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** That's a common feature of the InfinityPlusOneSword or SwordOfPlotAdvancement
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NeverFoundTheBody. Or at least, no one went to Tolbi after hearing that Babi died.
[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").
[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").
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[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").died.
[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").
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NeverFoundTheBody. Or at least, no one went to Tolbi after hearing that Babi died.died.
[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").
[[WMG: Sveta and Volechek are the children of Master Maha of Garoh... which means they're connected to the previous heroes after all.]]
After the Golden Sun event caused people and creatures in many areas to become beastmen, Maha, who as noted in TLA was a beastman from his study of Psynergy, traveled to gather and unite the beastmen and established the nation of Morgal as a place where they could be free from the sort of persecution that had plagued Garoh.
* Volechek, as the elder of Maha's two children, inherited the duties of running a nation. He has a similar facial shape to Maha's, and is an Adept like Maha is.
* Sveta has the same coloration as Maha, green eyes and white hair with lilac tones, and [[BlowYouAway shares his element]] [[ShockAndAwe as an Adept]]. Her beast form looks even more like Maha. Also, she fights using minimal weapons and armor to augment her own natural attacks and defenses; one of Maha's theories on werewolves/beastmen was that gaining the traits of animals supplanted the need for weapons and armor that other humans had ("a human with no weapons or armor would be a very defenseless creature").
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*** Jupiter and Venus spawn. Alex is Mars-challenged.
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* This troper consistently misreads your WMG as saying ''Feizhi'''s daughter will be the hero... considering the way Golden Sun fandom works... hey, Camelot, let's see [[CrackPairing crack happen]] for the next game!
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* In the Japanese, Blados, Chalis, and Arcanus were Spade, Heart, and Ace. So they were card-based, but on a playing card deck instead of the Tarot. The next air will be Club/ Clover and Diamond in Japan, and then Coin/ Pentacle and Wand/ Staff in tthe US (though I can't remember how Club and Diamon match up to the Tarot suites...).
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* In the Japanese, Blados, Chalis, and Arcanus were Spade, Heart, and Ace. So they were card-based, but on a playing card deck instead of the Tarot. The next air will be Club/ Clover and Diamond in Japan, and then Coin/ Pentacle and Wand/ Staff in tthe US (though I can't remember how Club and Diamon Diamond match up to the Tarot suites...).
** Club = stick weapon = Staff and Diamond = shiny and valuable = Coin.
** Club = stick weapon = Staff and Diamond = shiny and valuable = Coin.
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* Alternatively, they're ALL WellIntentionedextremist.
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* Alternatively, they're ALL WellIntentionedextremist.
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** Entirely possible considering the plot twists of the first two games-- that everybody was trying to save the world, they just had different perspectives on how it was in danger.
** Entirely possible considering the plot twists of the first two games-- that everybody was trying to save the world, they just had different perspectives on how it was in danger.
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* This also explains Feizhi's [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair bright purple hair]], and why Hama was trying to teach her Psynergy-- she could sense Feizhi's potential, and was trying to bring it out.
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* This also explains Feizhi's [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair bright purple hair]], and why Hama was trying to teach her Psynergy-- she could sense Feizhi's potential, latent Adept qualities, and was trying to bring it them out.
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** No need for that with Lalivero, it's far south of the Eclipse. Imil is in the danger zone though, yes. Possibly the area round Mt Aleph too, that's roughly where the western edge of the eclipse should be.
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** No need for that with Lalivero, it's far south of the Eclipse. Imil is in the danger zone though, yes. Possibly the area round Mt Aleph too, that's roughly where the western edge of the eclipse should be.
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** Piers is sailing around in his ship, and was hanging around Tonfon and Champa in particular, and now has Rief's (formerly Crown's) little lovestruck sister in tow. So I think either the banishing finally stuck, or he just likes being out in the real world instead of boring old Lemuria. That and he's helping keep an eye on things withe other Warriors of Vale (and Imil and Kalay and Lalivero and Lemuria), particularly the Vortexes and the Mourning Moon.
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* Crown is Rief, son of Mia, brother of Nowell. Technically a relative of Alex, since his mother and him were cousins, apparently.
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* Karis is Ivan's daghter. No word on her mom. I think if she was another one of the Warriors of Vale it would have been mentioned but it's not.
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* There are eight. Intro level you have two plus guest starring Isaac and Garet. When you strat your quest you have three, then you meet everyone else one at a time.
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** I forget when it happens, but I belive it's when Kraden and Karis agree to not have Kraden tell everyone who Arcanus is under the mask, because they might wind up being close to someone in the group and make it difficult for them to fight against. During this conversation, Kraden is looking at Amiti.
*** On a smililar note, kudos for Karis for figuring out that Amiti is Arcanus' son, (possibly) before figuring out who he really is
*** On a smililar note, kudos for Karis for figuring out that Amiti is Arcanus' son, (possibly) before figuring out who he really is
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* Not only that, but the alternate reality it takes place spawned from pre-Enlightenment ideas of the solar system. You know, the theory of how alternate universes spring up when we imagine them?
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* In the Japanese, Blados, Chalis, and Arcanus were Spade, Heart, and Ace. So they were card-based, but on a playing card deck instead of the Tarot. The next air will be Club/ Clover and Diamond in Japan, and then Coin/ Pentacle and Wand/ Staff in tthe US (though I can't remember how Club and Diamon match up to the Tarot suites...).
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* Alternatively, they're ALL WellIntentionedextremist.
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* Perhaps it'll be a split the party moment? except instead of splitting your party, you're splitting your party plus the other PCs. For example, you's have Isaac, Garet, Ivan, and Mia in one squad, Felix, Jenna, Sheba, and Piers in another, then Matthew, Tyrell, Karis, and Rief, then Sveta, Himi, Eoleo, and Amiti in another.
** Possibly other squads including Takeru (Himi's brother), Nowell (Rief's sister), the other protagonists' kids, and/ or other awesome NPC's kids.
** Possibly other squads including Takeru (Himi's brother), Nowell (Rief's sister), the other protagonists' kids, and/ or other awesome NPC's kids.
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* Much like how Lost Age begun just a bit before the conclusion of Broken Seal (Golden Sun 1's subtitle), the next game will take place shortly after Nowell and Kraden were sperated from her brother and Matthew's group. It'll then follow them traveling to the places that Matthew and the gang would have passed through if not for broken bridge that prompted them to go all the way around. Eventually, Nowell will meet Piers and as suggested above, Himi's brother, Takeru. Their journey will then take them on a mission that might possibly coincide with some of the events in Dark Dawn in sublte ways, eventually culminating in the story catching up just as Matthew and friends return to Goma plateu and witness the return of the Mourning Moon. Whether Camelot will then have the story continue from there or make us wait 'til a fifth game, I can't say...
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* Much like how Lost Age begun just a bit before the conclusion of Broken Seal (Golden Sun 1's subtitle), the next game will take place shortly after Nowell and Kraden were sperated from her brother and Matthew's group. It'll then follow them traveling to the places that Matthew and the gang would have passed through if not for broken bridge that prompted them to go all the way around.around (Carver's camp). Eventually, Nowell will meet Piers and as suggested above, Himi's brother, Takeru. Their journey will then take them on a mission that might possibly coincide with some of the events in Dark Dawn in sublte ways, eventually culminating in the story catching up just as Matthew and friends return to Goma plateu and witness the return of the Mourning Moon. Whether Camelot will then have the story continue from there or make us wait 'til a fifth game, I can't say...
* Hm, I think I like the idea of Nowell being a PC, but I don't think they'd replay all those events, or at least have them go by quickly or something, so it doesn't end at the same spot cronologically.
* Hm, I think I like the idea of Nowell being a PC, but I don't think they'd replay all those events, or at least have them go by quickly or something, so it doesn't end at the same spot cronologically.
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** Pluto being the Greek god of the Underworld makes sense for Dark, Eris being the goddess of anger/enmity/all that fun jazz, less so... then again the series [[SadlyMythtaken is not above that]].
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* Darkness Adepts are of the Umbra clan, which is Latin, so my vote is that light Adepts will be known as the Lumin clan. And since they started messing with light and dark only after messing with the elements, they might not have planet names. The closest I think you'd get is Sol for light Psynergy and Luna for dark Psynergy, with their clans known as Lumin and Umbra.
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The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler:they [[spoiler: they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]
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At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eclipse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].
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At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star.Mars Star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eclipse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].
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They never said he was an only child. We only assume so because Matthew was the only one with his Father, but if Isaac and Jenna had more than one kid the other one(s) could be with Mom. If this is true, then she's probably a Fire adept.
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They never said he was an only child. We only assume so because Matthew was the only one with his Father, but if Isaac and Jenna had more than one kid the other one(s) could be with Mom. If this is true, then she's probably a Fire adept.Adept.
* If there's a sibling for anyone, they'd be pretty young to not be up at the cabin training with Isaac and Garet.
* If there's a sibling for anyone, they'd be pretty young to not be up at the cabin training with Isaac and Garet.
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* There is zero evidence that Isaac has any idea that he has a piece of the Golden Sun in him.
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* That or people can have dual element classes with a standard element plus light or dark. Ooooh, what if they have light/ dark Djinn?
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** Agreed. Considering the theme of balance in the series, it would make more sense for one to be light and the other dark. Plus they have the male/ female dichotomety going, plus the fact that the beastmen are already closely tied to the moon, which sees to be connected to darkness.
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* That... what? You mean he has that piece of the Mars Star/ Golden Sun in him in addition to aging slowly? Because I thought that wasbasically stated outright.
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* Nah, they're the standard main character only superweapon. I'm sure there's a Trop for that.
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part of an extended plan by the Wise One, who was holding them hostage and intended to use them as collateral in the event that the party wouldn't fight the Doom Dragon. When the party fought and won anyways, the Wise One decided he wouldn't need his backup plan anymore, and did...something.
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... part of an extended plan by the Wise One, who was holding them hostage and intended to use them as collateral in the event that the party wouldn't fight the Doom Dragon. When the party fought and won anyways, the Wise One decided he wouldn't need his backup plan anymore, and did...something.
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* Probably not. They were deemed unworthy by the Wise One, hence why they were turned into dragons and not allowed to light the beacon. Bringing the parents back was his reward to the heroes for being pure and firm in their resolve.
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** In that case, would that mean he has bastard children that are Jupiter and Mars Adepts floating around too? Preferably either in a position of power (like Amiti as a prince), responsibility (guarding something he needs), or where they can learn a valuable skill (special Psynergy, a trade like smithing, tactics, etc.)
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Though guesswork that may never be confirmed or denied, it seems likely that Sol Sanctum with its depictions of both Sol and Luna may have been an extremely subtle hint that there were more elements than just the classical Earth, Wind, Fire, & Water.
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Though guesswork that may never be confirmed or denied, it seems likely that Sol Sanctum with its depictions of both Sol and Luna may have been an extremely subtle hint that there were more elements than just the classical Earth, Wind, Fire, & Water.Water.
* True. I need to see Kraden's comments on the sun and moon rooms again, he was curious as hell about it and we never got any answers. I *think* he was curious as to why the moon was featured along with the sun in the Sol Sanctum.
[[WMG: One of the first missions Golden Sun 4 will involve going to the remains of the Sol Sanctum]]
And either re-exploring the sun and moon rooms mentioned above, and/ or discovering additional chambers related to light and darkness psynergy. This could possibly be used to show off Matthew's newly acquired Light Psynergy, if he got some as speculated above.
* The ENTIRE POINT of heading out on this quest was to fix the soarwing Tyrell broke so your family could study the remains of Sol Sanctum and Mount Aleph. So once you deal with TheStinger, it's time to go Indy all over that mountain. Heck, you might need to do so in order to deal with TheStinger at all.
[[WMG: Kraden is now a Light or Dark Adept]]
And may have been one for a while. Keeping hush on Arcanus makes me think of him as a bit of a MagnificentBastard, even if it wasn't that big a deal. He has the potential, I think. Remember how he got a couple of kids to break into a sacred, forbidden shrine?
[[WMG: Babi isn't dead]]
NeverFoundTheBody. Or at least, no one went to Tolbi after hearing that Babi died.
* True. I need to see Kraden's comments on the sun and moon rooms again, he was curious as hell about it and we never got any answers. I *think* he was curious as to why the moon was featured along with the sun in the Sol Sanctum.
[[WMG: One of the first missions Golden Sun 4 will involve going to the remains of the Sol Sanctum]]
And either re-exploring the sun and moon rooms mentioned above, and/ or discovering additional chambers related to light and darkness psynergy. This could possibly be used to show off Matthew's newly acquired Light Psynergy, if he got some as speculated above.
* The ENTIRE POINT of heading out on this quest was to fix the soarwing Tyrell broke so your family could study the remains of Sol Sanctum and Mount Aleph. So once you deal with TheStinger, it's time to go Indy all over that mountain. Heck, you might need to do so in order to deal with TheStinger at all.
[[WMG: Kraden is now a Light or Dark Adept]]
And may have been one for a while. Keeping hush on Arcanus makes me think of him as a bit of a MagnificentBastard, even if it wasn't that big a deal. He has the potential, I think. Remember how he got a couple of kids to break into a sacred, forbidden shrine?
[[WMG: Babi isn't dead]]
NeverFoundTheBody. Or at least, no one went to Tolbi after hearing that Babi died.
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*** Similarly, Ivan and Sheba are probably not an item either. It is repeatedly mentioned that Karis' dad had Mind Read and that Karis doesn't, and she also talks about his frustration with it. They never make mention of her mom having it, and I think they would have, hence her mom is not Sheba.
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[[WMG: Darkness and Light Psyenergies were planned for as early as the first game]]
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** Go ahead. Besides, this page is for everyone's guessing.
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** Go ahead. Besides, this page is for everyone's guessing.guessing.
[[WMG: Darkness and Light Psyenergies were planned for as early as the first game]]
Though guesswork that may never be confirmed or denied, it seems likely that Sol Sanctum with its depictions of both Sol and Luna may have been an extremely subtle hint that there were more elements than just the classical Earth, Wind, Fire, & Water.
[[WMG: Darkness and Light Psyenergies were planned for as early as the first game]]
Though guesswork that may never be confirmed or denied, it seems likely that Sol Sanctum with its depictions of both Sol and Luna may have been an extremely subtle hint that there were more elements than just the classical Earth, Wind, Fire, & Water.
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* Canon or not, do you mind if I steal that for my fic?
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* Canon or not, do you mind if I steal that for my fic?fic?
** Go ahead. Besides, this page is for everyone's guessing.
** Go ahead. Besides, this page is for everyone's guessing.
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** I am certain that someone as smart as Alex realizes that Amiti is his son (Amiti's mother, age, power, hair color, and even appearance fit according to some NPC). Even if he didn't know that he had a son, by the time Dark Dawn ends, he should have realized it. Even Kraden notices the connection. The question is whether Alex made Amiti on purpose, whether he cares about the kid, and whether he has more plans for the kid.
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** And the Wise One [[spoiler: is an artificial intelligence that was trying to compromise its own directives with the new knowledge provided by the heroes.]]
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* Possibly alluded to in the very beginning of Dark Dawn, when Tyrell mentions the older Adepts must have wanted the Soarwing to retrace the steps of their own journey.
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We've already established that Alex is Amiti's father, and it's also known that Alex has most of the Golden Sun absorbed. It's possible that Amiti got the power of the Mercury star and it's residing in his body so that it won't fall into the wrong hands. Though alternatively (and more likely), Alex was storing it in Amiti to save it for later and when he wants the power back, he'll try to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his own kid]], possibly using the LukeIAmYourFather revelation to stun him. And if this were true, it's likely Alex would have fathered other children to act as human vessels for the Jupiter and Venus stars.
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We've already established that Alex is Amiti's father, and it's also known that Alex has most of the Golden Sun absorbed. It's possible that Amiti got the power of the Mercury star and it's residing in his body so that it won't fall into the wrong hands. Though alternatively (and more likely), Alex was storing it in Amiti to save it for later and when he wants the power back, he'll try to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his own kid]], possibly using the LukeIAmYourFather revelation to stun him. And if this were true, it's likely Alex would have fathered other children to act as human vessels for the Jupiter and Venus stars.stars.
* Canon or not, do you mind if I steal that for my fic?
* Canon or not, do you mind if I steal that for my fic?
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...and basically be a Fire [[{{Expy}} version]] of Sveta. Complete with the ability to [[ShapeShifting shapeshift]] into a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]].
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...and basically be a Fire [[{{Expy}} version]] of Sveta. Complete with the ability to [[ShapeShifting shapeshift]] into a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]].Dragon]].
[[WMG: Amiti was born to [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan hold the power of the Mercury star]].]]
We've already established that Alex is Amiti's father, and it's also known that Alex has most of the Golden Sun absorbed. It's possible that Amiti got the power of the Mercury star and it's residing in his body so that it won't fall into the wrong hands. Though alternatively (and more likely), Alex was storing it in Amiti to save it for later and when he wants the power back, he'll try to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his own kid]], possibly using the LukeIAmYourFather revelation to stun him. And if this were true, it's likely Alex would have fathered other children to act as human vessels for the Jupiter and Venus stars.
[[WMG: Amiti was born to [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan hold the power of the Mercury star]].]]
We've already established that Alex is Amiti's father, and it's also known that Alex has most of the Golden Sun absorbed. It's possible that Amiti got the power of the Mercury star and it's residing in his body so that it won't fall into the wrong hands. Though alternatively (and more likely), Alex was storing it in Amiti to save it for later and when he wants the power back, he'll try to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his own kid]], possibly using the LukeIAmYourFather revelation to stun him. And if this were true, it's likely Alex would have fathered other children to act as human vessels for the Jupiter and Venus stars.
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** Well, doesn't mean that Ivan didn't marry an Imilian. I'd bank on Mia's [[OneShotCharacter female apprentice Megan]]. Not sure I'd go for fellow apprentice Justin as Rief's father, though. Not too keen on mating Mia with HotForStudent.
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*I have to wonder how that works... true, Matthew's ''[[OurSoulsAreDifferent spirit]]'' was in Sveta in the endgame, but not his body. (ThatCameOutWrong) It is plausible that psynergy is transmitted by spirit as opposed to body, but we can't be sure until they return.[[hottip:*:Which, I think will come sooner for Matthew but ''much'' later for Sveta, see below]] Also, there is the [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement Umbra Gear]] to consider: [[CastingAShadow creating a shield of darkness]] as protection from radiation. Plus, there is little doubt that [[ManipulativeBastard Alex]] may have powers that require ''somebody'' to invoke DarkIsNotEvil[[hottip:*:as Alex would invoke LightIsNotGood]]. So, Matt likely would be Venus/Sol, but I'd expect Sveta to be Jupiter/Luna.
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*[[GoldenSunDarkDawn His son]] says [[SymbolSwearing "Amen"]] to that.
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The reincarnations of Saturos and Menardi, respectively, as Tuaparang. However, they retained their memories of their past lives (save Alex, because he would have had something in place to make sure they forgot about [[strike:his true]] [[ManipulativeBastard the front he projected to be his true nature]]), and realized that the Tuaparang were utter dicks compared to the Proxians, and decided to do the world a favor, repent, and wipe those bastards off the map.
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The reincarnations of Saturos and Menardi, respectively, as Tuaparang. However, they retained their memories of their past lives (save Alex, because he would have had something in place to make sure they forgot about [[strike:his true]] [[ManipulativeBastard the front he projected to be his true nature]]), and realized that the Tuaparang were utter dicks compared to the Proxians, and decided to do the world a favor, repent, and wipe those bastards off the map.map.
[[WMG: The [[GoldenSunDarkDawn Descendents]] will join the main group in the fourth game...]]
...but not the Regents. Sveta and Eoleo have to rebuild their respective nations and Amiti's uncle may still be on death's door. Only Himi would be available to travel, and most speculation is that her brother Takeru would be part of Game 4's main party. Never fear, though; there will come a time later on when all of Gen II [[GondorCallsForAid will combine]] for the FinalBattle against the Tuparang/Alex. (But not before a Fire and a Water adept also become dual-types per a previous WMG, should Matt & Sveta also be dual-typed.)
[[WMG: A Proxian will be part of the team in the 4th game...]]
...and basically be a Fire [[{{Expy}} version]] of Sveta. Complete with the ability to [[ShapeShifting shapeshift]] into a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]].
[[WMG: The [[GoldenSunDarkDawn Descendents]] will join the main group in the fourth game...]]
...but not the Regents. Sveta and Eoleo have to rebuild their respective nations and Amiti's uncle may still be on death's door. Only Himi would be available to travel, and most speculation is that her brother Takeru would be part of Game 4's main party. Never fear, though; there will come a time later on when all of Gen II [[GondorCallsForAid will combine]] for the FinalBattle against the Tuparang/Alex. (But not before a Fire and a Water adept also become dual-types per a previous WMG, should Matt & Sveta also be dual-typed.)
[[WMG: A Proxian will be part of the team in the 4th game...]]
...and basically be a Fire [[{{Expy}} version]] of Sveta. Complete with the ability to [[ShapeShifting shapeshift]] into a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]].
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* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father because inherited her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained.
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* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father because inherited her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained. The game's plot will heavily involve keeping the enemies from getting their hands on her.
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* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father by inheriting her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained.
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* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father by inheriting because inherited her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained.
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* And that sister will turn out to have inherited the portion of the Mars Star that was given to her father by inheriting her mother's element. That's why Isaac and Jenna aren't shown together. Their daughter needs to be kept out of plain sight so [[HiddenAgendaVillain certain people]] don't go after her. Jenna is also making sure her daughter's enhanced Mars psynergy is properly trained.
* As for the next game's initial party, it seems more likely that the initial Mercury adept will be a child of Piers and a warrior to boot. Nowell will be the party's second Mercury adept like Amiti.
* As for the next game's initial party, it seems more likely that the initial Mercury adept will be a child of Piers and a warrior to boot. Nowell will be the party's second Mercury adept like Amiti.
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[[WMG: Isaac's rough, impetuous attitude in TLA is a result of not being able to talf for the past game]]
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed, too.
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed, too.
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[[WMG: Isaac's rough, impetuous attitude in TLA is a result of not being able to talf talk for the past game]]
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed,too.too.
[[WMG: The Gaia and Sol Blades are part of a set...]]
if their ''Dark Dawn'' design is any indication. One can expect equally-broken versions in other elements to show up in future games.
[[WMG: Karst and Agatio's disappearance prior to the penultimate battle at the Mars Lighthouse was...]]
part of an extended plan by the Wise One, who was holding them hostage and intended to use them as collateral in the event that the party wouldn't fight the Doom Dragon. When the party fought and won anyways, the Wise One decided he wouldn't need his backup plan anymore, and did...something.
[[WMG: Karst and Agatio were revived by the Mars Lighthouse...]]
...just like the parents were.
[[WMG: Blados and Chalis are...]]
The reincarnations of Saturos and Menardi, respectively, as Tuaparang. However, they retained their memories of their past lives (save Alex, because he would have had something in place to make sure they forgot about [[strike:his true]] [[ManipulativeBastard the front he projected to be his true nature]]), and realized that the Tuaparang were utter dicks compared to the Proxians, and decided to do the world a favor, repent, and wipe those bastards off the map.
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed,
[[WMG: The Gaia and Sol Blades are part of a set...]]
if their ''Dark Dawn'' design is any indication. One can expect equally-broken versions in other elements to show up in future games.
[[WMG: Karst and Agatio's disappearance prior to the penultimate battle at the Mars Lighthouse was...]]
part of an extended plan by the Wise One, who was holding them hostage and intended to use them as collateral in the event that the party wouldn't fight the Doom Dragon. When the party fought and won anyways, the Wise One decided he wouldn't need his backup plan anymore, and did...something.
[[WMG: Karst and Agatio were revived by the Mars Lighthouse...]]
...just like the parents were.
[[WMG: Blados and Chalis are...]]
The reincarnations of Saturos and Menardi, respectively, as Tuaparang. However, they retained their memories of their past lives (save Alex, because he would have had something in place to make sure they forgot about [[strike:his true]] [[ManipulativeBastard the front he projected to be his true nature]]), and realized that the Tuaparang were utter dicks compared to the Proxians, and decided to do the world a favor, repent, and wipe those bastards off the map.
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...So that you can cover all four base elements and add in a Dark/Light adept as well.
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...So that you can cover all four base elements and add in a Dark/Light adept as well.well.
[[WMG: Matthew and Sveta are now Light Adepts]]
as signified by their glowing golden (or in Sveta's case, just glowing) eyes in the stinger. As the first two games explained, normal people can become Adepts through prolonged exposure to Psynergy directly (The Valeans and Mt. Aleph) or indirectly (Strong winds from Air's Rock carrying bits of Psy stones through Garoh), or with a large or concentrated amount in a short time (like Feizhi and the Psy stone that hit her head). When Matt and Sveta were exposed to large amounts of Light-based Psynergy from the Apollo Lens, but the exposure would have killed them if Volechek hadn't literally stepped in; as such, Matthew is now a Venus/Sol combo, and Sveta is a Sol/Jupiter combo.
[[WMG: The portion of Golden Sun Isaac received from the Mars Star at the beginning of GS is different from the Golden Sun power the party was bathed in atop the Mars Lighthouse at the end of TLA.]]
As such, Isaac has ''two'' different pieces of Golden Sun housed in his body.
[[WMG: Isaac's rough, impetuous attitude in TLA is a result of not being able to talf for the past game]]
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed, too.
[[WMG: Matthew and Sveta are now Light Adepts]]
as signified by their glowing golden (or in Sveta's case, just glowing) eyes in the stinger. As the first two games explained, normal people can become Adepts through prolonged exposure to Psynergy directly (The Valeans and Mt. Aleph) or indirectly (Strong winds from Air's Rock carrying bits of Psy stones through Garoh), or with a large or concentrated amount in a short time (like Feizhi and the Psy stone that hit her head). When Matt and Sveta were exposed to large amounts of Light-based Psynergy from the Apollo Lens, but the exposure would have killed them if Volechek hadn't literally stepped in; as such, Matthew is now a Venus/Sol combo, and Sveta is a Sol/Jupiter combo.
[[WMG: The portion of Golden Sun Isaac received from the Mars Star at the beginning of GS is different from the Golden Sun power the party was bathed in atop the Mars Lighthouse at the end of TLA.]]
As such, Isaac has ''two'' different pieces of Golden Sun housed in his body.
[[WMG: Isaac's rough, impetuous attitude in TLA is a result of not being able to talf for the past game]]
Face it, if you had to spend two months giving nothing but Yes/No answers and having everybody else put words in your mouth or answer for you, you'd be pissed, too.
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[[WMG:Proxians / Elfs are the result of crossbreding between dragons and humans]]
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[[WMG:Proxians / Elfs are the result of crossbreding crossbreeding between dragons and humans]]
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At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].
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At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, Eclipse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].god]].
[[WMG: Matthew has a sister.]]
They never said he was an only child. We only assume so because Matthew was the only one with his Father, but if Isaac and Jenna had more than one kid the other one(s) could be with Mom. If this is true, then she's probably a Fire adept.
And if the above WMG about the next game following Felix's daughter is also true than maybe the initial party will be gender inverse to the one from Dark Dawn. Female Venus Adept (party leader), Female Mars Adept, Male Jupiter Adept, and Nowell.
[[WMG: The next game will increase party size...]]
...So that you can cover all four base elements and add in a Dark/Light adept as well.
[[WMG: Matthew has a sister.]]
They never said he was an only child. We only assume so because Matthew was the only one with his Father, but if Isaac and Jenna had more than one kid the other one(s) could be with Mom. If this is true, then she's probably a Fire adept.
And if the above WMG about the next game following Felix's daughter is also true than maybe the initial party will be gender inverse to the one from Dark Dawn. Female Venus Adept (party leader), Female Mars Adept, Male Jupiter Adept, and Nowell.
[[WMG: The next game will increase party size...]]
...So that you can cover all four base elements and add in a Dark/Light adept as well.
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**** Bonus points for being the most importants dwarf planets. Ceres was the first dwarf planet to be found in the inner solar system (light) and it lead to the discovery of the rest of the asteroid belt. Pluto was the first dwarf planet to be found in the outer solar system (dark) and it led to the discovery of the rest of the Kuiper Belt. I'm expecting the developers to say SureWhyNot to this one.
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[[WMG: Isaac's "danger" is from Alex, who needs to learn [[strike:how to firebend]] achive the 6th and final element, Mars]]
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac.
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac.
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[[WMG: Isaac's "danger" is from Alex, who needs to learn [[strike:how to firebend]] achive achieve the 6th and final element, Mars]]
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part fromIsaac.Isaac and [[AGodIAm become a god]].
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from
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The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler:they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]
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The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler:they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]]]
[[WMG: Isaac's "danger" is from Alex, who needs to learn [[strike:how to firebend]] achive the 6th and final element, Mars]]
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac.
[[WMG: Isaac's "danger" is from Alex, who needs to learn [[strike:how to firebend]] achive the 6th and final element, Mars]]
At the end of TLA, Alex doesn't get the ultimate power from the Golden Sun because The Wise One did something to the fire star. The only remotely reasonable motivation for Alex activating the Eciplse, then helping to stop it, as far as I can see is to gain Light and Dark powers, on top of the Venus and Jupiter he gained from the Golden Sun. Now Alex will use the Light/Dark powers or something to gain the missing part from Isaac.
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* Don't forget Craggy Peak's WesternZodiac puzzles.
* Cultures found (or referenced in items, artwork, etc.) throughout the series: Anglo/Saxon, Native American, African, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, Norse, Carribean...I'd say this WMG is highly probable.
* Cultures found (or referenced in items, artwork, etc.) throughout the series: Anglo/Saxon, Native American, African, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, Norse, Carribean...I'd say this WMG is highly probable.
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*** Probably jossed. The series' elements get their elemental affinities from Chinese Taoism's planetary associations. If either Light or Dark has an elemental name, it'll have to be Saturn to fit in with the theme. My guess is it'll be Darkness since I have a hunch that Light will be Sol or something sun-related.
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*** That's not joshed that's just puttting it in doubt, also, Dark and Light are added afterwards and are equal, giving one a "full" planet as a name is unbalanced. Giveing both of them the names of Dwarf Planets fits their stats as new additions.
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*** Probably jossed. The series' elements get their elemental affinities from Chinese Taoism's planetary associations. If either Light or Dark has an elemental name, it'll have to be Saturn to fit in with the theme. My guess is it'll be Darkness since I have a hunch that Light will be Sol or something sun-related.
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A little remembered bit of TLA's ending is that the area around the lighthouse will be dangerous thanks to Alchemy's release, but nothing is expanded on. I doubt it will be to shut them off, perhaps to keep someone from using them somehow?
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A little remembered bit of TLA's ending is that the area around the lighthouse will be dangerous thanks to Alchemy's release, but nothing is expanded on. I doubt it will be to shut them off, perhaps to keep someone from using them somehow?somehow?
[[WMG: Arcanus is the real leader of Tuaparang]]
The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler:they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]
[[WMG: Arcanus is the real leader of Tuaparang]]
The High Empyror is at best a political puppet on a standard "TakeOverTheWorld" power trip whom [[spoiler:Alex]] is manipulating. Blados and Chalis realised this, and that's why [[spoiler:they turned on him: since Tuaparang is no longer the country they once knew.]]
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[[WMG: Element!Light will be named Ceres]]
An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for light.
An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for light.
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** An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for
*** @/{{Yuihime}} went ahead and appended this to the previous WMG, figured we didn't really need a whole new one for what was effectively an expansion/amendment.
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[[WMG: Element!Light will be named Ceres]]
An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for light.
An amendment to my above, as I realized we have another roman god named dwarf planet. Stupid me for only looking at things ''after'' Neptune''. "agriculture, grain crops, fertility and motherly relationships" seems workable for light.
