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*They also seem to have the same voice actor. Plus, his father's current design seems to show some similarites to Hawk Moth's earlier design in the 2d Ladybug PV. Being both men in white
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* Jossed. He doesn't so much better than the rest.
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* Jossed. He doesn't so do much better than the rest.
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[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited love]] is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
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* Jossed. He doesn't so much better than the rest.
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[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited love]] is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
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[[folder:Post-release theories]]
[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited love]] is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
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Seriously, they might as well have a big sign over them saying "[[Main/ForgoneConclusion FORGONE CONCLUSION]]".
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Seriously, they might as well have a big sign over them saying "[[Main/ForgoneConclusion FORGONE "[[Main/ForegoneConclusion FOREGONE CONCLUSION]]".
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Seriously, they might as well have a big sign over them saying "SHIP US".
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Seriously, they might as well have a big sign over them saying "SHIP US"."[[Main/ForgoneConclusion FORGONE CONCLUSION]]".
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[[WMG: Adrien and Marinette will learn of each other's identities and get together.]]
Seriously, they might as well have a big sign over them saying "SHIP US".
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** Yes and no. Le Papillon in French while in English and Korean dubs he is called Hawk Moth.
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According to the opening, there are at least five other kwamis besides Plagg and TIkki. If the pink-purple one is indeed Hawk Moth's, then his unmasking and defeat will set up for one of the another four kwamis' users take his place as BigBad.
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According to the opening, there are at least five other kwamis besides Plagg and TIkki.Tikki. If the pink-purple one is indeed Hawk Moth's, then his unmasking and defeat will set up for one of the another four kwamis' users take his place as BigBad.
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[[WMG:Hawk Moth will be an ArcVillain]]
According to the opening, there are at least five other kwamis besides Plagg and TIkki. If the pink-purple one is indeed Hawk Moth's, then his unmasking and defeat will set up for one of the another four kwamis' users take his place as BigBad.
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Since a whole bunch of episodes have come up since then, I thought I\'d clarify after which episode this WMG was created. At this point, it\'s treated like an Untwist in the fandom.
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It seems apparent at this point, considering their very similar body shape (especially the same large eyes).
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It seems apparent at this point, point (ep. 2), considering their very similar body shape (especially the same large eyes).
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[[WMG: In a bit of irony, Chloe will ''not'' be Akuma-ized.]]
With a character like her, wouldn't it have happened by now if it were true?
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** Sorry for the natter and not OT but do you have the original source and more fanart related to this?
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* [[http://36.media.tumblr.com/bbe2807fd492336bfaa462098c80c137/tumblr_nwh4shck971tswqi6o1_1280.jpg You are not the only one who feels this way.]]
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[[WMG: ''Chat Blanc'' will be Chat Noire akuma personality.]]
Expanding to the WMG above. This is a popular theory that's been circulating around fanon, already generated fanart. This troper didn't come up with it but added it for archive purposes.
It's also often coupled with the WMG below.
Expanding to the WMG above. This is a popular theory that's been circulating around fanon, already generated fanart. This troper didn't come up with it but added it for archive purposes.
It's also often coupled with the WMG below.
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New info based on a tweet today by Thomas Astruc.
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** Apparently half jossed. Thomas Astruc calls the PV Chat Noir Felix, and the series Chat Noir Adrien. [[https://twitter.com/Thomas_Astruc/status/646657309360455680 He seems to consider them different characters.]]
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[[WMG: Hawk Moth is Adrien's father.]]
It seems apparent at this point, considering their very similar body shape (especially the same large eyes).
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[[WMG: Hawk Dove will use an Akuma on at least one of the protagonists.]]
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** His symbol is a Butterfly of Death and Rebirth. He's gone [[LoveMakesYouCrazy a little crazy after the death of his wife.]] He wants to steal Ladybug's earrings, and with their Good Luck powers and his own powers of Rebirth, he wants to resurrect his dead wife, and have both of them be 'reborn' together. (Bonus tragedy if he doesn't realize Ladybug is his own granddaughter.)
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** His symbol is a Butterfly of Death and Rebirth. He's gone [[LoveMakesYouCrazy a little crazy after the death of his wife.]] He wants to steal Ladybug's earrings, and with their Good Luck powers and his own powers of Rebirth, he wants to resurrect his dead wife, and have both of them be 'reborn' together. (Bonus tragedy if he doesn't realize Ladybug is his own granddaughter.)
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* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' jokes.
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* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' ''Manga/BusouRenkin'' jokes.
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She inherited her ladybug earrings from her grandmother, but her grandfather hasn't been mentioned yet...
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She inherited her ladybug earrings from her grandmother, but her grandfather hasn't been mentioned yet...yet...
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** Aaand [[Jossed]]. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
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** Aaand [[Jossed]].{{Jossed}}. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
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** Aaand Jossed. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
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** Aaand Jossed.[[Jossed]]. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
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** Aaand Jossed. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
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And we're totally going to make ''VentureBrothers'' jokes.
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And we're totally going to make ''VentureBrothers'' ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' jokes.
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Considering his seemingly-broken shadow powers, he may cause our heroine to need very urgent rescuing.
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Considering his seemingly-broken shadow powers, he may cause our heroine to need very urgent rescuing.rescuing.
[[WMG: The Butterfly villain is related to Ladybug.]]
Specifically, he's her grandfather.
She inherited her ladybug earrings from her grandmother, but her grandfather hasn't been mentioned yet...
[[WMG: The Butterfly villain is related to Ladybug.]]
Specifically, he's her grandfather.
She inherited her ladybug earrings from her grandmother, but her grandfather hasn't been mentioned yet...
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* Confirmed. The French language version of the show page gives his name as Felix.
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* Confirmed. The French language version of the show page gives his name as Felix.Felix.
[[WMG: The mime villain will defeat Ladybug badly at some point.]]
Considering his seemingly-broken shadow powers, he may cause our heroine to need very urgent rescuing.
[[WMG: The mime villain will defeat Ladybug badly at some point.]]
Considering his seemingly-broken shadow powers, he may cause our heroine to need very urgent rescuing.
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Because a) it's a common cat name and b) it's ironic, considering the meaning of the word.
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Because a) it's a common cat name and b) it's ironic, considering the meaning of the word.word.
* Confirmed. The French language version of the show page gives his name as Felix.
* Confirmed. The French language version of the show page gives his name as Felix.
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[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited]] love is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
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[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited]] love unrequited love]] is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
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* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' jokes.
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* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' jokes.jokes.
[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited]] love is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
[[WMG: Chat Noir's name is Felix.]]
Because a) it's a common cat name and b) it's ironic, considering the meaning of the word.
[[WMG: The cycle of [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited]] love is a result of Chat Noir's and Ladybug's bad/good luck powers.]]
Chat Noir is infatuated with Ladybug, but his bad luck makes it so that he can't recognise her without her costume, making her more inaccessible.
Marinette is infatuated with this blonde guy at school - but his bad luck makes it so that he doesn't recognise her out of costume and just considers her annoying. Her luck powers, however, compensate by making him infatuated with her in-costume - even if she's too besotted with the blonde guy at school to take notice.
Basically, it's a cycle...sort of.
[[WMG: Chat Noir's name is Felix.]]
Because a) it's a common cat name and b) it's ironic, considering the meaning of the word.
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And we're totally going to make ''VentureBrothers'' jokes.
* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' jokes.
* That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make ''BusoRenkin'' jokes.
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[[WMG: The Butterfly Villain is going to be named "The Monarch''.]]
And we're totally going to make ''VentureBrothers'' jokes.
And we're totally going to make ''VentureBrothers'' jokes.
