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** Oz is starting to turn evil, so when Dorothy shows up instead of sending her home Glinda sends her to the Wizard in the hopes of reminding him of the woman he loved, and also the China Girl. (Who's probably dead). However, he manipulates her into killing the Wicked Witch, and Glinda has to go along with it lest she angers The Great and Terrible Oz.
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[[WMG: Tornadoes are the portal to Oz]]
People only seem to get sent there when there's a tornado. (Though this troper confesses to only seeing the original film and this one) Coincidence?
People only seem to get sent there when there's a tornado. (Though this troper confesses to only seeing the original film and this one) Coincidence?
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There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely. If he told the truth, Dorothy may have evaded the tornado and he may have never gotten back to Kansas!
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There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely.safely and returned. If he told the truth, Dorothy may have evaded the tornado and he may have never gotten back to Kansas!
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There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely.
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There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely. If he told the truth, Dorothy may have evaded the tornado and he may have never gotten back to Kansas!
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[[WMG: When Oz comes back at the end of Dorothy's adventure, he gets dropped off a period of time ''before'' Dorothy leaves.]]
There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely.
*So, in order:
-->1.Oz goes to Oz.
-->2.Oz returns from Oz (from #4)
-->3.Dorothy goes to Oz
-->4.Wizard's balloon flies off by mistake, only dropping him off back at #2.
-->5.Dorothy returns from Oz
There's a TimeyWimeyBall TimeTravel involved. This is how he can be there ''before'' Dorothy's adventure starts and is ''still there'' when she gets back. This means Oz knew all about both his and her adventures when she met him the first time - he didn't say anything because he already knew she had at least defeated the Wicked Witch safely.
*So, in order:
-->1.Oz goes to Oz.
-->2.Oz returns from Oz (from #4)
-->3.Dorothy goes to Oz
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[[WMG: Evanora is the witch who possesses [[Series/TinMan Azkadellia]]
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[[WMG: Evanora is the witch who possesses [[Series/TinMan Azkadellia]]
Evanora's true form is a hag; the witch's true form in Tin Man is a hag, and they both hold true command over the flying baboons. she also possesses someone of a similar physical type as her disguised form.
Evanora's true form is a hag; the witch's true form in Tin Man is a hag, and they both hold true command over the flying baboons. she also possesses someone of a similar physical type as her disguised form.
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** Yes, well... OP here: I first wrote the theory on TV Tropes and then wrote the fanfic based on it. :)
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*** Depending on Dorothy's age, several years pass between Theodora's transformation and Dorothy's birth - perhaps creating a period of limbo for Theodora's/Dorothy's soul.
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*** Depending on Dorothy's age, several years pass between Theodora's transformation and Dorothy's birth - perhaps creating a period of limbo for Theodora's/Dorothy's soul. Perhaps it takes those few years for someone (Glinda?) to work out how to reincarnate her?
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*** Depending on Dorothy's age, several years pass between Theodora's transformation and Dorothy's birth - perhaps creating a period of limbo for Theodora's/Dorothy's soul.
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*** Glinda's opening question, "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?", takes on a deeper meaning (i.e. "Are you ready to face and conquer your 'evil side'?")
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*** Glinda's opening question, "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?", takes on a deeper meaning (i.e. "Are you ready to face and conquer your 'evil side'?") side'?"), and the initial assumption made by Glinda and the Munchkins that Dorothy is a witch is correct (she is the reincarnation of a witch).
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** This theory is FridgeBrilliance fuel regarding events and dialogue in the 1939 film:
*** Dorothy was really dropping a house on her evil sister, the one responsible for destroying her heart, as a karmic comeback.
*** Dorothy was really dropping a house on her evil sister, the one responsible for destroying her heart, as a karmic comeback.
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** This theory is FridgeBrilliance fuel regarding events and dialogue in OTGAP and the 1939 film:
*** Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you ever find the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as she ''does'' return in the form of Dorothy.
*** When Dorothywas really arrived in Oz, she enacted a karmic resolution by dropping a house on her evil sister, the one witch who was responsible for destroying her heart, heart and goodness in her incarnation as a karmic comeback.Theodora.
*** Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you ever find the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as she ''does'' return in the form of Dorothy.
*** When Dorothy
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*** Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you ever find the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as she ''does'' return in the form of Dorothy.
*** Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you ever find the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as she ''does'' return in the form of Dorothy.
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*** Dorothy is indirectly responsible for exposing the Wizard as a fraud. Considering what he did to her previous incarnation as Theodora, this could be a form of RestrainedRevenge, as well as the development of a character arc in which the naive Theodora has finally had her eyes opened enough to see through trickery. Moreover, she has several lines that are reminiscent of what a more savvy (unenchanted) Theodora may have said to him: "I don't believe you!" "Oh, you're a very bad man!"
*** The wizard abandons her as he abandoned Theodora ("Don't go without me!"), but this time, Glinda is able to intervene on her behalf - something she could not do in OTGAP.
***Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you Dorothy's self-identified lesson ("If I ever find go looking for my heart's desire again, I won't look any further than my own backyard because, if it isn't there, I never really lost it to begin with.") is something she learned starting from all the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as way back when she ''does'' return (as Theodora) was naive enough to invest her worth and her happiness in the form of Dorothy.
another (Oz).
*** The wizard abandons her as he abandoned Theodora ("Don't go without me!"), but this time, Glinda is able to intervene on her behalf - something she could not do in OTGAP.
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*** Oscars's parting words to Theodora in OTGAP “Should you ever find the goodness within you, you are welcome to return." in fact are fulfilled, as she ''does'' return in the form of Dorothy.
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* There's a decent fanfic based on this theory: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9089514/1/The-Reborn-Princess-of-Oz.
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** This theory is FridgeBrilliance fuel regarding events and dialogue in the 1939 film:
*** Dorothy was really dropping a house on her evil sister, the one responsible for destroying her heart, as a karmic comeback. She
*** Glinda finally helps and mentors the good side of Theodora, which she is implied to have wanted to do in OTGAP but never got the chance.
*** Glinda's opening question, "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?", takes on a deeper meaning (i.e. "Are you ready to face and conquer your 'evil side'?")
*** Dorothy's exchanges with the Wicked Witch of the West, and their rivalry for possession of the ruby slippers, become an inner struggle between the conflicting "good" and "evil" parts of herself.
*** The Witch's line "And you, my dear, what an unexpected pleasure. It's so kind of you to visit me in my loneliness." was not sarcastic.
*** The Witch's dying words are not that ''she'' is being destroyed, but ''her wickedness'' ("Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness.") - and her melting into the ground possibly carries a connotation of re-assimilation as much as that of destruction.
*** Dorothy is indirectly responsible for exposing the Wizard as a fraud. Considering what he did to her previous incarnation as Theodora, this could be a form of RestrainedRevenge, as well as the development of a character arc in which the naive Theodora has finally had her eyes opened enough to see through trickery.
*** Dorothy was really dropping a house on her evil sister, the one responsible for destroying her heart, as a karmic comeback. She
*** Glinda finally helps and mentors the good side of Theodora, which she is implied to have wanted to do in OTGAP but never got the chance.
*** Glinda's opening question, "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?", takes on a deeper meaning (i.e. "Are you ready to face and conquer your 'evil side'?")
*** Dorothy's exchanges with the Wicked Witch of the West, and their rivalry for possession of the ruby slippers, become an inner struggle between the conflicting "good" and "evil" parts of herself.
*** The Witch's line "And you, my dear, what an unexpected pleasure. It's so kind of you to visit me in my loneliness." was not sarcastic.
*** The Witch's dying words are not that ''she'' is being destroyed, but ''her wickedness'' ("Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness.") - and her melting into the ground possibly carries a connotation of re-assimilation as much as that of destruction.
*** Dorothy is indirectly responsible for exposing the Wizard as a fraud. Considering what he did to her previous incarnation as Theodora, this could be a form of RestrainedRevenge, as well as the development of a character arc in which the naive Theodora has finally had her eyes opened enough to see through trickery.
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** (OP) Wow, that's even better than the Ozma theory. Wish I thought of that. Small nitpick, though: in the world of OTGAP (and the books), Oz isn't any less real than Kansas, so the "real world" qualifier is unnecessary. It's not the 1939 movie, where it was AllJustADream.
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*I like this theory, but it makes more sense if Theodora's soul was reincarnated in the real world as Dorothy. This explains their similar names, and makes Dorothy's journey to kill the witch in the book all the more awesome: she wasn't sent on a fool's errand by a humbug, but on a necessary journey journey of self-redemption by a wise savior. In other words, in order to find happiness, she must defeat her own evil side. Finally, remember that Dorothy deeply desired to return home in the original book, but in the later books, she permanently moved to Oz: she was actually subconsciously desiring to live in Oz all along, because Oz was her original home when she was Theodora.
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** Or CheshireCrossing or their own unique blend of the three, because quite frankly its a DreamTeam. Throw in [[GulliversTravels Lemuel Gulliver]] for a bonus.
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[[WMG: Oz is also [[TheMusicMan Proffeser Harold Hill]]]]
So in this alternate universe the tornado hits another part of Kansas. This allows Oz to escape in the balloon. From the days experiences he has an epiphany and learns 4 main points
1. Get out of circuses, they only lead to trouble.
2. If i'mgoing to seduce someone don't use the music box trick
3. I still need an assistant but they don't need to be smart
4. I need to travel far enough away from Kansas that they don't know my face and my disgrace but still in naive Midwestern areas.
So using whatever money he has left in his bag he starts travelling around the mid west as a travelling salesman. (As for why he ages about 20years in 5 or so years lets call it magic).
So in this alternate universe the tornado hits another part of Kansas. This allows Oz to escape in the balloon. From the days experiences he has an epiphany and learns 4 main points
1. Get out of circuses, they only lead to trouble.
2. If i'mgoing to seduce someone don't use the music box trick
3. I still need an assistant but they don't need to be smart
4. I need to travel far enough away from Kansas that they don't know my face and my disgrace but still in naive Midwestern areas.
So using whatever money he has left in his bag he starts travelling around the mid west as a travelling salesman. (As for why he ages about 20years in 5 or so years lets call it magic).
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Ozma is the daughter of the ruler of Oz. In these films, that was Glinda. Perhaps Ozma will be born to Glinda and oz.
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Ozma is the daughter of the ruler of Oz. In these films, that was Glinda. Perhaps Ozma will be born to Glinda and oz.Oz.
* Alternatively, Ozma is the youngest sister of the four witches who was vanished by Mombi before the events of the movie.
* Alternatively, Ozma is the youngest sister of the four witches who was vanished by Mombi before the events of the movie.
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''{{Lion of Oz and the Badge of Courage}}'']]
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After [[Theater/{{Wicked}} Elphaba's]] [[spoiler:apparent death]] and his removal from power, he begins to fantasize about a world where he truly is heroic and "wonderful", he gets the pretty girl, and the Wicked Witch of the West is truly wicked and [[spoiler:not his daughter]]. Unable to come to terms with the real world, his mind eventually breaks and that's when this movie takes place.
[[WMG: The Good Witch of the North isn't around to help in the movie because she's having trouble with the Nome King and Mombi.]]
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[[WMG: The former king of Oz was Pastoria.]]
[[WMG: The Good Witch of the North isn't around to help in the movie because she's having trouble with the Nome King and Mombi.]]
[[WMG: The former king of Oz was Pastoria.]]
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Adding a bigger connection between the two characters who look alike. He also takes Oscar's wagon to become a traveling fortuneteller.
[[WMG: When Oz returns to Kansas without Dorothy in TWoO he goes back in time, [[NarniaTime as if he never left]].]]
Like every other story, ones that TWoO has ubiquitously influence, Oz returns to Kansas like he was simply lifted by the tornado and set down safely somewhere else. He lives his life, reconciles with Frank and is a overall a better man. The only problem is he does not know what happened to Dorothy, until he sees her parents and realizes how she might have met him.
Adding a bigger connection between the two characters who look alike. He also takes Oscar's wagon to become a traveling fortuneteller.
[[WMG: When Oz returns to Kansas without Dorothy in TWoO he goes back in time, [[NarniaTime as if he never left]].]]
Like every other story, ones that TWoO has ubiquitously influence, Oz returns to Kansas like he was simply lifted by the tornado and set down safely somewhere else. He lives his life, reconciles with Frank and is a overall a better man. The only problem is he does not know what happened to Dorothy, until he sees her parents and realizes how she might have met him.
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Like every other story, ones that TWoO ''[=TWoO=]'' has ubiquitously influence, Oz returns to Kansas like he was simply lifted by the tornado and set down safely somewhere else. He lives his life, reconciles with Frank and is a overall a better man. The only problem is he does not know what happened to Dorothy, until he sees her parents and realizes how she might have met him.\\
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