes. I know they probably just wanted to reference Blood Gulch and didn't consider the logic behind it, but there is a way to justify this: He saw the recruitment video from the episode Fight the Good Fight, which takes place just before everyone in Blood Gulch left. Since the video's been heavily edited and is now being shown to new recruits, that means there's a time gap between these two episodes. Probably enough time that the Reds and Blues are at their new posts by the time Grey vs. Gray starts. That means Sister would've been there if she had left in the first place.place.

[[WMG: Grif doesn't actually have Simmons' body parts.]]
It was an elaborate prank that Sarge came up with specifically to mess with him. Simmons was in on it, while Donut was also tricked into believing the story. The reason why Simmons being a cyborg is still occasionally referenced while Grif being a Frankenstein's monster isn't is because the latter isn't true.
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