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* The first retcon may be due to Married!Lister from "Stasis Leak" telling Our!Lister to not see run for your life on the 1989 Earth. Because of this, the timeline is changed so that Our!Lister doesn't go on and marry Kochanski.
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* The first retcon may be due to Married!Lister from "Stasis Leak" telling Our!Lister to not see run for your life Run For Your Wife on the 1989 Earth. Because of this, the timeline is changed so that Our!Lister doesn't go on and marry Kochanski.
Kochanski. [note](In a HilariousInHindsight moment, the newest 2012 film version of Run For Your Wife, starring Danny Dyer, took just £602 at the box office and is considered one of the biggest movie turkeys of all time).[/note]
* The events of ""Timeslides"" cause Pre-Accident!Rimmer to be more receptive to his future self in "Stasis Leak" - after all, '''he's already been visited by his future self as a child'''. This makes him listen to his own warnings instead of thinking he's hallucinating. He manages to get put into stasis with Lister during "The End", and is thus alive at the end of "Timeslides"...for a few seconds.
* In the same episode, Rimmer tells Lister about their future selves and Lister's quest to get Kochanski. Realising he needs to Carpe that Diem, '''Past!Lister asks Kochanski out''', leading to their romance before the Radiation Leak. It is now, ironically, Past!Rimmer's forewarned attempt to ''prevent'' the Radiation Leak that causes the drive plate damage which goes on to wipe out the crew. Realising he can't do anything to prevent the leak, he characteristically runs for the hills, taking responsiblity for the damage to the plate, but only so he can go into stasis, as seen above.
* (This one's a bit of a stretch, but bear with us) With the Tension Sheet invented several years earlier, thanks to Lister and Rimmer's meddlings, Thickie Holden (a lifelong fanboy of The Space Corps Test Pilot squad), funds a pet project. Not realising what is meant by a ship that travels at "Glacial speeds", he pours billions of Dollarpounds into the revamping of Red Dwarf, allowing the JMC to hire on a thousand extra crew by the time Lister and Rimmer come aboard, bringing the ship's complement to '''1,169 instead of 169'''. Once Holden discovers that Red Dwarf is a clapped out old mining ship, he pulls any further funding and has his name expunged from the project in embarrassment.
* This minor change also spurs Rimmer's father on to push his sons toward greatness, '''retconning his suicide'''. After all, if Thickie can make it big, why not our Arnold?
* The events of ""Timeslides"" cause Pre-Accident!Rimmer to be more receptive to his future self in "Stasis Leak" - after all, '''he's already been visited by his future self as a child'''. This makes him listen to his own warnings instead of thinking he's hallucinating. He manages to get put into stasis with Lister during "The End", and is thus alive at the end of "Timeslides"...for a few seconds.
* In the same episode, Rimmer tells Lister about their future selves and Lister's quest to get Kochanski. Realising he needs to Carpe that Diem, '''Past!Lister asks Kochanski out''', leading to their romance before the Radiation Leak. It is now, ironically, Past!Rimmer's forewarned attempt to ''prevent'' the Radiation Leak that causes the drive plate damage which goes on to wipe out the crew. Realising he can't do anything to prevent the leak, he characteristically runs for the hills, taking responsiblity for the damage to the plate, but only so he can go into stasis, as seen above.
* (This one's a bit of a stretch, but bear with us) With the Tension Sheet invented several years earlier, thanks to Lister and Rimmer's meddlings, Thickie Holden (a lifelong fanboy of The Space Corps Test Pilot squad), funds a pet project. Not realising what is meant by a ship that travels at "Glacial speeds", he pours billions of Dollarpounds into the revamping of Red Dwarf, allowing the JMC to hire on a thousand extra crew by the time Lister and Rimmer come aboard, bringing the ship's complement to '''1,169 instead of 169'''. Once Holden discovers that Red Dwarf is a clapped out old mining ship, he pulls any further funding and has his name expunged from the project in embarrassment.
* This minor change also spurs Rimmer's father on to push his sons toward greatness, '''retconning his suicide'''. After all, if Thickie can make it big, why not our Arnold?
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* That would make sense with Holly being offline. S/He probably used to manage, and was able to override or ignore, many of the individual systems' dictats. Without Holly, these systems now report directly to the crew with no filter, and without a sentient computer to control them, their output doesn't always make sense.
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* So, does that make Lister a subjectivist?
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[[WMG: The female Cat in one of the American pilots descends from [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNine]] Jadzia Dax]]
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[[WMG: The female Cat in one of the American pilots descends from [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNine]] [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine]] Jadzia Dax]]
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In Series X, there are many references to computers and systems processing or dictating various rules and procedures (eg, the system that gives Howard Rimmer a commendation and not Arnold). The reason we didn't hear about this in earlier seasons is that it wasn't active, at least not in the same way. At some point during the 'interregnum', these systems were brought into play to give some more structure to the Dwarfers' lives, protecting their mental well-being against the increasingly long time stranded in deep space.
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In Series X, there are many references to computers and systems processing or dictating various rules and procedures (eg, the system that gives Howard Rimmer a commendation and not Arnold). The reason we didn't hear about this in earlier seasons is that it wasn't active, at least not in the same way. At some point during the 'interregnum', these systems were brought into play to give some more structure to the Dwarfers' lives, protecting their mental well-being against the increasingly long time stranded in deep space.space.
[[WMG: [[{{Uninstallment}} Series IX]] was an Ace Rimmer SpinOff.]]
Which is why the guy in the comics shop refers to it as the best series by miles. It was too good for us to see.
[[WMG: [[{{Uninstallment}} Series IX]] was an Ace Rimmer SpinOff.]]
Which is why the guy in the comics shop refers to it as the best series by miles. It was too good for us to see.
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[[WMG: The Inquisitor is connected to FactionParadox.]]
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[[WMG: The Inquisitor is connected to FactionParadox.Literature/FactionParadox.]]
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Computer oversight.
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* Impossible. [[AbsentAliens Aliens don't exist in the 'Dwarf verse]].
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* Impossible. [[AbsentAliens Aliens don't exist in the 'Dwarf verse]].verse]].
[[WMG: The 'computer bureaucracy' in Series X]]
In Series X, there are many references to computers and systems processing or dictating various rules and procedures (eg, the system that gives Howard Rimmer a commendation and not Arnold). The reason we didn't hear about this in earlier seasons is that it wasn't active, at least not in the same way. At some point during the 'interregnum', these systems were brought into play to give some more structure to the Dwarfers' lives, protecting their mental well-being against the increasingly long time stranded in deep space.
[[WMG: The 'computer bureaucracy' in Series X]]
In Series X, there are many references to computers and systems processing or dictating various rules and procedures (eg, the system that gives Howard Rimmer a commendation and not Arnold). The reason we didn't hear about this in earlier seasons is that it wasn't active, at least not in the same way. At some point during the 'interregnum', these systems were brought into play to give some more structure to the Dwarfers' lives, protecting their mental well-being against the increasingly long time stranded in deep space.
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* Lister's claim of having turned 28 in Series VII, having been in space for 4 years in Series VI, would support this.
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ActorAllusion. So at one point, Jadzia [[FridgeHorror had sex with a cat.]]
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ActorAllusion. So at one point, Jadzia [[FridgeHorror had sex with a cat.]]]]
* Impossible. [[AbsentAliens Aliens don't exist in the 'Dwarf verse]].
* Impossible. [[AbsentAliens Aliens don't exist in the 'Dwarf verse]].
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Just like how future JFK killed his past self and then disappeared in "Tikka to Ride." The only one who didn't disappear was future Rimmer, who was probably too selfish to kill his past self and disappear along with the others.
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Just like how future JFK killed his past self and then disappeared in "Tikka to Ride." The only one who didn't disappear was future Rimmer, who was probably too selfish to kill his past self and disappear along with the others.others.
[[WMG: The American ''Red Dwarf'' pilots each take place in an alternate universe.]]
Not too unusual for this show.
[[WMG: The female Cat in one of the American pilots descends from [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNine]] Jadzia Dax]]
ActorAllusion. So at one point, Jadzia [[FridgeHorror had sex with a cat.]]
[[WMG: The American ''Red Dwarf'' pilots each take place in an alternate universe.]]
Not too unusual for this show.
[[WMG: The female Cat in one of the American pilots descends from [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNine]] Jadzia Dax]]
ActorAllusion. So at one point, Jadzia [[FridgeHorror had sex with a cat.]]
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[[WMG: The future selves of the crew joined Faction Paradox]]
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[[WMG: The future selves of the crew joined Faction Paradox]]Paradox]]
[[WMG: In "Out of Time," the characters' future selves, except Rimmer, disappeared as they killed their past selves.]]
Just like how future JFK killed his past self and then disappeared in "Tikka to Ride." The only one who didn't disappear was future Rimmer, who was probably too selfish to kill his past self and disappear along with the others.
[[WMG: In "Out of Time," the characters' future selves, except Rimmer, disappeared as they killed their past selves.]]
Just like how future JFK killed his past self and then disappeared in "Tikka to Ride." The only one who didn't disappear was future Rimmer, who was probably too selfish to kill his past self and disappear along with the others.
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* Holograms are just really advanced AI run by the ship's computer. This could easily be a third Rimmer with memories from the original Rimmer, the first holographic Rimmer, and the resurrected Rimmer from season VIII who died in the interim.
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** The problem with this is that in Kochanski's timeline the nanobots never stole Red Dwarf. (It's never stated outright -- there was a line in "Ouroboros" but it was cut -- but it's very heavily implied, with how they give our Dwarfers all those supplies before the linkway is broken, and how Kochanski is so miserable at being stuck on a small crappy ship like Starbug.)
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* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.
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* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.desperation.
[[WMG: The future selves of the crew joined Faction Paradox]]
[[WMG: The future selves of the crew joined Faction Paradox]]
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* Except that he is stated to have given birth offscreen.
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* The X in Red Dwarf X is not the Roman numeral for 10, but the letter X, as used in mathematics to denote an unknown quantity.
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Else why would hitting on your gender-reversed alter-ego not be considered {{Squick}} in the same way as hitting on a brother or sister?
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Else why would hitting on your gender-reversed alter-ego not be considered {{Squick}} in the same way as hitting on a brother or sister?sister?
* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.
* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.
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** Plus, Spanners married Kochanski in Ace's universe.
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** Plus, Spanners married Kochanski in Ace's universe.universe.
[[WMG: Lister could never have got pregnant- the other characters, including (indeed, ''especially'') their female alter-egos, were just screwing with him.]]
Yes, it's a silly comedy and the whole thing is PlayedForLaughs- but there's no logical way simply going into a gender-reversed universe mucks with your anatomy in some fundamental way just by magic. Besides, some of the jokes in the episode (made by the female alter-egos no less) may not have made sense if the male characters didn't have penises.
[[WMG: Also from the same episode, incest isn't taboo in Red Dwarf's future.]]
Else why would hitting on your gender-reversed alter-ego not be considered {{Squick}} in the same way as hitting on a brother or sister?
[[WMG: Lister could never have got pregnant- the other characters, including (indeed, ''especially'') their female alter-egos, were just screwing with him.]]
Yes, it's a silly comedy and the whole thing is PlayedForLaughs- but there's no logical way simply going into a gender-reversed universe mucks with your anatomy in some fundamental way just by magic. Besides, some of the jokes in the episode (made by the female alter-egos no less) may not have made sense if the male characters didn't have penises.
[[WMG: Also from the same episode, incest isn't taboo in Red Dwarf's future.]]
Else why would hitting on your gender-reversed alter-ego not be considered {{Squick}} in the same way as hitting on a brother or sister?
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* He can't be. The flashback in "Ouroboros" took place in Kochanski's universe, and we saw that both Rimmer and Lister were much the same as in the Dwarfers' own timeline -- very different to Ace and Spanners as seen in "Dimension Jump".
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* He can't be. The flashback in "Ouroboros" took place in Kochanski's universe, and we saw that both Rimmer and Lister were much the same as in the Dwarfers' own timeline -- very different to Ace and Spanners as seen in "Dimension Jump".Jump".
** Plus, Spanners married Kochanski in Ace's universe.
** Plus, Spanners married Kochanski in Ace's universe.
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[[WMG: Ace Rimmer is from Kochanski's Universe.]]
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[[WMG: Ace Rimmer is from Kochanski's Universe.]]]]
* He can't be. The flashback in "Ouroboros" took place in Kochanski's universe, and we saw that both Rimmer and Lister were much the same as in the Dwarfers' own timeline -- very different to Ace and Spanners as seen in "Dimension Jump".
* He can't be. The flashback in "Ouroboros" took place in Kochanski's universe, and we saw that both Rimmer and Lister were much the same as in the Dwarfers' own timeline -- very different to Ace and Spanners as seen in "Dimension Jump".
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A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline and in fact dedicates his life around it... Hmm...
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A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline and in fact dedicates his life around it... Hmm...Hmm...
[[WMG: Hologram!Rimmer ends up in Kochanski's Universe.]]
As nice as it is to imagine he gets his happy ending, he's Rimmer so it's inevitable he fails. Sometime after Ouroboros, Hologram Rimmer stumbles across Kochanski's universe, where the Alternate!Dwarfers are missing Kochanski. Rimmer somehow breaks his ship, and joins the alternate crew due to them being unwilling to leave him out in deep space regardless of how Rimmer-ish he may be. After this, it plays out similarly to the original universe, except maybe for Duct Soup, and the fact Rimmer and Lister share a room again prevents Epideme from occurring due to Lister no longer mistaking the zombie for Kochanski. After that, it plays out the same.
[[WMG: Ace Rimmer is from Kochanski's Universe.]]
[[WMG: Hologram!Rimmer ends up in Kochanski's Universe.]]
As nice as it is to imagine he gets his happy ending, he's Rimmer so it's inevitable he fails. Sometime after Ouroboros, Hologram Rimmer stumbles across Kochanski's universe, where the Alternate!Dwarfers are missing Kochanski. Rimmer somehow breaks his ship, and joins the alternate crew due to them being unwilling to leave him out in deep space regardless of how Rimmer-ish he may be. After this, it plays out similarly to the original universe, except maybe for Duct Soup, and the fact Rimmer and Lister share a room again prevents Epideme from occurring due to Lister no longer mistaking the zombie for Kochanski. After that, it plays out the same.
[[WMG: Ace Rimmer is from Kochanski's Universe.]]
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A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline... Hmm...
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A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline...timeline and in fact dedicates his life around it... Hmm...
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It would make perfect sense that Rimmer would want to kick Ace [[GroinAttack in the balls]].
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It would make perfect sense that Rimmer would want to kick Ace [[GroinAttack in the balls]].balls]].
[[WMG: The Inquisitor is connected to FactionParadox.]]
A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline... Hmm...
[[WMG: The Inquisitor is connected to FactionParadox.]]
A time traveller who wears a bizarre skull and has no qualms in changing a person's timeline... Hmm...
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Droid Rot would naturally follow from being left on for 3 million years. The head's Scottish accent is a deterioration of his original upper class English one.
* An interesting WMG but I feel the need to point out that Spare Head 3 isn't Scottish, that accent is a vague north-western English one.
* I always considered it Lancastrian.
* An interesting WMG but I feel the need to point out that Spare Head 3 isn't Scottish, that accent is a vague north-western English one.
* I always considered it Lancastrian.
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* Droid Rot would naturally follow from being left on for 3 million years. The head's Scottish Northern English (Possibly Lancastrian) accent is a deterioration of his original upper class Received Pronunciation English one.
* An interesting WMG but I feel the need to point out that ** Alternatively, Spare Head 3 isn't Scottish, has gotten that accent is a vague north-western English one.
* I always considered it Lancastrian.
from talking to Lister.
* I always considered it Lancastrian.
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** It may be that they can't choose a particular time period to go back to, for whatever reason.
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*** Conceivably, Series X is supposed to follow on from Series 6 if you handwave all the continuity that happened between the series, which is pretty much what people who don't like 7, 8 or Back To Earth would do.
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** Rimmer is very conscious in fact, he is shown to get frustrated when he can't eat proper food or punch Lister. When he becomes a hard light hologram and later is resurrected, he achieves this.
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*Or maybe Brittas is one of his clones from Rimmerworld, who somehow managed to escape and go back in time
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[[WMG: Kochanski was killed by the Inquisitor.]]
The Inquisitor was destroyed in the Red Dwarf universe, but not in the universe the later Kochanski lived in, or he was destroyed at a different part in his personal timeline. This explains not just the personality differences (which living in a parallel universe already covered), but the extreme physical differences. It still doesn't explain why Lister recognizes her as the same person, though.
The Inquisitor was destroyed in the Red Dwarf universe, but not in the universe the later Kochanski lived in, or he was destroyed at a different part in his personal timeline. This explains not just the personality differences (which living in a parallel universe already covered), but the extreme physical differences. It still doesn't explain why Lister recognizes her as the same person, though.
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[[WMG: Kochanski was killed by the Inquisitor.]]
The Inquisitor was destroyed in the Red Dwarf universe, but not in the universe the later Kochanski lived in, or he was destroyed at a different part in his personal timeline. This explains not just the personality differences (which living in a parallel universe already covered), but the extreme physical differences. It still doesn't explain why Lister recognizes her as the same person, though.
The Inquisitor was destroyed in the Red Dwarf universe, but not in the universe the later Kochanski lived in, or he was destroyed at a different part in his personal timeline. This explains not just the personality differences (which living in a parallel universe already covered), but the extreme physical differences. It still doesn't explain why Lister recognizes her as the same person, though.
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In one of the series one episodes, Lister is trying to convince the Cat to go into stasis with him. However, this is never resolved with the Cat wanting to take his clothes with him. In reality, Lister did find a way to preserve them - by putting them in the other stasis booth, perhaps. As such, each episode takes place hundreds or even thousands of years apart, supported by various time discrepcancies. For example, in that episode Lister claims that it'll take a thousand years just to turn around, but later in series two they get a mail pod because they've turned around - clearly, those thousand years have passed. Or in the Matter Paddle's
introduction, when it is stated that the nearest S3 planet is light years away but Rimmer is claiming them in the name of the JMC in Terrorform - again, there was a time jump between episodes. The only reason Lister hasn't woken up on Earth by now is that Holly or Kryten (rimmer asked to be turned off between wakeups) keep waking him up either needing him to deal with something (the five black holes in Marooned, for example), wanting to share some new development (Matter Paddle, finding Dr. Lanstrome), or just wanting company after spending so many years alone.
introduction, when it is stated that the nearest S3 planet is light years away but Rimmer is claiming them in the name of the JMC in Terrorform - again, there was a time jump between episodes. The only reason Lister hasn't woken up on Earth by now is that Holly or Kryten (rimmer asked to be turned off between wakeups) keep waking him up either needing him to deal with something (the five black holes in Marooned, for example), wanting to share some new development (Matter Paddle, finding Dr. Lanstrome), or just wanting company after spending so many years alone.
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introduction, when it is stated that the nearest S3 planet is light years away but Rimmer is claiming them in the name of the JMC in Terrorform - again, there was a time jump between episodes. The only reason Lister hasn't woken up on Earth by now is that Holly or Kryten(rimmer (Rimmer asked to be turned off between wakeups) keep waking him up either needing him to deal with something (the five black holes in Marooned, for example), wanting to share some new development (Matter Paddle, finding Dr. Lanstrome), or just wanting company after spending so many years alone.
introduction, when it is stated that the nearest S3 planet is light years away but Rimmer is claiming them in the name of the JMC in Terrorform - again, there was a time jump between episodes. The only reason Lister hasn't woken up on Earth by now is that Holly or Kryten
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[[WMG: Rimmer was rescued by Ace, though he hallucinated him as TheGrimReaper.]]
It would make perfect sense that Rimmer would want to kick Ace [[GroinAttack in the balls]].
