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2nd May '18 6:49:58 AM Peteman
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--> '''Talkie:''' "I can take two at a time, y'know." (imagined line)

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--> '''Talkie:''' "I can take two at a time, y'know." (imagined line)line)

[[WMG: Rimmer was assigned to repair the Drive Plate because he was the only one to be able to get to it in time]]
It doesn't make sense as to why Rimmer of all people would be assigned to fix the Drive Plate. It's supposed to be trivially easy and Rimmer's incompetence is well-documented, and in one alternate universe where Kochanski was put in stasis instead of Lister, it still killed everyone, despite Lister being qualified to fix it. However, Red Dwarf is incredibly huge. What if the Drive Plate was in a relatively isolated part of the ship, and Rimmer was only there as part of the fallout of his mental breakdown? In the Kochanski-verse, Rimmer didn't go to the isolated part of the ship because he had access to his favourite method of de-stressing: blaming Lister. In the main timeline, someone discovers the problem too late to get anyone else down there, if the drive plate isn't fixed right then and there, there will be a catastrophic reactor meltdown. Rimmer had the time to attempt to fix the drive plate, then return to be dressed down for failure. Why they didn't try to evacuate is unknown, but in one alternate universe, Captain Hollister did attempt to flee in an escape pod, only for the thing to malfunction, so it's probably due to overall incompetence, both in failing to get a proper evacuation order and for not maintaining the escape pods. Pre-cuts Red Dwarf was able to manage an evacuation, and even they left behind large numbers of people.
26th Feb '18 12:35:22 PM onionmaster
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** It is implied that like the Cat race, Kryten watched so many old American movies (in particular Rebel Without A Cause) that he broke his programming, and that the personality is contained within the head itself (with Kryten's spare heads in a later episode showing a difference to him). However, the theory holds plausibility in that even as early as Series 1, Talkie Toaster appears to have a level of AI far above his requirements, causing him to want to perform tasks other than that of a toaster but being depressed due to his inability to move. So it's entirely possible that when renovating up Talkie Toaster, Kryten may have used the programming language he was most familiar with - his own, thus making it rather like his original self (note that in Series 8, when reset to his factory settings, Kryten acts like the David Ross incarnation).
23rd Feb '18 5:27:34 PM FordPrefect
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* The first retcon may be due to Married!Lister from "Stasis Leak" telling Our!Lister to not see Run For Your Wife on the 1989 Earth. Because of this, the timeline is changed so that Our!Lister doesn't go on and marry Kochanski. [note](In a HilariousInHindsight moment, the newest 2012 film version of Run For Your Wife, starring Danny Dyer, took just £602 at the box office and is considered one of the biggest movie turkeys of all time).[/note]
* The events of ""Timeslides"" cause Pre-Accident!Rimmer to be more receptive to his future self in "Stasis Leak" - after all, '''he's already been visited by his future self as a child'''. This makes him listen to his own warnings instead of thinking he's hallucinating. He manages to get put into stasis with Lister during "The End", and is thus alive at the end of "Timeslides"...for a few seconds.
* In the same episode, Rimmer tells Lister about their future selves and Lister's quest to get Kochanski. Realising he needs to Carpe that Diem, '''Past!Lister asks Kochanski out''', leading to their romance before the Radiation Leak. It is now, ironically, Past!Rimmer's forewarned attempt to ''prevent'' the Radiation Leak that causes the drive plate damage which goes on to wipe out the crew. Realising he can't do anything to prevent the leak, he characteristically runs for the hills, taking responsiblity for the damage to the plate, but only so he can go into stasis, as seen above.

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* The first retcon may be due to Married!Lister from "Stasis Leak" telling Our!Lister to not see Run For Your Wife on the 1989 Earth. Because of this, the timeline is changed so that Our!Lister doesn't go on and marry Kochanski. [note](In [[note]]In a HilariousInHindsight moment, the newest 2012 film version of Run For Your Wife, starring Danny Dyer, took just £602 at the box office and is considered one of the biggest movie turkeys of all time).[/note]
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* The events of ""Timeslides"" "Timeslides" cause Pre-Accident!Rimmer to be more receptive to his future self in "Stasis Leak" - after all, '''he's already been visited by his future self as a child'''. This makes him listen to his own warnings instead of thinking he's hallucinating. He manages to get put into stasis with Lister during "The End", and is thus alive at the end of "Timeslides"...for a few seconds.
* In the same episode, Rimmer tells Lister about their future selves and Lister's quest to get Kochanski. Realising he needs to Carpe that Diem, '''Past!Lister asks Kochanski out''', leading to their romance before the Radiation Leak. It is now, ironically, Past!Rimmer's forewarned attempt to ''prevent'' the Radiation Leak that causes the drive plate damage which goes on to wipe out the crew. Realising he can't do anything to prevent the leak, he characteristically runs for the hills, taking responsiblity responsibility for the damage to the plate, but only so he can go into stasis, as seen above.



*** Well, considering that this theory is based on AM being behind ''everything'', it means that AM copied himself onto Starbug's computer and is still playing silly buggers with them. Alternatively, he set up the creatures and monsters of Series Six and Seven before getting hijacked by Kryten's nanobots; once he's recovered in the form of the Holly Watch and regains control of Red Dwarf, he commands the nanobots to recreate the crew and kick off the events of Series Eight .

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*** Well, considering that this theory is based on AM being behind ''everything'', it means that AM copied himself onto Starbug's computer and is still playing silly buggers with them. Alternatively, he set up the creatures and monsters of Series Six and Seven before getting hijacked by Kryten's nanobots; once he's recovered in the form of the Holly Watch and regains control of Red Dwarf, he commands the nanobots to recreate the crew and kick off the events of Series Eight .Eight.



** I've got the cure for that! A few minutues after AM awoke Lister, Lister accidently poured some larger on the bridges control panel, and which caused AM to malfunction; allowing Holly, who was hiding in a data bank that AM had overlooked, to mount a digital assault on AM's core program using the personalities stored in the hologram libary including a version of Rimmer with certain attributes extrapolated to create a being quite like ACE RIMMER!!!!!! And Holly deleated AM, undooing his horrific deeds, all to a truly epic version of the theme music. However the battle did dammage Holly's artificial intelligance causing a condition mistaken for computer senility.

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** I've got the cure for that! A few minutues minutes after AM awoke Lister, Lister accidently accidentally poured some larger lager on the bridges bridge's control panel, and which caused AM to malfunction; allowing Holly, who was hiding in a data bank that AM had overlooked, to mount a digital assault on AM's core program using the personalities stored in the hologram libary library, including a version of Rimmer with certain attributes extrapolated to create a being quite like ACE RIMMER!!!!!! And Holly deleated deleted AM, undooing undoing his horrific deeds, all to a truly epic version of the theme music. However the battle did dammage damage to Holly's artificial intelligance intelligence causing a condition mistaken for computer senility.



*** Which Arnold stumbled upon, read the story (with some additions detailing his subtle torture of the crew) and franticly deleated AM's hardrive. And if the first counter theroy is true, Holly could have been planning his revenge or working on his holly rock plan.

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*** Which Arnold stumbled upon, read the story (with some additions detailing his subtle torture of the crew) and franticly deleated frantically deleted AM's hardrive. hard drive. And if the first counter theroy theory is true, Holly could have been planning his revenge or working on his holly rock plan.



It explains all of the science going on that the characters admitted was impossible within the context of the show's universe, especially how a cat with at most six kittens could parent and feed an entire race of eventually human-sized (english-speaking, clothing-wearing) beings without ever leaving the storeroom.

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It explains all of the science going on that the characters admitted was impossible within the context of the show's universe, especially how a cat with at most six kittens could parent and feed an entire race of eventually human-sized (english-speaking, (English-speaking, clothing-wearing) beings without ever leaving the storeroom.



* This theory is actually used in the ending of the first novel and for a good portion of the second. The problem with applying it to the tv show is that ''Better Than Life'' did not arrive on board until the titular episode in the second series.
** But is it not also stated in the books that those playing Better Than Life forget they're playing a game? And what better way to forget about something than to not acknowledge that it even exists? If the doctors/programmers are trying to remove him from the game slowly, surely the best way to do it would be to allow him to come to the realisation himself? Thus they "mail" new information to his subconscious, letting him know about the games existence. In later series, they cook up the despair squid and simulation units - to reinforce the idea that reality can be subjective - as well as subtally suggesting he is the lynchpin of the entire universe (which a lot of the time travel episodes suggest) and then finally, in Back To Earth, flatly stating that he is an entirely fictional character.

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* This theory is actually used in the ending of the first novel and for a good portion of the second. The problem with applying it to the tv TV show is that ''Better Than Life'' did not arrive on board until the titular episode in the second series.
** But is it not also stated in the books that those playing Better Than Life forget they're playing a game? And what better way to forget about something than to not acknowledge that it even exists? If the doctors/programmers are trying to remove him from the game slowly, surely the best way to do it would be to allow him to come to the realisation himself? Thus they "mail" new information to his subconscious, letting him know about the games existence. In later series, they cook up the despair squid and simulation units - to reinforce the idea that reality can be subjective - as well as subtally subtly suggesting he is the lynchpin of the entire universe (which a lot of the time travel episodes suggest) and then finally, in Back To Earth, flatly stating that he is an entirely fictional character.



For some reason, his mind wasn't automatically put to sleep when his body was frozen in time. The stasis generator thing has a side effect of putting a person's mind to sleep when their body is frozen, rather than the mind existing as a result of chemical reactions in the body and the separation only occuring when something like artificial time-control affects the physical brain. The whole thing could have finished in a much shorter time than he was in stasis, if the only things happening were what was on- and just off-screen. Seasons 7 and 8 were just him getting bored (all the more-ridiculous stuff that happened), and losing touch with what reality actually looked like (for example, the dancing Blue Midget).

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For some reason, his mind wasn't automatically put to sleep when his body was frozen in time. The stasis generator thing has a side effect of putting a person's mind to sleep when their body is frozen, rather than the mind existing as a result of chemical reactions in the body and the separation only occuring occurring when something like artificial time-control affects the physical brain. The whole thing could have finished in a much shorter time than he was in stasis, if the only things happening were what was on- and just off-screen. Seasons 7 and 8 were just him getting bored (all the more-ridiculous stuff that happened), and losing touch with what reality actually looked like (for example, the dancing Blue Midget).



* Or maybe Brittas is one of his clones from Rimmerworld, who somehow managed to escape and go back in time

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* Or maybe Brittas is one of his clones from Rimmerworld, who somehow managed to escape and go back in time
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Given that that very episode showed that changing the timeline had far larger consequences than previously considered (removing Lister from Red Dwarf erasing the Cat and Kryten, for example), it seems odd that Rimmer's efforts simply result in resetting the timeline, albeit with him alive again. However, up until that point, Rimmer had gone through life without the experience of "Thicky" beating him to the punch to the invention of the Tension Sheet (not to mention it possibly being patented far before it originally had), but meddling the timeline inserted that experience into the flow of Rimmer's life, having knock-on effects altering Rimmer's personality, if only in a small way. This, combined with the sum of his experiences, lead to the "Better dead than smeg!" line, and his eventual acceptance of the Ace Rimmer role.

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Given that that very episode showed that changing the timeline had far larger consequences than previously considered (removing Lister from Red Dwarf and erasing the Cat and Kryten, for example), it seems odd that Rimmer's efforts simply result in resetting the timeline, albeit with him alive again. However, up until that point, Rimmer had gone through life without the experience of "Thicky" beating him to the punch to the invention of the Tension Sheet (not to mention it possibly being patented far before it originally had), but meddling with the timeline inserted that experience into the flow of Rimmer's life, having knock-on effects altering Rimmer's personality, if only in a small way. This, combined with the sum of his experiences, lead to the "Better dead than smeg!" line, and his eventual acceptance of the Ace Rimmer role.



[[WMG: Dog (the alternate universe version of Cat) was desciended from a pregnant bitch named Dracula.]]

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[[WMG: Dog (the alternate universe version of Cat) was desciended descended from a pregnant bitch named Dracula.]]



* ^ It must have been a male dog, and being named after HemoErotic Countess Dracula sounds logical. BTW, I've always loved that Listen named his cat Frankenstein. A cool name for a cat.

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* ^ It must have been a male dog, and being named after HemoErotic Countess Dracula sounds logical. BTW, I've always loved that Listen Lister named his cat Frankenstein. A cool name for a cat.



Or at least started out as one at the begining of the series.

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Or at least started out as one at the begining beginning of the series.



** In "Duct Soup" The second Kochanski makes reference to her having attended Cyber School, surrounded by computer recreated characters of important historical figures, and CG friends, likely experiencing alot of recieved pronounciation. I'm presuming the differences between the two Kochanskis, is that the first one (Grogan) never experienced Cyber School, but instead went to a more rough and tumble Glaswegian state school. These different experiences would make for very different people.

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** In "Duct Soup" The second Kochanski makes reference to her having attended Cyber School, surrounded by computer recreated characters of important historical figures, and CG friends, likely experiencing alot a lot of recieved pronounciation. Received Pronunciation. I'm presuming the differences between the two Kochanskis, Kochanskis is that the first one (Grogan) never experienced Cyber School, but instead went to a more rough and tumble Glaswegian state school. These different experiences would make for very different people.



* This makes sense when you consider that the Kochanski in series six was not actually the real Kochanski though, it was only a psiren impersonating her, through reading Lister's memory of her. It makes sense that Lister would remember the series 1-2 Clare Grogan incarnation of her, if that's the memory he has, even if the Inquisitor's erasion had restored her back to the series 7-8 Chloe Annett incarnation instead. Remember that Lister and Kryten were originally set to be erased before they outwitted the Inquisitor, and were then sent to a timeline they had never actually lived. While they were able to restore the timeline itself back, they still had the same memories of all the events that had happened to them, which Rimmer and the Cat lacked (and thus, in Lister's case, he would remember the series one replacement Kochanski when the series six psiren read his mind).

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* This makes sense when you consider that the Kochanski in series six was not actually the real Kochanski though, it was only a psiren impersonating her, through reading Lister's memory of her. It makes sense that Lister would remember the series 1-2 Clare Grogan incarnation of her, if that's the memory he has, even if the Inquisitor's erasion erasure had restored her back to the series 7-8 Chloe Annett incarnation instead. Remember that Lister and Kryten were originally set to be erased before they outwitted the Inquisitor, and were then sent to a timeline they had never actually lived. While they were able to restore the timeline itself back, they still had the same memories of all the events that had happened to them, which Rimmer and the Cat lacked (and thus, in Lister's case, he would remember the series one replacement Kochanski when the series six psiren read his mind).



* The X-tended version of ''Tikka To Ride'' states that they've decided against using time travel to go home, in no small part due to the havoc they've already caused on the space/time contiuum.

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* The X-tended version of ''Tikka To Ride'' states that they've decided against using time travel to go home, in no small part due to the havoc they've already caused on the space/time contiuum.
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Because obviously genders are reversed (unless it's the case of another opposite like Cat/Dog). Holly came back from his interaction with the female Hilly, and adopted her female face as his new Holly identity. Stands to reason Hilly would do the same, and adopt the male Holly's face. If people say it wouldn't work, because Holly is a gender neutral name applicable to both men and female, where as Hilly is predominately female only name... these naming norms only apply in our universe. In that one [[CaptainObvious things are opposite]]. Hilly would be seen as a gender neutral name, and Holly is probably predominately masculine.

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Because obviously genders are reversed (unless it's the case of another opposite like Cat/Dog). Holly came back from his interaction with the female Hilly, and adopted her female face as his new Holly identity. Stands to reason Hilly would do the same, and adopt the male Holly's face. If people say it wouldn't work, because Holly is a gender neutral name applicable to both men and female, where as whereas Hilly is a predominately female only name... these naming norms only apply in our universe. In that one [[CaptainObvious things are opposite]]. Hilly would be seen as a gender neutral name, and Holly is probably predominately masculine.



[[WMG: The timeline from the perspective of the crew in Series 7's Oroboros's alternative dimension, (from Oroboros onwards obviously)]]

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[[WMG: The timeline from the perspective of the crew in Series 7's Oroboros's alternative dimension, dimension (from Oroboros onwards obviously)]]



** The event itself may have happened, but probably not how Series 8 literally portrayed it. Red Dwarf is still in tall and stocky size in Series 9/10, where as Series 8 has it long and thin.

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** The event itself may have happened, but probably not how Series 8 literally portrayed it. Red Dwarf is still in tall and stocky size in Series 9/10, where as whereas Series 8 has it long and thin.



* As much as I would like to accept this as true, that the nanobots recreated the ship so well that it also recreated the original radiation leak that killed the crew in the first place, it took 3 million years for the radiation levels to die down, after the original accident, which was why it took so long for Holly to release Lister from stasis. So after the events of VIII, what would Lister, Cat, Kryten, Kochanski and Rimmer be doing what for 3 million years? Obviously they'd have to be in stasis, or they'd be dead. So if they were brought out of stasis when the radiation levels died down, Lister is probably 6 million years away from Earth now.
** The evacuation fleet encountered a NegativeSpaceWedgie of the time travel variety. Lister an Co. are now in the year 6 million. Everybody else got to go home.

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* As much as I would like to accept this as true, that the nanobots recreated the ship so well that it also recreated the original radiation leak that killed the crew in the first place, it took 3 million years for the radiation levels to die down, after the original accident, which was why it took so long for Holly to release Lister from stasis. So after the events of VIII, what would Lister, Cat, Kryten, Kochanski and Rimmer be doing what for 3 million years? Obviously they'd have to be in stasis, or they'd be dead. So if they were brought out of stasis when the radiation levels died down, Lister is probably 6 million years away from Earth now.
** The evacuation fleet encountered a NegativeSpaceWedgie of the time travel variety. Lister an and Co. are now in the year 6 million. Everybody else got to go home.



* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.
* The gender reversed alter ego thing could be understandable (we've evolved with a natural aversion to having sex with our brothers and sisters because that would cause serious genetic complications for offspring; we haven't actually had any reasons to evolve a natural attitude one way or another to meeting a gender reversed version of ourselves from a parallel universe). Of course, Lister explicitly points out in Ouroboros that Kochanski is technically his mother and that doesn't seem to bother him that much. Also, in Rimmerworld when faced with the dilemma that a female clone would technically be his sister Rimmer's attitude was that he simply wouldn't tell her. So you may be onto something.

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* It's called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect Westermark Westermarck effect]]. Also, they're the only humans within 3 million years, so desperation.
* The gender reversed alter ego thing could be understandable (we've evolved with a natural aversion to having sex with our brothers and sisters because that would cause serious genetic complications for offspring; we haven't actually had any reasons to evolve a natural attitude one way or another to meeting a gender reversed version of ourselves from a parallel universe). Of course, Lister explicitly points out in Ouroboros that Kochanski is technically his mother and that doesn't seem to bother him that much. Also, in Rimmerworld when faced with the dilemma that a female clone would technically be his sister sister, Rimmer's attitude was that he simply wouldn't tell her. So you may be onto something.
23rd Feb '18 5:09:57 PM FordPrefect
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** The planet appears to be inhabitable, if a tad deserty, before Rimmer fire up the accelerators. There might have been some native life.

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** The planet appears to be inhabitable, if a tad deserty, before Rimmer fire fires up the accelerators. There might have been some native life.
23rd Feb '18 5:08:54 PM FordPrefect
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* Droid Rot would naturally follow from being left on for 3 million years. The head's Northern English (Possibly Lancastrian) accent is a deterioration of his original Received Pronunciation English one.

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* Droid Rot would naturally follow from being left on for 3 million years. The head's Northern English (Possibly (possibly Lancastrian) accent is a deterioration of his original Received Pronunciation English one.
23rd Feb '18 5:07:55 PM FordPrefect
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** It would make a lot of sense that he'd have something like that after what he's gone through (might be a side-effect of his self-deprication and abusive family), and would also go hand in hand with his borderline obsessive compulsive behaviour.

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** It would make a lot of sense that he'd have something like that after what he's gone through (might be a side-effect of his self-deprication self-deprecation and abusive family), and would also go hand in hand with his borderline obsessive compulsive behaviour.
23rd Feb '18 10:23:45 AM Tightwire
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* I once imagined an episode with Kryten trying to be helpful by installing a cheap female hologram in Talkie Toaster, the intention being that it would become slightly more human, just as he had done. Unfortunately, as with many of Kryten's attempts to be helpful, it backfired, and Talkie Toaster got no better, using its human appearance to try and emotionally extort the eating of toast out of the crew - sobbing hysterics, suicide threats (which obviously mean nothing coming from a toaster's hologram) and even offering holographic sex to Rimmer in exchange for the eating of toast. Of course Rimmer can't eat toast, so TT would start insulting his sexuality for turning it down.

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* I once imagined an episode with Kryten trying to be helpful by installing a cheap female hologram in Talkie Toaster, the intention being that it would become slightly more human, just as he had done. Unfortunately, as with many of Kryten's attempts to be helpful, it backfired, and Talkie Toaster got no better, using its human appearance to try and emotionally extort the eating of toast out of the crew - sobbing hysterics, suicide threats (which obviously mean nothing coming from a toaster's hologram) and even offering holographic sex to Rimmer in exchange for the eating of toast. Of course Rimmer can't eat toast, so TT would start insulting his sexuality for turning it down.down.
--> '''Talkie:''' "I can take two at a time, y'know." (imagined line)
23rd Feb '18 10:21:10 AM Tightwire
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** FridgeLogic, the Chloe Annett version is actually the original who was replaced by C.P Grogan's version by the Inquisitor. When Lister tricked The Inquisitor and all his work had been undone, she was then restored to Chloe Annett's original version. The C.P Grogan verison the psiren transformed into in Series 6 was just because Lister remembered her like that, and his mind was unaffected by the timeline restoring itself. Mind blown yet?

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** FridgeLogic, the Chloe Annett version is actually the original who was replaced by C.P Grogan's version by the Inquisitor. When Lister tricked The Inquisitor and all his work had been undone, she was then restored to Chloe Annett's original version. The C.P Grogan verison the psiren transformed into in Series 6 was just because Lister remembered her like that, and his mind was unaffected by the timeline restoring itself. Mind blown yet?yet?

[[WMG: Talkie Toaster equates toasting with sex]]
Talkie Toaster didn't have room for a Silicon Heaven chip, but to make sure that Talkie Toaster (and other similar household appliances) don't ever rebel, its AI is tuned to think of toasting in the same way as humans think of sex. Unfortunately thanks to cheap production, Talkie Toaster is a nymphomaniac...
* I once imagined an episode with Kryten trying to be helpful by installing a cheap female hologram in Talkie Toaster, the intention being that it would become slightly more human, just as he had done. Unfortunately, as with many of Kryten's attempts to be helpful, it backfired, and Talkie Toaster got no better, using its human appearance to try and emotionally extort the eating of toast out of the crew - sobbing hysterics, suicide threats (which obviously mean nothing coming from a toaster's hologram) and even offering holographic sex to Rimmer in exchange for the eating of toast. Of course Rimmer can't eat toast, so TT would start insulting his sexuality for turning it down.
21st Dec '17 6:08:29 PM Malady
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[[WMG: [[Main/TheBrittasEmpire Gordon Brittas]] is an alternate universe version of Arnold Rimmer.]]

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[[WMG: [[Main/TheBrittasEmpire [[Series/TheBrittasEmpire Gordon Brittas]] is an alternate universe version of Arnold Rimmer.]]
4th Nov '17 12:20:13 PM CynicalBastardo
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* It's implied to be a trivially easy task in Series VIII, so that's plausible.
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