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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivalentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar all the more quick. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]

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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivalentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar all the more quick. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]
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[[WMG: The Fairy Godmother was [[spoiler: Alicia's Soul Mate.]]]]
By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up her space in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.

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[[WMG: The Fairy Godmother was [[spoiler: Alicia's Soul Mate.]]]]
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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] Soul-Mate(s) to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]].Alicia). However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up her space in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] left as a spirit being like the Conductor.



** Super {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Oliver got "rebirthed" via the Fairy Godmother too.]]

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** Super {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Oliver got "rebirthed" via the Fairy Godmother too.]]



* The voice is distinct and has a noticeable British accent (one that is common in the other world, mind, of course), but it's also a nice thought thematically, because [[spoiler:[[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments his mother really is watching over her son in death.]]]]

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* The voice is distinct and has a noticeable British accent (one that is common in the other world, mind, of course), but it's also a nice thought thematically, because [[spoiler:[[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments his mother really is watching over her son in death.]]]]
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* Marcassin is [[InexplicablyIdenticalIndividuals already identical]] to Howl and there are [[{{Expy}} many similarities between the two]], like how both are powerful mages and seem very vain and [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] at first glance. Well if you combine the Ghibli film's character design for Howl and remember that the book mentions that [[spoiler: Howl originally came from our world]] and if we assume that the town Oliver comes from is supposed to be our world the only problem would be the time period differences.

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* Marcassin is [[InexplicablyIdenticalIndividuals already identical]] to Howl and there are [[{{Expy}} many similarities between the two]], like how both are powerful mages and seem very vain and [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] at first glance. Well if you combine the Ghibli film's character design for Howl and remember that the book mentions that [[spoiler: Howl originally came from our world]] world and if we assume that the town Oliver comes from is supposed to be our world the only problem would be the time period differences.



* Shizaku/Drippy is some omnipotent being who set the whole thing up in order to teach Oliver a(n [[HardTruthAesop unfair]]) moral lesson: [[spoiler: that his mother is gone, and needs to accept it]]. However, as many people can tell you, [[spoiler: "gone/dead" and "accept"]] are subjective terms. In fact:

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* Shizaku/Drippy is some omnipotent being who set the whole thing up in order to teach Oliver a(n [[HardTruthAesop unfair]]) moral lesson: [[spoiler: that his mother is gone, and he needs to accept it]]. it. However, as many people can tell you, [[spoiler: "gone/dead" and "accept"]] "accept" are subjective terms. In fact:



* At the end of the game, [[spoiler:the Zodiarch Council is revealed to be DeadAllAlong, and the council that we've seen (well, 11 out of 12) are just hardlight illusions made by The White Witch to stave off her isolation]]. Yet somehow they manage to come back to life as hideous monstrosities that seek to kill Oliver, The White Witch, and take over Ni No Kuni. The White Witch theorizes that her magic has spun out of control and created them against her will, but what if they were always something more? [[spoiler:There's more than two worlds, and harvesting the resources of this lush, magic-saturated, war-free world would be more than enough reason to open up an expensive portal between two entirely alien worlds and masquerade as an insane demon queen's illusion puppets, harvesting resources while hidden away by her madness]]. Not to mention, the Miasma cataclysm would be a good catalyst for a portal.

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* At the end of the game, [[spoiler:the the Zodiarch Council is revealed to be DeadAllAlong, and the council that we've seen (well, 11 out of 12) are just hardlight illusions made by The White Witch to stave off her isolation]].isolation. Yet somehow they manage to come back to life as hideous monstrosities that seek to kill Oliver, The White Witch, and take over Ni No Kuni. The White Witch theorizes that her magic has spun out of control and created them against her will, but what if they were always something more? [[spoiler:There's There's more than two worlds, and harvesting the resources of this lush, magic-saturated, war-free world would be more than enough reason to open up an expensive portal between two entirely alien worlds and masquerade as an insane demon queen's illusion puppets, harvesting resources while hidden away by her madness]].madness. Not to mention, the Miasma cataclysm would be a good catalyst for a portal.
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* I might be hallucinating things but didn't Shadar say something about destroying Alicia's soul mate some time before she confronted him? Maybe this is why she fled there.
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* Shizaku/Drippy is some omnipotent being who set the whole thing up in order to teach Oliver a(n [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop unfair]]) moral lesson: [[spoiler: that his mother is gone, and needs to accept it]]. However, as many people can tell you, [[spoiler: "gone/dead" and "accept"]] are subjective terms. In fact:

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* Shizaku/Drippy is some omnipotent being who set the whole thing up in order to teach Oliver a(n [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop [[HardTruthAesop unfair]]) moral lesson: [[spoiler: that his mother is gone, and needs to accept it]]. However, as many people can tell you, [[spoiler: "gone/dead" and "accept"]] are subjective terms. In fact:
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* The voice is distinct and has a noticeable British accent (one that is common in the other world, mind, of course), but it's also a nice thought thematically, because [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming his mother really is watching over her son in death.]]]]

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* The voice is distinct and has a noticeable British accent (one that is common in the other world, mind, of course), but it's also a nice thought thematically, because [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[spoiler:[[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments his mother really is watching over her son in death.]]]]

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[[WMG: The entire game is a metaphor for the "FiveStagesOfGrief" theory.[[note]]Which some people don't agree with.[[/note]]]]

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[[WMG: The entire game is a metaphor for the "FiveStagesOfGrief" theory.[[note]]Which some people don't agree with.[[/note]]]][[/note]]]]

[[WMG: The Zodiarch Council are from a ''third'' world.]]
* At the end of the game, [[spoiler:the Zodiarch Council is revealed to be DeadAllAlong, and the council that we've seen (well, 11 out of 12) are just hardlight illusions made by The White Witch to stave off her isolation]]. Yet somehow they manage to come back to life as hideous monstrosities that seek to kill Oliver, The White Witch, and take over Ni No Kuni. The White Witch theorizes that her magic has spun out of control and created them against her will, but what if they were always something more? [[spoiler:There's more than two worlds, and harvesting the resources of this lush, magic-saturated, war-free world would be more than enough reason to open up an expensive portal between two entirely alien worlds and masquerade as an insane demon queen's illusion puppets, harvesting resources while hidden away by her madness]]. Not to mention, the Miasma cataclysm would be a good catalyst for a portal.
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* Marcassin is [[InexplicablyIdenticalIndividuals already identical]] to Howl and there are [[{{Expy}} many similarities between the two]], like how both are powerful mages and seem very vain and [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] at first glance. Well if you combine the Ghibli film's character design for Howl and remember that the book mentions that [[spoiler: Howl originally came from our world]] and if we assume that the town Oliver comes from is supposed to be our world the only problem would be the time period differences.

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* Marcassin is [[InexplicablyIdenticalIndividuals already identical]] to Howl and there are [[{{Expy}} many similarities between the two]], like how both are powerful mages and seem very vain and [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] at first glance. Well if you combine the Ghibli film's character design for Howl and remember that the book mentions that [[spoiler: Howl originally came from our world]] and if we assume that the town Oliver comes from is supposed to be our world the only problem would be the time period differences.differences.
[[WMG: The whole thing was staged for Oliver's "benefit".[[note]]Or lack thereof, hence the quotes.[[/note]]]]
* Shizaku/Drippy is some omnipotent being who set the whole thing up in order to teach Oliver a(n [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop unfair]]) moral lesson: [[spoiler: that his mother is gone, and needs to accept it]]. However, as many people can tell you, [[spoiler: "gone/dead" and "accept"]] are subjective terms. In fact:
[[WMG: The entire game is a metaphor for the "FiveStagesOfGrief" theory.[[note]]Which some people don't agree with.[[/note]]]]
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[[WMG: [[Main/HowlsMovingCastle Howl]] is Marcassin's Soul Mate.]]

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[[WMG: [[Main/HowlsMovingCastle [[Literature/HowlsMovingCastle Howl]] is Marcassin's Soul Mate.]]
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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the her space in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.

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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the her space in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.
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[[WMG: The Setting (both worlds) was created at the end of {{Mother 3}}.]]

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[[WMG: The Setting (both worlds) was created at the end of {{Mother VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}.]]
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[[WMG: [[Main/HowlsMovingCastle Howl]] is Marcassin's Soul Mate.]]
* Marcassin is [[InexplicablyIdenticalIndividuals already identical]] to Howl and there are [[{{Expy}} many similarities between the two]], like how both are powerful mages and seem very vain and [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] at first glance. Well if you combine the Ghibli film's character design for Howl and remember that the book mentions that [[spoiler: Howl originally came from our world]] and if we assume that the town Oliver comes from is supposed to be our world the only problem would be the time period differences.
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[[WMG: The woman who yells, "Nice!", "Now's your chance!", and "Supercharged!" in battles is Oliver's mother.]]

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[[WMG: The woman voice who yells, "Nice!", "Now's your chance!", and "Supercharged!" in battles is Oliver's mother.mother's voice.]]
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[[WMG: The woman who yells, "Nice!", "Now's your chance!", and "Supercharged!" in battles is Oliver's mother.]]
* The voice is distinct and has a noticeable British accent (one that is common in the other world, mind, of course), but it's also a nice thought thematically, because [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming his mother really is watching over her son in death.]]]]
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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivalentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]

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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivalentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar.Shadar all the more quick. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]
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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the "space" in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.

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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the "space" her space in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.
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[[WMG: The Fairy Godmother is [[spoiler: Alicia's Soul Mate.]]]]

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[[WMG: The Fairy Godmother is was [[spoiler: Alicia's Soul Mate.]]]]
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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, has shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the "space" in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.

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By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, has as shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the "space" in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.
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[[WMG: The Fairy Godmother is [[spoiler: Alicia's Soul Mate.]]]]
By permanently [[spoiler: [[TimeTravel going back in time]] and not returning, Alicia condemned her Soul-Mate(s)]] to the same limbo that Shadar committed his; [[spoiler: (except the one saved by Alicia)]]. However, has shown by the Conductor; "lost" Soul-Mates can get out of limbo; but they aren't quite human anymore. [[spoiler: Because this Alicia was taking up the "space" in Oliver's world; Alicia's soul-mate instead manifested in the world without an Alicia; the Other world that Alicia had left]] as a spirit being like the Conductor.
* This is why the Fairies don't have Soul-Mates like everyone else; they're created from an Orphaned Soul.
** Super {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Oliver got "rebirthed" via the Fairy Godmother too.]]
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[[WMG: Oliver will not cast Ashes of Resurrection because he knows the price and won't pay it.]]

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[[WMG: Oliver will not cast Ashes of Resurrection on his mother because he knows the price and won't pay it.]]
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[[WMG: The Setting (both worlds) was created at the end of {{Videogames/Mother 3}}.]]

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[[WMG: The Setting (both worlds) was created at the end of {{Videogames/Mother {{Mother 3}}.]]
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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivilentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]

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The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivilentExchange EquivalentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]
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[[WMG: Lucien cast [[OnlyMostlyDead Ashes of Resurrection]] on the Sage's Daughter.]]
The Kingdom of Halcyon did eventually find her; and killed her. Seeing her as his sole light; he learned the forbidden spell and resolved to cast it, no matter the cost. As revealed by the story "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears" in the Wizard's Companion; the EquivilentExchange is [[spoiler: forgetting that the resurrected person exists; so Lucien erased his MoralityChain from his mind. This made his despair even greater as he can't remember anything good coming from his disobeying Halcyon; making his becoming Shadar. Naturally, when he died, the memory erase no longer applied.]]

[[WMG: Oliver will not cast Ashes of Resurrection because he knows the price and won't pay it.]]
He ''has'' the Wizard's Companion, after all, and has read all the stories; including "The Bear-Man and the Princess's Tears." You have to be utterly committed to be able to cast the spell; and that's too high a cost.
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[[WMG: The great sage Alicia is the white witch.]]
Shadar never defeated her. Instead, he converted to her side. She was evil all along. Oliver's mother and the white witch have blue eyes.
[[WMG: Shadar will HeelFaceTurn]]
He's not the BigBad.
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* The Dragon became the Guardians of the Worlds.

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* The Dragon became the Guardians of the Worlds.Worlds.
[[WMG: The great sage Alicia is the white witch.]]
Shadar never defeated her. Instead, he converted to her side. She was evil all along. Oliver's mother and the white witch have blue eyes.
[[WMG: Shadar will HeelFaceTurn]]
He's not the BigBad.
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Because two different agencies were trying to free the Dragon and imprint upon it; while Good triumphed, this still lead to two worlds being created. Both worlds turned out Bright (Ghibli Earth is friendlier than our Earth), but as always, Free Will leads to exceptions.

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Because two different agencies were trying to free the Dragon and imprint upon it; while Good triumphed, this still lead to two worlds being created. Both worlds turned out Bright (Ghibli Earth is friendlier than our Earth), Earth, but due to Emptiness from the Masked Man, it has no magic), but as always, Free Will leads to exceptions.
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[[WMG: The Setting (both worlds) was created at the end of [[{{Videogames/Mother 3}}.]]

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Because two different agencies were trying to free the Dragon and imprint upon it; while Good triumphed, this still lead to two worlds being created. Both worlds turned out Bright (Ghibli Earth is friendlier than our Earth), but as always, Free Will leads to exceptions.
* The Dragon became the Guardians of the Worlds.

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