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[[WMG: Retconning ''everything'' after [[{{ComicBook/CivilWar}} Civil War]], as well as the war itself, is actually pretty simple.]]

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[[WMG: Mephisto didn't really care about dissolving Franchise/SpiderMan's marriage]]

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[[WMG: Mephisto didn't really care about dissolving Franchise/SpiderMan's ComicBook/SpiderMan's marriage]]



* And why does he want Spidey out of the picture? Because one by one, any potential allies that his nemesis could have (Comicbook/GhostRider if I remember correctly), thus allowing Mephisto to defeat him.

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* And why does he want Spidey out of the picture? Because one by one, any potential allies that his nemesis could have (Comicbook/GhostRider (ComicBook/GhostRider if I remember correctly), thus allowing Mephisto to defeat him.



[[WMG: Retconning ''everything'' after [[{{Comicbook/CivilWar}} Civil War]], as well as the war itself, is actually pretty simple.]]

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[[WMG: Retconning ''everything'' after [[{{Comicbook/CivilWar}} [[{{ComicBook/CivilWar}} Civil War]], as well as the war itself, is actually pretty simple.]]



This is a different Gambit, but it still fits under this heading. What if Quesaeda somehow got the idea in his head that Spiderman was losing readers, so he concocted an amazing Gambit that would not make itself clear until the very end. He can't exactly KILL Spiderman because, as we all know DeathIsCheap. So, he came up with the idea to do the next most unbelievable thing, retcon his marriage out of existence. Now while everyone is either pissed to the point of borderline murderous rage, or ignoring it, he will simply bide his time, throwing in a few [ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns], and then, when we all but accepted that Peter and Mary Jane will never get back together, somehow find a way to, if not reverse O.M.D. entirely, then a dramatic climax to an arc where they start another permanent relationship again. All of those public statements he says about marriage making him seem too old? All part of an elaborate plan that everyone from Linkara to you are falling for.

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This is a different Gambit, but it still fits under this heading. What if Quesaeda somehow got the idea in his head that Spiderman Spider-Man was losing readers, so he concocted an amazing Gambit that would not make itself clear until the very end. He can't exactly KILL Spiderman Spider-Man because, as we all know DeathIsCheap. So, he came up with the idea to do the next most unbelievable thing, retcon his marriage out of existence. Now while everyone is either pissed to the point of borderline murderous rage, or ignoring it, he will simply bide his time, throwing in a few [ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns], and then, when we all but accepted that Peter and Mary Jane will never get back together, somehow find a way to, if not reverse O.M.D. entirely, then a dramatic climax to an arc where they start another permanent relationship again. All of those public statements he says about marriage making him seem too old? All part of an elaborate plan that everyone from Linkara to you are falling for.



** Also see the Franchise/SpiderMan page's WMG section.

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** Also see the Franchise/SpiderMan ComicBook/SpiderMan page's WMG section.



When Aunt May was shot, Norman had a brilliant idea to make Peter's life hell. Norman promised Mephisto his soul, in exchange for which he asked that Mephisto mind-control Comicbook/DoctorStrange (a sorcerer who could easily heal a non-magical wound), Reed Richards (who once ''built a portal to heaven'' and demanded that Jack Kirby give a dead Ben Grimm back), and Elixr (whose whole mutant power is healing wounds), and every other useful person in the Marvel Universe into becoming total morons incapable of healing Aunt May. Norman then asked that Mephisto to mind-control Peter into going nuts and thinking that making a deal with the devil was a good idea. Therefore, Norman screwed Peter over by forcing Peter to screw ''himself'' over. It also explains why Harry Osborn was resurrected.

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When Aunt May was shot, Norman had a brilliant idea to make Peter's life hell. Norman promised Mephisto his soul, in exchange for which he asked that Mephisto mind-control Comicbook/DoctorStrange ComicBook/DoctorStrange (a sorcerer who could easily heal a non-magical wound), Reed Richards (who once ''built a portal to heaven'' and demanded that Jack Kirby give a dead Ben Grimm back), and Elixr (whose whole mutant power is healing wounds), and every other useful person in the Marvel Universe into becoming total morons incapable of healing Aunt May. Norman then asked that Mephisto to mind-control Peter into going nuts and thinking that making a deal with the devil was a good idea. Therefore, Norman screwed Peter over by forcing Peter to screw ''himself'' over. It also explains why Harry Osborn was resurrected.



[[WMG: Creator/JoeQuesada ships Black Cat with Spiderman.]]
Think about it-if he truly hated Mary Jane, wouldn't it make more sense to kill her? The truth is that he would much prefer the pairing between Black Cat and Spiderman than Mary Jane and Spiderman. Hence, he breaks them up so Peter can date and/or bang her without guilt or hassle. The whole DealWithTheDevil thing is him being lazy.

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[[WMG: Creator/JoeQuesada ships Black Cat with Spiderman.Spider-Man.]]
Think about it-if he truly hated Mary Jane, wouldn't it make more sense to kill her? The truth is that he would much prefer the pairing between Black Cat and Spiderman Spider-Man than Mary Jane and Spiderman.Spider-Man. Hence, he breaks them up so Peter can date and/or bang her without guilt or hassle. The whole DealWithTheDevil thing is him being lazy.



Deadpool will be outraged at this atrocity of a retcon. Being that he has NoFourthWall, he will try and beat up Creator/JoeQuesada. Then along comes Mephisto-the true, original Mephisto. He will be pissed that his image was ruined by the [[Creator/JoeQuesada false Mephisto,]] and form an EnemyMine to get rid of it. This ends up with a CurbStompBattle, revealing Joe Quesada himself. After this, Deadpool will give a ReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech to him, and why what he did makes no freaking sense. Bonus TakeThat points if Joe admits "Bah! [[ItsAllAboutMe I don't even care what I've done to Spiderman,]] [[YoungerAndHipper I just wanted him to be cool, hip]] and available!", or even the Anvilicious "I ''never'' cared about the fanbase." Whatever the result, it will involve everything about ComicBook/OneMoreDay to be AllJustADream. And every writer on the block will outright ''refuse'' to let Joe Quesada change this. Giving one of the greatest fan revenge moments of all time. And it will be AWESOME.

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Deadpool will be outraged at this atrocity of a retcon. Being that he has NoFourthWall, he will try and beat up Creator/JoeQuesada. Then along comes Mephisto-the true, original Mephisto. He will be pissed that his image was ruined by the [[Creator/JoeQuesada false Mephisto,]] and form an EnemyMine to get rid of it. This ends up with a CurbStompBattle, revealing Joe Quesada himself. After this, Deadpool will give a ReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech to him, and why what he did makes no freaking sense. Bonus TakeThat points if Joe admits "Bah! [[ItsAllAboutMe I don't even care what I've done to Spiderman,]] Spider-Man,]] [[YoungerAndHipper I just wanted him to be cool, hip]] and available!", or even the Anvilicious "I ''never'' cared about the fanbase." Whatever the result, it will involve everything about ComicBook/OneMoreDay to be AllJustADream. And every writer on the block will outright ''refuse'' to let Joe Quesada change this. Giving one of the greatest fan revenge moments of all time. And it will be AWESOME.



REVENGE! If Joe Quesada thinks he can pull a retcon on Spiderman and Mary Jane, we'll pull a retcon ''on him.'' The moment we invent a time machine through use of StableTimeLoop.

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REVENGE! If Joe Quesada thinks he can pull a retcon on Spiderman Spider-Man and Mary Jane, we'll pull a retcon ''on him.'' The moment we invent a time machine through use of StableTimeLoop.



Of course, this only exposes how colossally stupid Peter and M.J. must be to have accepted the deal after hearing his open gloating, and M.J. earns no sympathy from her tears post-changed-world if she honestly remembers everything. Also, any ''number'' of above WMG theories can be tied to this one - including the one about [[ReplacementScrappy Ca]][[CreatorsPet rl]][[RelationshipSue ie]] being Mephisto's personal [[Anime/TenchiMuyo Sak]][[TomatoInTheMirror uya]], the one about Quesada being a disguised Mephisto or having sold his soul, the various ways ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, Doctor Strange, Comicbook/GhostRider, etc. can take part in the solution that undoes the damage, even the fate-of-the-universe version of the old proposed [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] solution with Judas Traveller and Mephisto's old wager about the nature of humans. Any future Marvel editors or really good fanfic writers reading this and looking for a way to restore the marriage and the characters' integrity with an epic story, you are welcome to all of this!!

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Of course, this only exposes how colossally stupid Peter and M.J. must be to have accepted the deal after hearing his open gloating, and M.J. earns no sympathy from her tears post-changed-world if she honestly remembers everything. Also, any ''number'' of above WMG theories can be tied to this one - including the one about [[ReplacementScrappy Ca]][[CreatorsPet rl]][[RelationshipSue ie]] being Mephisto's personal [[Anime/TenchiMuyo Sak]][[TomatoInTheMirror uya]], the one about Quesada being a disguised Mephisto or having sold his soul, the various ways ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, Doctor Strange, Comicbook/GhostRider, ComicBook/GhostRider, etc. can take part in the solution that undoes the damage, even the fate-of-the-universe version of the old proposed [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] solution with Judas Traveller and Mephisto's old wager about the nature of humans. Any future Marvel editors or really good fanfic writers reading this and looking for a way to restore the marriage and the characters' integrity with an epic story, you are welcome to all of this!!



Spiderman teams up with Thor who realizes the truth and goes on to beat up Mephisto. After all,if you can't[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punch out a powerful demon,]]why not make the God who owes you one do it?

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Spiderman Spider-Man teams up with Thor who realizes the truth and goes on to beat up Mephisto. After all,if you can't[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punch out a powerful demon,]]why not make the God who owes you one do it?



[[WMG: Spidey and Mephisto will face off during Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan ]]

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[[WMG: Spidey and Mephisto will face off during Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan ]]



Okay so when Otto fights Peter in Peter's mind, Otto not only makes the argument Peter is fundamentally selfish, but Peter is somehow unable to refute it. Superior also has both Ghost Peter (before he's deleted) and Mary Jane admit to themselves that they still love one another/they are each others soulmates. And thus when Otto is inevitably found out (likely because he keeps getting more violent, sloppy, and no longer has Peter's memories and will slip up when confronted with information he should know about, but somehow doesn't), the heroes of New York (plus MJ who will likely play a hand in his grand unmasking) try to figure out to get the real Peter Parker back. Through some TechnoBabble mumbo jumbo, they're able to see the mental fight Peter lost and instantly know something must be wrong because Peter Parker, as Comicbook/TheAvengers, Comicbook/FantasticFour etc. know him, is the most selfless, responsible guy on the planet. As some of the above speculate, Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange etc. start sensing the universe was changed, but can't pinpoint how. When they try to view the change all the see us the events of ComicBook/OneMomentInTime, wherein they hid Parker's identity. While said action did cause change, it shouldn't be enough to warrant what they sense, especially sense the physic blind spot that prevents people from uncovering the truth about Peter's ID was effectively undone in ComicBook/SpiderIsland. Eventually it's revealed that Peter and MJ were married, and the events of ComicBook/OneMomentInTime were placed in everyone's memory in place of what actually happened. Mephisto went out of his way to make Peter and MJ's memory of their wedding day as horrible as possible and inject petty fighting in their memory in hopes that he can prevent them forever getting back together as some of the above speculations (take your pick) for what he's truly aftter end up correct. Ock was only able to defeat Peter because the Peter in this timeline has subconscious memories of the deal and thinks of himself as unworthy, even more so than other Peters. Cue epic battle to undo everything, get the real Peter back, and obligatory badass MJ somehow getting her revenge on Mehispto for manipulating her and taking away the love of her life.

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Okay so when Otto fights Peter in Peter's mind, Otto not only makes the argument Peter is fundamentally selfish, but Peter is somehow unable to refute it. Superior also has both Ghost Peter (before he's deleted) and Mary Jane admit to themselves that they still love one another/they are each others soulmates. And thus when Otto is inevitably found out (likely because he keeps getting more violent, sloppy, and no longer has Peter's memories and will slip up when confronted with information he should know about, but somehow doesn't), the heroes of New York (plus MJ who will likely play a hand in his grand unmasking) try to figure out to get the real Peter Parker back. Through some TechnoBabble mumbo jumbo, they're able to see the mental fight Peter lost and instantly know something must be wrong because Peter Parker, as Comicbook/TheAvengers, Comicbook/FantasticFour ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/FantasticFour etc. know him, is the most selfless, responsible guy on the planet. As some of the above speculate, Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange etc. start sensing the universe was changed, but can't pinpoint how. When they try to view the change all the see us the events of ComicBook/OneMomentInTime, wherein they hid Parker's identity. While said action did cause change, it shouldn't be enough to warrant what they sense, especially sense the physic blind spot that prevents people from uncovering the truth about Peter's ID was effectively undone in ComicBook/SpiderIsland. Eventually it's revealed that Peter and MJ were married, and the events of ComicBook/OneMomentInTime were placed in everyone's memory in place of what actually happened. Mephisto went out of his way to make Peter and MJ's memory of their wedding day as horrible as possible and inject petty fighting in their memory in hopes that he can prevent them forever getting back together as some of the above speculations (take your pick) for what he's truly aftter end up correct. Ock was only able to defeat Peter because the Peter in this timeline has subconscious memories of the deal and thinks of himself as unworthy, even more so than other Peters. Cue epic battle to undo everything, get the real Peter back, and obligatory badass MJ somehow getting her revenge on Mehispto for manipulating her and taking away the love of her life.



I mean the great minds of the Marvel Universe, including Strange himself who is capable of using freaking magic that could do anything - can't treat a gunshot wound? Suddenly everyone is talking about how you have to let it go and all that. That was Peter trying to break free of this illusion like Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''Comicbook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.

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I mean the great minds of the Marvel Universe, including Strange himself who is capable of using freaking magic that could do anything - can't treat a gunshot wound? Suddenly everyone is talking about how you have to let it go and all that. That was Peter trying to break free of this illusion like Franchise/{{Superman}} ComicBook/{{Superman}} in ''Comicbook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.
''ComicBook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.



[[WMG:In ''[[Comicbook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan Earth-7642]]'' Peter and MJ are married]]
Clearly, when Mephisto tried to screw with Peter's marriage, Earth-7642 Superman -who is an alternate Silver/Bronze Age Superman- punched him out. And when Mephisto's agents tried to change history, Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} travelled back in time and blasted them. Married [[TheCape Capes]] look after each other.

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[[WMG:In ''[[Comicbook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan ''[[ComicBook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan Earth-7642]]'' Peter and MJ are married]]
Clearly, when Mephisto tried to screw with Peter's marriage, Earth-7642 Superman -who is an alternate Silver/Bronze Age Superman- punched him out. And when Mephisto's agents tried to change history, Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} travelled back in time and blasted them. Married [[TheCape Capes]] look after each other.
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* As some kind of meta analogy to the fact Peter's marriage to M.J. ''is'' an important part of the character[[note]] You're free to say what you want, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Mr. Chief Executive Officer of Marvel]], it's still true.[[/note]], when some kind of shit will hit the whole Marvel fan (read: CrisisCrossover), at some point the only hope would be the help of a divine entity of some sort (ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, [[ComicBook/SecretWars1984 Beyonder]], whatever), but... ''the god would save humanity only if he deems it worthy.'' This is the point where it got worse: in the judgment of mankind, only a strong love like the former relationship between Peter and M.J. would make the difference, except that - surprise, surprise - it's not there anymore! Then... uh, stuff happens, and at some point either the [[ComicBook/OneMomentInTime (results of the)]] deal with Mephisto are undone for the greater good or Peter and M.J., before the end of the world, spend [[IronicEcho one more day]] together until they finally realize they love each other, and then '''they kiss.''' Said kiss, being just what's needed in order to save the world, restores the MarvelUniverse, reverts the "Crisis" in "CrisisCrossover", and, therefore, [[MundaneMadeAwesome is quickly made]] the single greatest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the entire Marvel multiverse.

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* As some kind of meta analogy to the fact Peter's marriage to M.J. ''is'' an important part of the character[[note]] You're free to say what you want, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Mr. Chief Executive Officer of Marvel]], it's still true.[[/note]], when some kind of shit will hit the whole Marvel fan (read: CrisisCrossover), at some point the only hope would be the help of a divine entity of some sort (ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, [[ComicBook/SecretWars1984 Beyonder]], whatever), but... ''the god would save humanity only if he deems it worthy.'' This is the point where it got worse: in the judgment of mankind, only a strong love like the former relationship between Peter and M.J. would make the difference, except that - surprise, surprise - it's not there anymore! Then... uh, stuff happens, and at some point either the [[ComicBook/OneMomentInTime (results of the)]] deal with Mephisto are undone for the greater good or Peter and M.J., before the end of the world, spend [[IronicEcho one more day]] together until they finally realize they love each other, and then '''they kiss.''' Said kiss, being just what's needed in order to save the world, restores the MarvelUniverse, Marvel Universe, reverts the "Crisis" in "CrisisCrossover", and, therefore, [[MundaneMadeAwesome is quickly made]] the single greatest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the entire Marvel multiverse.
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* Yeah, good luck with that. So long as Marvel editorial has their way that old bag will '''never''' kick it no matter how many times she has one foot in the damn grave already. And Mephisto probably knows this, so yeah, that probably ''is'' a stipulation of the deal just to fuck with everybody.
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It was [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Judas Traveller]] all along! [[DontExplainTheJoke It's funny because he was supposed to have his soul taken by Mephisto in the Clone Saga]]. [[InsaneTrollLogic What better way to fix a]] DorkAge [[InsaneTrollLogic than by connecting it to another]] DorkAge?

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It was [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Judas Traveller]] all along! [[DontExplainTheJoke It's funny because he was supposed to have his soul taken by Mephisto in the Clone Saga]]. [[InsaneTrollLogic What better way to fix a]] DorkAge an]] AudienceAlienatingEra [[InsaneTrollLogic than by connecting it to another]] DorkAge?
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*** Simple, wait for him to get bored. Hey, I can wait until the end of time... Or I can track down one of those neat God-Killing MacGuffins.

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*** Simple, wait for him to get bored. Hey, I can wait until the end of time... Or I can track down one of those neat God-Killing MacGuffins.
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* Sorry for that. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Dreadpool didn't kill me]] [[KilledMidSentence mid-edit]] or something. [[FalseReassurance I'm just playing]] the Kayfabe that he did. [[BlatantLies I'm totally not Dreadpool.]] Could you tell me where I can find the Marvel Comics HQ? [[KillEmAll I just want to congratulate them on]] -- wait, I have [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou some business to finish.]]

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* Sorry for that. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Dreadpool didn't kill me]] [[KilledMidSentence mid-edit]] or something. [[FalseReassurance I'm just playing]] the Kayfabe that he did. [[BlatantLies I'm totally not Dreadpool.]] Could you tell me where I can find the Marvel Comics HQ? [[KillEmAll I just want to congratulate them on]] on -- wait, I have [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou some business to finish.]]
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[[WMG: The Spider-Man from OND/BND is actually [[Machinima/RedVsBlue Grif]]]]

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[[WMG: The Spider-Man from OND/BND is actually [[Machinima/RedVsBlue [[WebAnimation/RedVsBlue Grif]]]]
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* As some kind of meta analogy to the fact Peter's marriage to M.J. ''is'' an important part of the character[[note]] You're free to say what you want, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Mr. Chief Executive Officer of Marvel]], it's still true.[[/note]], when some kind of shit will hit the whole Marvel fan (read: CrisisCrossover), at some point the only hope would be the help of a divine entity of some sort (ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, [[ComicBook/SecretWars Beyonder]], whatever), but... ''the god would save humanity only if he deems it worthy.'' This is the point where it got worse: in the judgment of mankind, only a strong love like the former relationship between Peter and M.J. would make the difference, except that - surprise, surprise - it's not there anymore! Then... uh, stuff happens, and at some point either the [[ComicBook/OneMomentInTime (results of the)]] deal with Mephisto are undone for the greater good or Peter and M.J., before the end of the world, spend [[IronicEcho one more day]] together until they finally realize they love each other, and then '''they kiss.''' Said kiss, being just what's needed in order to save the world, restores the MarvelUniverse, reverts the "Crisis" in "CrisisCrossover", and, therefore, [[MundaneMadeAwesome is quickly made]] the single greatest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the entire Marvel multiverse.

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* As some kind of meta analogy to the fact Peter's marriage to M.J. ''is'' an important part of the character[[note]] You're free to say what you want, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Mr. Chief Executive Officer of Marvel]], it's still true.[[/note]], when some kind of shit will hit the whole Marvel fan (read: CrisisCrossover), at some point the only hope would be the help of a divine entity of some sort (ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, [[ComicBook/SecretWars [[ComicBook/SecretWars1984 Beyonder]], whatever), but... ''the god would save humanity only if he deems it worthy.'' This is the point where it got worse: in the judgment of mankind, only a strong love like the former relationship between Peter and M.J. would make the difference, except that - surprise, surprise - it's not there anymore! Then... uh, stuff happens, and at some point either the [[ComicBook/OneMomentInTime (results of the)]] deal with Mephisto are undone for the greater good or Peter and M.J., before the end of the world, spend [[IronicEcho one more day]] together until they finally realize they love each other, and then '''they kiss.''' Said kiss, being just what's needed in order to save the world, restores the MarvelUniverse, reverts the "Crisis" in "CrisisCrossover", and, therefore, [[MundaneMadeAwesome is quickly made]] the single greatest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the entire Marvel multiverse.
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[[WMG: Peter loved Aunt May. ''[[IncestIsRelative In that way.]]'']]

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[[WMG: Peter loved Aunt May. ''[[IncestIsRelative In ''In that way.]]'']]'']]
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** Recently, this has been confirmed. Their daughter could have overthrown Mephisto.




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* Confirmed! And ''One More Day'' is overturned.




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** Nope, they had Peter remember the deal and reconcile with MJ.


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The main reason why editors like Joe Quesada are hell-bent on retconning marriages and relationships is due to them reading comics before said relationships were developed: eg Joe Quesada didn't grow up reading about Mary Jane and Spidey's relationship, and is trying to enforce his beliefs. A generation from now, the new editors in charge will have grown up loving the relationships the current editors are steadfast in eliminating, and as such enforce their pairings. Whether this will be a good change or not is debatable-giving how opinions of the industry have changed over time, they could be accused of [[StrangledByTheRedString strangling characters by the red string]], and in a way being NotSoDifferent from their predecessors. Either way, I expect that within 20 to 30 years at most, editorial views on Mary Jane will be tilted on their head.

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The main reason why editors like Joe Quesada are hell-bent on retconning marriages and relationships is due to them reading comics before said relationships were developed: eg Joe Quesada didn't grow up reading about Mary Jane and Spidey's relationship, and is trying to enforce his beliefs. A generation from now, the new editors in charge will have grown up loving the relationships the current editors are steadfast in eliminating, and as such enforce their pairings. Whether this will be a good change or not is debatable-giving how opinions of the industry have changed over time, they could be accused of [[StrangledByTheRedString strangling characters by the red string]], and in a way being NotSoDifferent not so different from their predecessors. Either way, I expect that within 20 to 30 years at most, editorial views on Mary Jane will be tilted on their head.
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan2000 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd publish the fanfiction as a comic book, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too! It would be the be-all end-all for symbiotic entertainment!

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan2000 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction (in around ''one second'') as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd publish the fanfiction as a comic book, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too! It would be the be-all end-all for symbiotic entertainment!
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd publish the fanfiction as a comic book, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too! It would be the be-all end-all for symbiotic entertainment!

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan [[VideoGame/SpiderMan2000 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd publish the fanfiction as a comic book, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too! It would be the be-all end-all for symbiotic entertainment!
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Destroying one of the most meaningful, iconic marriages between two of the most positive yet real human characters in the history of fiction (at least American fiction) while straight up defiling the moral makeup of said characters in the process? Pure propaganda for, depending on the reader, either of two {{Family Unfriendly Aesop}}s ("making a DealWithTheDevil is kind of okay, in fact with a proper enough excuse it's preferable to being HappilyMarried with child" and "there are no real heroes anymore, as any of the role models you look up to may choose to follow Satan's prerogatives") that are actually part of a bigger one ("[[HumansAreBastards human nature is inherently selfish and evil anyway]]"). Quesada's orders, delivered by {{Satan}}, straight from {{Hell}}, carried out to perfection upon us. (NOTE: By no means should we rule out any other members of the team as being in on this either. Except maybe Straczynski, because he had a conscience enough to at least say "I want out" for five seconds.)

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Destroying one of the most meaningful, iconic marriages between two of the most positive yet real human characters in the history of fiction (at least American fiction) while straight up defiling the moral makeup of said characters in the process? Pure propaganda for, depending on the reader, either of two {{Family Unfriendly {{Hard Truth Aesop}}s ("making a DealWithTheDevil is kind of okay, in fact with a proper enough excuse it's preferable to being HappilyMarried with child" and "there are no real heroes anymore, as any of the role models you look up to may choose to follow Satan's prerogatives") that are actually part of a bigger one ("[[HumansAreBastards human nature is inherently selfish and evil anyway]]"). Quesada's orders, delivered by {{Satan}}, straight from {{Hell}}, carried out to perfection upon us. (NOTE: By no means should we rule out any other members of the team as being in on this either. Except maybe Straczynski, because he had a conscience enough to at least say "I want out" for five seconds.)
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[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} and ComicBook/SquirrelGirl are going to team-up, beat up Mephisto and undo One More Day.]]

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[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} and ComicBook/SquirrelGirl are going to team-up, beat up Mephisto and undo One More Day.]]



Of course, this only exposes how colossally stupid Peter and M.J. must be to have accepted the deal after hearing his open gloating, and M.J. earns no sympathy from her tears post-changed-world if she honestly remembers everything. Also, any ''number'' of above WMG theories can be tied to this one - including the one about [[ReplacementScrappy Ca]][[CreatorsPet rl]][[RelationshipSue ie]] being Mephisto's personal [[Anime/TenchiMuyo Sak]][[TomatoInTheMirror uya]], the one about Quesada being a disguised Mephisto or having sold his soul, the various ways SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, Doctor Strange, Comicbook/GhostRider, etc. can take part in the solution that undoes the damage, even the fate-of-the-universe version of the old proposed [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] solution with Judas Traveller and Mephisto's old wager about the nature of humans. Any future Marvel editors or really good fanfic writers reading this and looking for a way to restore the marriage and the characters' integrity with an epic story, you are welcome to all of this!!

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Of course, this only exposes how colossally stupid Peter and M.J. must be to have accepted the deal after hearing his open gloating, and M.J. earns no sympathy from her tears post-changed-world if she honestly remembers everything. Also, any ''number'' of above WMG theories can be tied to this one - including the one about [[ReplacementScrappy Ca]][[CreatorsPet rl]][[RelationshipSue ie]] being Mephisto's personal [[Anime/TenchiMuyo Sak]][[TomatoInTheMirror uya]], the one about Quesada being a disguised Mephisto or having sold his soul, the various ways SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, Doctor Strange, Comicbook/GhostRider, etc. can take part in the solution that undoes the damage, even the fate-of-the-universe version of the old proposed [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]] solution with Judas Traveller and Mephisto's old wager about the nature of humans. Any future Marvel editors or really good fanfic writers reading this and looking for a way to restore the marriage and the characters' integrity with an epic story, you are welcome to all of this!!
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[[WMG: The deal will be broken Aunt May dies.]]

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But we can see that Doctor Strange CAN bend the rules of reality to undo things, we see that Reed Richards has a working TIME MACHINE... Linkara even brought up that there is no reason why Doctor Doom would refuse to help, since he could use him later.

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But we can see that Doctor Strange CAN bend the rules of reality to undo things, we see that Reed Richards has a working TIME MACHINE... Linkara even brought up that there is no reason why Doctor Doom would refuse to help, help since he could use him later.



He did reach his house, but the moment he stepped through - he fell under a spell. A spell weaved into Strange's house, by some enemy. That explains why Strange, or anyone else connected to mystic arts, felt no presense of Mephisto.
Someone, affected by Mephisto, changed protective spells on his house, left a mind altering spell, that would feed on Spidey's worst fears, and as a reward likely gain an upper hand against Strange.

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He did reach his house, but the moment he stepped through - he fell under a spell. A spell weaved into Strange's house, by some enemy. That explains why Strange, or anyone else connected to mystic arts, felt no presense presence of Mephisto.
Someone, affected by Mephisto, changed protective spells on his house, left a mind altering mind-altering spell, that would feed on Spidey's worst fears, and as a reward likely gain an upper hand against Strange.



But wait - notice how many things look stupid. A fat guy knocked Spider-Man out? Reed Richards, doesn't question Spider-Man on his own involvment in Massive Mind Erasure? Green Goblin, who spent about 40% of his waking life to screw with Peter over and over, going as far as [[spoiler:seducing Gwen Stacy and make her bear two kids from him]], a man who has back ups of back ups, despite his insanity, doesn't remember him? Doc Ock suddenly figuring out a way to highjack someone's mind? MJ, despite her tolerance, love, her development of the years - doesn't do anything?

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But wait - notice how many things look stupid. A fat guy knocked Spider-Man out? Reed Richards, doesn't question Spider-Man on his own involvment involvement in Massive Mind Erasure? Green Goblin, who spent about 40% of his waking life to screw with Peter over and over, going as far as [[spoiler:seducing [[spoiler: seducing Gwen Stacy and make her bear two kids from him]], a man who has back ups backups of back ups, backups, despite his insanity, doesn't remember him? Doc Ock suddenly figuring out a way to highjack someone's mind? MJ, despite her tolerance, love, her development of the years - doesn't don't do anything?



He didn't care that Spider-Man will meet MJ and actually recongize something is wrong (which he didn't), he didn't care that MJ remembers the truth. He just needed a trip back in time to shift the world ever so slightly and help HIS goal.
Bring Chaos, corrupt "innocent", kill of more people as a sacrifice, evoke horrible monsters lurking under the skin of reality, destroy whole universe, and more.

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He didn't care that Spider-Man will meet MJ and actually recongize recognize something is wrong (which he didn't), he didn't care that MJ remembers the truth. He just needed a trip back in time to shift the world ever so slightly and help HIS goal.
Bring Chaos, corrupt "innocent", kill of off more people as a sacrifice, evoke horrible monsters lurking under the skin of reality, destroy the whole universe, and more.


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[[WMG: The deal will be broken Aunt May dies.]]
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[[WMG: Mephisto didn't really care about dissolving SpiderMan's marriage]]
This was never about denying true love, or tormenting souls. This was Mephisto's preemptive strike on Peter Parker and Mary Jane's child. Somehow, the child of SpiderMan would bring bad news to Mephisto, and all Mephisto's bullshit was simply a smokescreen so that Peter would never consider his kid being the target. Mephisto only revealed it after Peter made the deal, and was safe.

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[[WMG: Mephisto didn't really care about dissolving SpiderMan's Franchise/SpiderMan's marriage]]
This was never about denying true love, or tormenting souls. This was Mephisto's preemptive strike on Peter Parker and Mary Jane's child. Somehow, the child of SpiderMan Spider-Man would bring bad news to Mephisto, and all Mephisto's bullshit was simply a smokescreen so that Peter would never consider his kid being the target. Mephisto only revealed it after Peter made the deal, and was safe.



** Also see the SpiderMan page's WMG section.

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** Also see the SpiderMan Franchise/SpiderMan page's WMG section.
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Despite claims of [[RunningTheAsylum wanting the single Spiderman of his childhood]], Joe Quesada has no problems shipping Spidey with effectively a comic representative of his daughter. [[CreatorsPet This is bad enough]], but remember that he often uses Spidey has his own AuthorAvatar: [[FridgeHorror Joe Quesada wants to ship a character based off his daughter with a stand-in for HIM.]] In truth, Joe Quesada has really squicky [[ParentalIncest feelings for his daughter]], and comic books are a method of expressing these desires.

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Despite claims of [[RunningTheAsylum wanting the single Spiderman Spider-Man of his childhood]], Joe Quesada has no problems shipping Spidey with effectively a comic representative of his daughter. [[CreatorsPet This is bad enough]], but remember that he often uses Spidey has his own AuthorAvatar: [[FridgeHorror Joe Quesada wants to ship a character based off his daughter with a stand-in for HIM.]] In truth, Joe Quesada has really squicky [[ParentalIncest feelings for his daughter]], and comic books are a method of expressing these desires.



Had he dodged the bullet and saved MJ his aunt (as we know) would've been hit. So he chose not to move and took the bullet. His family was lucky to avoid being killed, but now Peter is in the coma and the entire Brand New Day continutiy is actually is all in his mind.
But why would he imagined himself not being married anymore? Guilt. Parker was and is very well known for being swallowed by guilt over many things - Uncle Ben - his fault, Ned Leeds - his fault, Captain Stacy and later his daughter-would-be-wife-to-Spider-man - his fault, losing a clone/brother - his fault, losing a daughter - his fault and so on. It's not a big of a stretch that his subconcious would create a scenario that would incorporate his guilt into it and made it ever worse for him.

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Had he dodged the bullet and saved MJ his aunt (as we know) would've been hit. So he chose not to move and took the bullet. His family was lucky to avoid being killed, but now Peter is in the a coma and the entire Brand New Day continutiy is actually is all in his mind.
But why would he imagined imagine himself not being married anymore? Guilt. Parker was and is very well known for being swallowed by guilt over many things - Uncle Ben - his fault, Ned Leeds - his fault, Captain Stacy and later his daughter-would-be-wife-to-Spider-man - his fault, losing a clone/brother - his fault, losing a daughter - his fault and so on. It's not a big of a stretch that his subconcious would create a scenario that would incorporate his guilt into it and made it ever worse for him.



I mean great minds of Marvel Universe, including Strange himself who is capable of using freaking magic that could do anything - can't treat a gunshot wound? Suddenly everyone is talking about how you have to let it go and all that. That was Peter trying to break free of this illusion like Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''Comicbook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.

[[WMG: One more day never happened. It's all in Peter's mind.]]

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I mean the great minds of the Marvel Universe, including Strange himself who is capable of using freaking magic that could do anything - can't treat a gunshot wound? Suddenly everyone is talking about how you have to let it go and all that. That was Peter trying to break free of this illusion like Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''Comicbook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.

[[WMG: One more day More Day never happened. It's all in Peter's mind.]]



Yes, sure, Spider-man loves MJ and his marriage is very slowly make him grow up from being a whiny nervious wreck.
Yes, Aunt May is the only direct living relative he has and she means a whole world to him,despite the fact that he saved MJ from the shot.
No. Think back to the argument: Whole Marvel Universe can't fix a bullet wound.
Yes sure, Aunt May is old, she's a frail woman with guts/will of steel, who lived through deaths of her close relatives, raised a boy with her husband who then died, learned that Spider-man is her nephew, got kidnapped, buried alive... etc. Sure.

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Yes, sure, Spider-man Spider-Man loves MJ and his marriage is very slowly make him grow up from being a whiny nervious wreck.
Yes, Aunt May is the only direct living relative he has and she means a whole world to him,despite him, despite the fact that he saved MJ from the shot.
No. Think back to the argument: Whole The whole Marvel Universe can't fix a bullet wound.
Yes sure, Aunt May is old, she's a frail woman with guts/will of steel, who lived through deaths of her close relatives, raised a boy with her husband who then died, learned that Spider-man Spider-Man is her nephew, got kidnapped, buried alive... etc. Sure.



So why didn't they? Because Spider-man never actually asked them. We saw him storm Doctor Strange's house and ask him for help, to reach out to all his allies and enemies. But in reality - he didn't.

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So why didn't they? Because Spider-man Spider-Man never actually asked them. We saw him storm Doctor Strange's house and ask him for help, to reach out to all his allies and enemies. But in reality - he didn't.



So that means, it's not that MU was useless, it was that Spider-man was afraid that they were and never questioned what he was seeing. Because he was MADE to think that.
But why? Because Mephisto, needed even a weak excuse to invoke his "Deal with a devil", to do something else.

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So that means, it's not that the MU was useless, it was that Spider-man Spider-Man was afraid that they were and never questioned what he was seeing. Because he was MADE to think that.
But why? Because Mephisto, even Mephisto needed even a weak excuse to invoke his "Deal with a devil", to do something else.



But wait - notice how many things looks stupid. A fat guy knocked Spider-man out? Reed Richards, doesn't question Spider-man on his own involvment in Massive Mind Erasure? Green Goblin, who spent about 40% of his waking life to screw with Peter over and over, going as far as [[spoiler:seducing Gwen Stacy and make her bear two kids from him]], a man who has back ups of back ups, despite his insanity, doesn't remember him? Doc Ock suddenly figuring out a way to highjack someone's mind? MJ, despite her tolerance, love, her development of the years - doesn't do anything?

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But wait - notice how many things looks look stupid. A fat guy knocked Spider-man Spider-Man out? Reed Richards, doesn't question Spider-man Spider-Man on his own involvment in Massive Mind Erasure? Green Goblin, who spent about 40% of his waking life to screw with Peter over and over, going as far as [[spoiler:seducing Gwen Stacy and make her bear two kids from him]], a man who has back ups of back ups, despite his insanity, doesn't remember him? Doc Ock suddenly figuring out a way to highjack someone's mind? MJ, despite her tolerance, love, her development of the years - doesn't do anything?



He didn't care that Spider-man will meet MJ and actually recongize something is wrong (which he didn't), he didn't care MJ remembers the truth. He just needed a trip back in time to shift the world ever so slightly and help HIS goal.

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He didn't care that Spider-man Spider-Man will meet MJ and actually recongize something is wrong (which he didn't), he didn't care that MJ remembers the truth. He just needed a trip back in time to shift the world ever so slightly and help HIS goal.
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* [[https://comicsverse.com/spiderman-and-mj/ More or Less Confirmed in Amazing Spider-Man vol. 5 #1!]]
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It couldn't be any simpler: first, fire a bullet aimed at a certain time in the past of Earth-616 to take out the Mephigeon [[CaptainObvious (without the bullet alone being able to kill him, duh)]] and then, another to kill friggin' '''''Nitro.''''' Lots of trouble, retconned in a page and a half. Hell yeah!

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It couldn't be any simpler: first, fire a bullet aimed at a certain time in the past of Earth-616 to take out the Mephigeon [[CaptainObvious (without the bullet alone being able to kill him, duh)]] duh) and then, another to kill friggin' '''''Nitro.''''' Lots of trouble, retconned in a page and a half. Hell yeah!
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too!

[[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin Except it didn't]], and instead Venom decided to just throw it online years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival. Venom had kept a horrible fanfiction all to himself until now, blindsiding Spider-Man and successfully, truly ''ruining'' the wall-crawler! And best of all? ''No one knew that he did it.'' Thus in a way, Venom ''succeeded'' in convincing the public of his warped vision; that Spider-Man is a sinner, and Venom is not.

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post publish the fanfiction online, as a comic book, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too!

too! It would be the be-all end-all for symbiotic entertainment!

[[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin Except it didn't]], the invasion didn't happen]], and instead Venom decided to just throw it online on the store shelves years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival. Venom had kept a horrible fanfiction all to himself until now, blindsiding Spider-Man and successfully, truly ''ruining'' the wall-crawler! And best of all? ''No one knew that he did it.'' Thus in a way, Venom ''succeeded'' in convincing the public of his warped vision; that Spider-Man is a sinner, and Venom is not.
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story. He would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too!

[[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin Except it didn't]], and instead Venom decided to just throw it online years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival. Venom had kept a horrible fanfiction all to himself until now, blindsiding Spider-Man and successfully, truly ''ruining'' the wall-crawler!

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given Venom inspiration for the story. story - and thus he tacked on the whole marriage thing. He couldn't have chosen himself to be the BigBad as that would've been too obvious, so he threw in the next big thing and used Mephisto as a more reasonable choice. Venom would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too!

[[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin Except it didn't]], and instead Venom decided to just throw it online years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival. Venom had kept a horrible fanfiction all to himself until now, blindsiding Spider-Man and successfully, truly ''ruining'' the wall-crawler!
wall-crawler! And best of all? ''No one knew that he did it.'' Thus in a way, Venom ''succeeded'' in convincing the public of his warped vision; that Spider-Man is a sinner, and Venom is not.
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], his rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given him inspiration for the story. He would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it.''

Except it didn't, and instead he decided to just throw it online years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival.

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], his Venom's rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given him Venom inspiration for the story. He would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it.''

it'' given their lack of real personality - and really, lack of any taste too!

[[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin
Except it didn't, didn't]], and instead he Venom decided to just throw it online years later just to make it even much more of a StealthInsult to his rival.
rival. Venom had kept a horrible fanfiction all to himself until now, blindsiding Spider-Man and successfully, truly ''ruining'' the wall-crawler!
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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], his rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[Cloudcuckoolander ...except it wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given him inspiration for the story. He would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it.''

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Specifically, within the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan 2000 video game.]] While Venom was [[MemeticMutation "surfing the web"]] on the Bugle's database, he had managed to cook up a horrifically, intentionally bad fanfiction as a sneak jab against Spidey to prove that [[EnemyMine even if they're working together to clear his name and defeat the masterminds behind a symbiote invasion]], his rivalry toward Spidey is still proof that he can turn right around in terms of the former and screw over Spidey personally anyway! And given that he had just kidnapped Mary Jane to PayEvilUntoEvil after seeing "Spider-Man" do a major heist at their local science expo ([[Cloudcuckoolander ...([[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} ...except it very clearly wasn't the actual Spider-Man at all]]), that incident could have easily given him inspiration for the story. He would have even made a bet with himself; if the symbiote invasion did happen, he'd post the fanfiction online, and ''every symbiote in the city would love it.''

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